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23 Feb 2018 12:25:42
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23 Feb 2018 10:29:54
So the Manchester United civil war is in full flow at the moment. I was like everyone else watching that turgid affair on Wednesday night but it's a two-legged tie. If we get through to the next round no one will care. I get that the football is dog $hit at the moment but that's down to how our club has been run for the last decade.

Fergies handling of the squad in his last few years was atrocious. The handover to Moyes and Woodward was a disaster and then LvG filled the squad up with mediocre players. 7th, 4th, 5th and 6th have been our last four Premier League finishes. That's down to poor management and woeful squad building. Run before we can walk springs to mind.

Jose sets the team up cautiously because our defence is abysmal. We have the best goal keeper in the world. Sadly in front of him are two failed wingers a headless chicken in Smalling and an injury prone Jones. When Bailey plays he is immense but he seems to be out more than he plays lately but him and Dave are who you build the defence around. My point being is that normally a championship winning side builds from the back. Jose has been putting out fires all over the squad and has had to spread his purchases and couldn't fully revamp the back line. Look at Pep, he's bought 5 defenders and 2 goalkeepers in less than two years.

The one time Jose got off the bench on Wednesday was when we gave the ball away from the corner and they countered. The style of play is boring and slow because if commit too many forward we probably would concede a lot more. I'm not trying to be condescending by explaining this I'm sure you all get it, but I'm just trying to reiterate that this short termism sack a manager every two years isn't going to work for us. He's playing this way for a reason.

Liverpool, the pundits fall over backwards with superlatives for them. But baring a miracle in the Champions league, they'll end up potless. One league cup in 11 years. The great Spurs side that play attractive football with some wonderful players in their team will always be the bridesmaid, never the bride. Hats off to City though, long term planning, squad building, backing the manager and they're getting their rewards.

Whether you like Jose or not, he's bringing in a better standard of player and when he does eventually leave, he'll leave a better squad for the next man. And in the grand scheme of things in all our football supporting careers, what's another year or two to see if Jose can crack it, instead of ripping it up and starting again.

Take a step back and a deep breath, it's never as bad as it seems!

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23 Feb 2018 10:54:23
Agree with most of that Mumbles, but despite all of what you say, there is no excuse for the lack of energy, and what looks like lack of desire. A bit more passion would ease things while Jose builds his team.

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23 Feb 2018 11:36:30
You're totally right Mumbles; our defense is rubbish. Having said that, it doesn't concede that many.

However, the strongest part of our squad is the attack so why not make us of that and go on the attack. Also, we have quite energetic attackers who are more than capable of pressing high up the pitch. So, if we have a weak defense why invite the opposition on to us rather than try and play in their half.

The problem is that Mourinho is so blinkered and one dimensional he can't adapt to make best use of what he has at his disposal.

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23 Feb 2018 11:23:49
Nice read mumbles.

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23 Feb 2018 11:25:55
agree in part mumbles put I disagree with the reason why we are setting up defensively. Our strongest area of our team in terms of personnel is attack. Sanchez, martial, lukaku, mata, rashford, lingard and co is stronger than valencia, young, smalling, jones. So surely we should be playing to our strengths and adopting the mantra 'you score 3 we score 4'? When bailly returns and if we pair him with rojo I will be happy with that defence. I personally would give lindelof a run in the team and stick with him. That is the only way he will learn. For the life of me I do not know why Shaw is not playing. Young is and will never be a left back. We look so unbalanced and whenever we face a decent side Young gets shown up. Love his attitude but he should be nothing more than a squad player.

I agree that we have been atrocious post fergie and Jose has improved the squad. But we are nearly two years down the line and we still have no identity. We consistently chop and change the team selection and have not struck up many meaningful partnerships across the pitch. There is no energy and cohesion in our build up play. It is often slow and laboured and nobody is making intelligent runs. We have seen early on in the season when we move the ball quickly and carry the ball forward with intent and purpose we are a force to be reckoned with. For us to not take teams on is unacceptable.

