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17 Oct 2017 08:31:41
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17 Oct 2017 07:06:16
A little off topic, everything seems to be either about how appalling the performance against Pool was or whether Jose will finish his career with us not.

Question for the eds and even the posters. have you any of you ever thought of picking up coaching badges. Especially the eds, your in-depth knowledge about not just the players, but the way a team plays and different way that they play as well. Your analysis are spot-on and you someone know how good or bad a team and a manager really is.

So, just wanted to know if you ever thought of coaching kids at the grassroots level or even training a team.

Thanks.

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{Ed001's Note - thought about it but they were too expensive to ever consider doing.}

17 Oct 2017 07:36:01
I was not one saying how appalling the performance was nor speculating on Jose’s career.

I managed a team many years ago but it became too much hassle, players not turning up or turning up late and threats if I didn’t play people, or play people in the position they wanted. At times they were not adult like but school kids attitude. It was in pre mobile phone days so my landline phone bill went through the roof (checking on players) at a time when I couldn’t afford it. I changed the way they played, moved a forward to the back and he became the best defender in the league. Still the hassle wasn’t worth doing it long term. No time for coaching badges, just armchair ones.

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17 Oct 2017 08:27:00
Ed001 that is part of the problem in english football. it is so much more expensive in england to do your coaching badges compared to elsewhere. we lack a serious amount of decent coaching at all levels, due to the cost and lack of incentive to do them.

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{Ed001's Note - very much so mate. It is not about bringing through the best coaches to the FA, it is about making money.}

16 Oct 2017 19:45:15
Ed’s - with all the recent talk of Jose Mourinho’s interest in Paris and PSG, do you think there is substance in the rumours that Jose isn’t a big fan of Ed Woodward? It has been suggested Jose feels Woodward has been too hesitant in recruitment and slow to provide funds. According to Duncan Castles, Jose also feels the club is run too inefficiently and bureaucratically. Grateful for any insiight you may have. Many thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - I don't want to get in to gossip and I explained previously there were issues - those issues don't go away easily.}

16 Oct 2017 15:03:45
A lot made of city's 7 goals at the weekend, they had a front line
Sterling Jesus and sane, sterling is the oldest at 22 years old .
How would them 3 do in the United team and how would our 2 young lads martial and rash do in the city team?

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16 Oct 2017 15:57:59
Good point Jred,

Jesus is probably the best of the lot but I don't think there's much between Rashford, Martial, Sane and Sterling.

I think Sane would be great for us whilst I obviously haven't seen as much of him as the Utd lads he seems to be more of a natural wide player than Rashford or Martial. He's left footed so maybe he could play on the right wing instead of Mata to add some pace and penetration to our team?

I think Martial would be fantastic in the City side given Pep's inclination for attacking football. He'd play higher up the pitch and be given more licence in that left channel to run at players and create things. The same could be said for Rashford.

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16 Oct 2017 21:20:32
Good point about martial Danny. I said before if he's forced to play as a traditional left winger, ie to track back and cover the whole touchline, then he won't prosper. He's a wide attacker/ inverted winger (or whatever you want to call it these days), who's also arguably our best finisher, and he needs to be played to his strengths.

And having poor excuses for left backs behind him makes matters worse.
That said, he can definitely try harder at times.

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16 Oct 2017 22:11:31
Martial doesn't make enough selfish runs to play in a pep team, prefers the ball to feet too much.

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16 Oct 2017 12:32:21
I think the press and fans are jumping onto the Mourinho not ending his career with us and blowing it way out of proportion. Jose has at least 17 years left until he is 70 odd years old and I think we all know deep down he is not going to be here for that long. I would expect him to stay beyond his 3 year contract but not stay longer than 7 years. He has previously stated he has ambitions of managing portugal and I can see him going to PSG. But i think we need to take what has been said in the media with a pinch of salt.

