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11 Nov 2018 22:21:58
Think the writing is on the wall for Jose though, finish in the top four golden hand shake and on to the next candidate, whoever that might be! The gulf is widening and we are slipping. There is a young team in there we just the right man and a few additions to make us click. Rashford, martial, lingard, Shaw, Bailey, lindelof, dialot lukaku and pogba even de gea is young for a keeper.

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11 Nov 2018 23:27:45
I'd say it's a lot more nuanced than that. There are a lot of factors as to why we can't compete with top teams, and the manager is just one of them.

Crucially, I think the board will stick with Mourinho, as it was or had even come to a point that the players feel they can outlast the manager. He will never have enough authority abd respect if that is the case. I think that's why they renewed his contract: to let the players know they couldn't just force out another manager that was asking them to make more of an effort and learn new things.

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12 Nov 2018 06:59:24
Redcon

I wish it was that simple but I fear like many, you are missing the bigger picture. Mourinho may not be many people’s cup of tea but he is a proven winner, when supported by his board. In that regard, we don’t appear a United club at the moment, the aims and objectives from owners down do not seem unified with one aim, to put the worlds best team on the pitch. The anti United press are loving it and stirring problems at every opportunity. Change the manager will not solve all our problems. Take a look at Monaco, nice shiny new name and look how it has gone. United need to take the punishment of failing to invest over many years and start the Re-structure in summer. Before bleating about how much Jose has spent have a look at long term spending, over the last 11 years, Ronaldo replaced by Wigan’s winger.

I can tell you from experience the first question on any Re-structure change plan must be to the owners asking what they want and design from there. Problem is the main objective may not be to be at the pinnacle of world football.

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12 Nov 2018 10:21:01
Failure to invest!? Haha, hilarious. Are you seriously suggesting that you's haven't invested in your team? Think almost any other club (except perhaps City) would love be able to spend the money you's have.

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12 Nov 2018 13:15:46
We have spent an obscene amount of money the pathetic excuses for Jose are ridiculous coming from deluded fans .
In his 3rd year at the club after having one of the biggest transfer spend in Europe Jose is taking this team backwards .
Never mind city or Liverpool forget about them we are no better Bournemouth or Watford. In fact we play worse football .
We don't know how to defend as a team
Our tactics are regressive and out of date .
Our players are out of form many wanting to leave .
Our style is awful
We don't know out best team
It's a bit of a shambles any other top club would get rid of there manager in this situation .

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{Ed025's Note - you dont pull any punches do you jred?..

12 Nov 2018 13:16:41
Red Man, The club may have failed to invest between 2009-2015, But since then the club have thrown over 100m a summer at the squad.

However, it has been poorly invested. You talk about rebuilding the squad. How do you envision that going if all our targets are 29 years old?

Mourinho doesn't want to be at the club for the long haul, he isn't invested in our club. He won't buy a house or move his family to Manchester. He is only interested in players who will win things here and now and has no interest in rebuilding the club, just adding a few more trophies to his haul so he can throw it at some journalist in a press conference.

Him and the club clearly disagreed on which players the club should sign in the summer. It is disharmony, however that is a two way street.

The club needs to feel they are getting value for money when purchasing a player for a large fee. Spending 50m+ on a player who might only provide two years of top level service before declining on a high wage and the club being unable to shift them is not in the clubs best interests. In either the medium or long term.

However, it might be a good idea in the short term, which is all Mourinho is interested in.

That is why Mourinho was a poor choice for a club that needed time as much as money being spent on it.

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{Ed025's Note - harsh but some fair points there shappy..

12 Nov 2018 13:47:37
Or better still . Let our attacking players attack and let the defenders worry about defending. Rashford is not a wingback nor is martial. we have the players they just need to be played in positions their good at.

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10 Nov 2018 23:28:45
Question for the eds do you expect any signings in January?

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{Ed001's Note - yes, no one got their work done in the summer, so the January window is likely to be busier all over than usual.}

07 Nov 2018 23:27:42
Amazing result considering we played 4-1-3 formation for most of the match. Amazing tactical move by Jose to leave Matic and Pogba on the pitch but to tell them to offer absolutely nothing. Herrera though by comparison was superb.