This was Sevilla not Barcelona. All us fans want to see is excitement and entertainment. We are not even doing that. We are going backwards and we need to stop the rot quickly. Players need to stand up and be counted for but the manager must get the lads fighting otherwise our season will go to pot very quickly. I am not advocating sacking the manager I just want to see a plan or system and to stick with it. Consistent team selection and some passion, energy and confidence and this team will produce the goods. There is a lot of talent here.

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23 Feb 2018 12:20:04
I disagree Mumbles. Our defence isn't rubbish. And our record shows that. It is the way we play that is rubbish. we defend deeply and invite pressure onto our defence and that's why we look nervous all the time. If the manager plays the right tactics and trains the team to be more energetic and close further up the field, then we will not look so bad and we might even create a few scoring chances in the process. At present, the opposition defences are very comfortable with our play. Our build up is slow and ponderous, our attacking play is narrow and predictable, and our closing down and desire to win the ball back is non existent. And these are the reasons why so many of us are desperate to see change.

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23 Feb 2018 09:25:52
All this talk of style of play etc has echoed what's been on my mind for a very long time.

I've had a season ticket for a very long time at Utd, and enjoy the odd away game too for fun and atmosphere when I can avoid morons fighting etc.

However, it's all just extremely dull going to Utd and has been for a long time. It's a chore not a joy. Our style is no fun to watch, and I don't like the way the game has gone. I don't relate to the players or the owners of the club, and I am starting to resent giving them my money. Sanchez earns 5 times more Than me in a week than I can in a good year.

I can't recall a Utd match I've come out of breathless and buzzing from in a long time. I'll go to the Chelsea match this weekend and will come out after a 0-0 deflated, or indeed we might win 1-0 and pretend it was a "great win".

Don't get me wrong, it's not just our club it's all of them. And don't get me started on international football as that died years ago.

I'll always love Utd, and always have this romantic notion in my heart of what the club stood for. Sadly, today's reality is not the same and I have come to the conclusion I'd rather invest my time and money into my growing family rather than Woodward's coffers and TV executives etc. I'll still go to some games, but frankly don't enjoy it anymore. This feeling started during Sir Alex's reign before anybody thinks it's since he left.

All the best,
A Sad but also relived Eric.

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23 Feb 2018 12:24:10
Eric, I know exactly how you feel. It has been going backwards for some time. We have more points than last season, but we have also spent the odd million, so we should be expected to do so.
The sad and frustrating thing, is that in Sanchez, Martial, rashford, Mata, Pogba, Lingard and Lukaku, we have a fantastic set of attacking players. But the way they are being played and stifled, is the problem.

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23 Feb 2018 09:16:27
Jred, not picking a fight or anything. I admire your unwavering support but just how dull does the football have to get before you become unhappy with what you are seeing?

Also, you obviously don't watch football for entertainment, so is it just about the bragging rights for you? Do you come from a family of city fans or something?

I'm trying to understand because I come from the other perspective. I'm almost not bothered about the result, it's the joy of watching an exciting game which matters to me. More often that not, if Man Utd are involved in a dramatic game then the result takes care of itself because we usually have the better players because we have the bigger budget. It seems counter productive to shackle their abilities.

So, like I say, what do you get out of the 90 minute borefest that is watching Utd because at the moment I'm desperately looking for any sliver of entertainment I can get from it.

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23 Feb 2018 10:08:08
MancMan,

I agree with some bits of what you've written, but it's mostly this paragraph that I don't agree with

"I'm trying to understand because I come from the other perspective. I'm almost not bothered about the result, it's the joy of watching an exciting game which matters to me. More often that not, if Man Utd are involved in a dramatic game then the result takes care of itself because we usually have the better players because we have the bigger budget. It seems counter productive to shackle their abilities. "

You say you are not bothered about the result and you only look for entertainment? What was entertaining in the Sevilla match a couple of nights back? What was entertaining in the schooling we got from Spurs almost three weeks ago or the away game at Newcastle, where we were outplayed, again?