This, in my opinion, is the hardest job he has ever taken. To revive a wounded giant such as ourselves, under intense media scrutiny that united always have coupled with the need to play attacking and entertaining football. I think the key is to have a succession plan which is something that City have done really well. The club has been in turmoil since Fergie left and Mourinho has come in and has tried to change this. There has been a overhaul of the scouting system, academy and the facilities.

I think the idea of having a Director of Football is integral for us to move forward. In the modern day, there needs to be a bridge between the wigs on the board and the manager and this would make a change of manager less disruptive. Managers are not going to build dynasties a la Fergie and to an extent Wenger and this is something that the club has to accept. Personally, if Jose does go I would look to appoint a director of football and look at Pochettino or Marco Silva who is a fantastic young manager.

Of course all of this is speculation and pointless but I think we need to relax. We have gone to Anfield and come out with a point. Peformance was terrible but people are forgetting Arsenal and Chelsea just lost. We take the point and move on. We go again and we carry on winning. Pogba is intergal and I hope he is back soon because he tranforms our team.

Eds opinions appreicated.

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{Ed002's Note - (a) He has no intention of working until he is 70. (b) It is not the "hardest job he has ever taken" - Manchester United and Liverpool fans are unable to see beyond the red tinted spectacle about the glasses they wear. (c) The club were unable to appoint the Director of Football they wanted - and JM would have been happy with. Simply appointing one at random won't work for him.}

16 Oct 2017 14:40:12
Hi Ed thanks for the reply. What do you think has been jose's hardest job if you do not think it is the united job?

Am I right in thinking that we were after the Athletico Madrid Director? I was not not suggesting we appoint someone random but instead suggesting that this should be a high priority for us.

Thanks for the insights.

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{Ed002's Note - I am not going to get into anything about his hardest job as it is not worth the grief. No, MU were not after the AM DoF.}

16 Oct 2017 15:01:08
No problem thanks ed.

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16 Oct 2017 19:12:32
It was the dof of sevilla who we were after but he chose Roma.

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16 Oct 2017 22:17:32
The united job has got to be one of the easiest jobs in the world if you consider that the boards actions have shown since fergie left that as long as you get champions league football you're safe.

Im in no doubt the fans think differently and have higher expectations but the glazers, woodward etc have been quite lenient with managers post fergie.

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17 Oct 2017 06:57:15
DSG, really? Moyes was acid after 1 year, LVG managed 2. That doesn't sound pariticularly lenient to me. They realised they made a mistake with Moyes and sacked him and LVG was sacked immediately after winning the FA Cup. Looks quite clinical to me.

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16 Oct 2017 07:46:21
Hey Ed's. What do you make of Mourinho's Paris and United not my last job statement?
Do we have anything to worry about?

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{Ed004's Note - I never expected Jose to finish his career here. I’m expecting him to stay 3 seasons and after that we should have built a very strong squad}

16 Oct 2017 15:00:35
Neither do i, but hope he stays for a while longer. Thanks for the answer ED!

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16 Oct 2017 10:35:13
I always leave it at least a day or so before commenting on games to allow the emotion time to leave the system. Especially if I'm feeling disappointed by a result.

I was very confident before the game on Saturday, we have been playing well, while Liverpool were suspect defensively.

So a draw and what felt like a poor performance was disappointing in the aftermath.

So first thing first was is a poor performance? It's a funny thing that for most fans performance is linked to result and more importantly expected result. For example if you expect us to win and we don't then there is an automatic assumption that the performance was poor.

For me I think we have a tendency to judge a game by the standards and expectations we have rather than that of the manager, players and club.
If Jose told his players to sit deep, keep it tight, limit the space for Liverpool to attack, while trying to draw them out to create space in behind to launch quick counter attacks then how did the team perform?
I think that is exactly how Mourinho set the team up. He chose to drop Mata for Young. That was a decision based on pace and ability to spring counter attacks.
So did we play well according to how Mourinho set us up? I think we did. The players did everything asked of them bar being able to take chances at the other end. The Lukaku chance stands out. If he puts that shot away we win 1-0 at Anfield and everyone says what a clever tactical performance we put in. Bar one world class save from DDG which came about due to a momentary lapse of concentration from us Liverpool didn't have a sniff.

