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23 Jul 2014 02:48:08
Good morning lads and laddies, full time reader odd time poster,
Been reading this site a good bit(at least 3 times daily) the last 2 months, fair play to the eds, and all frequent posters on ere.
3 weeks ago I watched the Keane/Viera, best of enemies, and just around the same time the Arturo Vidal rumors started to really come to the boil, so I watched a bit of him back, you tube etc, he is the box to box midfielder, that the majority on here seem to crave, he is all action, i.e never afraid of a tackle, good eye for a pass, and goal, but there is one difference with himself and keane, there is a touch of class. Keane was great, brilliant, fantastic, the best, but when he opened his mouth he let himself down, always had too much to say, and rarely in a good way, but anyway what I really came on to say was that Vidal deal is done, Juve accepted an offer, down to finer details of personnel terms, agent looking for hose thrown in too, also vermalen should be done and dusted this time next week, Hummels will be his cb partner, but may have to wait for this as Klopp going to try and convince him to stay.

Thanks for reading

Lorcan Holden Lorcan Holden
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Lorcan, are these your views or are you connected to the deals? Happy if these are true. however not so sure about the Hummels/Vermarlen partnership as thatcwould be 2 predominantly left sided players which never really works. I can see both coming in but a partnership of 1 plus either Jones/Smalling/Evans or a new edition of De Vries.
Obviously that gouges out the window if we do play 3 at the back!

Brad76

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23 Jul 2014 09:19:47
Can't really see that a hose will be a deal breaker but I did hear he was an avid gardener!

TOT66

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I think he ment to say his agent is looking for a couple of prostitutes thrown in.

Za_Kagawa

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22 Jul 2014 21:31:05
I wouldn't have minded us taking a gamble on Bojan, everyone knows how's talented he is, and at 23 still has a lot of time to prove it, for 3m or however much it was could have have been a gem or worst case a decent squad player.

Elroy!

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And if it didn't work out for him at United. Everybody would take it out on Van Gaal right?

9Matt2

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He looked incredible in his breakthrough season (it's odd to think that that was seven years ago now) but has gotten progressively worse with every passing year. He's still only 23 - but unfortunately I don't see him making it now. Maybe a move to a club like Stoke will do him good though?

redseven

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Sounds like Wilshire

Pardoe Pardoe

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Wilshere is a much better player than Bojan despite Bojan having more potential when he broke through. If I were to compare him with anybody it would be Jones - although again - Jones did not look anywhere near as good as Bojan at 16.

Bojan was easily as good as (if not better than) Neymar but was unfortunate to already be at a big club and didn't have the opportunities needed to develop the way he should have. I fear the same might happen to Adnan if we're not careful.

redseven

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More like Macheda.

HERBIE HERBIE

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I follow ajax as well as Utd. he was on loan there, he didn't stand out in the slightest in the Eredivisie, tbh he's really not that great. defo not Utd standard

MS85

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22 Jul 2014 20:30:08
Hi eds
With the info you gave us yesterday in mind, aside from CM and CB do you think we will look to strengthen the wide areas this summer or do you think that will happen in the next window or two? The reason I ask is I'm interested in knowing if we are still looking at Konoplianka and DiMaria.

Thanks

dean1210 dean1210

{Ed002's Note: Konoplyanka will be at West Ham if a move to the EPL happens. Di Maria remains a maybe but PSG have a package on the table that Real Madrid might find acceptable - the player certainly will. There will be a managed rebuild over three windows still - but too much too soon does not really help - as Spurs discovered last season. One wonders if Brendan Rodgers will utter the }

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Thanks ed and a very good point .

dean1210 dean1210

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Di Maria is wanting crazy money, I believe it's around or above £200k a week
I'm sorry but he's not worth that type of money
Plus if you watch him, he does tend to give the ball away ALOT.
I'd much rather get Rues

Melwing28

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Rafa Benitez did a similar thing which many people criticised him for. He too bought several average players instead of buying the more pricier quality player. Rodgers doesn't have the best past record either, he wasted millions on average players last summer, so he could be potentially wasting more significant amounts of money that Liverpool do not have. Buying players not much better than the youth they have. That could upset a few youngsters Then they all have to gel.

Sydney! Sydney!

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Thanks ed for the info I am surprised konoplyanka would want to go to West Ham after saying he wants to go to a champions league club.

It could be that Manchester United were put off by his attitude of only wanting to go to a champions league club.

Singh Singh

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With Shaw and Herrera bagged another CM and CB and we will compete at the top next season Woodward seems to be saying all the right things so hopefully we will do ok this window.
Hopefully by the end of the US tour Shaw and Herrera will be bedding in nice add two more to that and I think that will be enough until January anyway ;)

dean1210 dean1210

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22 Jul 2014 10:48:32
Ed002
You have confirmed we are about to officially bid for Vidal and that we are trying hard to secure a deal for Hummells can you confirm if the interest in Cuadrado de frij and blind has resulted in us making a bid for any of those players and if not do you expect us to make a bid for any of the 3?
Thanks for the insights as always.

ken

{Ed002's Note - I would think that Cuadrado will end up at Barcelona. De Vrij is looking like he is heading to Napoli. Blind will be expensive and may not yet be ready.}

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22 Jul 2014 16:36:28
Thanks Ed

ken

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Saw a reporter say that Di Maria wants same wages as Bale and Ronaldo maybe that's why rumours of us going for Cuadrado have arisen

Pardoe Pardoe

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22 Jul 2014 20:26:35
To be fair I wouldn't mind Ron vlaar at the back for us , surely he wouldn't be that much to but either and plays very well under van gaal

Lewis shaw

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23 Jul 2014 07:25:45
Ron Vlaar? Jesus get a life. He had an ok game in the World Cup due to having 2 other centre backs beside him! He's not good enough for united simple as that. And to Ed002 I disagree when u say Blind may not be ready? I couldn't disagree more actually

Stand-United

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22 Jul 2014 11:02:38
does Ed002 happen to know anything about a bid for Cuadrado as reported by Spains "Sport", please?

Pardoe Pardoe

{Ed002's Note - Juan Guillermo Cuadrado has been subject to the interest of Barcelona, Bayern Munich, Arsenal, Juventus and his co-owners, Fiorentina & Udinese. Manchester United, Spurs and Liverpool have had the player watched. Juventus has confirmed that they will not be following up. Barcelona were looking to replace Dani Alves with Cuadrado but due to the delay in the sale of Alves have lost out to Fiorentina who have finalised the purchase of the rights held by Udinese. That will allow them full control over the future of the player. An auction between Monaco, Manchester United, Bayern Munich and Barcelona would suit them and the clubs are all aware of this - else they will keep him another season. I understand that Bayern Munich have said they are unwilling to get involved in such a process. Barcelona has an offer on the table and they want the matter cleared up this week.}

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Thanks Ed much obliged

Pardoe Pardoe

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21 Jul 2014 23:02:32
seems reports that utd have offered 28million euro bid for hummels. can only think why reports of a bid of 16m euros made would have a player included in deal

curtr_9

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Whilst I don't know if its true the price quoted there seems far more likely than the £17m I have seen mentioned in the press! Even at £30m for arguebaly the finished article and not just potential seems a great deal to me. Especially as sideshow bob cost £50m!

fess fess

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Dortmund don't want to sell. De Vrij (and Vermaelean) much more likely.

