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15 Apr 2024 23:44:53
Evening Ed, when you're not too busy, would it be possible to get a updated departure list of players in the summer? Those out of contract and those the club is actively looking to move on.

Also, given the CEO and DOF haven't been onboarded yet, do you expect the summer targets to change when they do?

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{Ed002's Note - The targets will change as players stay where they are or move elsewhere. Ashworth will have a say if he joins.

Potential Departures:

There are players who need to move on as soon as possible, but the club will be reluctant to take too much of a loss and will need to make payments to players who cannot recoup similar terms. One player has made it clear that his future will depend on the coach departing and as I have said I do not expect ten Hag to be coach next season.

Andre Onana (G) Not worked out and could be offered to Michael Emanalo as Manchester United look to upgrade - could stay as second choice as Bayindir wants out and Heaton will be out of contract.
Altay Bayindir (G) Wants out and a return to Turkey may be possible with Galatasaray.
Tom Heaton (G) Out of contract.
Aaron Wan-Bissaka (RB) Manchester United have invoked a one year contract extension as the replacement they had in mind is not interested in the move. Middle East may offer a solution. Inter Milan might be a wildcard solution.
Alvaro Carreras (LB/LW) On loan to Granada with his representative offering him around as there is no clear route to first team football at Manchester United. With Benfica offering a firm B squad place and progress based on performance, it is an attractive solution to the player. There has been a discussion with Manchester United who will be open to a deal if there is a sell on clause and their valuation is matched.
Brandon Williams (LB) Disappeared off my radar so I don't have any feelings. I expect he will be available.
Raphael Varane (CB) Future at Manchester United will depend on whether or not the coach is replaced. He will have options in Europe with Bayern Munich and the Middle East come the summer - but the club may look to a new contract on reduced terms.
Harry Maguire (CB) May be available in the Summer and West Ham may prove his only viable option in England.
Victor Lindelof (CB) Manchester United have invoked a one year contract extension – will likely stay a while longer.
Jonny Evans (CB) Will leave as a Free Agent.
Rhys Bennett (CB) May get another loan.
Casemiro (DM) Manchester United would be willing to let him leave but will take a huge loss. Michael Emanalo spoke of him as one option for Saudi clubs but will pe concerned about persistent injuries. PSG offer a wildcard option but only as cover.
Sofyan Amrabat (DM/CM) Loan has not worked out well and he will head back to Fiorentina at the end of the season. Agent is already doing the rounds and has interest in the player.
Scott McTominay (CM) If available at the right price, West Ham will be interested. I suspect he will stay.
Donny van der Beek (CM) - Eintracht Frankfurt do not want to pay the €10M option to make the deal permanent. His misfit laden agent is knocking on doors again. Wages are an issue.
Hannibal Mejbri (AM) Will be available.
Bruno Fernandes (AM) ME still beckons after an offer from Al Hilal was rejected by the player. May well depart in the summer when there will be many changes or perhaps wait one more year.
Christian Eriksen (AM) The player has a contract until 2025 but may leave in the summer to guarantee game time.
Amad Diallo (RW) Will want game time and that may be tough but he may go on loan.
Antony (RW) Available.
Facundo Pellestri (RW) will be sold ideally - but clubs may only be interested in a loan. Villareal has a declared interest. PSV may provide an option.
Jadon Sancho (W) Borussia Dortmund would take the player back but would not pay more than half of what they sold him for and will step back unless the demands of the player and club are more reasonable. Newcastle may have provided an option but signed an alternative. Agent approached Spurs but they can be discounted. Perhaps a loan to buy for Juventus, but they will not accept an obligation to buy. RBL may be open to a discussion.
Anthony Martial (W/F) Has to go but there little clear interest. Juventus had an interest but he would not be first choice now. Out of contract in the Summer with Fenerbahce keen to take a chance, else it will be the Middle East or a new contract.
Alejandro Garnacho (LW) Agent was looking to move on Garnacho and Patino after demanding game time from both Manchester United and Arsenal last summer. Garnacho was offered to Real Madrid knowing that Vinicius Junior may move on, but I am not convinced he would be a regular there. Juventus have also been offered to player as they too seek a LW replacement but I can't see they would bite. Having a good season and will stay where he is.
Mason Greenwood (F) Time to move on - offered to Lazio, Marseille and Atalanta but none seem to be biting. Turkey or the Middle East might provide permanent options. Atletico Madrid or Real Sociedad may offer an option but the fee will be too high for Getafe to buy but they will try to find a creative solution or another loan. He is on the list of Michael Emenalo, but that may not suit the player,
Marcus Rashford (LW/F) Much will depend on what happens in the summer regarding a new coach, but I am sure Manchester United will be regretting the new long-term contract. A third-party has spoken to clubs, including Juventus and Arsenal about him on behalf of Manchester United, but I am not aware of any serious interest. Suggestion that he could be a Mbappe replacement at PSG seem far-fetched given they have other clear targets in mind.

Potential Arrivals and Players known to have been subject to scouts watching them:

Mike Maignan (G) Of interest to Chelsea, but not first choice, and Milan won't look to sell but the player has not yet signed a new contract. Manchester United may be interested if Onana were to move on. Bayern have an interest in taking him to replace Manuel Neuer.
Diogo Costa (G) Manchester United need to make a decision over their goalkeepers moving forward and Costa is a player they have been looking at for some time, but so have Spurs, Chelsea and Roma. Porto will resist a sale unless and offer of €80M plus arrives.
Patrick Schulte (G) Columbus Crew goalkeeper Schulte has attracted scouts from RBL, Arsenal and Manchester United. A Work Permit may prove an issue in moving to England unless paying over the odds.
Denzel Dumfries (RB) Bayern Munich interest has gone. Inter offered him to Chelsea as a CA replacement - and that may yet be an option but Chelsea opted for another. Arsenal could be interested as they have been playing Ben White out of his natural CB position. Spurs and Manchester United offer options and he may well be first choice for Manchester United .
Miguel Gutierrez (LWB) Moved to Girona from Real Madrid who retain a nominal 50% of his rights and can buy him back for a fixed fee of double what they sold him for - so €8M total. Bayern Munich fear losing Alphonso Davies and have Gutierrez as their first choice replacement if that happens. Manchester United may yet look to an offer after sending scouts. Chelsea have spoken to Girona about the player but have preferred options and Manchester City have sent scouts.
Devyne Rensch (RB/LB/CB) No interest in joining Manchester United as cover but attracted to them if first choice. Interest in the very versatile Devyne Rensch will likely leave with ten Hag. Inter might make a declaration of interest after having him scouted as a possible Darmian replacement.
Michael Kayode (RB) Manchester United has a declared interest but Fiorentina will not wish to sell. Inter consider him a replacement for Denzil Dumfries.
Jeremie Frimpong (RB/RWB/RM/LB) Bayer Leverkusen would not be open to offers unless someone is paying well over the odds. Being versatile has made him attractive to Chelsea. 10 years at Manchester City might be against a move to Manchester United, but they have looked.
Milos Kerkez (LWB) Only joined in the summer after picking Bournemouth over Lazio for game time. Down the list for Chelsea who have a much preferred target. Manchester United have been sending scouts.
Antonee Robinson (LB) Fulham are open to selling but have priced him as €45M which Marseille see as far too high. Newcastle may offer an option. Fallback position for Chelsea - an exchange may be possible. Manchester united and Liverpool have sent scouts.
Marc Cucurella (LB) Attracting interest from Atletico and Manchester United still. Real Madrid enquired but they should now be able to secure their first choice. Wants to stay at Chelsea but he will be made available.
Rayan Ait-Nouri (LWB) Barcelona's interest in Ait-Nouri has likely moved on as they focus on another. The player is on the list of LB options Chelsea are considering but they have a far preferred option. Potential option for Arsenal who need to bolster the position or Liverpool if they look to upgrade on Robertson although his injury issues seem to now be behind him. Watched by scouts from Manchester United who are likely to start to push. PSG have declared an interest in Ait-Nouri to replace Kurzawa and it is where his agent would like him to move to - but he would not be first pick.
Alejandro Balde (LWB) Barcelona do not wish to sell but coming in to the last year of his contract are concerned that negotiations for a new contract will hinge on what Mendes may ask for in terms of wages knowing that interest in the player remains for the Chelsea Vision 2030 project after attempts to sign him over the past three years failed. He has the opportunity to take the LB position in the first team at Chelsea and it is possible a player plus cash option might be acceptable to Barcelona. The clubs will again meet to discuss potential options. A wildcard option for Manchester United.
Odilon Kossounou (CB/RB) With Tapsoba, Tah and Hincapie all attracting attention Bayer Leverkusen will not want to lose Kossounou as well. Versatility to play at both CB and RB as attracted scouts from both Manchester sides and Real Sociedad who may be forced to replace Robin Le Normand.
Matthijs de Ligt (CB) Player has been happier with Tuchel as coach and will likely stay where he is when a new coach arrives in the summer, as long as he gets the playing time he desires. In the unlikely event that ten Hag is still at Manchester United he may well be interested but he would not be top of the list at all. Bayern have no interest in selling although they are persisting in chasing another CB themselves.
Giorgio Scalvini (CB/DM) Milan, Chelsea, Manchester City, Inter, Manchester United, Spurs, Juventus and Southampton have shown an interest in the young centre back who has also covered for Koopmeiners as a DM. Southampton can be discounted, and probably Spurs with the Italian management gone. Napoli and Atletico offer wildcard options. Milan are well placed to strike a deal.
Ronald Araujo (CB) Bayern Munich and Manchester United have an interest. Barcelona wants the defence rebuilt but need funds and €80M for Araujo would help but will likely opt for extending the player’s contract and looking to other sales. Bayern rejected an exchange proposal.
Edmond Tapsoba (CB) Arsenal and Leicester interest has gone. With the injury to Timber, that interest of Arsenal may return. Leverkusen are open to selling. Spurs interest will now have gone, and Newcastle interest will only return if there is a departure. Scouted by Chelsea but not a first choice option for them. West Ham interest was of no interest to the player. Manchester United have him on a shortlist of Harry Maguire replacements but the player has said he has no interest in moving to Manchester United.
Antonio Silva (CB) Benfica say that "many scouts" have been to watch the player - perhaps they are looking for someone to pay his €100M buy out clause - a move at that price seems unlikely but PSG are keen. Juventus and Napoli would want a reduction in the asking price to make any move viable. Looked at by Spurs and Manchester United. For Liverpool perhaps a Konate replacement but very unlikely. Discussed with Chelsea during a conversation about another player and perhaps number two or three on their list.
Jean-Clair Todibo (CB) Various scouts, including a very high-end independent scout and ex-PL player who has recently been helping Manchester United and Liverpool, together with scouts from Newcastle, Aston VIlla and Lyon have been looking. Bayern Munich, Chelsea, Spurs, Borussia Dortmund, Manchester United have declared an interest, but Nice are still looking for perhaps €50M to sell but Manchester United and Chelsea have a preferred first choice additions - and Nice would ask for the loan of Lesley Ugochukwu as part of any deal with Chelsea. Nice will look to block a sale to Manchester United fearing a backlash from their fans. Spurs might provide a wildcard option but I would expect Liverpool to look to other options first. Player has made clear his preference is for a return to Barcelona.
Gleison Bremer (CB) Juventus do not want to sell and the player wishes to stay but the club need to raise funds which has led to his representatives testing the waters with Manchester United, Spurs and Chelsea to see if there is interest. He may well emerge as a first choice target for Spurs and Manchester United – will cost perhaps €70M.
Jarrad Branthwaite (CB) Everton want a new contract but Spurs, Manchester United and Newcastle have an interest. Ancelotti has spoken to Solari about him and scouts were sent to watch him against Newcastle, but Solari is not convinced that English players settle well on the continent. Manchester United will likely need a complete rebuild at CB with departures in the summer and so he will likely be an option. Spurs have a need for a CB. Newcastle has a compelling need to add one or two younger CBs. A wildcard would be Manchester City.
Marc Guehi (CB) Arsenal has a declared interest but prior interest of Spurs likely went with Conte. Chelsea have a first refusal but it is doubtful they would wait to invoke it and will be happy to either make a cash or part exchange offer or take funds from the sell on clause although Chelsea do see the return of Guehi as a potential long-term Silva replacement when he leaves in 2024 and may yet offer Conor Gallagher as part of the deal. Newcastle may make an offer but right now are in talks over Inacio but they will turn back to Guehi if they cannot sell their project to Inacio. Manchester United offer a wildcard option but have preferred targets. A number of Premier League and Serie A clubs have sent scouts. Crystal Palace do not want to sell.
Tosin Adarabioyo (CB) Spurs interest may remain as they struggle to sign their preferred options and are still light at CB - although they may not guarantee a starting role. Free Agent in the summer and expect MIlan and Monaco to make an approach for discussions before then. Milan fear the departure of Fikayo Tomori with Monaco being light at CB and running the chance that Guillermo Maripan will move on. West Ham will also consider making the player an offer. Wildcard may be Liverpool or Manchester United. Fulham will look to a new contract.
Joshua Kimmich (DM) Bayern Munich may now make him available, a significant fee would be sought - well beyond what interested sides Barcelona or Manchester City would pay for a 28 year old on €400k per week although Manchester City may well look to find a solution that suits everybody. A wildcard option would be Manchester United or Arsenal. New coach will have a say at Bayern Munich.
Kenneth Taylor (DM) Seen as an option to replace Luiz if he departs Aston Villa. Manchester City consider him an option to replace Phillips and Manchester United an option to replace Casemiro although interest may depart with ten Hag.
Joao Palhinha (DM/CM) Fulham will not look to sell unless a huge offer is made and the player asks for a move. All interest except that of Bayern Munich, Arsenal and possibly Newcastle will have gone with the signing of a new contract although Manchester United and Liverpool have had a will respected ex PL and high-end independent scout watch the player on their behalf - although both have other targets. Fulham will still look to replacements as they fear the player could have his head turned by Bayern Munich or Arsenal, who see him as an option to Trindade, who Fulham are also keen on.
Amadou Onana (DM/CB/CM) Only moved to Everton in 2022 and they are not looking to sell him but with troubles mounting they may have to listen to offers. West Ham interest has returned and Arsenal may look again after failing to agree alternatives, but they must now be seen as a wildcard option. Newcastle spoke with Everton in the summer and have failed to sign their primary DM/CM target but could return again this summer. Manchester United had him a long way down their list of targets but failed to sign preferred options in the summer and he may still be of interest, but I rather doubt it. Chelsea have him on a list of midfield options but not at the top, and Barcelona may look to some horse trading but they have to deal with their own financial issues. Real Madrid may look to a player plus cash deal, but he would largely be used as cover. Another wildcard could be Bayern Munich if the cannot sign Palhinho - but they will have a new coach in the summer.
Youssouf Fofana (CM/DM) An approach from Crystal Palace was rejected by Monaco who told them they will be negotiating a new contract, although that has not yet happened. Interest of Lyon has gone. Chelsea have strong ties with Monaco and the clubs have discussed him but he is not first choice for Chelsea. Nottingham Forest interest was turned away with a bid being rejected. West Ham have now replaced Rice so their interest has likely gone unless they lose Soucek or plan to use him exclusively as a CM player. Manchester United may see him as an option but he would not be a direct Casemiro replacement. However, Juventus have declared an interest and the wages would not be an issue with local tax laws being favourable but I suspect they will opt for another. I am not aware of Liverpool interest. Wages might be an issue for some clubs.
Khephren Thuram (DM/CM) Nice felt they were messed around by clubs last summer and then the player picked up an injury. Interest of Spurs and, in particular, Juventus remains but Liverpool will look to other options. Interest of Newcastle will likely of fallen away. Milan may offer an option. If interest further grows his price will rise and the club would sell given the emergence of Alexis Beka Beka regardless of impressive youngster Reda Belahyane being sold to Verona. Nice do not want to sell and again a move to Old Trafford will not be welcomed by the Nice supporters. Real Madrid have him on a list of potential additions given they are facing midfield departures in the summer - and I would not rule them, or indeed Manchester City or Barcelona, out. Player wants PSG but they have no interest at this time - but his representative is pushing PSG as well as Real Madrid and will encourage the player to wait and see what happens.
Hayden Hackney (DM) Manchester United and Spurs have sent scouts. The issue will be playing time if he moves from Middlesborough.
