06 Sep 2016 21:30:32
Martial poor tonight and subbed off for payet. was hoping his goal the other night might have signalled a return to form. It's a real dilemma for Jose. How long does he give him to play himself into form? Or does he remove him from the firing line and give him time to rediscover his form out of the first team. Its a tough one for any manager.

{Ed041's Note - I thought he was ok, not great but far rom the worse player on the pitch mate


1.) 06 Sep 2016
06 Sep 2016 21:50:21
41 I can't recall rating him as the worst player on the pitch. Odd thing to say in reply. The whole team were poor and he was part of that.

{Ed041's Note - I was not suggesting at all you did so its not odd, I was pointing out I thought he done ok and was not the worse player on the pitch.


2.) 07 Sep 2016
07 Sep 2016 00:27:22
Ken, he's 20yrs old. Only Messi was consistently good around that age.


3.) 07 Sep 2016
07 Sep 2016 03:23:48
He has been consistently bad for quite a few games. When do we stop making excuses for players, all it takes if for Fellaini to waft and elbow and people want him sold, yet with some players they could literally take a nap on the pitch and people will back them to the hilt.

Martial has been off colour this season and pre-season, he needs replacing for a bit, maybe Depay (2nd chance), maybe Lingard (looked good recently) .


4.) 07 Sep 2016
07 Sep 2016 07:38:12
Beast its a tough one for a coach. When is the right time to drop or does he give him the chance to play through the rough patch.
We don't see training he could be superb and ripping it up and the manager could be rewarding that knowing its only a matter of time before he comes good.
But if his training performers are lime his recent on pitch performance then he probably needs taking out.
Only the coach can decide that one.


5.) 07 Sep 2016
07 Sep 2016 07:40:41
Personally I think it might be time to take him out the spotlight for a few games.

His personal life is a bit of a mess atm, and its clearly effecting him out on the pitch.

But in saying that it would depend on the mentality of the player. If playing football is the only thing that gives him some stability atm then taking that away from him could be very detrimemtal.

He looks like he needs an arm around his shoulder. Maybe someone could take the lad under their wing. Giggs might have been ideal if he was still around.


6.) 07 Sep 2016
07 Sep 2016 11:05:59
Yeah Giggs would be the go to man on the marriage problem front ok :)


7.) 07 Sep 2016
07 Sep 2016 11:23:10
Spot on Beast, I'm going to stick my head out and say Rooney! He was worse than Martial was for France IMO but the little lad will get castigated while the Golden captain can do what the hell he wishes.

& I'm not saying Martial was ok. He clearly has issues which should be addressed.


8.) 07 Sep 2016
07 Sep 2016 11:27:49
This is a problem and also a problem Rashford will have with such a good start. Martial started so well that it was always going to be impossible to continue that forever just like it will be for rashford, especially at a young age consistency is always an issue. Martial has a few games where he doesn't score (but hasn't actually been that bad) and suddenly people are suggesting we play Memphis instead who was absolutely dreadful last year.

Memphis could be a lot worse than martial and people would say he is doing well because he's better than last year. We have to be careful with kids, and it definitely is my worry for rashford and I believe the reason Jose is being so careful with him at the moment, we build these players up only to knock them down after a couple of average games.


9.) 07 Sep 2016
07 Sep 2016 11:44:34
The problems Giggs had is precisley why he would be a good person to get advice from. What advice could you get off of someone with no experience in the matter.


10.) 07 Sep 2016
07 Sep 2016 13:14:41
hes obviously got problems at home but also came back later than most due to frances euro campaign. i'm sure jose will put an arm around him and manage him how he sees as the best way to get him back to his best.


11.) 07 Sep 2016
07 Sep 2016 13:17:29
Giggs with his arm around Martial's shoulder; Anthony, kid you focus on playing football and let me handle the woman that is bothering you. I am an expert.


12.) 07 Sep 2016
07 Sep 2016 16:39:47
Exactly Shan. Lol.


13.) 07 Sep 2016
07 Sep 2016 17:47:14
I agree that it's a tricky one guys. The problem is there are 15 other players that all deserve a chance to shine or to correct their performances of last year. For instance Lingard has been very good the past few games, Rashford as well whenever played yet players are not performing ahead of them. What does that do to their confidence, why should they miss out because a worse performer at their job has a sulk?

I understand that certain players need a different style of management, but Martial is not doing it at the minute, a good manager will be able to explain this to him, rest him for a bit and ensure he comes back more "eager", that's what managers are paid to do. If Martial has a bad attitude that's Martial's problem, you can't have one rule for him, otherwise guess what everyone develops an attitude as it means they play every week!

Martial has been our worst performer this season, closely followed by Rooney imo. Zlatan isn't far behind either, yet our attacking players aren't getting replaced, I know it's early days, but if you are Miki, Lingard, Rashford and maybe even Herrera and Depay you have to start wondering when you are going to get a game. Early days, but rust sets in and if these other players keep getting 10mins or the random Euro game it will be hard for them to be judged fairly and for them to keep their heads up. If an injury does happen and they hyave had a nominal amount of game time it can mean we are hampering ourselves as well.