Wallace

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Every club doesn't want to sell big players. But every club has a price for these players. Take ronaldo utd didn't want to sell him and look what happened i'm not saying we are going to pay 90m fpr hummels bit there will be a price that changes dortmunds mind over him and utx will negoitate with him.

curtr_9

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The difference with Ronaldo is that he openly wanted to leave, but agreed with SAF to stay on a year and United wouldn't stand in his way when he did leave. I am not sure Hummels has come out and said he wants to leave

RedDub

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At the end of the day the market dictates the price of a player. Its basic economics.

There are only a few teams in for Hummels and they are not prepared to spend more than £20million.

Iv said before I think Hummels is a world class player, but i'm also honest and I acknowledge what we all saw in the world cup final. The player does have a weakness.

Personally I hope we do sign him anyway. His presence in defence will not hinder us going forward in the majority of games. Against 1st class opposition, we will simply have to play a more balanced game. It won't be the end of the world.

If the Hummels price starts to climb to the 30million + mark however, I would have to question the logic of the transfer.

Mangala appears to be available for 35million. I don't think Mangala would make us a better team than Hummels, but he would allow us to play more attacking football, and that is a fact.

If you are going to come up with the money for one of these two, you might aswell purchase the player that allows you to play the most exciting football. If nothing else, it is at least a "good reason, " to pay premium prices.

For those confused as to why the reported transfer fee for Hummels is so low, - I would suggest this is the exact reason. Tier 1 teams in Europe are expected to play attacking football. They are less comfortable paying a premium for a player that limits their attacking potential.

I don't see Dortmund selling Hummels this year unless they get a 30m offer. His contract runs to 2017, so they can sell him next year at 20m if they find no takers at the moment.

Im not going to complain in the slightest if we do sign Hummels for 30m. He is a great player. I have to say however, we ought to be a little more ambitious as fans. With so much reinvestment going into the squad, there is no reason that Man Utd should not be the most exciting team in world football. We have the reputation, the size and the financial muscle to make that happen at the moment. Surely it should be a priority for us to be that team, that plays "the most" stylish football.

RedIsotope

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Hunmels has said in the past he would like to play for utd.

curtr_9

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RedIsotope, I'm not having that. How can you say Mangala who is a centre half is worth more purely for his attacking ability. We signed Ferdinand back in 2002 for 30 mil and he's not attack minded at all. In fact he's got the same qualities as Hummels, playing out of defence and his distribution. PSG have done that with D. Luiz and he's going to end up the most expensive mistake this season. Call me old fashioned but I wanna see a centre half defend.

2toms

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Redisotope I do love your long winded essays but that's about the 3rd time you've gone over Hummels 'weakness'

I personally do not think he has one. .you're talking about a World Cup winner. . named in the team of the tournament.

Is it not possible that he just had his pants pulled down by messi once or twice and let's face it, it was messi. .however bad he was at the World Cup that's what he does!

Hummels is world class, he would have no problem fitting in, in our league.
He's strong, I don't believe he's as slow as you make out, his distribution is brilliant, and he even chips in with a few goals!

Smudger_s

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2toms. I have not described Mangala as an attacking player. The point is tactical. A centre back with pace allows you to play a higher defensive line, which in turn allows teams to play attacking football.

Smudger, it wasnt just Messi in the final. All the Argentinian forwards were in on it. Argentina created so many chances in the first 60-70 mins, they only had themselves to blame in the end. I still think Germany deserved to win the tournament, but that final could have gone either way.

- Its funny, because we all had a similar discussion about Felliani last year. People went on and on about the way he dominated in midfield, about his acceleration being good - even if his stamina wasn't, about the way he had punished all the top teams.

I went to long lengths back then to explain Felliani will not be the same player if he came to United. He would not benefit from long balls at United. His lack of stamina and movement in midfield would compound the problems we already had there.

Hummels does not come with the baggage Felliani did. He has great ability that will help him compensate. Nonetheless I am seeing a similar trend here as to last year.

Felliani's ability to batter big teams at Everton, did not change the fact that United would play the ball on the floor. Nor did it change the fact that he would have less support in numbers, in Uniteds midfield. These are real facts and they turned into real consequences.

A year later what I'm saying about Fellaini seems obvious, but I assure you, people jumped on the Fellaini bandwagon more than they have now with Hummels.

Maybey we have learnt some hard lessons as United fans in recent years. I had to come to terms with Berbatov myself. I was adamant he would be the true successor to Cantona with his wonderful performances at Spurs. Alan Shearer went on and on about him having no work rate, but I was oblivious, dreaming only of the good things he could do in a United shirt.

Im happy for us to sign Hummels, but all i'm saying is that he should not carry the same value as a player who can bring our game closer to Barcelona and Real Madrid in terms of style. Not unless we have a blank chequebook and are prepared to continue this pleasant spending spree for years to come. I am a long way from having that type of condfidence in the Glazers. I suspect they will invest heavily in rebuilding United, at which point, they will close the pursestrings for 3-4 years.

I'm approaching this reinvestment period from the point of view that we ought to try be as efficient as possible, while the chance is there. I acknowledge Hummels as a good signing for £20m, and an alright signing at £25m. I won't complain if we end up signing him for £30m, but I will see it as an opportunity wasted.

RedIsotope

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RedIsotope, Fellaini is a midfielder. Hummels a central defender. How can you compare the 2 signings. You're right in what you said about Fellaini in him having no pace etc but you just can't simply say Hummels would be a mistake too. We need to replace Vidic and Rio, signing Hummels will go a long way in doing that. When you see rumours about players like Benatia, Mangala and the lad from Bilbao going for 35-40 milllion, anything around 30 million for Hummels seems fair. He was the best defender in a World Cup winning team.

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21 Jul 2014 22:47:18
Have got to pass this on, the best man at my wedding (1985 ) has a sister who married an Italian business man years ago. Turns out he has been working for the people who arrange Juventus financial deals. He has told my best mans sister that the deal for Vidal is 95% done & will have to be completed by August 5th( don't know why ) He said the fee is approx 45million euros which is about £34million. They have tried to get other clubs involved in an auction but city, PSG, Barca, Monaco, Madrid have all got to watch for financial fair play. My best man, his sister & all the family are massive Reds so have no reason to lie. Don't shoot the messenger but this is what I was told tonight, Christ I hope he is right.