Joao Neves (DM/CM) Discussed with Chelsea when meeting over another player as they were seeking a replacement for Loftus-Cheek. Potential Casemiro replacement for Manchester United. Huge buy out clause and Benfica will not look to sell but recognise there will be growing interest. Versatile but falls over easily. I expect Manchester United to push.
Morten Hjulmand (DM/CM) Arrived from Lecce in the summer of 2023 - not available unless an offer that meets his huge release clause is made - and even then the player may not be interested in a move so soon after joining. Arsenal are looking at Elneny and Jorginho leaving as Free Agents in the summer and have sent scouts. He is also seen as an option for Manchester United but currently not first choice.
Frenkie de Jong (CM/DM) Barcelona will look for a new contract with reduced wages else he will be sold in the summer with possible interest remaining from Manchester United. PSG have spoken with his agent and additionally his agent has raised his availability with Chelsea whist discussing another player.
Manu Kouadio Kone (CM/DM) Prior interest of Milan has gone. Newcastle did approach Borussia Muenchegladbach but they will resist a sale and try and agree a new deal, but Newcastle remain keen. RBL are keen to add Kone to replace Laimer. Watched by a number of other Premier League sides including West Ham, Manchester United, Liverpool and Brighton. A wildcard maybe PSG. Player wants Chelsea move but they have other targets. Asking price will by €60M including add ons.
Taylor Booth (CM/RW) Utrecht know they will get offers in the summer with scouts from a number of sides including Brighton, Manchester United and Leicester City having attended games. A Work Permit will be difficult.
Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall (CM) Manchester United could look to KDH to help refresh their midfield. Brighton are keen. Brentford, Spurs and Fulham offer options. An Everton enquiry will go no where. I suspect one for the summer but promotion and FFP issues may be relevant.
Chris Rigg (CM) Kiddie spotted by Chelsea scouts when watching another Sunderland player. Of an age where he can reach the position of being Club Developed as well as Home Grown. Liverpool and Manchester United have sent scouts.
Sebastian Szymanski (AM) Having a great season for Fenerbahce attracting the serious interest of Napoli and scouted as an option by Chelsea, Manchester United and Spurs. Recommended to Liverpool last summer but moved to Fenerbahce from Dinamo Moscow after a successful loan.
Antonio Nusa (LW/RW/AM) Chelsea are looking at preferred options as well as Nusa, who they don't value as highly as the asking price and have now recalled Diego Moreira to likely end their interest. Real Madrid interest has shifted to others. Juventus, Spurs, Manchester United, Brentford and Arsenal have sent scouts with Spurs asking for a price - but it is hard to see where he would fit in without departures. Brentford agreed a price with Brugge but the player was unsure. One to watch for the future but seen as a bit of a flake.
Nico Williams (LW/RW) Young Basque winger and brother to Inaki who has eased himself in to the first team over the last two seasons. Terse response from the Spanish U21 set up (along the lines of "he does not score many goals for an attacker") when told he was changing his allegiance to Ghana, like his brother - and that led to him changing back to Spain. There was plenty of interest in him so a contract extension and buy out clause were awarded to the player at the start of 2022 and again in December 2023, pricing him out of a move to Barcelona at €50M plus a significant signing on fee. The Aston Villa coach wishes to be reunited and they will push for a deal in the summer but he may opt to stay for a year or two more after signing a new contract. Looked at by numerous Premier League clubs including Chelsea, Manchester United and Arsenal as well as Barcelona and Real Madrid. Chelsea may look to an offer if their first choice is unobtainable.
Luis Guilherme (AM) Manchester United, Real Madrid, Chelsea, Manchester City, Liverpool and Barcelona have shown an interest in the player for next summer. Chelsea discussed him during negotiations two other players. Spurs may well have noted him when scouting another Palmeiras player. However, a new contract and a €60M release clause will prove to be an issue.
Dani Olmo (AM/W) Signed a new contract but could still be sold this summer if a significant offer were made. Atletico, Spurs, Manchester City and Barcelona are interested, although Barcelona have preferred options. Chelsea considered him as a Mason Mount replacement but have preferred options. Manchester United may offer a wildcard option. Bayern Munich interest has gone.
Marcus Edwards (RW/AM) Spurs would like to re-sign the player they let leave for Guimaraes and there is interest from West Ham, but that will go nowhere. Crystal Palace have a declared interest. Discussed with Chelsea on an informal basis and on the list of RW/AM players Chelsea need - but they have a preferred options. Could prove a suitable Salah replacement for Liverpool but Sporting may still have no interest in dealing with Liverpool and they have preferred options, but with a change of coach that may change. Manchester United see him as a potential addition and have declared an interest - but much will depend on what happens in the summer with the coach. Sporting has no interest in selling and would demand his full release clause in a single payment.
Takefusa Kubo (RW/LW) Move has worked out well for him. Real Madrid may look to invoke their buy-back option which is about half his buy out clause. This season is going well for him and I doubt he would want to return to RM. Manchester United and Liverpool have sent scouts but neither has declared an interest with his club and the player has signed a new long term contract.
Rafael Leao (LW) Right footed left winger Leao signed a new contract last summer after serious interest was shown earlier in the year by Bayern Munich and Manchester City. Manchester City's interest remains. The interest of Chelsea went with the signing of Mykhaylo Mudryk and even though they are still looking for another similar player they have a far preferred option. I cannot see the player moving to Newcastle who enquired in the summer but PSG have sent scouts and he is seen as an option to replace Mbappe, but not top of the list. Barcelona have him on a lengthy list of wide options for the summer but need to sell. He could also be an option for Real Madrid as they clear the decks - but they would look to including a player in a deal which will cost at least €120M and it would mean Mbappe moving elsewhere - and that is not going to happen. I am not aware of Liverpool making any approach and they have four right footed players who can play on the left side of attack - and they need a left footed right sided forward. As such it would make little sense and costs a great deal of money. A wildcard would be Manchester United. Player likely wants to stay in Milan.
Michael Olise (RW/AM) PSG and Manchester City want him as cover although the departure of Mahrez will mean more opportunities now, but the RW position is effectively Foden's. If de Bruyne or Silva were to depart, he becomes an option again. Crystal Palace has no real interest in selling but know that Chelsea want to take Olise back to Stamford Bridge and Olise has made clear that one day he wants to be playing with his brother. Down the list of AM players Chelsea want but they will again perhaps push for him. His representative has said no other clubs have made an approach for Olise - but maybe Klopp's obsession with Chelsea Academy players will continue as Liverpool have sent scouts - but they will have preferred targets to replace Salah. Manchester United have also regularly sent scouts and he may end up first choice for them. Will be available in the summer when a significant release clause will need to be met.
Kaoru Mitoma (LW) Fortunate to get a Work Permit initially and Brighton has no interest in selling him but Manchester City and Manchester United see him as an option.
Vinicius Junior (LW/S) Player was distraught after the abuse and agent has offered him to PSG and Chelsea but the arrival of Mbappe could see further interest. Then you will likely see interest of Manchester United and perhaps PSG making an offer but he is only a second or thirdd choice Mbappe replacement for them. Chelsea has a preferred option but he may not be attainable.
Raphinha (RW/LW) Has struggled to displace Dembele or Ansu Fati on a regular basis and will be sold if Barcelona can recover the fee they paid for him, else they will keep him. Manchester United or Newcastle may be an option. Even Spurs, Liverpool or Arsenal perhaps. Barcelona will look to sell to the Middle East to get the best possible price and have spoken with Michael Emenalo with Al-Hilal interested.
Jonathan David (S/AM) Lille, like many French clubs were hit hard by the loss of broadcast revenue and will need to sell some of their more valuable assets even though they do not want to. Jonathan David is valued by Lille at an unrealistic €50M but moving in to the last year of his contract will need to accept perhaps €30M. Napoli and Spurs no longer see him as a possible addition. Real Madrid have previously declared an interest but their focus has turned away as they wanted to include a player in any deal. He has been recommended to Chelsea by an ex player but they have a preferred targets. The Manchester United coach tried to take him to Ajax and could potentially look to taking him to Manchester United - and I would not discount them even if ten Hag departs. Aston Villa or Milan may offer a viable solution with Milan beginning to push.
Joshua Zirkzee (S) Manchester United had a third-party scout watch him in a game against Roma in December. Milan has declared an interest knowing Giroud is coming to the end of his contract but don't know if Zirkzee will match his goal tally. Bayern Munich have an option to buy the player back but will likely not be interested in following up on it. Napoli offer an option when Osimhen moves. Player will not move to become cover or second choice likely ruling out Juventus.
Victor Osimhen (S) Napoli made it clear to Chelsea who enquired in 2021 that even €100M would not buy the player - but they do maintain an interest and he has been first choice and expect an offer to be made in the summer - they have already assured Napoli that they will pay his release clause in full – but that may change. Al Hilal may well have offered Napoli the huge fee they were looking for, but that may not suit the player just yet. Real Madrid could look to him as an option to Haaland but Madrid would want to offer players in exchange. He has signed a new contract and, at the behest of his agent, included a release clause. Arsenal have a preferred option and see the price as too high. PSG have him on a list of potential Mbappe replacements. If Manchester City were to lose Haaland, he would be an option. Manchester United may offer a wildcard option but the change of staff could end any interest. There is a suggestion that Liverpool have negotiated directly with the player and his agent and not spoken to Napoli. Given Napoli registered a complaint against Liverpool over another player last year, it would seem unlikely, or particularly stupid. In the players hands next summer - may decide to stay but there will be a return from Michael Emanalo with a very good offer but I understand that both PSG and Chelsea have already informed Napoli that remain keen - but Chelsea have not had a positive response from the player - perhaps because of the lack of Champions League football. Chelsea are already looking at options but could make a take-it-or-leave-it offer below his release clause with discussions over two other players going on between the clubs.
Benjamin Sesko (S/F) RBL could be offered a quick profit. His agent has not stopped offering the player around since his move to RBL. Described by a well known ex-Premier League player and high-end scout as "raw but improving". Was on the list for Spurs as a potential Kane replacement and Newcastle enquired but continue to struggle to sell their project. Chelsea spoke with his agent but have preferred options – but they are struggling to sign targets so cannot be discounted. Milan offer an option as a potential Giroud replacement. A wildcard may be either Manchester United or Arsenal. Milan will be favourites as they want Sesko and Zirkee.
Eric Maxim Choupo-Moting (F) Manchester United asked for a loan of the player from Bayern Munich in January. I have no idea why and I assume interest has gone.
Viktor Gyokeres (S) After only joining in the summer Sporting have no interest in selling but fear a club could simply pay his €100M buy out clause in full and try to persuade him to move. Sporting fear Chelsea may do that and have avoided the subject during discussions over another player and a separate issue. He has attracted scouts representing Manchester United and Arsenal with Arsenal seeing him as an option to Toney. Sporting are looking to a new contract and an increase in his buy-out clause.
Brian Brobbey (S) Everton interest remains but so does their financial plight. Eric ten Hag has a remaining interest but I doubt that position is supported by the club and he will leave in the summer.