We were nil-nil with Newcastle for a while, did the result take care of itself? No, we bloody lost. Against Sevilla, man-for-man, we were better, so according to your theory, we should have won? Did we? We came close to conceding more than scoring.

Bigger budget obviously helps in getting better players, but better players will only play to the best of their ability if they are allowed to. A cautious approach will never get the best out of your attack-minded players.

What you get after 90 mins of watching a United game is a false sense of hope that the next game will be better, players will perform better in the next game. After watching the UCL game (in India, it starts at 1:15 AM and you have to up till 3:30 AM and then go for work at 8), you feel like you wasted your time, because it's not entertainment, it's not snatch and grab, it's just football played in a manner in which your team doesn't lose.

And for me, that is unacceptable.

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23 Feb 2018 10:55:32
Read down the page I've said time and again it was a crap game .
And argued over and over this is a very talented squad .
I don't agree we need to buy 6 or 7 players it's an awful squad etc
Thats proved by our league position .
If we buy another 5 superstars will we suddenly start playing like barce or city? Not in my opinion .
Does that mean all our players need sold? Again not in my opinion .
But that's a different argument to " are we good to watch ". Are we effective yes like most Jose teams .
Good to watch, pleasing on the eye? I've never said that.


But there is a middle ground and as always it's never as bad as many make out and it's certainly never as good as some make out .
But this is the Jose way, he will do it his way, will it be great to watch, not imo .

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23 Feb 2018 11:35:36
So then jred should Jose be the United manager.
We can argue he is a good manager but the question is does Jose fit United?

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23 Feb 2018 11:46:19
Jred, my point is you seem quite sanguine about us being crap to watch whereas I'm bloody furious.

I actually disagree with you about the squad. I think we have a decent 1st team but lack real quality in depth particularly in midfield.

Raghav, if we went toe to toe with the teams you mention I'd fancy our chances in at least two out of the three. We'd at least stand a chance of watching some decent football which would make it worthwhile for you getting up in the middle of the night.

It's getting to the point where I might as well go to an empty stadium or not bother turning the tv on as a blank screen will be just as entertaining.

It's a serious issue for the future of the club. Boring football equals less new fans equals less future revenue and we know about the importance of money in football.

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23 Feb 2018 07:07:06
Morning

My apologies I missed the game on Wednesday as I was on a plane going long haul. Also seems I missed the trial and execution of the manager. I was disappointed to find we didn't get an away goal, it was also a mistake SAF made quite a few times. However we are very much in the tie and need to win at home, which we are capable of. Of course if views on here were represented in the crowd we would struggle without the support. Luckily the crowd are not so fickle.
I can't comment on the game but we are still in the competition with a good chance of progression and there are some big games to come, traditionally the time to unite behind the team. There have been far worse times than having to deal with a draw away to clever Spanish opposition but you wouldn't think so. The manager will be judged on progress in the competition, with the club and first team as a whole, it is only half time in the game, see what happens rather than keep making a crisis every time we play. Back to my beer.

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23 Feb 2018 07:28:32
Sorry RedMan couldn't disagree more. I watched the match with another 12 United fans. And every one of us was disappointed with the performance and lack of ideas and endeavour. We could not string two passes together. At one stage, Sanchez was playing left back. The whole team looks totally devoid of confidence and harmony. It was really poor showing. De gea made two stunning saves and I would not have been surprised if we had list by two or three.
We didn't though, but the biggest problem is we didn't look or attempt to score an away goal. Which means the match at OT is going to be a nervous affair. Sevilla are no slouches. They'll come to OT and can easily score a couple of goals. They had 24 shots and only the brilliance of de gea kept them out.
I don't think nil nil is a good result and it was one of the worst performances I've seen from a United team in Europe. So make no mistake, the disappointment on here is highly justified.