MIDDLETON RED MIDDLETON RED

{Ed007's Note - Now that's a good old-fashioned rumour!}

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Wow. Just wow! This is so totally believable. /s

9Matt2

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Im hoping your on the ball with this midelton red. If we get vidal then we will have an awesome midfield that has not been in place since Keane & Scholes.

The major benefit of having a powerful midfield will be that the defence inc DDG will have time on the ball. and we will gain lots of confidence

Reddevilfan

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If it happens and a few more deals get tied there is that aura of confidence before the season has began, good times ahead I feel, obviously liverpool, chelsea and city have all strenthened, I'm hoping liverpool do a spurs like last season, but the same could be said about us, takes time to gel, time will tell. having Brand new defence will take tilme for DDG to bond with aswell

andyreps12

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Yes a proper rumour and not just someone repeating twitter, I like this rumour middleton!! its on like donkey kong

stretfordender1980

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Now we're talking! Real rumours are back, thank you Middleton Red, best rumour of the window so far.

Brendan81

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Excited about this one.

The Beast The Beast

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. all sounds very plausible until u mention Barcelona, why would they be worried about financial fair play, 2nd biggest turnover in the world last season, why would spending 46 million euro's on a player worry them. nice story, but 2 b a good liar your facts have 2 b believable. rumbled. Tonguer10

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21 Jul 2014 20:06:11
Eds have we shown any interest in isco? Seem Madrid are will sell.
Thanks in advance

Elroy!

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Hes class but he's not what what we need elroy

stretfordender1980

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Madrid have no reason to sell him

Melwing28

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Isco is going to be one of the best players on the planet. Him and Neymar . They are not going to sell him

Jrobbm

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Where is Isco going to play? He now has Ronaldo, Bale and Rodriguez in his positions they also have Jesse, who their fans love. Kroos plays mainly as a 10 too.

Rewz

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21 Jul 2014 17:46:49
We have made that imminent Vidal bid the editor was talking about apparently.

Sydney! Sydney!
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And Ed Woodward has left the tour supposedly

Pardoe Pardoe

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Lets hope its true syd

quie1989 quie1989

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Any idea how much we have offered Syd?

RedAndy94

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Yes I have heard this from others as well so i'm hoping it is true. I think Juve have already decided to accept the bid.

Vidal, Hummels and a fast winger please!

danny14

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For the chief executive to come out and say what he did on the club TV channel, he must have something big up his sleeve.

Vidal, and dare I say, Hummels, would be something else.

samthered

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No idea mate, but matey reckons it's what Juve will want after weeks of negotiation. With the Ev deal being agreed today, I guess it was just a formality that the bid will go in and it will go through. That's his opinion though.

Sydney! Sydney!

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I think Samthred has a point. Even if Ed Wdwrd means everything he said, its still risky to go on air and make such a bold statement. A bit of bad luck in negotiations and he might be sticking his neck out a little there.

He is a smart man however. You get the feeling he must know a few big names are on the way.

RedIsotope

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I hope something happens but this also happened last year when he left the your early and yet solved nothing

Melwing28

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Last year was a serious learning curve for our Ed. I am sure he will deliver this time around.

samthered

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Syd, who is matey? Do you mean the guy?

TQred

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Just a journalist TQ. I was in your neck of the woods on Saturday. Took the kids to Rainbow funhouse and went on the big wheel.

Sydney! Sydney!

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Oh yeh, where are you from then syd? I'm actually looking to move back to Manchester. Get back to city life

TQred

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I was told the bid went in on friday and he would be united player by the end of this week. Let's see how it goes.

God Created United

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21 Jul 2014 15:57:35
Evra to Juve confirmed, undisclosed fee so no Evra + cash deal for Vidal, still hopeful we will sign him though, seems to be just a matter of offering enough for him.

RedAndy94

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21 Jul 2014 16:35:59
Player plus cash deals are rare.Clubs don't like it for obvious reasons.

BornIntoIt

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So the reported fee is £1.2m, surely he is worth more than that? or are we just trying to sweeten Juve up a bit for the Vidal deal?

RedAndy94

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His legs are gone, he's on a big salary & Juve can sign him up on a free in 6 months - I'd say £1.2 is reasonable enough. Presumably this means we're pretty confident of signing someone who can cover LB (Vermaelen/Blind/?).

Prof Frink

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I would imagine that the fee is undisclosed for a reason. My personal theory is that the fee they have paid is high for Evra so that Juventus can announce the fee for Vidal as a larger figure to appease Juve fans. I think the Evra deal is just the start of signings going either way. I still think that Nani will leave us for them at some point but I would think that'd be after the Vidal deal has gone through. Once again with an undisclosed fee hiding a little bit of extra money

Bennett

{Ed002's Note - I have never read such nonsense. The fees will be declared to UEFA. If as you propose Manchester United are taking part in a fraud I would expect a transfer ban and perhaps a points deduction.}

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Ed, is that really classed as fraud? I was merely speculating that the fees all round might be a little higher on each side to make the loss of Vidal from Juve better sounding for their fans. I obviously know nothing about any of it but just like to speculate

Bennett

{Ed002's Note - Of course it is fraud and I cannot imagine that Manchester United would be so stupid.}

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20 Jul 2014 18:26:14
Hi eds, any update on Vidal. And do you think united will get Hummels.

Irish Dan

{Ed002's Note - A bid for Vidal is imminent. I suspect a deal can be done for Hummels unless Barcelona.}

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Hopefully the bid for Vidal will be the correct amount.
Also, at first I thought we didn't have a chance for hummels, but now it's getting more likely!
Let's hope we can snatch him up before barca do.

Trev the red1

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Evra just been announced at juve so let's keep our fingers crossed now

gav99

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Im getting very excited. Fingers crossed for both these deals :)

Domi B

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Edd002 with the best thing I've heard all day.

Ryan12

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Bloody Nora that's a great read.

MPez

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Apparently Ed Woodward is leaving the US Tour today for "General business reasons" so it looks like signing(s) could be happening soon

RedAndy94

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If we got Vidal and Hummels I would be in dreamland.

Fresh!

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Would be amazing to beat Barca on Hummels, my feeling is that it will be either Hummels or Blind - would love it to be both

Shasi

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22 Jul 2014 10:39:34
Nice one Ed002 certainly livened up an otherwise mundane depressing Monday.

dean1210 dean1210

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20 Jul 2014 17:10:06
Question for 002 if around, any updates regarding Vidal since conte left?