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16 Apr 2024 12:56:31
Holy cow. One of your best ever Ed!

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16 Apr 2024 13:00:08
Ed002 thank you for your response, amazing amount of info. May I ask if there is still interest in Inacio or will he be going elsewhere? Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - Yes - he should have been there:

Goncalo Inacio (CB) Watched by scouts from a number of PL sides, including Liverpool, Arsenal and Manchester United, with each declaring an interest. Sporting will not be keen to do business with Liverpool although the club could potentially arrange to pay his full Release Clause in a single payment and force the situation if the player is interested - and that seems a strong possibility. The other sides to declare an interest are Newcastle and PSG, but PSG have a plan over another player but it is looking unlikely he will join - so Inacio might become the focus. Real Madrid offer a wildcard option. Sporting would rather not sell and are looking to a further new contract and an increased release clause. Newcastle have held talks with Sporting in order to be able to speak directly to the player and to understand if there is flexibility in the payment schedule – but there isn't. Arsenal interest would have departed with the signing of Timber although it has returned with the injury to Timber and impending departures. They are actively seeking talks with Sporting. The player has also been offered to Chelsea by his agent when discussing another player, but they have preferred options for a long-term Silva replacement although do have an interest in Inacio's CB partner Diomande. Arsenal have made a tentative offer that has been rejected. The player's agent has also said that Inacio is open to a move to Manchester United and they may push depending on departures.}

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16 Apr 2024 13:03:21
Holy smoke that's some list.
Thanks ed002.
Loving the outs list no surprises at all there let's vote we can messiaen a lot of the difficulties and get those out who don't want to be here.

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16 Apr 2024 13:08:26
Ed, brilliant as always. Thanks a lot for getting this as quickly as you did!

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16 Apr 2024 13:14:21
Holy smokes thanks Ed, that’s incredible 👌.

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16 Apr 2024 14:20:23
Incredible work Ed002. Amazing, thank you.

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16 Apr 2024 14:24:40
My word that is some response Ed. Thank you.

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16 Apr 2024 14:44:10
Ed02 the GOAT as always. Thanks for that amazingly detailed and insightful breakdown!

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16 Apr 2024 17:44:26
Chelsea fan here in peace as my best friends are all United fans. I'm kinda curious as to why Nice fans seem to be strongly against their player moving to United, could you perhaps explain that Ed? Or maybe anyone else who would know?

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16 Apr 2024 18:02:41
Nice fans do not want another club with a financial interest from the owner of Nice to be taking their best players. }.

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14 Apr 2024 14:50:13
Apparently, along with Bayern, we're having 'concrete' discussions with Frimpong's camp.

Personally, I don't think we should bother wasting our time - he surely won't leave a title-winning club for what is essentially a mid-table club in the midst of wholesale change.
I don't think he'll go to Bayern either though.

Real Madrid are looking at new defenders and I reckon he'll follow Alphonso Davies from Germany to offer a frightening extra dynamic to their game.

I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt we're even an attractive prospect for Matty Cash if not for the, erm, cash.

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14 Apr 2024 15:28:41
Good to see some positivity.

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14 Apr 2024 15:58:05
Frimpong has had a phenomenal year at Leverkusen absolutely no doubt about it. However, I've often said a big problem with our recruitment is we sign players who are playing well in a totally different tactical set up to what we play.

Frimpong is a talented player without a doubt, but his current form is only possible because he is playing in a system that maximises his strengths and minimises hie weaknesses.

The 343 system suits him perfectly as it gives him the extra player in defence to cover his defensive shortcomings, while the front three means he's able to double up with the wide forward (Wirtz) to find space on either the over or underlap.

Unless we are hiring a manager who will employ a 343 type formation then it seems foolish to sign a player who has only ever thrived in that sort of team set up.

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14 Apr 2024 16:11:53
Shappy’s right. We should be looking to sign players who are currently playing for teams with no tactical set up. That way, they can slot right in. Am fed up of this square pegs for round holes approach. We need players who can perform for a tactically naive manager.

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14 Apr 2024 18:39:04
That's what we did with mount. Played 10 or a little wide right for Chelsea but eth wants him to play in a position he never played before. I don't think that's smart I'm not saying it can't be a success but it's an odd way to go about it imo.

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14 Apr 2024 19:07:39
Rather fed up with this season now; bring on the Summer to ship out unsuitable players and bring in new faces that help us build towards success.

Hopefully - PSR and wheeler-dealing allowing - see some new players coming in.

The peerless Ed002 has already suggested that the following players might be our preferred targets:

Antonio Silva (CB)

João Neves (DM/ CM)

Denzel Dumfries (RB)

Furthermore, the Muppetiers (who some mistrust as click-bait, but generally seem well-informed), have suggested the following preferences also:

Jarrod Branthwaite (CB)

Jean-Clair Todibo (CB)

Andre Onana (DM)

Morten Hjulmand (DM)

Michael Olise (RW)

Benjamin Sesko (S)

Plus a focus on younger talents from South America.

All of these look like they would cost a lot of money, so just hope INEOS can raise lots of funds through plater sales and wages saved.

If cheaper options are needed as a result of limited funds and the sheer number of positions that need addressing, wondering if:

Anyone has heard of cheaper/ lesser known options we might be looking at?

Younger players at United who might be promoted to the first team squad?

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14 Apr 2024 21:36:35
At the moment we are a long long way off challenging for a league again. 3 or 4 seasons realistically and that's getting the recruitment right every window. We seem to be getting the correct people in place to make the right signings. Top of the list aswell has to be to stop giving wannabe fashion designer rappers 300k a week . We seem to get it wrong so many times with signings compared to Liverpool and City who very rarely get it wrong.

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14 Apr 2024 21:53:27
We're hardly a midtable club are we.
Sometimes reading people's thoughts is both amusing and baffling.
We have had a poor season, yet. we've also been through a protracted buyout of a portion of the club, a buyout that will bring fresh ideas and direction, something that is already starting to play out. We've also had a few injuries to contend with (although I think a squad should be able to work through these when the setup is right, see first point as to why we've struggled here) and lastly, we struggled to get rid of players deemed 'surplus to requirements' last summer, again see point one as to why this occurred.

The new owners are literally going to bring a night and day scenario to next season, in my opinion.

It is for that reason that, if Frimpong is the right person for the role we are scouting (not saying he is or isn't), then I firmly believe Manchester United is very much a big pull.
As an example, let's assume Villa make the top 4, do you think Villa in the CL is a bigger pull than Manchester United after an off season?

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15 Apr 2024 00:00:25
U agree with a lot if that jimbo.
I'm not so sure we will see a night and day approach with the financial restrictions.
They will only be able to work within the rules and we have quite a financial impact to work off due to the haphazard rudderless spending.
We can only take so many hits on the books and it often makes more sense financially and to stay within the rules to keep a player rather than sell them at an unsustainable loss age taking into account all the associated costs of a transfer which are substantial.
I'm not well read on the regulations so can't give any informed opinion on what they need to do to navigate them whisky getting as close to night and day as possible.
Here's to hoping.

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15 Apr 2024 04:22:58
That's why I think it will be night and day.
Write off the no hopers, even if it restricts us, to the point we are backed into a corner financially, meaning we will both, promote from within, and only sign people who understand the longer term vision.

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15 Apr 2024 10:23:33
This is where our new scouting and acquisition team can earn their stripes.
Take the plight of Alex Grimaldo, who was a free transfer to Leverkusen at the start of the season. Now one of the most desirable full-backs in Europe.
The signings are out there, but we rarely find them. I'll stand by Cantona as being our biggest ever bargain. Leeds couldn't get rid of him quickly enough and the rest is history.

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14 Apr 2024 11:02:24
Rumours that EtH has lost the dressing room - a recurring theme at United since SAF.

Is it the manager and tactics or the players or the whole club? One things for sure is that after spending a billion pounds we are a mid table team

I’d don’t trust my judgement with this lot.

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14 Apr 2024 12:18:29
The dressing room is too big, has too many players, and has too many cliques.

It's impossible for any manager to keep a group of players this big and disjointed together and pushing in the same direction. While the going is good it works. But the moment things get tough this squad turns on itself and they eat eachother.

I don't think it's possible to have 36 first team players and to not have a group of them dislike or become disenchanted with the manager as simple there there too many players to get regular minutes. Meaning there is always a core group of players who don't play regularly and as such won't buy into the manager or his tactics.

They will be the first ones to turn on the manager when things get tough as they never really bought into him in the first place.

You then have those who are regulars in the first team but who have close friends or are in cliques with players who aren't. Players who maybe have fallen out with the manager.

For example is it a coincidence that Rashford's form went completely out the window around the same time that Sancho (a close friend) had a very public fallout with the manager?

It could be a coincidence or it could be linked.

The same happened when Jose turned on Shaw, the form of several of the players close to Shaw dropped.

These players who have torn loyalties between the manager and friends who don't like the manager will be the next to turn against him.

Then there are the ones who have no particular strong feelings either way, but they tend to go with the crowd as they have no reason to fight against it.

This tends to leave the manager with a few close loyalists, often the players they have brought with them or have worked with before.