Now that's not to say that is how I would have wanted us to play, nor was I particularly "entertained" watching it. But every title winning campaign we have ever seen at our club has seen performances like that at least once or twice a season.

If it wasn't for City's scintillating form at the start of the season we would be top and the only unbeaten side in the league. Last season city started like this then ended up third. So let's not aware them the title just yet.

Anyone with half a brain knew that when Mourinho took over we would see some performances like this. Pragmatic defensive tight games particularly away from home against top opposition. So let's not whine about it now. And let's not forget we have put 4 past several opposition already this season, so let's not pretend we are being served up bore draws every week.

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16 Oct 2017 10:54:50
Good post Shappy, like you said we all knew he would do his which is why I am so bothered. If ever there was a time to go after then then it was last weekend. We didn't sit that deep first half and even parts of the second half, you could see the forwards trying to press when Mignolet was taking a goal kick.

I guess I'm just really disappointed with how poorly we played.

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16 Oct 2017 11:08:32
AJH

I just as disappointed with how we played. It was Liverpool team that have been very poor defensively with chuckles the clown in between the sticks. You can understand if the first 10-15 minutes were steady to get our feet into the game. It was embrassing. We made Liverpool look good. I could have understood if we had gone to the Etihad and played against City and tried to stop them playing their football. With Liverpool we didn’t even do that.

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16 Oct 2017 11:29:08
When Burnley had more of a go than we did then you see the problem.

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16 Oct 2017 11:43:49
My concern with this approach (other than it being dreadful to watch), is that when you are in a league with only one team in contention for the title, parking the bus is a sensible and pragmatic approach with neither side extending their lead in the league. The problem now is that there are possibly 5 teams who play expansive football and could on their day beat us and finish above us in the league. If we go for parking the bus against all of these teams then we will likely lose 20 points and that allows the other teams to take advantage in the long run.

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16 Oct 2017 12:11:02
9 times out of 10 United Liverpool are crap games .
We always say form goes out the window and are then surprised when form goes out the window .
We all know Jose can be a pragmatic coach and are then surprised when he is .
We have been playing some great stuff of late maybe not silky smooth footy people want but the the strong efficient way Jose plays .

Jose won't set up and get United playing the way city are but at the same time people keep telling me pep isn't that good a coach?

Jose is a top manager and we look like a Jose team this is what you get with him .

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16 Oct 2017 13:09:31
Great post Shappy you always find a way to bring some perspective to the debate.

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16 Oct 2017 13:33:29
We set up to let Liverpool attack us and then hit them on the break when they commited men forward, give them enough rope to hang themselves so to speak, but Liverpool never commited the number of players forward that we needed for this to happen so they were quite easy to defend against but also very difficult to counter attack against as there were always nunbers around Miki and Lukaku meaning they never got a kick.

Both managers were too cautious in my opinion but both will be content with the point and we move on to easier games with our unbeaten run in tact and an extra point ahead of Arsenal and Chelsea with a big away game out the way.

I disagree that United games against Liverpool are always boring, there have been some classics over the years, but generally they need an early goal to open up the game, if this had happened you would have seen both teams committing more men forward creating more spaces on the counter.

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16 Oct 2017 14:36:05
Man United and Liverpool last games
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1.1
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1.1
2.1
0.1
Quite often over hyped rarely a great game of football to watch imo .

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16 Oct 2017 21:34:04
Good posts gents.

Absorbing for the counter attack for me does not equate to lumping it up to the big lad up top, incidentally one that can't make it stick nor beat a man, not for a team as big and expensive as United.

Playing an overall weaker team in poorer form than you, and catering for their strengths whilst not exploiting their weaknesses, is also not something to admire particularly.

Lastly Sky, in their uniquely irritating way, have ridiculously overhyped the Anfield game for two seasons in a row now and it's ended up a washout. They need to chill out.