Thanks

420United

{Ed002's Note - A bid for Vidal is imminent.}

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21 Jul 2014 12:26:19
some rumours going round in some sport news companies that utd may have struck a deal with dortmund over a fee for hummels.

fee varies from company to company but don't know what to believe. Some reliable but other extreamly unreliable. many from germany tho

curtr_9

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The editor has confirmed that we are trying very hard to get a deal done for Hummels.

Other sources are saying that he wants the MU move. So it's looking very good right now.

Sydney! Sydney!

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A lot of German pres are cottoning on. We can only hope. He and de Vrij would keep us stocked up for years.

Fresh!

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I must say I'm very surprised at the players we seem close to getting.
I tried not to get my hopes too high but we seem to be going after some truly world class players .

This could be the best window ever and we probably have David Moyes to thank after last season's debacle it seems the owners are digging deep at last :):)

dean1210 dean1210

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21 Jul 2014 13:10:09
Charles Perrin is reporting that deal has been struck for Hummels at just £16 million - to be confirmed this week. How reliable is this man?

Fresh!

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21 Jul 2014 12:57:31
A few newspapers in Spain and Germany are claiming that a deal for Hummels has been agreed. I'd be more inclined to believe them if they weren't reporting the fee as €20m.

redseven

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I really want Hummels as United but I don't think we'll get him.

9Matt2

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Well, you do get the odd surprise.

Fresh!

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Wish it was true. But think the journalists are running out of players to link us with. The fee is ridiculously low for a world cup winner with 3 years left on his contract with Dortmund

AlexJames

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Maybe its 20 million and kagawa? I know rumours have linked a cash + player swap.?

mrlee1986

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£16m looks exceptional value. An inspired bit of business if Woodward pulls this off. Let's hope this starts an influx of world class players!

Simon_Ghost_Riley

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I think 20 million plus Kagawa would be too much. £40 million and Kagawa would be enough to get Reus and Hummels (assuming they could be convinced to sell both) imo.

£25m-£30m is what we should be paying for Hummels.

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21 Jul 2014 10:42:40
Ive seen a few reports today United might highjack Arsenals khadira move,
I really hope so, after all this is a world class player, not a runner up. @ half the price

Burnt Chips

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Hugely overrated and seems to just charge around the pitch like a headless chicken.

Fresh!

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If he's asking for 200k a week as per what's been mentioned, then def a no

Melwing28

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World Class? Lol

MANfromCHESTERunited MANfromCHESTERunited

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Hate it when people on here say khadia isn't good enough for us, he was a starter in the Germany midfield for a start & plays for Real Madrid, how is this guy not world class?he would walk into our midfield!

1896UTD

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20 Jul 2014 22:34:06
Stefan de vrij to be LVG 1st signing

1896UTD

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So Herrera and Shaw didn't happen then?!

Simon_Ghost_Riley

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Herrera and shaw were signed before lvg officially took charge so yes if this happens it will be lvg's first signing since taking over.

RedScotsman

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Realistically.
We need Vidal, Hummel's, di vrij, di maria
And need to sale
Anderson, Bebe, nani, to make way into the squad.
Depay to come if we manage to get rid of young also

rodio17 rodio17

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I think he will be coming in as an alternative to Hummels.

Fresh!

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19 Jul 2014 20:15:25
hi, or should I say evening edds!

quick question if I may?

a guy from barca (i know, not again) but do you guys have any info on us being interested in sergi roberto? a lot of reports on the net that we do, would he fit mufc's mould? also with a lot of spaniards being here could sway the decision?

on another note, mccarthy of everton? van gaal seems to like this one and given the ok?

could you shed any light if possible?

thanks kindly!

s_f4

{Ed002's Note - If they are Barcelona are not aware of it at this time. They say that they have spoken to one club but no offer has been made.}

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18 Jul 2014 17:30:03
ed's, is there any truth cavani coming to MU as di maria will sign for psg, and they have to sell one big player to sign him because of financial fair play?

Josip

{Ed007's Note - No.}

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Thank god for that ed. Hope your right.

pancho pancho

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His agent is trying to get him a move away as he's tired of playing second fiddle to ibra

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18 Jul 2014 09:38:14
Dortmund signed Ginter yesterday, possible replacement for Hummels?

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18 Jul 2014 07:33:22
Hey all,
Ed002 if you are about could you please tell me united won't sell Powell? they should really be giving him and Zaha a chance? thanks

daveh29

{Ed002's Note - Sell no, loan possibly.}

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. what r u talking about loan.!. how many years do u want 2 keep loaning Powell out, these players ain't good enough 2 compete with the players that City/Chelsea have. off load um pronto. Tonguer10

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18 Jul 2014 10:31:53
Guys great news, a couple o papers reporting Ashley Young is to West Ham and Villa.

Rewz

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I heard this too. 2.5M each and he plays one week for Villa then the next for West Ham. The strips are so similar Young himself might not even notice what's happened.

RWWD

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Its not like West Ham will notice the weeks he is gone either RWWD

1redarmy

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Can he play for both is that allowed? Maybe only home games

Droylsden red

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21 Jul 2014 10:39:26
we are not that lucky, and there`s no way west ham can afford his present wages, so there`s no way he will go. he will see out his contract at 125k a week

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17 Jul 2014 12:31:37
Eds, with Gundogan looking like he will return from injury next month, is there any likelyhood of an attempt to bring him in to partner Herrera?

He seems like an ideal partner, clever and a good passer who likes to sit a bit deeper than Herrera, where he could protect the back four when Herrera goes forward.

Thorne

{Ed002's Note - No.}

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17 Jul 2014 20:37:19
Said with such hope-crushing finality ;)

Oh well, thanks for the answer anyway ed.

Thorne

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17 Jul 2014 20:38:43
I was honestly hoping that our interest in Nigel "Kung fu" de Jong would be higher than it appears to be, first time poster btw guys and oddly I don't have any connections or sources at old Trafford or carrington, don't live next to rooney and I don't look after Nicky butts Nan's cats when she goes to the seaside for the weekend, so everything I say will be opinion based :)

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It would be good for us to have a pool of top class box to box midfielders to sign from. At the moment it seems we have had an interest in Enzo Perez (who I thought was very good in the world cup semi&final, ) and of course Vidal.

If we add a few more to that list, we might find prices dropping as their respective clubs realise they don't have the power to hold us to ransom. The possibility of a deal being struck increases the wider we are spread our net.

Gundogen is in that bracket and is a good target for me. U have to wander though will he be the same player with all those injuries he sustained? Its hard to say unless they let us do a medical on him before agreeing a fee.

RedIsotope

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We just signed Herrera, so I would think a more defensive option as both short term cover and long term replacement for Carrick would be more of a concern than another b2b.