But by this point it isn't enough to save them, they don't have enough players to put out a team that is truly playing for them.

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14 Apr 2024 12:50:24
Rinse and repeat. Too many toxic players that have done this under multiple managers. Right now my biggest issue with talk of replacing ETH is that it could further delay moving these players on. We only have 4 or 5 players good enough to start for any team with aspirations of challenging for the league. We need 3+ new starter level players in and a whole boat load out.

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14 Apr 2024 14:50:12
Also doesn’t help if the manager has no emotional intelligence and no people skills.

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14 Apr 2024 15:08:20
Spot on utd Road. If I was a player I wouldn't trust him.
He is only 5 mins away from his next fall out.
Ignore tashfords non effort for 6 months a call out garnacho was dumb but to be expected from eth.
Its not even up for debate now he is on his way out no doubt about it.
Some players will go with him and that's a good thing.

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14 Apr 2024 15:36:06
The dressing room lost us a long time ago. Ship turn all out and star again.

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14 Apr 2024 18:58:37
You would think after 2 years at the club he should be able to remember where the dressing room is.

Perhaps this explains why he keeps picking Rashford. He keeps forgetting how bloody awful he was in the previous game.

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14 Apr 2024 20:25:35
Rumours that [insert manager name] has lost the dressing room.

Of course he has, the only surprise is that it took almost two years.

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14 Apr 2024 20:52:15
The Utd dressing room must be the most pathetic and tedious working environment on the planet. You can just picture the moaning and bitchiness.

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15 Apr 2024 09:41:41
Lol wazza.

Apparently he has no personal skills or emotional intelligence. Jesus, lads on here really have no clue 😂.

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15 Apr 2024 14:04:32
Angel, it's hilarious. Rumours that he can be "difficult" to get along with surface and the a couple of weeks later some sections of the fanbase are suggesting we've hired Rain man to manage us 🤣🤣🤣.

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15 Apr 2024 21:09:51
You'd have thought after no renovations in the ground, the dressing room would be in the same place it always is.

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16 Apr 2024 00:34:23
Yeah I’ve totally misjudged EtH boys.

The players are so motivated they’d run through walls for Eric it’s plain to see. Not to mention how he’s got the best out of Ronaldo, Sancho, Maguire, Van der beek and Varane and increasing their market value.

You can’t argue that he doesn’t get the very best out of his footballers and never have I seen such fitness levels and resilience to injury before.

It must be so inspiring for the team to see how uses the media to show his unwavering defence of his players and takes total accountability for his decisions.

Give him £400m to rebuild this team in his image and new long term contract. There definitely aren’t any managers capable of surpassing these elite levels.

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16 Apr 2024 10:14:43
What a ridiculous post Utd Road. ETH isn't without his flaws but its easy to make him the scapegoat over a decade of issues.

Ole openly came out and said bringing Ronaldo back to the club was a mistake. We overpaid for Sancho and he is known to have disciplinary problems, he's hardly set the Bundesliga alight since his loan. ETH actively tried to move Maguire and Van de Beek on in the summer, is it his fault there was no interest because we have amateurs negotiating.

A lot of keyboard football experts here with absolutely no substance to contribute.

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16 Apr 2024 11:53:25
Good managers improve players and keep their jobs.
I can’t wait to see him lead us out in August.
As I said by every conceivable metric Eric is the best.

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12 Apr 2024 00:56:56
INEOS have offered terms to Nagelsmann.

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12 Apr 2024 08:42:56
This isn’t true though is it?!

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12 Apr 2024 10:39:16
I think we're going to get different links each day now until something actually happens. If we lose to Bournemouth I imagine it will ramp up even more.

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12 Apr 2024 10:41:19
A guy with numbers in their user name and zero previous posts said, so it HAS to be true.

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12 Apr 2024 11:10:20
He has allegedly, and I use that word loosely, received an offer from a Premier League club. There are no reports to suggest this is United, nor from any credible source.

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12 Apr 2024 12:02:27
One of the Twitter line up leakers has said that he’s heard that some people within United really like Nagelsmann but that word on the street is he’s told his agent not to accept any offers right now. Maybe waiting to see what comes around.

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12 Apr 2024 13:19:30
He's focusing solely on Germany's Euros in Germany which is a proper big deal for him - that's why he'll have told his people to keep the offers in the in-trays and keep the noise away until he starts looking.

In fairness, this 'offer' could be from Liverpool, it could be from Chelsea or Newcastle.

The only thing that makes sense in terms of interest from United is the strategy from INEOS to place the right people in the right roles further up. They're still hoping that Newcastle will negotiate on Ashworth, but I fully expect them to succumb to the original figure demanded for his services - that won't happen until season's end and his arrival, along with Wilcox, will surely precede any managerial arrival.
So really, on paper, Nagelsmann after the Euros, while not at all ideal for the squad rebuild, could be ideal for INEOS.

However, Nagelsmann reportedly likes to have complete control of transfers and has essentially stipulated as such in the past.
It is for this reason alone that, imo, Nagelsmann would not be a realistic option for INEOS.
It does, however, mean that Potter is, perhaps, the standout option.

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12 Apr 2024 14:42:30
Nagelsmann and Potter are the two hottest options. Nagelsmann in the lead as things stand.

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12 Apr 2024 14:51:43
idek2346

Fabrizio, is that you?

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12 Apr 2024 16:31:34
Of the possible managers available/ we've been linked with, Nagelsmann is probably the best available.

The problem is that he won't be available until after Euro's, but that does seem to be our modus operandi, hire people who can't start when we ideally need them to🤦‍♂️.

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12 Apr 2024 19:23:38
Shappy, funny you say that, I was thinking of the Ashworth situation. I’ve read so only going by this that SJR wants Ashworth and others in place to have a say in the manager. If the idea from an INEOS point of view is to get a new manager in, ETH may get another season as it maybe to late for a smooth transition for a new manager to come in without Ashworth and other personnel potentially not in place? I have no idea the plan and still hope ETH stays but like you said, I’m not sure a new dawn should start with a new manager coming in later than what you’d want leading into a new season.

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12 Apr 2024 20:12:48
Think if Nagelsmann doesn’t extend after the Euros, he could be headed to Chelsea.

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12 Apr 2024 21:20:35
Love it Ork!

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12 Apr 2024 21:30:00
I suspect they will let ETH see out his contract, which is at the end of next season by my understanding? By then we will have the structure in place to find the right candidate.

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12 Apr 2024 22:09:50
RedGuard, that to me makes the most sense. It gives EtH a chance, which I think he deserves.

While it means the club don't have to pay him any compensation for sacking him.

That the new structure is in place to be able to fully assess the club and what they need to do. While also giving them the time to plan it.

While if the intention is to make "club signings" this summer and going forward then it really doesn't make a massive difference in terms to rebuilding the squad. As it's not as if they would be buying players for EtH this summers, only for him to leave a year later.

We are all impatient, and want to see change happen ASAP. But it's more important that we make the right decisions rather than just jumping the gun to make any changes.

The club could sack EtH this summer, pay him 8m compensation, then hire the wrong guy and need to sack him next year and pay out even more compensation.

Until people like Ashworth, Wilcox and Berrada are all in place, have had time to assess the club, decide what needs doing, create that plan and have the resources in place to start acting it out, then nothing should be done. As simply put it could very easily be the wrong step.

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12 Apr 2024 22:18:22
Ork,

Close but no cigar. Not Farbrizio but I am his brother.

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12 Apr 2024 22:47:29
Devils advocate,

We keep ETH. Spend another season in the uninspiring doldrums. Dump him at Xmas, pay him out anyway and spend another year out of Europe, unable to attract players yet again.

Swings and roundabouts.

Whatever happens we need to provide service for our forwards rather than bemoaning their suitability. Pointless spending money on a striker and continuing to play the way we are!

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12 Apr 2024 22:52:07
Does IDEK stand for I don't even know?

I miss reading the rumours about someone's sister dating a player's brother's barber, who heard X player was signing. Usually Strootman, Schneiderr or Gaitan.

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13 Apr 2024 00:22:07
I don’t see EtH leaving.
I don’t see us in Europe either, but as it’d only be the godawful thursday night variety I’m happy to see us play a dozen less games and make a go of a real ‘reboot’ next season.
I know, been there done that for a decade but there’s so much going on that really no manager would have had a chance with that he deserves a final go or at least until xmas to show us once and for all what all the progess and plan is with a few more players in his vision on board.

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14 Apr 2024 08:18:42
Nagelsmann makes little sense unless he is going to leave the German national side before the Euros get underway.

Ed has stated that Potter and Southgate lead the charge should EtH be relieved of his duties and personally, I can’t see Southgate either due to similar reasons to Nagelsmann.

Potter the most likely IMO. He’s been waiting for something….

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11 Apr 2024 07:33:10
looks like benny mccarthy not being renewed will be gone. surprised taken this long.

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11 Apr 2024 08:27:45
Ahmad, doesn't Dwight rate him?

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11 Apr 2024 09:15:50
I thought Benny was supposed to be a good coach?

Not renewing would save money if they’re changing coaching set up in the summer.

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11 Apr 2024 10:40:29
It's time for another yorkie porky. m.