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23 Feb 2018 07:49:12
AAA

It is a disappointing result and a big mistake not getting an away goal. Yet, I have seen far worse times as I am sure you have, plus a win in the home game puts us through. I recall we struggled with the 94 team including Cantona and Keane so the search for the magic formula goes on. It is two legs so let’s see the result overall. I have managed to locate WiFi over here and get on to find some on social media resigning their support for the club, would rather watch the plastics. Maybe we now only have 400m followers. Getting through may be harder but it is two legs not one and it has been far far more dire than this in the past. For me the Jose journey has some time to run and I hope for a better transition than after SAF.

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23 Feb 2018 08:06:52
I'll be honest. The manner in which we set out to defend and not try to trouble the opposition doesn't sit well with me and other fans. It also has exactly the opposite effect as we end up defending deep and conceding ground to the opposition. The best form of defence is attack.
None of us are deserting United and I realize some fans might not be real. But we have to realize that the mourinho style of management is coming under severe scrutiny. He's blaming everyone for our failings. Surely, we can't all be wrong and he's the only one that is right?
I hate the way our club is being exposed in the media and he seems to have no idea how to handle them. The place looks depressed.

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23 Feb 2018 08:21:02
With our confidence, Seville are now the favourites for going through. I had mentioned this earlier, if we score 1st then we will sit back and they can just equalize even in the 90th minute and we are out. On the other hand if they score 1st and sit back then it'll be very difficult for us to score 2 with our lack of creativity. I have a picture in my mind where we are in the tie with desperate need of a goal and mourinho using his same old tactic of putting in forward in place of a full back and just hoping that it works somehow. (Fellaini tactic can't be used as he is injured) .

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23 Feb 2018 08:41:06
Red Man, for me I don't think it's the worst result. It was how we went about getting it that is so disappointing.

We only had 6 attempts at goal, we barely ventured out of our own half and when we did we looked like we might get a nose bleed and turned back asap.

If we were up against a powerhouse side I could understand it more. But we were up against a team that has conceded more goals than they have scored this season, a team that has conceded the most goals in the UCL this season.

The worst thing is we didn't even do the sit tight and defend well tactic very well. Chelsea did a similar thing against Barcelona, and they restricted Barcelona to a few chances.

Yet we did it against Sevilla and we restrict them to just the 29 shots on goal. Which is 16 more than they had on average before they played us.

They managed more than twice as many shots as they normally do against a team that was only trying to stop them scoring.

The only reason we aren't 2 or 3 nil down in this tie is a combination of poor finishing on their part and a few world class saves from DDG.

It was probably the worst performance I have seen from us in a long time, although the result wasn't all that bad. Personally I would have preferred a 3-3 draw as at least then we have 3 away goals.

Looking at this squad and the team we were up against it just wasn't a game plan we needed to use.

We now have a pivotal month, lose the Chelsea and they draw equal on points with us, lose to Sevilla and Liverpool and we would be out of the UCL, and probably 4th in the EPL with a manager who seems to be having an issue with our best player.

It's starting to feel very familiar to how Jose normally ends things with a team.

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23 Feb 2018 08:50:25
Tell you what Redman, how about you go to Seville and watch a replay of the game then come back and tell us all how buzzing you are having invested that time and money for that experience.

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23 Feb 2018 09:13:33
Sailor,

The bookies don’t think Sevilla are favourites in the slightest but what do they know?

Snappy,

A hell of a lot of ifs there, including 3 Home defeats when we have 1 Home defeat in 18 months.

