23 Apr 2020 15:01:19
Further down the page a post ended up discussing whether or not Pogba will be considered a bad signing or not when he eventually leaves.

For me I feel that he hasn't yet delivered. When signed he became our record signing at 89m, with a reputation of being a top player and someone we could build our next great side around. Yet FOUR years later he has rarely put in a great performance and our side looks several years and several signings away from being a top side, while there remain huge questions about how vital to that side Pogba will be.

I ask can anyone say that Pogba being injured this season has had a bigger impact on our side than the loss of Ander Herrera last summer. Ander Herrera was as key to our side as Pogba was, yet now if he was still here would he even be first choice?

Ander Herrera while not as talented as Pogba, he had a similar impact in our team. Both are box to box midfielders and both signed within a few years of each other. While they both had a similar impact in the side.

Yet Pogba cost almost three times as much as Herrera, while he has also caused problems in the dressing room, and has caused negative publicity around the club.


1.) 23 Apr 2020
23 Apr 2020 15:45:01
Well considering we went about 4 months being unable to pass the ball through midfield, i think pogba was a huge miss this season.

The last month has really clouded peoples judgement of our season. For months our tactics for scoring a goal were one of three avenues:

1.) Counter attack
2.) Opposition mistake
3.) Pray Marcus Rashford did something out of nothing.

Pogba has his obvious weaknesses as a player which predominantly revolve around his defensive work rate but when it comes to quality on the ball he has it in abundance and in my opinion we would comfortably be in the top 4 if pogba was not injured.

As for the assessment of ander herreras time at the club, his work rate and passion displayed is clearly clouding your judgement of his ability. Average player at best which is being showcased at PSG where he has made a handful of apperances.


2.) 23 Apr 2020
23 Apr 2020 16:07:50
Saying pogba has been our worst signing is a terrible statement for me. I'd like to know his goals and assists to games ratio compared to any of our other midfielders in the past 6 years. I don't see what money has to do with it anyway, are you not happy with his performances because we paid £89 million but you would be happy with them if we paid £30 million?


3.) 23 Apr 2020
23 Apr 2020 16:37:30
Another great gem from shappy, how's that only people's finances will be affected and only 6400 will die at most if everyone gets corona prediction coming along by the way?

We definitely didn't have any creativity issues regarding goals because of pogba missing. It wasn't like until bruno came we were basically rashford and martial or bust. When one of them got injured the other was criticized for being not good enough, they never suffered from the fact that if they did not create something out of nothing the rest of team just refused to help take the scoring load off them.


4.) 23 Apr 2020
23 Apr 2020 17:51:54
Still a far better signing than sanchez.


5.) 23 Apr 2020
23 Apr 2020 18:13:58
Sanchez is definitely our worst ever signing.

Massive wages, completely past it, no fight left, and we literally can’t give him away.

At the time I think we all thought it made sense, but wow it was a bad deal. Figure we’ll be stuck paying those wages until the contract ends, I’d just try to buy off the contract and draw a hard line under it.


6.) 23 Apr 2020
23 Apr 2020 18:24:36
I also don't think we have several years and several players away from being a top team.


7.) 23 Apr 2020
23 Apr 2020 18:32:39
Shappy I don't care much for players who run around a lot but don't get goals or assists and that was Herrera comparing him to pogba is a joke. Herrera goes on the pitch with zero expectations whilst pogba is expected to carry the whole team all the time.


8.) 23 Apr 2020
23 Apr 2020 18:36:31
Pogba ain’t been great, but It could be that teams tried to mark him out of games as we never really had many other threats. Now, with Bruno, Marcus, martial, greenwood and maybe Sancho (I hope) then that can only bring better performances you’d hope.

But so far he has not delivered.


9.) 23 Apr 2020
23 Apr 2020 18:54:51
Pogba lost his head as soon as soon as Sanchez was signed. He wqs no longer the clubs highest earner and they both were trying to do things on their own.

Sanchez has still been worse then Pogba but both should leave.


10.) 23 Apr 2020
23 Apr 2020 20:49:09
If pogba wants to leave then I'd be happy to get rid but if he wants to stay, which I don't think he does, I think he'd be a hell of a player with more creativity around him such as Bruno and hopefully Sancho. You could have put Messi in our team in the last 4 years and he wouldve been crap.


11.) 23 Apr 2020
23 Apr 2020 21:02:37
Very bad signing. Even if he scored of assisted he was not convincing. A lot of money, never tried too hard, moaning, always problems with him or his manager. We can't take a good transfer fee for Pogba for a reason. Cheers.


12.) 23 Apr 2020
23 Apr 2020 21:53:12
God loves a trier Shappy. Not sure why you had to post again, thought we had dealt with this in the other thread. You feel strongly, that's ok, doesn't make you right though.


13.) 24 Apr 2020
24 Apr 2020 01:01:39
You rate a player with goals or asists. Shappy is saying Herrera had similar impact, not scored more goals. Pogba can score more goals than Liverpools midfielders, still he wouldn't even touch them, he wouldn't play in this Liverpool team, nor Citys. In the middle of the park its not only about scoring goals, its about creating a platform for the team to play better as a whole, Pogba don't do this, he holds the ball too much, doesn't closing down and he don't move enough. In midfield you must make your teamates better (look better) and this is why Herrera is more useful, he moves all time to give option to his teamates in contrast to Pogba who leaves them in difficult positions without options, works hard and play with energy and passion. that's the way forward in modern football, that's the reason Liverpool is so good, they have 3 midfielders more similar to Herrera than to Pogba. And that's the reason Bruno is so good, he has the goods of Herrera AND Pogba. I would say that he has the goods of Pogba without paying the cost, because there is a cost for every good Pogba provides, we pay the cost of holding the ball too much and destroying out attacks or shooting from bad angles or trying to make hollywood passes. For every goal he scores we pay the cost.