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11 Apr 2024 12:25:26
Fizz, of course he does!

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11 Apr 2024 12:41:57
Rumours were he never turned up on time?

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11 Apr 2024 14:44:44
Last seen eating from a lunchbox on his own.

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11 Apr 2024 14:55:04
I mean he was brought in as an attacking coach, someone to help improve our forward play. let's be honest, we've been shocking in attack all season.

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11 Apr 2024 17:48:17
Said months ago there are problems. ken wind your neck in and go play with your toys in the bath tub.

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11 Apr 2024 17:54:34
Shappy

The striker/ wingers group don't like him and there have been many of issues. its been a lingering thing within the squad, they will be happy to see him gone.

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11 Apr 2024 18:13:48
Very touch ahmad. 🤣🤣 who is replacing him? What's the word on the street?

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11 Apr 2024 18:36:09
Oi ken you 🎣🎣🎣? Bad man so you are and no mistake. 😂.

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12 Apr 2024 00:02:13
I propose we change the page name to Man Utd Conjecture.

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12 Apr 2024 09:26:52
No word he is gone even if eth is here next year. they should have gotten rid of him this year but financials has something to do with it I suspect.

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12 Apr 2024 11:42:40
Oh I see that explains everything thanks ahmad. Keep your ear to the ground for us.

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12 Apr 2024 13:42:18
OP - McCarthy contract not being renewed and will be gone.

Final post - No word he is gone even if ETH is here next season.

Well don’t know about anyone else but that’s as clear as mud! Can anyone post a good I drink in a pub with a mate who’s postman’s mate delivers to SJR rumour please to restore some faith in good old fashioned rumours!

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08 Apr 2024 14:59:27
Potter turning down the Ajax job. must have his eyes on a job elsewhere! 🤷‍♂️.

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08 Apr 2024 16:55:56
May have something to do with the rumoured/ reported mess Ajax finds themselves in as a club. Not sure the detail or truth but sounds like they’re pretty chaotic themselves at the moment?!

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08 Apr 2024 17:24:12
Ports is right, Ajax are not the side they were when EtH left. Overmars has left, EvdS has left. Basically the whole team or at least the main people driving the recent success at the club are no longer there and they've been a bit rudderless this season and seem a long way from where they should be. They've sold many of the key players during EtH's time at the club with those that remain past their best. They have done a poor job of refreshing the squad and they need a lot of work.

For someone like Potter he would need a club capable and ready to have an impact in European competitions to help rebuild his career. Even if he was able to win the league with Ajax in the next couple of years that wouldn't be given much credit in the English media or with English fans.

He was successful at a very well run Brighton, he then had a nightmare at a poorly run Chelsea. I'd imagine he'll be pretty keen on making sure his next job is at a well run club.

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08 Apr 2024 17:50:05
They sound like Utd.

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08 Apr 2024 19:33:36
Oh I know, thumped by feyenoord at the weekend. they’ve been a shambles since eth left. Depending on what happens with us he could end up back there! Who knows.

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07 Apr 2024 14:35:44
Rumours potter is close to the ajax job.
May only leave Southgate available.

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07 Apr 2024 15:26:49
Oh God, No.

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07 Apr 2024 16:22:21
Or is this an indication that EtH could be given a further year?

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07 Apr 2024 18:45:43
Hasn't Southgate got a job?

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07 Apr 2024 18:54:47
Eth going no where and boy if Southgate comes i ain't supporting the club no more.

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07 Apr 2024 19:07:31
Really good move for Potter if true.

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07 Apr 2024 19:08:28
That being said, I’d have thought Potter might be on the FA’s shortlist if Southgate moves on? Any insights into that Ed?

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{Ed002's Note - Sure, he will be an option.}

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07 Apr 2024 20:01:18
I agree Eric, I think he Is a much better manager than his Chelsea spell showed, whilst I don't think er should go for him, I do think he has the potential to be very good and Ajax should help him regain his rep.

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07 Apr 2024 20:45:48
More chance of David moyes managing united again than Southgate.

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07 Apr 2024 20:51:37
Singh if that's the case you won't be missed. More fickle than our players.

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08 Apr 2024 05:27:26
Lollll I don't need your validation. Ill b bk once southgate leaves lolll.

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08 Apr 2024 08:54:50
ETH will be our manager next season. Mind Big Sam was in the directors' box with SJR. Careful what you wish for lol.

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08 Apr 2024 09:20:46
Apparently Potter turned down Ajax offer. Probably has better options for next season.

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08 Apr 2024 09:39:00
Old Trafford being one dev1l.

On Southgate, if we have a decent Euros, I’ve no idea why he’d leave the England post. We’ll paid, high profile, and has cultivated a good culture with a very exciting influx of top young players.

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08 Apr 2024 10:27:04
Southgate has done a brilliant job for England if he has a good euros again then I agree EricI'm not sure sjr he would leave that post. It's a great job to have and one he is doing really well.

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08 Apr 2024 11:17:02
It depends on how you judge Southgate. England have always struggled at international tournaments due to a lack of belief and an inability to work together.

On that front Southgate has totally turned that around, there is no bad blood, controversy or personal issues in the England camp. They all believe they can win major tournaments and the whole squad gives 100% every time they go out on the pitch.

For that Southgate should be commended, and to be honest given the United dressing room issues over the past decade, this is something that maybe Southgate could be good at resolving. Although club football is a very different beast to international football due to the fragmented time international football has compared to the day to day grind of club football. Could Southgate be as effective at keeping the dressing atmosphere in the right place at club level. Especially as it's much harder to remove a bad influence in club football compared to just not selecting them at international level.

Case in point Southgate just not selecting Sancho for England was an instant fix, whereas EtH has had to send him to the under 21's for a couple of months before him leaving on loan. Meaning that 6 months later Sancho is still an issue for EtH and the club to resolve.

Where Southgate has let himself down is his tactical acumen and his decision making in the key moments.

He plays with far too much caution, typical maybe of a manager who was a defender during his playing career. Maybe he doesn't know the best way to attack, or maybe he feels safety first is a better/ more consistent approach.

Either way for a club like United that is known for playing with attacking flair, even a cavalier, risk it all style of play, that seems a poor fit. As previous managers have found out, a defensive style of play will only be tolerated for so long by the United fanbase, typically that is while we are winning. Boring football and no trophies will only lead to the sack.

His in game management also seems poor, with him rarely making an impact from the bench. Or at least a positive impact. Be that trying to see out the Euro final for 80 minutes after Shaw's early goal, or an inability or reluctance to make an attacking change to try and claw back a game. Too often it seems he zigged when he should have zagged.

He tries to shut up shop with 30+ minutes left of the game. Or he waits until the 80th minute to make an attacking change when a goal behind from the first half.

I don't know whether it's a lack of tactical intelligence to be able to see what is happening in real time and being able to think up the solution to make the changes, or whether it's a lack of confidence to make those changes. Either way, it is that part of his managerial makeup that has stopped him lifting silverware with England rather than a lack of talent or because the squad has issues.

Maybe that is where the Gary O'Neil as an assistant manager type role is coming from.

Are they fully aware of Southgate's weaknesses and are looking to hire him alongside someone like O'Neil to add that tactical intelligence to the backroom team. Southgate to lead and create a harmonious and driven atmosphere along with his experience of dealing with big players and the press. With someone like O'Neil to take the majority of the training sessions and be the tactican on match days.

That is a model that has previously worked at United with SAF being the leader and his assistant managers running the majority of training sessions and having a big input into the tactics.

It's not what I'd go for but it's about the only way I can see Southgate having any chance of working at United. Given the way INEOS have started their running of the club, the changes they are making and the sensible hiring they are doing it doesn't make much sense to hire Southgate. Unless they have him fitted up for the role of getting the players mentally in the right place and making the dressing room atmosphere conducive of what you need to challenge for and win major titles, with someone whose a tactician and top class coach who has proven his ability to get the players playing good football and improving them to work alongside Southgate to mitigate his weaknesses.

That might be the solution as it's difficult to find someone who has both the ability to get the very best out of the players and create a winning mentality/ atmosphere at a club as well as having a tactical intelligence to be able to adapt to the modern game and the constant tactical changes that happen in it.

Those managers are rare, and to be honest if there are any like that available this summer then we will face an up hill battle to get them.

The club has also shown an ability to go and find top people like Jason Wilcox and convince them to take a sideways or even backwards step in terms of their job title/ responsibilities to come and work at United. Could they do the same with convincing someone like O'Neil to leave a managers position at an EPL club to become an assistant at United (albeit one that might have far greater impact/ responsibility than most assistant managers) . Maybe.

Like I said Southgate isn't someone I'd personally consider as a good choice for Manchester United, yet he might be the one we end up with.

If he wins the Euros this summer and comes in on the back of that success, and has a top class assistant manager like a Gary O'Neil or similar to run the training sessions and tactical side of the team then maybe it could work.

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08 Apr 2024 12:07:31
I don’t believe any Premier League 1st team manager would want to go to be an assistant regardless of the club stature. Wilcox role at a football club is not comparable with O’Neil’s IMO.

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08 Apr 2024 13:06:37
I think intl football suits Southgate shappy.
I would not be a fan but I respect the job he has done with England. He has made them competitive.