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23 Feb 2018 09:34:32
For me Weds summed up the José conundrum, most people are completely against how we played but we got a result. The style is not easy on the eye so it's not a surprise when we lose to the likes of Huddersfield and Newcastle.
I get fed up with people saying we are 2nd in the league as a defence for José and his tactics because it's where we finish in May that counts. If we lose the tough games we have in the next couple of weeks and we are 4th does that make José a worse manager than he is now.
AAA may have a point about the club looking depressed, how many players play with a smile on their faces, the players look miserable, Lukaku is a great example.
I think our strongest asset is the strengths we have going forward and I would rather see us try to win games rather than avoid losing them. I'm not sure we have gained anything by signing Sanchez due to the way we play, in fact it seems to have disrupted things. Sanchez is a top quality player so let's see him operating in the final 3rd of the pitch rather than just in front of our left back.
Like many I have supported Utd for over 50yrs and even when we got relegated I can't remember the style of play being so hard to watch. We have had worse players and worse managers but we have always tried to win games and for me that is the crux of the matter.

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23 Feb 2018 10:28:11
Shappy. did you say an issue with our best player? By that I presume you mean Pogba? Do me a favour please. yes we all know that he has all the talents in the world but he has been absolutely pathetic for the past month or so and Jose is well within his rights to bo**ock him and drop him out of the first 11. We have players like Matic who look absolutely knackered and on his last legs trying to do all the leg work and cover Pogba in that central midfield area. You just have a think about that. he earns 300 grand a week and he's prancing about like bambi on ice ducking out of 50/ 50 balls and not tracking back. If you get asked to do a job then you go out on that pitch and you try to do a job to the best of your ability which he clearly isn't doing.

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23 Feb 2018 06:46:04
Rumours abound that Jose and Pogba had a heated discussion and Jose told him to check whose name was on the Managers door. Apparently, Pogba wants to feel loved. It’s interesting that DDG struggled initially and it was tough love that has transformed him into the best keeper in the world. It seems like this is the approach being adopted with Pogba and he needs to decide if he wants to put in the work and effort to step up to the top level.

I’ve expressed my doubts about his ability to do it but it seems things will come to a head one way or the other. It also shows Jose has lost none of his swagger or confidence despite the Chelsea meltdown and is prepared to face down the clubs marque signing.

I hate watching us right now, Wednesdays game was a perfect demonstration of what we have become. It was dire but was it really a surprise based on what we have seen this year? Our forward line is as good as any but just don’t get enough of the ball. We have signed excellent players But suddenly they don’t look excellent. I don’t want to win trophies this way, this is not who we are or what we stand for and I will fight for the tradition and history of our club.

People are asking if it was between Jose and Pogba, which one would you want to keep, for me the answer is neither.

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23 Feb 2018 07:38:23
Agreed on most Tony. But I will definitely keep Pogba as he'll show what a fantastic player he is in a different team under a different manager.
Mourinho is picking fights with the fans, the players, the management, the medical staff. I think all this energy he's wasting on this should be channelled positively into the team.
How come pogba Sanchez Rashford lukaku are looking so poor? Maybe the manager should sit back and analyse his own performance.
Not all players react positively to tough love. Look at the way Fergie handled players. He gave Sharpe and Giggs a hard time and they flourished. Yet he treated cantona and Ronaldo less harshly and they flourished.
In my opinion, the person holding the club back is no other than the manager himself. And I'm really sad to say that as I wanted him at the club in the first place.

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23 Feb 2018 08:13:49
So let's say we change the manager and we are playing beautiful attractive football, satisfying everyone. And pogba, maybe, starts to struggle and not play well, having difficulties, playing up a little bit. Do we also look for another manager because they aren't getting the best outta PP?

Get outta here, he's in a united shirt and shoulld be putting more effort in. You can't take 38 touches and give the ball away 18. That's not down to any one manager, that's down to the player. A recurring issue over the past 4/ 5 years is players that have not been pulling their socks up. It's time to stop making excuses for players. Pogba has it All, it's down to him and only him whether or not he wants to show it.

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23 Feb 2018 08:53:50
The problem is that Pogba is our 'star' midfielder and all players have dips in form. The solution is to be able to leave him out the team and have other players come in who are just as good.

