20 May 2018 21:57:13
The club is at yet another cross roads. There are some huge decisions to make this summer and Woodward needs to get it very right.

Two items today, firstly toxic fans abusing our manager to the point he has to close his social media account. It is tough enough dealing with the opposition but our own, seriously? It seems too many are driven by the want it now, an overblown sense of false entitlement pervaded in the wider media world. enraged by a feeling that we should we winning playing Busby style football regardless of circumstances. You don't just see it in football. Abusing any person on that level, let alone our own manager is repugnant and disgusting. Perhaps the manager will walk away, giving some what they think is the answer, instead it can all unravel.

Secondly there are noises of dressing room discontent starting to filter out and this is where a decision needs to be made. We either support the manager or the players. Under SAF the players went, now in our overtly toxic world who knows which way the board will go. Maybe Beast will get what he wants and chaos begins. It needs a strong manager right now not a theoretical fancy coach. It's a big moment, for me five positions need resolving, 2FB, CB, CM, RW/ Attacker. We need churn, players bought, move on the ones with poor will to win, yes the ones going will be unhappy. The next few weeks will decide the next few years. We are here again, in this position and it's Woodward who is accountable. He must get it right.


1.) 20 May 2018
20 May 2018 22:20:09
Thats thw attitude of some of thw fans today. They have no patience with the managers.

Managers train you but players are the ones that are on the pitch.

Good luck to those that want rid of Mourinho once he has gone you will realise what you will miss.

As some of these players have huge attitude issues.

Manchester United fans use to be known as very sensible and knowledgeable but since we are seeing the real toxics who are still living in the past and delving on past success.

People need to wake up this is just a sport. Although i love United two bits but you shouldn't go to such extent that you will send death threats or make your manager turn his social media off.

This is totally out of order and i am very sad to be called a United fan today because of what has happened.

Absolute disgraceful! .


2.) 20 May 2018
20 May 2018 22:39:50
Good post Redman. Feels like a real watershed moment. My fear is the manager walks/ sacked and we get a new manager and in 2 years we are in the same situation. However, this time we are playing good football but not winning anything. Ed002 was right the fanbase is toxic and what’s to say these twitter idiots and plastic fans won’t turn on a Poch/ jardim because we are not winning? There is clearly a player attitude/ mindset issue at the club and if they survive and the Jose goes who is to say they won’t do it again? There are a lot of players there who do not have what it takes to play for united. I’m not Jose in but I would prefer to see him strengthen the team and finish his contract. I understand people’s view that he will cause more damage but realistically I cannot see many stand out candidates. For whatever Jose says or acts, he is the the Man Utd manager and he retains my backing until the day he walks out the club. It is hard at times on some days I want him out. But the fans turning on him after the press rip apart his character is not acceptable. We look after our own at united and for whatever digging out of players he does he is still the manager. The press is in full force right now as we lost the final so it is all feeling a bit raw and blown out of proportion imo.


3.) 20 May 2018
20 May 2018 22:53:02
Over dramatic redman many fans simply want us to be successful but enjoy watching us trying aswell, playing good entertaining football isn't a pipedream just a different tactical way of good footballers playing .
You want 2 fullbacks a CB, a cm and a right side attacker, I don't disagree but what you don't mention is under Jose we have spent a lot of money on two CBS, and two for cm already . It seems to go over people's head the two CBS have been unable to dislodge what we already had, many of us may think Bailly and lindelehoff are better than what we had but come a big game Jose didn't .


4.) 20 May 2018
20 May 2018 23:20:37
Too many of these players lack. the mentality yet here the still are. They really need to be gone this summer.


5.) 21 May 2018
21 May 2018 00:09:26
Agreed Slate.

I am certainly not a toxic and my social media activities begin and end on this site. I love and support the club and always will, but what is totally unacceptable is the regularity with which we have entered a game and simply not turned up and played football. I mean literally not fulfilling the basics of the game at this level. Every time we did something positive it was invariably cancelled out the next game.

I am not a fan of his by any stretch, but I'm not going to come out and say "sack Jose" because I do not know of a perfect alternative. There are promising, forward-thinking coaches out there but the element of risk with them is v high; can we go on the manager merry go round again? I just don't know.

What I do know I want is the team playing to win and score goals, applying themselves every game, for BOTH halves of a bloody game. So on that token this season has been abysmal, and every fan has a right to criticise and moan all they want.