Thorne

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Im not exactly sure, but I think Van Gaal's system accomodates 2 of these sorts of players. We have been trying to sign Vidal afterall, having already signed Herrera.

I think there's a deep playmaker, responsible for closing down in front of the back 4. His job is to be a defensive midfielder when out of possession, and a ball playing midfielder when in possession.
I think Herrera will fill that role.

Then there is a box to box player, who plays a very simple game. One two's always making themselves available for passes, - going up and down the pitch. De Jong was doing that role in the Netherlands team. If we get a world class player in this role, I think their responsability might be upgraded a bit. I think Vidal might have been targeted to play this role.

The third midfielder is an attacking midfielder and I think one of Rooney or Mata will play there. That was the reason we dropped out of the race for Toni Kroos if i'm not mistaken.

The Vidal speculation might have just been fiction, so I may be wrong, but I think we are still in the market for one of these box to box players.

RedIsotope

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I still wouldn't mind seeing Carvalho coming into our midfield. He looks like a very good option in front of the back 4. Reads the game well and his quick distribution would be ideal for players like Herrera and Mata. The only problem is the reported 37 mil price tag.

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Herrera isn't a defensive midfielder though. He's more like a box to box player, and he definitely likes to come forward from central midfield and get involved in attacks. He's definitely also got the energy to get up and down the pitch.

At Bilbao he mainly played as a kind of box-to-box playmaker although he's also spent periods playing further up behind the striker as a number 10, but he's not as good there.

Thorne

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Personally I'm expecting Carrick or a new defensive mid hanging back and moving the ball around, Herrera or Vidal (if we get him) as box-to-box, Mata behind the striker/s

Thorne

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I only know what a poster on here explained about 6 weeks ago with respect to LVG's tactics. You may have seen the post aswell. He followed Dutch football for many years and seemed to know a lot about Van Gaal's system, which was explained in a long post.

When we signed Herrera I assumed he looked like a box to box player too, but after watching him I noticed his 2 main strengths seemed to be creativity and an ability to win possession. Even though he played higher up, his qualities will be wasted if he plays what the post described as a "limited" box to box position, in which the player makes himself available for passes and plays short one two's in triangles. There was also a deeper central midfield position according to the post, that required a creative player to do a lot of running off the ball, and to create when in possession.

Vidal is not a creative player. He dosen't play longer passes, through passes, or dictate tempo like a Xavi/Scholes. If it is true we are interested in Vidal, he would surely have to take the "limited, " box to box position, but would probably be given some freedom to be more expansive, given his ability. I would imagine that would involve him bursting into the box to score goals, and taking long shots when there are opportunties. that's the exact role he is currently playing at Juventus. He will not play as a deep creative player if he arrives.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Herrera rotated between box to box, and deep midfield, if we are not able to sign Vidal, or the likes of Enzo Perez. If one of the 2 come in, Herrera will have to move to the deeper position, or sit on the bench. I would be surprised if we paid 30m, while expecting to sign another player that will put him on the bench.

RedIsotope

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He's not disciplined enough.

The guy shielding the back four needs to position himself to intercept or block off passes, slow the opponents play and break the rythm and momentum of attacks. Not rush around chasing balls down and closing players down to put them under pressure and force mistakes.

That's what Fletcher used to do, but he wasn't expected to protect the back 4, that was Hargreaves or Carricks job.

I do know the post you are referring to, but I don't see why the number 8 role has to be a "simple" box-to-box role, unless that's the players he has.

He's used more technical or creative players in that sort of role before. In fact I think I even remember him using Ribiery to bring the ball forward out of central midfield on occasion when he was at Bayern

Thorne

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18 Jul 2014 09:41:20
I think this is a shout to Shappy on the Van Gaal tactics.
Personally I think Carrick was lined up for the holding roll until Strootman could be brought in.whether his injury changes things I don't know?
Personally I would have a 3 of Strootman, Vidal, Harera. would put doubt on 1 or 2 of Rooney/Mata/Kagawa as I don't see them as part of an attacking 3.
That said if Van gaal adopts the 442 diamond of Liverpool then there is scope to fit them in
Interesting summer ahhead

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Your right about Strootman Brad. I think LVG rates him highly because he is a perfect fit for the holding role.

Based on the point Shappy was making, the idea is that the holding role in LVG's system is unusal.

If your a holding playmaker, u will have more industrious players in front for protection, and u will not have defensive responsabilities. Italian sides often do this. Pirlo behind De Rossi and Marchisio.

If you are a defensive midfielder, you clear things up at the back, and feed the ball simply to the attacking players.

LVG's use of the holding player is unusual because they are both the playmaker and the defensive midfielder. U can see why he favours Strootman. I expect to see Carrick in the role, because there is no other position for him, not because it suits him.

LVG wants a player like Strootman in the position, who has athletic qualities and the passing game. I believe Herrera will have been signed to play this role. His game is similar to Strootman. Physical, athletic & great passing ability.

Herrera can play box to box if needed, and Strootman has also spent much of his career as a box to box player. Herrera's best position in the system Shappy highlighted, will be the deep midfield role. Herrera is an obvious choice for that position just as Strootman is. It is also consistent with the idea that Vidal has been targeted for the other Midfield role.

RedIsotope

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I understand the system, it's more or less what I've been hoping we'd start using for the last few years.

I don't see the similarity between Herrera and strootman though. Strootman is a little slower, and has a better range of passing. Herrera is trickier, and likes to use shorter passing, flicks and one-two's as well as technical dribbling to take defenders out of the game and open space. He's also not as physically strong, although he does still yet stuck in.

Think along the lines of a less developed version of Iniesta, but who has the energy and tenacity to get stuck in defensively as well, and to get up and down the pitch like Roy Keane.

We'll have to wait and see, but if he is shoe-horned into the defensive role I will be very, very surprised, as well as dissapointed. The potential link-up of Herrera and Mata is mouth-watering.

Thorne

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Thome, please properly investigate before making comments. It dosent help people who come on the site to get a better idea about players. I incllude myself in that category. I don't make comments just to fit my personal theories. I watch the players and try to understand what their qualities are. I also read other posts like Shappy's, and take the time to understand the points they are making.

Strootman is either as fast, - and is probably faster, than Herrera. Herrera has good stamina and speed, but Strootman is a genuine athlete.

If you want to get an idea of Strootman's capacity to accelerate watch Strootman 2014 videos on youtube.

If you watch some of these videos, you'll also notice the box to box role Strootman features in. This is a player that LVG converted into his holding role player for the Netherlands, -LVG is a big fan of Strootman as we know and viewed him as a key part of his system in the Dutch national team.

Herrera is not the same type of player as Iniesta. That is fairly obvious and it is not down to a difference in quality. Iniesta is an out and out attacking midfielder. Herrera is as defensive minded, as he is attacking minded.