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Review Of The Day 23rd February 2018

23 Feb 2018 05:56:47
{Ed's Note - Tris Burke has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 23rd February 2018

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22 Feb 2018 23:45:56
Sad what happened in Spain tonight,
I wouldn't fancy going to Russia for the world cup. Something will have to be done before the world cup but what can and will they do to stop them lunatics.
No one needs to lose a life over football.

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23 Feb 2018 09:11:20
No. I was going to go on holiday in Russia this year. Realised would-be at a similar time to the world cup and changed plans.

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22 Feb 2018 17:52:49
For those that think we have a good sqiad.
Have you ever seen fellaini lukaku blind darmian smalling young shaw valencia rojo jones rashford or martial play any better so far in their carreers than they have played this season.
These guys are playing at their highest level. None have done any worse than what they have produced so far in their careers.
You have seen them play at the level they are playing at now ever since they signed for us from anything between 8 and 3 seasons Ago.

Are any of tbose players doing a whole lot worse than they have ever done. In fact in most cases this will be their best ever league csmpaign.
Jose doing a great job to keep them 2nd and in cups they are just not good enough to do any better.
Sure jones and smalling have an epl medal but were only bit part platers that year both started less than 20 games that season.

Bunch of average joes producing average resilts no matter who coaches them.
Lukaku rash and martial and maybe shaw deserve another seadon the rest should be sold.

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22 Feb 2018 18:03:51
Yer I have.
 fellaini lukaku blind darmian smalling young shaw valencia rojo jones rashford or martial have all played better.
Fellaini was better last year
Lukaku prob done better at Everton
Blind has gone backwards since his first season .
Smalling was better under lvg.
Young never let's u down always seems to be at a similar level
Rojo hasn't really played and is coming back from a ACL
Rasford has had a dip was better last year
Martial was better under lvg
Shaw was far better for Southampton.

Up until this season I hadn't seen sterling sane feridinho delph stones and otemndi play this well tho .
In fact I had never seen city play anywhere near as good.

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22 Feb 2018 18:14:22
Not far from the truth there, but you and all the other fed up fans must realise that it's not practical or sane to sell 3/ 4 of your first team squad in one season. Squads need to evolve. Even when City started sp@nkig all their money, it took them years to build a settled team that was capable of a sustained challenge for silverware. And getting the right blend of experience and youth is key - something we are only just STARTING to see his season in our squad.

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22 Feb 2018 18:26:32
Arnie. How many did city shed last summer. Think it was 12. 9 or 10 of tbose played 15 or more games the previous season so it can be done successfully in one go mate.

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22 Feb 2018 18:32:43
So jred all the players were playing better but getting a lot worse results. how can that be? comedy gold. 😂😂😂 i thik you just like arguing. But like our players you are consistently inconsistent. Southamton lol so your going back 5 years lol who was it you scolded for that a couple of threads down? Yet your comparing to 10 years on the thread below that. Go and have a lie down think you have lost the plot a bit today.

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22 Feb 2018 18:45:09
Fair point Ken, part of me can understand your argument especially after the disappointment of the last few results and poor, disjointed performances, however I don't think it's quite as bad as you fear.

Surely a team featuring De Gea, Bailly, Pogba, Matic and Sanchez should be able to play some decent stuff though pal. In that list we have the best goal keeper in the world, I haven't seen many CB's better than Bailly, Pogba was considered one of the best midfielders in the world when we signed him and Sanchez has consistently been one of the best attackers in the EPL for a good few years. There aren't many better holding midfielders than Matic. He's been an important player in two title winning teams at Chelsea under two different managers. Even Lukaku has been consistently one of the best goal scorers in the league for some time now.

In addition to that we have Martial, Rashford, Mata, Valencia, Jones, Rojo, Herrera even Lingard. I personally also rate Blind and think he's a very good footballer. We have a pretty decent squad. Not every player can be a superstar and surely it's about getting the right balance and getting the most out of some very good players we undoubtedly have.