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08 Nov 2018 09:31:29
There really is 0 way of pleasing some people. Juventus hadn't lost at home prior to last night in 12 matches (all comp) . They have also reached the CL final in 2 out of the past 4 years. In a response to a recent post of my own, it was suggested that I was overly optimistic regarding the current side we have but I fail to see how anyone can be anything but delighted with the sides performance following the result last night. The reason Herrera stood out for you is because of the job Matic and Pogba did in front of him. If you can't be anything but positive after a result like that, I wonder if you ever can be. Personally, I am delighted with continued improvement the side is making under JM and I think we'll beat City at the weekend. Try and cheer up, mate.

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08 Nov 2018 17:56:41
@King. When did I say I wasn't pleased? I have no idea why you make such sweeping and unfair judgements over one simple, tongue in cheek, yet fairly accurate post. No sense.

But that is not as ridiculous as to suggest that Matic and Pogba made Herrera’s role easier. What!?! £90m on Pogba, World Cup winning, goal scoring, assist making saviour returning to the club. He actually provided nothing but a threat to our own defence, not just last night but since joining United, by constantly losing possession in front of our back four. He showboats constantly in the wrong parts of the pitch and places us under unnecessary pressure. Even Juventus players have acknowledged his regression.

My point was United won despite Pogba. This is very often the case.

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08 Nov 2018 18:16:26
Hi Timbo,
Hardly tongue in cheek and I fully disagree with your second post. Keep your pecker up though, not as doom and gloom as you make it!

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{Ed002's Note - Pecker? Tongue in cheek? This isn't a dating site.}

08 Nov 2018 18:19:49
Brilliant, Ed. It was starting to feel that way.

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08 Nov 2018 21:37:49
I didn't see the match but it seems like we dominated the match and juve were lucky to get the first goal. And we could have easily put 4 or 5 goals past them.

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{Ed025's Note - your right...you didn,t see the game..

09 Nov 2018 03:04:48
I think we did pretty well considering how far ahead of us Juventus are in team building. One of our better performances to keep them quiet. But Pogba did mess up a lot.

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10 Nov 2018 11:45:54
I thought we were poor but got the result.

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10 Nov 2018 20:28:54
I thought we have a few chances away, to be expected at juve against a team that is arguably the best in Europe, but played quite well, particularly in first 30 mins and last 20.

I don't think we were poor at all. Rode our luck at times alright but overall it was quite a good away performance considering the opposition.

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07 Nov 2018 18:19:33
Can any Ed's give any information on if we are genuinely interested in Hirving Lozano. I've tried the search but found nothing. He is a player I highly rate, very talented and with a great work rate.

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{Ed002's Note - Hirving Lozano was well down the list of LWs that Manchester United saw as a potential Martial replacement last summer. I am surprised you found nothing by searching.}

07 Nov 2018 20:48:46
That's how far down the list he was ed.

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08 Nov 2018 13:43:59
Do United still have any long term interest in Ryan Sessengon for Fulham. Heard he reluctant to move up north though and wants to stay in the London area.

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{Ed002's Note - No that seems to have drifted away.}

08 Nov 2018 16:59:41
Thanks Ed002 as always.

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01 Nov 2018 21:36:19
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02 Nov 2018 15:05:33
Don't worry Shaps, I got your back.

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02 Nov 2018 16:43:52
And watch yours james😁.

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{Ed002's Note - I'll have a large gin and tonic please.}

02 Nov 2018 17:28:15
I think there might be more United fans on our team. So I guess the site will have to be on our side. lol.

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01 Nov 2018 20:31:03
Is there any chance martial and de gea could stay ed002 or are they definitely going to leave? the club really is a complete mess at the minute. supposedly looking to gring a cb and forward in this january do you know if this is true? thanks as akways ed002.

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{Ed002's Note - Certainly, if MU invoke the one year extensions or if the agree new contracts. Putting aside the timing, there is interest in bringing in players - a centre back is top of the list without doubt. Others will have to be balanced with those leaving. So if Pogba and Sanchez were to leave then a CM and F would be of interest.}

01 Nov 2018 21:59:22
Who is the real issue at the club?
Is it JM or the board?

I don't understand why it's so so bad.

Some one save our beloved club!

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01 Nov 2018 23:33:54
Thank you very much for such a swift reply much appreciated ed002.interesting you mentioned sanchez. are the club looking to m9ve him on?