6.) 21 May 2018
21 May 2018 05:29:56
Nothing like an over reaction Redman, Utd were here long before José and will be here long after José. Hasn't the chaos already started, our manager has signed numerous players for his style of football and they are simply not performing, whose fault is that? José has bought players to cover the positions that you mention, 2 of them can't displace Smalling the most criticised player at the club and presumably that's because José doesn't think they deserve to be playing. His stellar signing wanders around the pitch contributing every 5 or 6 games, the other games just pass him by.
Our current manager consistently throws players under the bus yet can't accept any criticism himself, after Sat he said he was happy with the game, well how many other Utd supporters were happy with the performance, were you?
Obviously if we had won on Sat the José serial winner posts would have appeared, justifying the boring football we have endured for the majority of the season. How many games have you actually enjoyed watching this season?
I don't buy into all this play football the Utd way, every manager has their own preferences for tactics, but what I want to see is a team that actually looks like it's trying it's hardest for 90mins and that is down to both the manager and the players. José has spent millions yet we look a worse team ending the season than we were starting the season, the players look lost with no obvious plan to the way we play. How many players, in particular Jose's signings do you think have played to their full potential, I can't think of more than a couple, isn't that the manager's responsibility?
In more than 40 years supporting Utd have you witnessed such an abject performance in a cup final, in 99 we had a magic few minutes but we were outplayed by a very good Bayern team, how well did Chelsea play Sat, in 76 we did attack Southampton not just go backwards, sideways. Most people I have spoken to have said Sat was the most boring final they can remember but José was happy with the performance.
From the start you criticised Moyes, well maybe some feel the same way about José, just because you think he's the answer doesn't necessarily mean that it's right.
Finally, I totally agree with you over the personal abuse, nobody should be subjected to the vile postings that have been made.


7.) 21 May 2018
21 May 2018 12:17:31
You can't compare Moyes and Jose. Moyes had never managed a big club. Moyes had never beaten a top 4 club. Moyes looked out of his depth from day one. Moyes had no plan.

Ok so people don't like Jose's plan. Fair enough. We've all been frustrated this season.

Cases can be made either way on Jose. I just think if he can ship out the failures and get in the players he wants then its another stride forward. If he can clear out those who aren't good enough to be at the club and instill that winning mentality, which we have lost, then that leaves us in a better position for the next guy. And hopefully he gets more suppport.


8.) 21 May 2018
21 May 2018 12:32:00
I cannot condone the behaviour of fans towards Mourinho, I want him gone, but death threats and abuse is childish and crude. Saying that, if these 'fans' are to be labelled toxic, then Mourinho should be too. His attitude is terrible and he's quick to point fingers and blame, but never looks at his own issues, it's always someone else's fault. Lose the final, it's because Chelsea parked the bus and because Lukaku couldn't play. It's becoming as tedious as his brand of football. I think there's a trickle down effect at clubs. You have sour management, it creeps into the players, into the fans, into everything the club represents. It pains me to admit that since Klopp joined Liverpool, their fans appear less bitter, more humble, as do the club and it's surroundings. That's what we need to be aiming for, under Fergie we had a feeling that there was fun to be had, there was a goodnatured spirit from management to the players to the fans and a confidence and trust throughout the club. Toxicity, whether LVG or Mourinho, breeds toxicity. Humility breeds humility. Confidence breeds confidence.


9.) 21 May 2018
21 May 2018 12:40:03
Keanoooh

Again and again I have to explain Moyes CV did not merit the United job but Jose’s CV is on another level. I said before Moyes was appointed it would be a disaster and it was.

One thing to ponder, everywhere Jose has been he has won big very quickly, yet is struggling to replicate this at United. Easy to say he is past it but I suspect it is actually more an indication that it is a far bigger mess than he has encountered before.


10.) 21 May 2018
21 May 2018 13:02:42
Yes Red Man the winning mentality had gone. Too many players who are either coasting on reputation, or slacked off because they're at United and have made it or just don't have the mentality.


11.) 21 May 2018
21 May 2018 13:29:44
Good post, Ludwig. Mourinho has us competing but you are right about the style and his lack of character, with the blaming and lack of humility.


12.) 21 May 2018
21 May 2018 16:07:37
Mort and Redman - where did I say Moyes was the answer, just because José is your choice doesn't necessarily make it right.
Too may players coasting, not got the right mental attitude, what about Jose's signings because they are comparatively bigger failings than all the Utd players that weren't good enough according to some.
Where is Pogba's mental attitude, what about Miki, sold, what about Bailly and Lindelof can't even make the team over the acclaimed useless Smalling. These are all players that José signed, are they the wrong players or are we picking the wrong team, playing the wrong tactics. Whatever it is Jose's record on signings for us is not good.


13.) 21 May 2018
21 May 2018 20:14:18
Keanoooh

Have to correct you again, Jose is not my choice as you put it. I wanted Jose after SAF but we went for the useless one, I wanted Klopp to replace Moyes but when we went for lvg I said it must be with Pep in mind to follow him. When we dithered without a plan Pep went to City and I said the only option was Mourinho but to keep an eye on Poch.

I haven’t given up on Bailly, rumour is he blotted his copybook by crying off a game last minute claiming he was ill and turned up bright and early for training next day, which rightly didn’t please the manager.

I haven’t given up on Pogba or Lindelof even if you have but some have been there long enough to judge and it’s time tough decisions are made.