In my humble opinion he needs to re assess the formation and play a system that gets the most out of Pogba, Sanchez, Lukaku and Martial. The only ways I can see this happening is to play 3 at the back in which we still get some natural width from the wing backs or playing a thee man midfield with Sanchez at 10, Martial and Lukaku up front in a 4-3-1-2. Let's be honest our so called wide players be it Sanchez, Martial, Rashford, Mata and Lingard all like to play inside anyway.

We we're terrible at Spurs but Liverpool, Arsenal, Dortmund and even Madrid have been well beaten there this year. The Newcastle game was a big disappointment but on another day we created enough chances to win that game comfortably. Ok last night was poor but Sevilla are formidable at home and I remember lots of similar European away performances under Fergi.

I agree with Slate we might have to wait until the end of the season to really evaluate where we're at.

It was a similar story last season as well. If we didn't win against Ajax then it wasn't good enough. We did and it ended up being a relatively successful first season considering Pep won nothing.

It's fine margins at the moment and if we end up with nothing then the arduous performances become hard to bare. A top 4 finish, FA Cup win and decent run in the Champions League and Jose can rightly point to progression and more success. Only time will tell.

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22 Feb 2018 18:49:46
Ken
You asked a question I answerd it .
Don't forget that the players you mentioned above are not all our players and some of them like lukaku where not even at the club last season?
He might have something to do with us doing better than last season as well as some of the other players you have failed to mention .

You asked when Shaw had played better he played better at Southampton. That not comparing.

Again my post about 10 year ago was about Ronaldo and co when we won the CL nothing to do with this squad.
You do know what compare means? Clutching at straws pal.

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22 Feb 2018 18:53:51
Danny i hear you i'd prefer 3 at the back based on the squad. For starters we don't have any good full backs to play 4.
It would not surprise me to win something but for me its all about the league campaign.
Would you be shocked if brighton and seville beat us? I wouldn't.
We you be shocked if we beat them? I wouldn't. That's the essence of a cup team. That's what we are and have been for 5 years.
Jose knows how to win. He will do it by any means.
He can win with excitment too. Chelsea and madrid in particular were very good to watch a lot of the time. But they had better players than us we are more like his inter team. Some high quality surrounded by averageness or even belie average.

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22 Feb 2018 19:09:16
Which ones are not our players?

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22 Feb 2018 19:23:59
They are not all our players we also have as Danny pointed out pogba matic Sanchez and co .
Just question after question.

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22 Feb 2018 20:02:44
Ken, I disagree I think we have a better squad now than when Jose took over. I also think we have the basis of a very good squad.

For me the issue is simple, Mourinho's tactics/ style is good at elevating poor/ average performers to a good level as seen with players like Young, Smalling, Lingard ect while stifling the best performers such as Martial, Mata, Pogba, Lukaku and Sanchez.

Some people have said that Matic has got worst over the season because he has tired. Yet he never tired last season under Conte. Although now I mention it he did the previous season at Chelsea under Mourinho.
It begs the question does Matic's performances under Jose happen because he doesn't rest him or does Jose's coaching style wear down his ability to perform?

I think we have some wonderful offensive players, but it is so often said forwards are confidence players, I think Jose's style has sucked the confidence out of them.

Your not telling me if given the platform to perform that players such as Pogba, Mata, Martial, Rashford, Lukaku and Sanchez couldn't play better than they currently are?

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22 Feb 2018 20:05:35
Didn’t José win the treble with Inter?!

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22 Feb 2018 20:23:10
Danny i agree with you i think we have some very good players and with the exception of ddg all of them could be playing better. But we have 7 or 8 players that imo will never do any better. This is their level and we have too many of tbose in our squad.
I don't want nor have i ever suggested that we need a team of superstars. The blend is not right.
Id be happy to promote tuanzebe perriera tfm to pad out the squad in place of fellaini darmian rojo. Then repplace carrick blind and smalling and young with a rb lb cb and cm. Being greedy a rw if periera stays in spain . So 7 players or just over quarter of the squad.