Herrera has changed position a lot in the Athletic team. When he plays higher up, he plays right midfield/wing, of a midfield 3. His role is not an as an attacking midfielder in this position. He services forward players, and wins possession.

It is not disimilar to Ji Sung Park in 2006-9, used as a defensive winger to counter Ronaldo's free role on the opposite wing, - or the right midfield position Gennaro Gattuso (a defensive midfielder) used to play for AC Milan.

If you still don't think Herrera can play deeper, something he actually did many times at Athletic, watch the Europa League game highlights of Herrera vs United, at Old Trafford.

Anyone can see these things by watching videos and highlights on youtube, which i'm sure we all do. Before posting comments such as "Herrera is faster than Strootman, " try to remember we are in the 21st century, and can all learn a lot about players with an internet connection.

RedIsotope

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YouTube videos aren't a great way to judge a player, they tend only to show the best moments. I expect anyone watching a YouTube highlights video of Nani would think they were looking at one of the world's very best players, but we know that's not true. I'm not judging by those, but I'm not just making stuff up to fit my opinion.

I usually watch mostly dutch and German football, in addition to EPL obviously, but ever since I got excited about Herrera (thanks partly to those misleading YouTube videos) last summer, I've tried to watch his games, because I always thought we'd go back in for him, and I've watched him a little over a dozen times this season, as well as watching older games from the season before. I haven't rewatched our games against them from Europe, but I seem to remember Javi Martinez playing the holding role, not Herrera.

I must admit I haven't watched Strootman this season, but in the Netherlands he always struck me as too slow over distances of 30 yards or more, and I worried he'd be too slow getting back and would be left behind by counter attacks if he came here (obviously not a problem if he takes Carricks role). Yes he gets moving quite quickly, that's not the same. Maybe I'm remembering him as slower than he is though, if so, my mistake.

When I mentioned Iniesta, I meant in the way he is happy receiving the ball in tight space, and having the control and technique to play or bring the ball out past his markers. Obviously Herrera is different in many ways, and yes that includes being very capable defensively (although I would dispute his being as defensively minded as he is attack minded).

I know he is capable of playing a defensive role, but he lacks discipline so he gives away too many fouls and leaves gaps by closing down too aggressively, so it's not his best position and he looks far more comfortable pressing and winning the ball higher up the pitch.

I'm not saying he can't play that role, just that it would be a waste of his attacking talent, and others could do it better.

After we payed a significant price for him, I don't want to see him wasted. Anderson was a bright attacking talent when he came to us, but after a few years of being forced into a defensive role he didn't fit he had lost his confidence, picked up too many injuries, seemed to lose interest, and started turning into the chubby party animal we have today.

I don't want the same to happen to Herrera.

Thorne

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If you watch player highlights from individual games, - that is every touch a player has in the course of a match, you will get a good idea of the type of position the player plays and what their qualities are. There are a dozen or so you can watch on Herrera.

I do not watch highlights showing goals and skills.

RedIsotope

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17 Jul 2014 15:17:47
There are rumours suggesting Varane is interested in joining MU and that we will be speaking to him soon.

Sydney! Sydney!
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Who would you prefer, Varane or Hummels? I'd say Varane for his pace.

Fresh!

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Doubt it and I hope we don't get him. Rather pay 20mill+ for Hummels than Varane.

9Matt2

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Fingers crossed Sydney. We do have to Go for World Class players, I think we should use the Adidas link to attract players. We are no doubt the biggest sports brand but we must mirror that on the pitch now also. Vidal, Varane, Hummels and Di Maria. Zaha, Januzai can be nurtured well with Van GAAL into world class players IMO :)

OHx

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I posted earlier Syd asking for peoples opinions on him but it didn't get through. I think he's awesome, would be my number 1 choice. However I see him signing a nee deal with the mob.

UnitedWeStand UnitedWeStand

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Would be nice, but it's just hard to believe.

RumourNo.1

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Hummels vs Varane.


If you had to choose 1 who would you choose?

I'd go for Hummels but wouldn't be gutted if we got Varane.

MUMBAI_BOY

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We desperately need some power and experience. The Germany-France game summed up who the beast is out of the two, where Hummels made Varane look like a little girl for the winning goal. We need that power more than pace.

Rate Varane, but out of the two it has to be Hummels.

The Beast The Beast

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Varane would probably be Woodwards best signing so far if he were to pull it off.

There was a period where he wasn't getting game time and there were some rumours, but then he started the champions league final and I thought there's probably no chance of signing him.

If real see him as their long term centre back, and he's happy in madrid, there's really no way we will be able to sign him. If he has some doubts about Ancelotti's faith in him, or Ancelotti's system, then there could be a chance I would guess.

RedIsotope

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Said it before and I'll say it again Hummels is too slow for the PL. He will be exposed iMO. Varane all day long.

UnitedWeStand UnitedWeStand

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Unitedwestand- how much have you watched him? Because the last few games in Brazil are the slowest I've ever sewn him, presumably tiredness, and the exceptionally high line didn't help as he was racing back so far and often. And honestly, I don't watch much la liga, but Varane doesn't look much faster from what I can see, and he's not as good in other areas.

Hummels is as fast as most premier league defenders. But with that high line, fast attackers would make most centrehalfs look slow.

Centrehalfs with the kind of pace Rio used to have are rare, good ones even more rare.

Either Hummels or Varane would be good though.

Thorne

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I would go for both! the two would compliment each other no end, I know there is no chance in one never mind both but if it happened that'd set the defence for the next 5 year

Stuart nic

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One of the eds last season said Chelsea were very interested in him? does that interest still remain? and where did you read he might be interested in joining Utd Sydney?

JamalSanchez JamalSanchez

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Hummels was injured as well. Varane is undoubtedly quicker in a race, but Hummels doesn't need to sprint as fast as Varane as he knows where he should be and is normally fit enough to be there - Varane doesn't yet hence his pace is more noticeable. Both would be great signings, but we need Hummels more.

The Beast The Beast

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It's just a rumour mate, but it was from a French website. It could be completely false, it could be RM using MU to try and up the price or we may have enquired? Who knows. I am not convinced we are after him and I think he's Chelsea bound personally.

Sydney! Sydney!

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I've watched him a lot mate. I like German football & he has always been on the slow side. He is definitely not as quick as most PL Cbs. If LVG employs a high defensive line, which I think he will then Hummels would struggle with balls in behind him. Varane is much quicker.

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16 Jul 2014 14:56:03
Afternoon eds!
Just wondered if we still had any interest in the young crewe lad, max clayton? Out of contract and I have read somewhere that he was training at sunderland.
Also, any interest in zaha? Do the club want to sell/loan or keep the player for the coming season? I believe under van gaal, he would either mature to fulfill his potential or lose the plot and leave haha
As always, much appreciated!