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{Ed002's Note - Yes, his agent is offering him around.}

03 Nov 2018 00:02:23
Is there any interest so far in sanchez?

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{Ed002's Note - The push is for PSG to take him as a replacement for Neymar or Mbappe.}

04 Nov 2018 00:59:39
I'd swap him for Mbappe 🤣.

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31 Oct 2018 09:00:52
Are the contracts of Darmian, Herrera, Jones, Mata, Rojo, Romero, Smalling and Young coming to an end by this season? Of course, club has the option to extend Darmian's contract by another year. Do you guys feel that any of the contracts needs to be extended? I feel that Mata, Herrera and Romero can be handed a contract. I would not extend / invoke the one year extend of Darmian just to ensure that he gets the play the game somewhere, rather than warming our bench. Of the rest, I would not hand them any contract. That should free some wages too.

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31 Oct 2018 10:05:38
Mata, Herrera stay, rest can leave. would give Mata a year-one rolling contract tbf.

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31 Oct 2018 11:22:34
I think Romero signed a new contract recently.

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31 Oct 2018 11:23:39
Keep Mata, Herrera Romero, Martial and de Gea but rest can go. Its lot of bodies to replace though. Would have to be a few stepping up from the academy.

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31 Oct 2018 15:30:50
I think it would make no difference whatsoever to the quality of our squad if Tuanzebe replaced Jones/ Rojo and Fosu-Mensah replaced Darmian. Would save lots of wages and there’s no need to pay a fee to replace them. Pereira could be Number 2 and let Romero go too and it wouldn’t bother me.

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26 Oct 2018 11:31:39
so martial apprently rejects a contract renewal why is anyones guess,


but if dave the save goes for a free we are screwed.

obviously its just rumours but we have to sign him up ASAP.

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26 Oct 2018 15:21:40
I have a good guess why. Because since signing for Utd his career has gone backwards, he has been messed around, plays well one week dropped the next. See's players playing worse than him picked because of their name and simply has had enough.

He has played the past few games, how about his treatment the past few years?

Yes he has been a passenger quite often, but who hasn't been in an attacking sense (or any sense for that matter)? Martial has it all, apart from a look of desire on his face when he plays and he can be wasteful in possession (more to do with others not being up to it) . But Sanchez played week in week out, Lukaku plays week in week out and have been far inferior overall. Rashford isn't fit to lace his boots but if the manager had to pick between them he would pick Rashford every time.

Martial has been wasted, he is not half the player he could be and if he signs a contract with Jose in charge he is a mug. Shame as I want our best players to stay, but that is why he hasn't signed yet imo.

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26 Oct 2018 17:20:53
Martial wants out Sanchez does pogba does ddg does .
What's going on?

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26 Oct 2018 22:22:01
jred
The brutal truth, I fear, is they are not queuing up to leave the club so much as to leave the manager. I think I would do the same if I were in their shoes.

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28 Oct 2018 09:46:36
A player leaves and we are quote “screwed”!

No player or manager for that matter is above the club or too important to the club. We all want DDG to stay but if he doesn’t the club will replace him. Apart from DDG we have generally too many inconsistent players who seem flakey and want things all their own way. For years since SAF left we have lacked leadership on and off the pitch meaning players think they can get away with stuff. It needs addressing, clarity on who is in charge, the players or the manager. Take the not turning up for sponsors situation, it just highlights what a spoilt bunch they are.

Right now we need a firm hand at the helm, whoever is manager. I don’t believe we should change manager right now, but if we did do you really think the players will be allowed to carry on as they are? A strong manager would kick some out and they might be the ones who fanboys like, cue more weeping and vitriol. Players can behave like this when they think the manager is not on strong ground, they would probably play for a new manager for 12 to 18 months until something happened they didn’t like and it all starts again, we would then be like Chelsea.

If certain players are queuing up to leave, the club needs to be firm with them, manage them, get rid as needed, a player can never be bigger than the club, even the king was put on the transfer list by Busby.

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{Ed025's Note - some good points there red man..

29 Oct 2018 10:44:31
red man the fact that dave has saved us at least 15 points per season for the last 5 years tells me how important it is to keep him.

how many keepers did we go through when the big dane left.

you could argue if we had a stong defense/ team but we haven't and we rely on him in nearly every match to save our bacon.

the chelsea game is prime example, pulls of a class save to deny luiz but our lack of marking and desire aloud Barkley to level it.