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22 Feb 2018 20:49:47
Fellaini rojo blind darmian not really played this year . hard to blame them
Not sure tuanzebe perriera tfm would get much action either to be honest .

Jose very vocal he would like fellaini for next season .

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22 Feb 2018 22:08:43
Im not blaming them for anything. i'm just saying they should be sold they don't contribute very much at all and i don't see them doing so In the future. They are tying up big wages and fresh blood is needed. They are all doing their best and always have done.

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22 Feb 2018 22:40:57
When did blind even play last?
What's he got to do with last night.
Good squad this most can see it.

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22 Feb 2018 23:44:36
I havnt even mentioned last night. I think we got a good result last night. I didn't enjoy the way we went about it i got a little less than i elected in terms of intent. But that's jose in europe away or big 6 away most of the time.

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23 Feb 2018 00:33:38
I agree with your list Ken except for Rojo. Left footed centreback, before this latest injury set back he was playing well. I also think he is a good shout for left CB in a three if we go with that formation change.

I think this squad is desperate for a Toni Kroos type midfielder and a right winger who can make something happen. I still think Alexis is that guy and let Martial and Rashford duke it out for the left Wing/ Lukaku cover roles.

Our fullbacks are also a weakness. TFM or Tuanzebe for rb, need a leftback to compete with Shaw.

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23 Feb 2018 06:26:41
Ken just because you have one example of it working doesn't mean it's a good recipe for team building.

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22 Feb 2018 14:24:48
Maybe Mourinho is falling into the same mistake made by wenger, who took the league by storm when he first arrived but has just rested on his laurels and not moved forward, i hate to say it but look at guardiola from that mob down the road, when Barcelona first used ticka-tacka football they were masters of all the surveyed and old pg tips boy could have sat back but he didn't, he's moved on, and brought on ideas of the 'sweeper-keeper', taking the high press game to the next level and the idea of inter-slotting midfielders, i hate to admit it but its true, mourinho is a great manager for sure, but maybe being surrounded by yes men is wrong, maybe mix it up and look at 'new' coaching methods could help, look at what lee johnson has done at bristol city for example, maybe look abroad for inspiration, just do something to change the same training methods from ending up with the players just going through the motions, the question is though, would the club give him the time to re-invent his system and style of play, because as we all know, united are the cash cow the glaziers' turn to when they need the sheckles., so msybe he's being hsmpered by the commercial aspects of the club?

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22 Feb 2018 14:40:20
I lot of people below got the knives out for Jose. A lot of the same people who spent the summer telling me pep wasn't all that.

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22 Feb 2018 17:22:58
So when people are wrong once, they are wrong every other time as well?

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22 Feb 2018 17:29:12
Not at all but the only thing that has changed from 2 days ago is a 0 0 draw .

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22 Feb 2018 17:58:32
Blimey there seems to be a tad of an overreaction to a 0-0 draw away t a tough side from Spain.

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22 Feb 2018 18:08:47
Deano
Do you think.

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22 Feb 2018 18:15:38
There's always an overreaction.

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22 Feb 2018 18:46:25
Deano, the result is nothing to do with it. Its the performance. There is a difference work it out.

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22 Feb 2018 19:56:20
Jose = Born winner 😆😆.

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22 Feb 2018 12:57:13
Just to throw a cat amongst pigeons. Picture this we still had lvg (shudder) and he had our current squad so had lukaku instead of Rooney. Pogba Instead of schwine/ snide. Had sanchez Instead of depay plus had bailly. Would united be closer to city now than we are discuss?

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23 Feb 2018 09:03:40
No one would notice. If we still had LVG all Man Utd fans would be following rugby by now.

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