Pabawan Jnr

{Ed002's Note - (as) No. (b) The club want to sell and his agent is trying to find options.}

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Thanks ed! Always great to get an answer

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16 Jul 2014 19:03:29
Enquiry for Nani from Milan.

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16 Jul 2014 17:10:33
Heard very strong rumours that our officials will hold talks with Roma officials when the teams play whilst in America regarding The Keving Strootman transfer.

Sheff

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Apparently he is back in training. Could be lined up for a late summer move?

Fresh!

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If not summer then very probably January

Sheff

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17 Jul 2014 11:40:24
Fair enough, and yes, against players who combine really scary speed with control and skill, he would be exposed.

But the premier league doesn't have a lot of players like that any more. Bale and Ronaldo are in Spain now, and most of the really super-fast players left here don't have that kind of skill. most of them also play wide, so they would be the fullbacks problem primarily.

Sure Sanchez is bringing a bit of that speed and skill combo to arsenal, but only a couple of others here have it, so I don't see it as a huge problem.

Hummels may not be the fastest centrehalf around, but he's not usually that slow, tiredness and a ridiculously high line were part of the problem for him against Argentina.

More importantly, I don't see any centrehalfs even close to his level, who are significantly faster, being available.

Thorne

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Thome, I do agree Hummels would be a good signing. Its true the game against Argentina, high line + the opposition, is not something he will have to deal with week in week out. I think it needs to be acknowledged though that there is a potential weakness there, and it has a higher chance of being exposed in the premier league, especially in a team that has aspirations to attack in big games.

Firsly, I think there are a lot of explosive forwards in the premier league. Aguero, Sturridge, Sanchez. Even mid table teams have players with pace and skill up front. Loic Remy, Lukaku, Benteke, Bony.

Its not just the centre forwards either. A lot of teams are playing three attacking midfielders behind the striker. U don't see that as much in the Bundesliga, but it certainly makes the exploitation of space a greater threat for centre backs to deal with. There are a lot of pacey/skillful players in these areas too. Ramsey, Strerling, Toure, Townsend, Willain, Oscar, Hazard types. Mid table teams also have good players in these departments. Ben Arfa's, Mirallas's.

The question for me has to be at what price is Hummels available? I would pay up to 20m for him, considering we may have to restrain the way we play in certain games, to accomodate his qualities. For other sides who play a deeper line, and more defensively, perhaps Mourinho's Chelsea for example, I would have to say he is worth 30m. Personally I get the feeling Dortmund will start listening to offers of around 30m (?.)

I thought Andyreps made a good suggestion in Shawcross. If we could sign a Shawcross for 7m, you have a player that is experienced and can perform a decent job in the first team, even if he won't blow us away with his brilliance. If he could do something similar to what Gary Cahill has done at Chelsea, we would then have some time and the resources to wait for a marque centre back, - that suits the system we want to play. We can use the huge reinvestment funds we presently have (- that we might not see again by the way, depending on the glazers long term outlook, ) to sign players that best suit an attacking system.

I want to see players that give us the ability to be successful, but also, to play as a team worth watching. With the funds we seem to have at the moment, and our reputation still intact, we have the ability to do that right now. We shouldn't waste this opportunity.

RedIsotope

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16 Jul 2014 12:56:22
believe Barcelona will target Vertonghen as they (Barcelona) believe MU are ahead of them in the race to sign Hummels.

Sydney! Sydney!
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Lets hope so syd :)

Domi B

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16 Jul 2014 13:57:37
Yeah I saw that on Twitter as well.

Ports

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16 Jul 2014 14:00:03
Or dortumund simply don't want to sell him this window. And braca has to address their defensive crisis this window in someway.?
They could buy/try him next window.
They can buy anyone with any price tag unlike united at any point of time. Ref prices of neymar. Suarez.
How does this sound Syd?

rodio17 rodio17

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Rodio, I think we will try very hard for Hummels once this Vidal mess is cleared up one way or another. Hummels is open to the move if certain sources are to be believed. The issue is convincing BvB to sell and this summer we have plenty of cash to do just that. Fingers crossed.

Sydney! Sydney!

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Agree . but united is not the club which make statement signings by splashing out big amount cash on single player.
While barca do it every window.
So if it comes between us and barca. They have more pulling power

rodio17 rodio17

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But have less money.

Sydney! Sydney!

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He didn't have much of a game against Argentina. Obviously a top centre back, and his performance in the world cup was good, but Rio and Alan Hansen had a point when they said Hummels was being stripped for pace throughout the first half of the final.

Not sure i'm so eager to see Hummels come in above the likes of Mangala, who for me has a complete game.

Im not saying we shouldn't sign Hummels, but a player's deficiencies get found out much faster in the premier league than they do in the bundesliga. Real madrid signed Mertesacker thinking he was the epitomy of german defending, but the lack of pace and mobility soon became apparant when pitted against explosive, world class forwards in la liga. The same has been true for Mertesacker at Arsenal, who has played well 80% of the time, but made very costly errors when outnumbered in defence.

If we cannot find a big name centre back, we should do what we did with herrera and shaw. Invest in talented players, ready to make the step up. They don't even have to be young. Gary Cahill went to Chelsea and became a very good player there, even if he is not in the top 10 defenders in the world. I would rather sign someone decent with all round qualities, and wait for the right centre back to become available, than sign a potentially world class player straight away, that has some kind of flaw, - like a Mertesacker or god forbid, a David Luiz.

Given the market at the moment, the centre back position ironically might prove to be Ed Woodward's biggest challenge of the summer. let's hope his good form continues.

RedIsotope

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Don't splash a big amount on a single player? Is £30m for an 18 year old left back not exactly that.

Ozwald

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Excellent point redlsotope

stretfordender1980

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Red Isotope when did Mertesacker play for real?

Walrus

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He didn't Walrus in fact I don't believe he ever played in la liga. He also called David Luiz a potential world class player lolz.

JamalSanchez JamalSanchez

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He is getting mixed up with metzelder lol

KillahVirusOfHollowVisions

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He's also missing the fact that the Bundesliga is faster paced than la liga, and more similar to the epl.

Pace is more of an issue in the Bundesliga and EPL than in la Liga.

If any league can prepare players for the EPL it's Germany.

Thorne

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Yes sorry. i'm talking about Metzelder at Real, Mertesacker at Arsenal. In fairness you could argue that Metzelder's lack of pace was due to injuries, but the result is the same.
We could look at the last 2 years of our own defensive partnership, Ferdinand and Vidic, and find the same problem. Despite the level they performed to for years, both suffered injuries in their early thirties and went into physical decline in the last 2-3 years. They did the majority of their defensive duties to a very high standard, but there was a weakness in their game and it proved costly against the likes of Aguero and Bale if I remember correctly.