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29 Oct 2018 15:08:30
He didn't save from Luiz did he? It came off the post i think, bolger. But yes, i agree with your point totally that we should try and keep him but if he decides to move on, i am sure there are other good fish in the pond. Its imperative that we find a suitable replacement.

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29 Oct 2018 16:21:38
yes you are right, he saved the follow up shot that hit the post.

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31 Oct 2018 10:26:01
Every team with title aspirations needs a top goalie. And they're certainly not ten a penny. Dave is the best there is. It could take years to replace him, just as it did Schmeichel. I wouldn't be so blase as to think we could replace him just like that.

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02 Nov 2018 01:11:55
Neutral observer her but i'd tend to agree with RedMan - which is prob going to mean half of you will automatically disagree with him :-) But look how Shaw has improved since Mourinho gave him a kick up the backside. From the outside looking in, i'd say you have too many players who aren't hungry for success. Milner isn't the best player floating around but i'd take him over quite a few of your midfielders atm. Which is not to say Mourinho is blameless.

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03 Nov 2018 16:01:55
An outsider. In as much as players power is not ideal for any club, Mourinho has a big portion in the problem at United. As a Chelsea fan it's not new to us as he always divide opinion even in the dressing rooms, set the players up against himself and then turn around to play the victim.
That said, Man United have so many quality players to be struggling this season, afterall the same set of players were the closest to City last season. The worst and the likely scenario is selling very talented players that would come back to hurt United. When United win it's Mourinho but when the results are not going well then he barbs his players openly. Naturally player will get agitated.
He's not the kind of manager that United need at this time IMO.

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25 Oct 2018 20:53:25
Glazers reported as being concerned about clubs global image.
Jose apparently told to "zip it" in interviews. Not criticising players and dividing fan base.
If true, how long can he keep it up?

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26 Oct 2018 10:16:27
Should a manager be publicly undermining his employer?

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26 Oct 2018 11:28:23
The real question is should an employer be publicly undermined by the manager?

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26 Oct 2018 14:37:17
There are a number of questions. But after reading the source ed001 recommended on United’s finances, my main question is can United, under any manager, get to level that they can compete with City when the owners are focused on securing sponsorship deals to service their debts?

Just because Jose is trying to deflect attention away from his failings doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a point.

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26 Oct 2018 15:25:24
Danny have you seen how much he has spent? What players have kicked on under his guidance?

Jose is looking for excuses, Roman had enough of it and so should our owners. I'm not a fan of the way the club had changed, but ultimately we are not progressing anywhere near as much as we should be under his stewardship - look at what Newcastle, Burnley etc do with a pittance to spend. He has some of the worlds best players and can;t get anything from them, spent hundreds of million and it may as well have been chucked in the bin.

No the buck stops with Jose for me, owners shouldn't be throwing more good money after bad - but they should be decisive, no middle ground here. Either give him MORE money to waste or cut him loose.

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26 Oct 2018 16:15:40
I think you need to separate your dislike for Jose from the broader issues at the club. Personally, I would not have extended Jose’s contract, and made sure that this year was spent identifying and securing a top quality replacement.

However, the analysis of our finances highlights how the increased revenue generated over the last few season has, primarily, been used to service the owner’s debts. The club’s focus has been on securing off field deals, and this obviously has a knock on effect for our on field performances. The point is that club is a long way behind City and other top European sides. Regardless of who is at the helm, it is very difficult to close the gap unless the owners change their priorities.

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26 Oct 2018 17:30:29
The owners seem to give the managers free rein, that is one thing I like about them.

Too many people use the inner machinations of the club to explain away our dire performances on the pitch. Jose has players to train, world class players, he is not being told what to do on the pitch or off it (aside from shut up it seems) . So not sure how that is an excuse for what we see every game.

If its not spending money then that is a BS excuse. He has had more than almost any manager ever. Name me a manager that doesn't want more to spend?

I don't like the way the club play nor how Jose carries himself most of the time. He thinks he is bigger than the club and has little regard for his players (most of them) or the fans. We are a laughing stock, we are boring to watch and the owners whilst not ideal certainly could be a lot worse and have frankly backed him enough.