14.) 24 Apr 2020
24 Apr 2020 06:47:50
". of being a top player and someone we could build our next great side around. "

It's fair to say that this didn't happen. Signings to compliment his game and thus build around him didn't happen. Not defending him too much but he might have a reason to feel disgruntled. I wonder if his attitude could change given the direction the club, signings and direction appear to be heading now?


15.) 24 Apr 2020
24 Apr 2020 08:10:43
Good post by Herrera. Bruno does what Pogba can't. Both are talented but Bruno knows how to apply the talent to good effect while Pogba can't.

Dark Knight, sure Messi would do the business in this team. Bruno did it as soon as he arrived. That's because Bruno is a proper footballer wheras Pogba is an overrated ponce.


16.) 24 Apr 2020
24 Apr 2020 08:51:10
he finished our top scorer the other year, was one of the reason many reasons we won the Europa and cup with Jose.

his attitude and professionalism will have tainted his time here.


17.) 24 Apr 2020
24 Apr 2020 11:11:26
That's nonsense liverpool are good inspite of their midfield not because of it. Having vvd at the back and 3 forwards who can win you the game on the on their own is what wins it for them.
Their midfielders can be passion merchant runners like Herrera because of what's behind and in front of them pogba had poor quality behind and infront of him most of his time here.


18.) 24 Apr 2020
24 Apr 2020 12:14:38
They were by far the best team with 3 Herrera as you say. At least you get my point mnk. And all you say works both ways, put VVD just behind 3 Pogba and he will be humilated. The boy is clearly talented, he could be the best in the world, but he cares about looking good in the eye rather being good for his team, he tries only when he can produse something for highlights. And although we all see the difference a very good midfield like Bruno can make, a player that lifted all team up, you still think Pogba is a top class player.


19.) 24 Apr 2020
24 Apr 2020 13:16:17
Hererra you are going on and on about bruno, he's played 5-6 games for us until now, go back to pogba's debut season and remind your self how good he looked in that season, because you clearly seem to be suffering from a bit of memory loss.

Also pogba plays for france, I don't remember varane or umtiti being humiliated playing infront of pogba.


20.) 24 Apr 2020
24 Apr 2020 14:16:04
common sense Varane doesn't play behind Pogba (or 3 Pogba in our example) . He plays behind Kante, Matuildi and Pogba. that's a huge difference. Its just an example, ofcourse i don't want 3 Herrera or 3 Pogba, balance is the key . But the point is that by having a player like Pogba you pay the cost for every good he provides. So don't show me the stats with goals or asists. Give me a player like Herrera or Henderson instead of Pogba every day of the week. This debate reminds me something Ed001 said, Premier League is so competitive that you can't win it with a player like him when you have the whole team focusing on him . The same goes for Kane or Zlatan who scored 30 goals taking a lot of chances every match and players around him scored very little because all team played for him . My English isn't good so i hope you understand my point. Ed001 really sorry because i don't remember exactly what you said, but i think that was the point.


21.) 24 Apr 2020
24 Apr 2020 14:50:07
I think you can win things with a player like kabe in your team .
Pogba has also won plenty.


22.) 24 Apr 2020
24 Apr 2020 15:02:00
I think the point Herrera is trying to make is that Pogba is the kind of player who NEEDS certain types of players around him to carry him and do the work he SHOULD be doing himself.

It's not like Pogba doesn't have the pace, power or stamina to track back and do the off the ball work. He just doesn't have any inclination to do it.

Now I know some people will say you want defensive players defending and attacking players attacking. While there is some sense in that, Pogba is a midfielder and midfielders should be doing both.

Bruno is more of an attacking midfielder than Pogba yet has made an average of 4.5 tackles a game for us. While working hard off the ball, and Bruno hasn't got Pogba's pace or physicality.

Some players enable others to play well. While others need players to enable them to play well. Pogba is the latter while we need more of the former.


23.) 24 Apr 2020
24 Apr 2020 15:54:06
A good team has a bit of everything.


24.) 24 Apr 2020
24 Apr 2020 15:54:08
Hererra we had 2 hard working midfielders playing in a mf 2 this season in mctominay and fred, both worked hard but what was the end result until bruno signed?

Pogba has a lot of faults but your argument is a hererra or a Henderson is more valuable than he is, but utd this season proved, a talented mf >>>>>>> a hard working one otherwise we wouldn't have struggled for goals the way we did until jan.

Also pogba plays alongside 2 more defensively competent mf's, it's not just balance it's common sense, he plays in that system for france, that's the system he played at juve with pirlo and vidal, if he played for liverpool too it would be similar, it's only the utd geniuses who think putting him next to the serbian titanic in a 2 man mf is a good idea.

your statement was if pogba played infront of the liverpool defense, likes of vvd would be humiliated, are you expecting klopp to go with a revolutionary 1 man mf or something?


25.) 24 Apr 2020
24 Apr 2020 17:39:03
Shappy you say Bruno is more of an attacking midfielder yet you was banging the drum about him playing deeper in the mid 2. Which is he?


26.) 24 Apr 2020
24 Apr 2020 18:33:20
Common Sense ofcourse i didn't said that but its ok mate.


27.) 25 Apr 2020
25 Apr 2020 11:32:02
Pogba is the better player end of.