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08 Apr 2024 14:38:39
Ken, I'm not sure if you're taking the Mickey or not.

But england, with the talent he has, have been poor IMO. They haven't beaten anyone they weren't supposed to. When they came up against a big team, they have failed.

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07 Apr 2024 19:08:28
That being said, I’d have thought Potter might be on the FA’s shortlist if Southgate moves on? Any insights into that Ed?

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{Ed002's Note - He would be an option.-}

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08 Apr 2024 17:30:38
Ken, I tend to agree. Some managers are just better suited to international football. I think Jose Mourinho could be a phenomenal international manager. His style of play is well suited to knockout football, and he has always been more successful in cup competitions as opposed to league football. I think the ability to drop players who don't work in his system, along with the reduced contact time (making his intensity less draining for players), along with his pragmatic style all suit international football. Plus he has the ego to carry a nations hopes on his shoulders.

I think if Southgate just had that person with some real tactical nous in his ear and part of his team then he could have won something. Someone who can see how a game is going and think of the best solutions to developing issues. That's my one real hang up with Southgate as England manager, he is far too cautious and slow to react to a changing game state.

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08 Apr 2024 17:47:49
No I'm not taking the mickey at all.
England have only once won anything they are minnows in intl football.
Italy France Spain Brazil Argentina Germany are the intl powerhouses. Lots of other countries have also won since.
Only 2 managers have ever got them to a final and Southgate is one.
English players are fine under forgien coaches and alongside forgien team mates.
Put an all English team together they have never won anything for 60 odd years. Put a bunch all in one room together without their forgien teammates and they can't cope.
Southgate has a few talented players at the moment that's true but he doesn't have a top keeper or top cb imo and take kane out and they miss him badly.
I'd argue that every England manager for the past 30 years has had top talent but they never even got to a final. Becks Scholes Gerrard Adams walker Robson shearer Pearce Cole barnes all walk into this squad imo.
Why on earth the English think they should be beating the likes of France Germany Spain Argentina Brazil etc is preposterous imo. They are not beating them now Angel but when did they ever? So if you think his failure is not being able to beat better teams then I suppose that's fair but it's a stick that's unfair to beat him with imo.
I think this euros he has built a team that could compete as France are the only other standout team at the moment and he has got them competing against the best better than England ever have since the 60s.
I'd like to see them win something but it will be a monumental achievement if they do.
It's also not easy to manage a team that not only the opposition want you to lose but also pretty every other neutral in the world wants them to lose too🤣🤣.

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09 Apr 2024 09:16:14
Steve Holland.

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05 Apr 2024 02:24:35
Thanks very much for the swift reply ed002 really appreciate that. Do you mind me asking who the preffered options to Amorim are?

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{Ed002's Note - Southgate and Potter will head the list.}

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05 Apr 2024 09:32:17
Having watched last night's debacle, the idea of either Potter or Southgate taking utd back to the top is hilarious.

Both would be completely out of their depth and would fail spectacularly.

I'm watching Utd now for the laughs, not with any expectation that they can seriously compete or ever will if they are seriously considering Southgate (ha ha ha ha ha ha) or Potter (tee hee hee hee) . Oh dear, it's too much.

Utd should start performing at the Edinburgh fringe or at the London Palladium. Funniest act since Peter Kaye.

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05 Apr 2024 10:10:53
Out of those 2 potter all day long Jesus Christ.

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05 Apr 2024 11:50:43
Ye God's and little fishes. We are in very deep cack!

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05 Apr 2024 11:49:04
Hi Ed001, please correct me if I’m wrong, but think you rated Potter quite highly and how he did things differently in Sweden. Do you think he could be a success for us with the right setup?

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{Ed001's Note - yes, given time he could be. But is he likely to get that? I am not convinced he would. I am not sure there is any big club right now that would give him the time and public backing he needs to succeed. So yes he could be, but I don't think the conditions are right for him at the moment.}

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05 Apr 2024 12:15:11
Is Peter Kaye a tribute act?

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05 Apr 2024 12:33:25
If that's the 2 choices heading the list then dear me. Ineos clearly starting off on the wrong foot. Does the incoming CEO have a say in the matter as to who the new manager should be ED02 or does that decision falls squarely on the shoulders of the DOF.

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{Ed002's Note - The DoF will certainly have a significant say, but right now they are yet to appoint one.}

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05 Apr 2024 13:43:01
Ed001, the problem with Potter is that he failed spectacularly at Chelsea which is a similar loony bin to Utd.

Maybe he is a good coach but e doesn't have the gravitas or the temperament for the overhaul that Utd needs to go through.

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{Ed001's Note - I agree, the way the club is it would not be the right choice.}

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05 Apr 2024 16:59:40
I would rather ETH stayed than appoint Southgate. Awful choice.

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05 Apr 2024 16:07:04
Ed002 obviously the Dan Ashworth situation hasn't been resolved, do you think they may move onto another target or will they stick with ashworth.

I'm aware the optics of moving away from that after causing disruption may not be good, so just curious.

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{Ed002's Note - I suspect they will need to look to talk with Newcaste.}

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05 Apr 2024 21:52:46
Potters post match talks often reminded me of the dark days of Moyes and partially of OLes last days- that beaten, defeated rabbit in the headlights look that just screams I really don't want to be here the job is too much for me.

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06 Apr 2024 07:07:04
What’s your view on ETH Ed 1? I’ve mixed feelings, but I think they’re more in hope that he does well and succeeds rather than an expectation he will come good.

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{Ed001's Note - it is very difficult to judge him, he is being hampered by the club itself and the mess it was in, but he has not helped himself. His judgement on signing players is suspect and he seems unable to get the most out of the players at his disposal. Taking away the recruitment and putting a professional set up in that area will help him a lot. I just don't see a man capable of coping with the huge egos in the dressing room. Being strict is not a problem, both Guardiola and Klopp are strict with their players, but he doesn't seem to have that motivational quality that is needed to just get that tiny percentage out of the players. That is often the cause of inconsistency. Players are up on their own for the big games, they don't need to be motivated to give everything, they are hyped up ready. But for the grind of every day Prem games, there is a need for a little motivation from the head coach. You just don't feel that players will run through brick walls for Ten Hag.}

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06 Apr 2024 10:39:01
That’s why I’m conflicted, it’s hard to judge. You’re absolutely spot on though. I made a comment about teams like Liverpool, City, Spurs, Luton, Arsenal etc all running through brick walls for their teams and coaches. We just don’t seem to be able to do it. Whether that’s a coaching issue, or a personality issue with the current squad, or a little bit of both is tough to call.

I’m still inclined to say give him a season under the new structure, but he’s not helping himself that’s for sure.

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{Ed001's Note - that's the thing, he certainly hasn't helped himself. But you would have to say if the alternative is Southgate, then I would not want to change either!}

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06 Apr 2024 11:57:43
Ed001 it's very hard to judge for me I think it's best to change, that's not just on the manager but because we will be changing so much over coming months, if we stick with ten hag then things are still as they are in November December next year and you end up sacking him then it feels like you've wasted 5 months if you include pre season.

I agree on Southgate I just don't understand what he's done to earn such a big job, and if we get him and he has an awful euros it looks even worse.

Think it will be potter or Amorim, I think Liverpool may end up with naaglesman because they won't pay sportings fee for Amorim. I only think we may get him because sporting may be more willing to negotiate with us, I've seen ed002 saying about the strained relationship with Liverpool and sporting.

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06 Apr 2024 15:06:07
Those two are very underwhelming choices imo. if we are going to make a change which I don't want at least get someone who can handle the job and expectations and the players.

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06 Apr 2024 18:47:32
J just don't think these are the types of players that will run through brick walls Ed001. We have many very weak mentality players Nd although our captain does keep running and gets fired up (in his own way) he doesn't really rally and organize the players on the pitch in moments of adversity.

I could see EtH having more success with a fresh squad after the longest serving players have been removed. Much like arteta has at arsenal. His ajax team was full of players playing for him and running through walls. Not sure he will get that chance at man utd, but I would much rather see a big clear out and EtH given a chance to build a new team than to endure a new manager coming in and trying to pander rashford into trying a little harder and bruno into trying to keep the ball for longer than 3 seconds.

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07 Apr 2024 09:32:29
Another worrying thing about Potter is he hasn't worked since leaving Chelsea.

You would have thought that he would have taken another job to re-establish himself and his credentials.

Going from complete failure at Chelsea to somehow the saviour of Man Utd just isn't credible.

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{Ed025's Note - he may be just taking time out to recharge the old batteries MM?, i think he is a top coach myself mate..

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07 Apr 2024 12:39:08
While Ed002 would know better, it strikes me as odd if those two headed the list. Ineos have been clear about targeting the best in class. They've done so with Berrada, Ashworth, Wilcox. All of those are rated universally highly. That just isn't true of Southgate and Potter. They certainly have admirers but not without question marks.

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07 Apr 2024 14:02:17
Im not saying he is a bad coach ed025 and i can understand him wanting a rest, but it's over a year since he was sacked by Chelsea and you'd think he would be back in the saddle by now both to show that Chelsea was an aboration and to put himself in contention for another top job.