Most clubs carry debt, he has had plenty of funds and wastes it on players he doesn't play.

I said at the time it was a travesty giving this man a new contract as well. There are more heads that need to roll, but Jose's is the first if we want to get back to where we should be any time soon.

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27 Oct 2018 14:17:11
And in two years when were struggling with the manager complaining about lack of investment will you wake up or burn more vitriol calling for another sacking. Then repeat two years later. Then two years later.

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28 Oct 2018 08:53:19
Really don’t see how anyone could say Jose hasn’t had enough time or money to not be in the position we find ourself.

The fact he could have had more were United not servicing such debt levels is completely irrelevant to that fact. If we’re suggesting spending power correlates to league position United should only be second to City by a few points.

The fact we’re not by so much can only have Jose to blame.

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28 Oct 2018 10:00:23
Interesting saying Jose has had enough time. In the depth of winter 1989 some people said the same about SAF.

It seems the starting point has not been considered. Jose came in after SAF had let the team decline, only SAF’s genius at motivation gave us success at the end. SAF was saying no value in the market whilst City bought Silva, Kompany, Aguero and co, so when Pep arrived he had a far stronger base than when Jose took over. City had prepared for years whilst we had failed to invest and appointed two wrong managers. Chelsea the same, SAF found no value when Hazard came on the market. So recent spending needs to be put in perspective, which it hasn’t been. Look at spending since 2008 in the clubs, I am sure someone will and decide from that. We replaced Ronaldo with Wigan’s winger and watched the golden generation retire yet did nothing until the panic buying of the last five years. I also wonder whether the players being bought are a Mourinho’s first choice, or the cheaper options in the same positionsdue to the servicing of the debt?

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30 Oct 2018 10:31:26
DDG is a fantastic keeper and I'd love it if he stays, but if he goes he will be replaced bu another good/ great keeper who will make saves.

Some of the talk seems to imply that without him we would have no one in goal and every shot would score.

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31 Oct 2018 08:16:44
Bang on steve players come and go.
Nobody wants the best ones to leave but lots of times better ones come in.
The sky will not fall in if he leaves.

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24 Oct 2018 22:01:36
Last night was the first real reality test. Yes, we have improved but it showed us as a mediocre team when we rub shoulders with European Giants.
Should we back Jose in the transfer market? I really want to say yes, but I don't think he is capable of the blue sky thinking that is so obviously required.
More of the same policy in the transfer market is likely to produce more of the same on the field. Any progress in future is likely to be painfully slow judging by the recent past. To keep doing the same thing repeatedly whilst expecting different results is the occupation of fools.

On a different tack, I fear that if a decision to change the manager yet again is taken it, is likely to be made by the same people responsible for the dogs breakfast of the last three appointments.

We seem to be in a catch 22 situation. As a general comment, our squad as individuals are not as bad as performances suggest but our tactics and cohesion as a team are never optimal and at times sometimes from momentary lack of focus is often abysmal. Defenders who can't defend and attackers who make few chances and cannot put away the ones they do conjure up. All basic stuff that a decent coach should be able to rectify or at least dramatically improve.

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24 Oct 2018 22:42:52
While I understand those who would say to back Jose in the market. His dealings in it were brought into sharp contrast against Juve.

Pjanic and Bentancur cost less than Fred, they ran the show while he sat on the bench all night.
Jose praised their CBs yet we paid more for Bailly and Lindelof.

He's been backed, its just gone to the wrong places and it's compounded by the negative tactics. So in some ways I fully understand The board refusing (if that was the case) the back Jose.

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27 Oct 2018 08:54:01
The worrying thing about the Juve game is I think that's the best we can play, even more, worrying is the manager has the same opinion that to me is unacceptable, if the rumours are to be believed and the owners have told Jose to keep quiet, then the writing is on the wall, don't get me wrong here he won't be sacked until we fail to get into the top 4, so are the powers at Utd doing there due diligence and scouting our next manager they must get it right, I for one don't have much faith in their judgement after all they picked Moyes, then Jose both have failed to live up to our standards and style of play so our next manager must play attacking football, whoever gets the job has a big job on there hands a lot of dead wood to shift, it's another season lost and trophyless I'm afraid.

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