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16 Oct 2017 22:11:27
Shappy, you've got to stop being so reasonable and I mean that in all seriousness. Please stop being so accepting of a poor performance by both the manager and the players by suggesting Jose might just have pulled off some tactical masterclass.

Jose complained after the match that we were outnumbered in midfield. Was it a surprise to anyone that they played the three guys in midfield that they did? and hey guess what; they overran the two guys we played in midfield. Who would have thought?

We know Mkhitaryan gets lost in fast intense games. Not surprising he was pretty much non-existent so why pick him?

Then there's just the whole negativity of the tactics. What must the players think when the manager shows he has so little confidence in them to beat what is a pretty average Liverpool team? Not exactly inspiring is it?

You say we shouldn't be surprised by Jose's negative tactics in these sort of games. You might be right but that doesn't mean we have to like it and say it's Ok because it isn't. Sooner rather than later you've got to show your mettle when it really counts; that's the mark of true sporting champions. Not hiding in their shell because it's a little bit difficult this week.

And to top it all, our manager is still living out of a suitcase and all but says he would prefer to work somewhere else. Nice one!

So, I'm sorry Shappy but with the greatest respect I don't go along with your pervertedly rational reasoning that all is ok.

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17 Oct 2017 06:58:17
MancMan meet Beast, Beast meet MancMan.

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16 Oct 2017 09:31:21
On a positive note following saturday. Did anyone see perieras goal last night? Also pogs don't look like he's too far off a comeback.

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16 Oct 2017 05:41:33
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16 Oct 2017 04:30:09
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15 Oct 2017 20:12:44
A lot is being said about how poor a performance it was. And it most def wasn't great, but even with a poor performance livepoo couldn't score (says a lot about them) Jose is always going to set up that way away to bigger teams. Lukaku needed a better game but he also needed more help.

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16 Oct 2017 03:31:43
Exactly as I mentioned earlier.
If we’re bad what makes Liverpool? 😂😂
And Kloppity and the players keep saying they deserve the 3 pts. Deserve? What a joke. You can’t break ya down and score when we’re not playing 100% so nothing you can say abt deserving 😂👍👍 what a bunch of losers.
I think with our situation we go there not to lose and if we can get the 3 pts great. We are not a mid table team this season and we need to position ourselves within catching distance and overtake City. It’s easy to criticize and by all means do but think abt it; if we play like last Sat we are bad but if we play entertaining and lose there will still be people saying wrong setup, bad managing and Jose still not good enough 😂😂😂. So best is do the job which Jose did and fight another day when team is back to strength. You can never satisfy yourself let alone everyone.
Onward to CL and as long as we continue positive run we can’t be that worse off. Bear in mind we will lose a game or two in time to come but that’s football right?

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16 Oct 2017 06:39:02
How about we play entertaining and win.

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16 Oct 2017 08:35:34
That would be the best AJH.
I feel it would be i the following manner:
1. Don’t lose
2. Win or at worst draw
3. Entertain
Obviously it will differ from many people but I can assur you if we lose there is more criticism than anyone can defend 😂😂.

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16 Oct 2017 10:05:30
We've spent over 20 years winning and entertaining, why do we need to change now? I get trophies a E to mpirtNt but so is our identity. To be fair it was only one game, we have been one and expansive before that this year.

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16 Oct 2017 13:36:25
AJH,

We spent about 20 years doing that under Fergie but very much not in his last 3-4 years, do you think we have won and entertained since Ronaldo left in 2009? This season is the most entertaining we have been since then so I am happy to give the benefit of the doubt at the moment.

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16 Oct 2017 18:03:48
Fair point GDS, I did caveat a couple of my posts pointing out we had started very well. I guess I just don't trust Jose, don't really like him but prepared to accept and support him if he rebuilds us and gets us back competing. I think the second half against Southampton was just as worrying, we seemed to have no answers.

However, only 2 goals conceded, unbeaten, and generally playing well. Onwards and upwards.

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