David Luiz is not a world class player, or close. I think it was fairly straightforward that I was refering to him as a player to avoid(?) Chelsea paid 25m for him as a young player, because he was *potentially world class.

The point i'm trying to make is that there are players with a lot of ability, that still have flaws in their game. Those flaws sometimes go unnoticed because of the standard they are playing at, or due to the tactical setups they are playing in. For me these types are higher risk, than players with more rounded games.

Whether the flaw is physical, (mertesacker, metzelder, - ferdinand/vidic in later years, ) mental (e.g. david luiz!, ) or even technical ( - antonio valenica/cuardado?) I would be careful paying a hefty fee for that type of player. I think its something we discovered with Berbatov come to think about it, and it should have been a good lesson.

To get full value out of players with flaws, I think you need to tactically adapt to their strengths and weaknessess. It is a difficult thing to do at a club like United where there are many great players. Tottenham could build their team around Berbatov who was by far and away the star of the team. At united, he needed to adapt to being one of the great players, and his role changed because of that. He needed to offer as much off the ball as he could on it, - which is where things went wrong unfortunately.

I may be wrong about Hummels, but after 4 years of watching a more conservative Manchester United, I want to see us sign players that give the team the ability to push players forward in numbers. That means having the combination of technical qualities, and the physical abilities needed to run up and down the pitch for 90mins. I still think the midfield engine room of 94, keane, ince, giggs and kanchelskis produce by far the best football of the Ferguson era. Those players all had a great balance between their technical ability and physical contribution. - United have always been a cavalier side. I would love to see us return to a style that better represents us.

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Red Isotope, I don't quite understand what most of that has to do with Hummels, are you suggesting that he isn't a complete defender just because of a slight lack of pace which he got shown up for on few occasions, he was phenomenal defensively for all of the world cup. Equally if you've watched him in the bundesliga which is a high energy league he dominates and quite often creates chances by recovering possession and bringing the ball forward similar to what Kompany does for City.

I personally believe we should be doing everything humanly possible to bring him to Old Trafford, he's for me one of the top 3 defenders in the world, proven in the bundesliga, the UCL and he's just won the world cup! as for Mangala, I'm not quite convinced it's worth paying 30 million for a defender from the Primera Liga.

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I personally think the Bundesliga is a slow pace compared to the epl, how do you think man united last season beat Bayer Leverkusen 0-5 with giggs playing for 90 minutes, should sign ryan shawcross if you ask me, good physical defender, scores goals, wins headers and used of the epl. but it won't happen instead we will pay over the odds for someone

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I started by saying I do indeed think Hummels is a top centre back. But up to a certain point so is the likes of Mertesacker & co. - until they are in situations they are unable to deal with physically.

I have watched Hummels a few times in Champions league games, and then through this world cup. Not so much in the Bundesliga. I am indeed judging him on the game against Argentina. Admitedly I may be wrong since the game might be a one off, (maybey he was tired because of the accumulation of games, maybey he didn't sleep well etc.) but I think there were some telling signs. The pundits made a good point about him. If you watched the bbc coverage, at half time both Ferdinand and Hansen highlighted him for a number of minutes, detailing the way Argentina's attacks were created through the exploitation of Hummels lack of pace in a German high line of defence. The Argentina game was the first time in the world cup that Germany's system was really tested by a collection of world class forwards. Personally i'd like to see United play a high line of defence.

I acknowledge the point about the Bundesliga being a physical league, but its not only about attackers with pace. A player that can run with the ball, and at the same time retain its control, + perform feints & skill at high speed, is a different proposition from the likes of Atouba Kone's, or Jason Roberts of this world, - examples of high speed/powerful, - relegation standard players, that are found in frequency in the Bundnesliga, outside the top 4. A top centre back can deal with that kind of player, but may still be exposed by higher quality players with pace.

If united want to be able to attack in big games, we need to think about these types of situations. Since we are finally beginning to reinvest, - and are doing so heavily, it seems to me we have the option at this moment of assembling a squad capable of playing very attacking football. Its good for the owners, because they will empower their brand, and of course it will be great for us as fans. I don't see any reason to do anything else really. I think the glazers have already realised it and want lvg to play attacking football. We have seen the signings of Herrera and Shaw, who offer as much physically as they do technically, and I hope to see more of that. Players that can allow us to push up and play a high line, and players that will bomb up and down the pitch making runs, creating options and space in the final third.

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15 Jul 2014 22:27:05
Apparantley we had made an improved offer for vidal which is why conte left

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16 Jul 2014 01:39:00
Any news on a potential move for Blind? Looked a great utility player at the World Cup and could provide LB and CB cover as well as playing his holding midfield role.

Jjsmanu1

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According to Blind's agent, he's staying at Ajax

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16 Jul 2014 12:45:21
i am a sheffield united fan but I have heard that you will be signing vidal very soon!

nickmorrty1

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There must be something going on with Juventus. First the evra move, now a resignation out the blue - of a successful manager.

There has also been a sort of media silence in the last few days (at least in the newspapers, not so much on twitter!) which I find often happens when united start to close in on players. I think we use our connections with journalists and papers, perhaps giving exclusives and favours to those that co-operate with us, to try and silence the media when we get close to a deal.
Late interest from other clubs can cost a lot in terms of negotiating down wage demands, and worst case senario, a psg or man city might enter the fray and bid something ridiculous, as with lucas moura.

If this is at all right we may be presently thrashing out details and hoping to get the transfer sealed asap. let's hope conte's resignation has not alerted too many other clubs and we are able to get the deal completed.

RedIsotope

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Do you not think it is possible that Conte may have been offered the itallian managers job and this is why he has stepped down I hope I am wrong and Vidal is united bound but I am not so sure that just because conte has stepped down it means we are going to sign vidal it could mean pogba is ready to be sold to chelskie.

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15 Jul 2014 21:03:40
Apparently we have submitted either an improved offer or an acceptable offer for Vidal in the last few hours resulting in conte resigning.

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Hopefully it doesn't drag on too long more, we need some pedigree in midfield asap

Roy Keane 16 Roy Keane 16

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Got headache with this Vidal story. we have him . we don't have him. juve want to sell. juve don't want to sell. think conte is next Italy manager that's why he left. I'd give Vidal saga another week, then start putting deals in place for alternatives. , nice to see van gaal at MUFC at last, but concerned he ain't had much of a break. looking forward to his reign, let's hope he has a few surprising new players up his sleeves. here, s hoping the glaziers hold up their promise of a bumper transfer kitty. cheers

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