He certainly had something to prove so the idea that he just walks straight into the Utd job is ridiculous.

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{Ed025's Note - to be fair to him MM I don’t think he stood a chance at Chelsea mate. He probably got players he didn’t even want and ended up with a bunch of individuals who have got no team ethic..

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07 Apr 2024 19:15:59
Sounds just like Utd Ed25!

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{Ed025's Note - it really does Eric..

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07 Apr 2024 21:27:53
Mmm ed0025, that sounds like another club we know.

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{Ed025's Note - that will change when you get a DOF MM..

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04 Apr 2024 00:03:57
Hey ed002,

Hope all is well and sorry to bother you as i know you are very busy. Just on the manager front, do united still have a chance in hiring Ruben Amorim or is he definetly off to liverpool? Who do you think would be a good fit at united? I feel if he goes to liverpool our options aren't good. It feels as though the structure is being set up for an english manager though whuch in my opinion is a bad idea. Thanks in advance.

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{Ed002's Note - He is not definately off to Liverpool but Manchester United still have preferred options.}

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04 Apr 2024 11:48:50
There are definitely options when you look around, I'd imagine they will be looking for a younger more progressive manager whose ideas match that of the clubs (whatever those are now) .

Managers like Ruben Amorim, Xabi Alonso, Thiago Motta, Roberto De Zerbi, Arne Slot, Simeone Inzaghi, and Julian Nagelsmann are probably the most obvious options.

Although if Amorim is a serious option for Liverpool then I'd imagine he'd choose to go there over coming to us this summer. While Alonso has ruled out leaving Leverkusen this summer (I actually think that is the best option for him right now) .

Motta seems to be the hipsters choice, while Nagelsmann is probably the best option available all things considered. That is if he is to leave the German national team, if they win the Euros this summer then he might want to stay. While he might also have other better options than us this summer.

You then have the outsiders like Tuchel who is available (although he is linked with Real Madrid) and some of the younger British managers like Potter (outsider in terms of who the fans would want, but seems well in the running with those who will actually make the decision), O'Neil and McKenna.

I've even heard whispers of Ole being potentially considered. Although I'd imagine that would be a challenging appointment to sell to the fans.

The problem is that while there are some potentially very good options available, there are a number of top jobs open this summer, Liverpool, Bayern, Real Madrid and possibly Chelsea as well. Three of which would definitely be more appealing to many of the potential candidates. Meaning we might have to take our 2nd, 3rd or even 4th choice option if the others choose to move elsewhere.

So it might not be a case of is our 1st choice option a better option than EtH, but is our 3rd choice option a better fit than EtH.

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04 Apr 2024 13:17:42
OMG, the return of Solksjaer? That is mind blowing. Surely you're on the wind up Shappy?

I'd go for Arne Slot, just on the name alone.

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04 Apr 2024 16:37:02
MancMan, that's the rumour, how accurate it is who knows. Personally I'd be very surprised if INEOS thought Ole was the right man. Although there is a small part of me that wants to see that just for Ken's reaction 🤣🤣🤣

Of those I've listed above my opinion is that Nagelsmann would be the best option. Great record everywhere he's been, tactically astute, good communicator, experience at a top club. The only things that count against him is that he apparently rubbed a few people up the wrong way at Bayern (particularly in relation to his new girlfriend), and he has never managed outside of Germany, so we don't know how he adapts to different leagues/ counties.

After that it'd probably be between Amorim and Inzaghi.

Slot I don't think has enough experience, Alonso won't move, I like De Zerbi, but there is something about him I can't quite put my finger on that makes me feel like he isn't ready for a top job. Thiago Motta is an interesting one, tactically he is out on his own, doing things no one else is doing. While it would be interesting to see if he could get his style to work in the EPL or at a top club, it very much is his style and if it didn't work then we would have started to rebuild the squad again to suit a manager who does things so differently that there isn't someone similar to step into his shoes if he left.

I think he'd be great at a club just outside the elite sides in Europe, somewhere with a little less pressure. Where he'd have more time and freedom to pursue his style without demands of immediate success.

He could be similar to Simeone at Atletco Madrid, someone who has success by bucking the trend and doing things differently to the top clubs, but doing it so well that he is successful with it. I'd like to see him at a club of that level.

I'm not as against Potter as most, I still think he's a very good manager who can be very successful. I don't think he had the support or was given the time at Chelsea to be successful. The problem is that failures like that hang around your neck and heal the pressure on to prove them wrong despite the context or reasons for why you failed.

Pochettino has a near identical record in terms of results this season to Potters at Chelsea. Despite having a more settled club than the one Potter was having to deal with.

I would back the club if they decided to go for Potter, but would appreciate that he would probably be given less leeway by the fans who will likely be skeptical of his appointment.

I really like O'Neil and McKenna and think they are doing great things, it might just be a little too soon in their careers for the step up to United, especially at a time where the club will be in a state of flux. Maybe in the future with a settled backroom team, and the club running as a well oiled machine, then we might be able to take a chance on those inexperienced up and coming managers who look to have great potential. I'm not against the idea of hiring a manager like O'Neil or McKenna and giving them the space to develop, while also helping to mould them into the ideal Manchester United manager. But to do so we would need much more support behind the scenes for that manager. Experienced people for them to lean on, and who can keep the pressure off when things aren't quite going to plan.

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04 Apr 2024 18:22:24
Weirdly enough, I’d not be against OGS. Not sure why, it think he did a decent job. Also very much not against Erik being given a chance next season under the new structure. If he fails in year 3, time to go.

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04 Apr 2024 18:40:44
Ed, if you don't mind me asking. Do you still expect ETH to be moved on in the summer?

Sly sports reported Ineos planned to keep him, but I'm not sure if that's just lazy journalism as 24 hours before they did a story on Southgate.

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{Ed002's Note - I think that there is a strong chance that he will be replaced and the club options. Right now he is not the solution that the club need.}

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04 Apr 2024 22:18:05
Shappy seems strange that Real are looking to offload Ancelotti a couple months after giving him an extension no? Are Barcelona not also looking for a manager after Xavi announced he’s leaving at the end of the season?

Out of the managers you listed, Amorim, Alonso and Motta are pretty much 100% not options for Utd. Think the list is Tuchel, De Zerbi, Potter and Nagelsmann. Some outside shouts of Zidane, Southgate and maybe OGS.


Think De Zerbi is top of the list for Deco at Barcelona also high up for Bayern I believe. Nagelsmann could end up staying with Germany. So realistically think it’s Potter and Tuchel as the front runners.

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05 Apr 2024 10:48:03
Shappy’s whispers are as reliable as the game in primary school where you try get the kids to pass the same sentence the whole way round the circle 😂😂😂.

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05 Apr 2024 11:21:43
What's that song the cranberries had zombie.
It's in your head
It's in your head
Zombie zombie zombie hey hey hey.

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05 Apr 2024 13:52:52
Who would be your choice to succeed him Ed2?

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{Ed002's Note - Arne Slot would be a great option.}

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05 Apr 2024 14:12:20
Thanks Ed. Let’s hope the club are considering this.

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05 Apr 2024 15:19:11
To stand any chance of success the next Utd manager has to be a rare beast indeed. A good coach and a sound tactician, sufficient experience at the top level and with a strong personality without being a bit of an arse. Oh, and they need to have an attacking football philosophy and a commitment to developing youth.

That all sounds like Ange at Spurs.

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06 Apr 2024 14:15:44
Mancman

Spurs have spend 385 million in 3 windows on 13 players and no loan deal and all proper buys. They have no european football this year and were out of both domestic cups early on. They had a bit of injury issue with Maddison and Van der ven but nothing major. Their fullbacks are really good imo and have made a big difference.

He knows how to charm the press and talks a big game but let's see how they do next year with european football a congested schedule which will bring injuries and how he deals with first signs of real adversity. They are The Newcastle of last year for me.

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06 Apr 2024 22:56:02
You might be right Ahmad and when you put it like that perhaps I'm one of those who has been charmed.

Like you say, it's perhaps too early to say for sure

However, I do admire his approach to the game and he has brought in some excellent players which I think will gell into a really good team given another season.

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03 Apr 2024 12:14:00
Hi Eds, any news of us trying to sign Thalys, the Brazilian forward at Palmeiras?

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{Ed002's Note - Thalys (S) Discussed with Chelsea during negotiations over two other players. Barcelona, Spurs, Real Madrid, Manchester City and Manchester United have all sent scouts with Manchester United and Benfica both declaring an interest with Palmeriras.}

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03 Apr 2024 16:45:50
Thanks Ed.
I assume even if we do sign the youngster, he will be sent on loan to develop. Will work permit be an issue?

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{Ed002's Note - No the WP will not be an issue and MU do not have the structure to loan out youngsters at this time.}

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03 Apr 2024 21:50:57
Thannks Ed. I was thinking this for years why can't we sign players like Chelsea does when it comes to South American kids.

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04 Apr 2024 15:20:18
Very useful info Ed, much appreciated. I miss the days of the Royal Antwerp connection, perhaps with Ineos we may establish one with Nice . or perhaps its wishful thinking.

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{Ed002's Note - Perhaps.}

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