If everyone was performing then that would be a different issue, but several players simply haven't been.

Depay - deserves a second chance under this manager otherwise why bother keeping him, I was a massive critic last season but we can't have favourites if we are making points on general situations.


14.) 07 Sep 2016
07 Sep 2016 17:52:57
He's separated from the missus, so what, get on with it. Women come and go and it's not like he cannot find another.


15.) 07 Sep 2016
07 Sep 2016 18:42:25
players always look better when there not playing, the manager is in a good spot to see who should and shouldn't be playing.


16.) 07 Sep 2016
07 Sep 2016 19:35:48
I said previously season that Martial looked off for France. The first few matches have been no better. Drop him.


17.) 07 Sep 2016
07 Sep 2016 19:52:38
Agreed Jred - but at the same time we can point out who is not playing well, that is the thing all of us can observe and offer an opinion on - the whole point of training is to get ready to perform on stage.

It's like an actor who knows his lines inside and out but gets camera shy. You can only tell how good they are or the form they are in on the big day and ultimately several players have left a lot to be desired despite our results.

Darmian was a superstar by this point last season, so was ADM the year before. People forget this I believe, maybe Martial needs a reality check, the same one Depay has been given.

Managers are only human and they often get things wrong, otherwise there wouldn't be the turnover in jobs or the amount of transfers that don't work out etc.


18.) 07 Sep 2016
07 Sep 2016 20:12:03
i know what your saying beast but we are only 3 games into the season with new players new manager and tactics .
you have to give players a chance.
at this pojnt its still a working progress imo

depay was given a fair crack last season .
people always seem to think players on the bench would be amazing if they where on the pitch . i'm just not sure that's really the case .
depay is a talented lad but was awful last season, maybe he is ripping it up in training and really pushing for a start but martial has still been better this season than depay was at any point last season.


jose may well change a few things for city tho, and also we have a game next thursday. if depay and a few others are really on the top of there games they need to stake a claim, bit like rash is .


19.) 07 Sep 2016
07 Sep 2016 20:53:03
All good mate - don't get me wrong I think Depay is a waste of space based on last season, but new era could see different things. We have several players with something to prove, Depay, Schmidfield, Rojo and more. It's nice to see a bench full of talent for once, I just wish the manager rewarded on field performance (or punished poor performance), early days but JM tends to stick to the same players unless absolutely necessary. Let's see. Excited for Saturday although I'll miss the game unfortunately due to time difference.


20.) 07 Sep 2016
07 Sep 2016 22:26:49
It is not clear that Martials personal life is the reason for his dip in form. Also he wasn't married to her, she wanted there relationship more than him. She's the one selling story's while he's happy to be seen in another relationship with a different woman.

I just think he's burned out from last season. He played the whole season for us at a very high level. Its clear to everyone who watches, that he made a very big step up, he would never of pushed himself and probably wouldn't of performed to the level that he did if he was at Monaco. He carried us for so much of last season at such a young age, he took a lot of responsibility for a long time being our only ST who was getting goals until Rashford.

Then the Euro's, by then Martial was completely burned out. Also I don't think Dechamps utilised Martial correctly. I think if he played Martial at the correct times and in the correct position, Martial could've been deadly.

Zlatan signs, Martial loses his number. He doesn't get a rest from Jose, who has played him consistenly since he's been back at OT. Also now playing only as LW, when the majority of last season he was our ST. Jose recognises that Martial is one of our best Attackers so has called on him, BUT I think it's because Jose has utter faith in him, and that he wants to win so bad, he's risking Martial because he knows what he's capable of when Martial should've of probably been rested for the start of the season just to freshen up from last season.

For me he can be playing below par till Xmas, and I would bat an eyelid, just because I understand he's young and definitely burned out. He's never played as well as he did or worked as hard as he did when he did for us last season, scoring around 17goals. He made a big transition to the premier league. After his first season, he should've rested but he's virtually had none!


21.) 07 Sep 2016
07 Sep 2016 23:13:56
Beast,

Unless the time difference means the game isn't shown on TV then you shouldn't be missing it for the world! It's Derby day!


22.) 08 Sep 2016
08 Sep 2016 00:09:19
8 Hrs behind is a killer mate, I'll just watch it when I get up and try and avoid coming on here until then. 3-1 to us is my call.


23.) 08 Sep 2016
07 Sep 2016 19:35:48
I said previously season that Martial looked off for France. The first few matches have been no better. Drop him.


24.) 08 Sep 2016
07 Sep 2016 19:52:38
Agreed Jred - but at the same time we can point out who is not playing well, that is the thing all of us can observe and offer an opinion on - the whole point of training is to get ready to perform on stage.

It's like an actor who knows his lines inside and out but gets camera shy. You can only tell how good they are or the form they are in on the big day and ultimately several players have left a lot to be desired despite our results.

Darmian was a superstar by this point last season, so was ADM the year before. People forget this I believe, maybe Martial needs a reality check, the same one Depay has been given.

Managers are only human and they often get things wrong, otherwise there wouldn't be the turnover in jobs or the amount of transfers that don't work out etc.