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11 Dec 2017 09:08:52
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11 Dec 2017 09:05:43
Sounds like a few still haven't come to terms with life after fergy .
Not guaranteed success, changing managers etc .

I'm sure everyone is feeling sorry for some of the spoilt United fans .

We will have to make do with a manager like Jose, playing in front of a half empty derelict stadium, watching players like pogba who we bought for a packet of chips, surrounded by semi pros who don't pick up the best pay packets in the league but do get a packet of crisps and half pint after the game .

Bottom of the league, out the cups?
Where's the plan?

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11 Dec 2017 07:55:04
The defeat doesn't hurt as much as the manner of it does.
40 minutes and we concede and then suddenly our players remember young etc remember that there is a thing called stepping out of the half-line.
City won because they created far more chances.
It was a scrappy game and on another day it could have been just a 0-0.
We missed Pogba, but other 10 were first choice players, and you can't always have the best XI.
The issue was the fight and the lack of appetite, why did we not press them, there were so many times when De Bruyne and Fernandinho had all the time in the world to look for a pass.
We really lack a leader, Herrera looked like he could be one, but has regressed. You know someone who'll probably be disappointed for a week. That's when I feel we miss someone like Ferdinand or someone who'll give the players a rollicking when they play shit.
We missed Pogba/ Carrick who can atleast pick a pass, when Lindelof came on the passing from the back wasn't dreadful and maybe it was a game where Blind, Lindelof and Smalling should have started centrally so that ball could be played from behind and not the master hoofer Rojo who just invited pressure. It was like a bottom of the league trying to escape the not that great attacking force of city. This should have resulted in a far better result.

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11 Dec 2017 08:31:47
When we don't have pogba we don't look like anywhere near the same team


One player doesn't make a team. But atm whenever pogba hasn't played we seem like we don't know how to play we don't attack with the same intensity.


I don't think city will drop 12 points they are just miles ahead the way they are playing.

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11 Dec 2017 03:44:17
So apparently city and its staff and players were involved in a post match scuffle with lukaku was prominently involved in it according to Daniel Taylor from guardian and mourinho was hit on the head with a bottle.

If I were to make a guess I would say lukaku aimed for a city player and hit mourinho instead given his accuracy.

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11 Dec 2017 04:57:50
It is utd not it's.

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11 Dec 2017 05:19:58
haha good one CSM, no doubt it wasn't his fault either because the bottle was not given to him quickly enough or at the perfect speed!

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11 Dec 2017 05:45:34
Beast he has been so bad in last 2 games, can't score for us but had a hand in both city goals and had ddg scrambling with a near brilliant own goal against arsenal. Everton really mugged us.

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11 Dec 2017 00:37:48
What a poor result but I can't say I'm surprised. I was shocked at the line up and still can't understand why we changed from the 3/ 5 at the back formation that has worked very well previously. I would have understood if we had any sort of game plan but we didn't. There was no structure no fluidity and for most of the game no passion. We can all go crazy that we lost but the sad truth is that City have a younger better team than us with a fantastic manager. This City side doesn't look like it's only going to get better. With Peps style and the money he'll have to spend something drastic at United has to change if we have any hope of reaching their level. I'm afraid defensive football isn't going to win the league anymore. This City team is really starting to look like a title winning Ferguson team which seriously worries me.

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10 Dec 2017 22:50:51
The irony of us gifting two goals from set pieces is laughable. All I want to see is passion and determination from the players. It was a derby for Christ’s sake against our neighbours and title rivals. The players should have been harrying and pressuring city not giving them a moments rest. But instead we sat off and allowed them to play. We showed them so much respect and it is bitterly disappointing. The crowd played their part in creating a supportive atmosphere and the players and manager let us down today. What I saw today was not in keeping with the traditions of the club I love. City played the way we used to - with pace, creativity and passion. I have been Jose’s biggest supporter but today showed me that although we may win the league with him at some point, we will not do it in the United way. And that is not good enough for our great club. City have a long term plan and they are a club on the up. We have bought badly and our owners care about money. I would even say city are favourites for the champions league. What I saw today is one manager that lives and breathes a creative and beautiful brand of football. And I saw another that is happy to sit back and ‘hope’ for a mistake. That is the difference between the two sides. One manager see the beauty of the game whilst another see it in a more pragmatic way. We do not have bad players we have some fantastic skilful young players. If rashford and martial were playing under pep they would be flourishing like sterling and sane. It’s painful to admit but they have a manager who we should have signed after Fergie.

Where is our ambition? Where is the united of old? It died the day Fergie left. The club needs to take a hard look at itself if we want to get back to the top. We must invest in January and we must back the manager in the summer. I am sure after a few days I will be able to be less emotional and more objective of the situation. We must take each game as t comes and keep on winning. And then we must pray that our rivals do us a favour. Because that is what it will take for us to even have a chance.

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11 Dec 2017 06:08:24
I think that's a bit of an over reaction bud. Guardiola is no messiah and he has spent over 600 million pounds on a squad that was better than our when he arrived. We can't be great one week and and dog sh. t the next based on one result. sometimes in football the ball bounces right for you and that is the difference of a win lose or draw.

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11 Dec 2017 07:35:01
Park

Aims and ambitions. City want to have the best football team in Europe and dominate, become the English version of Barca, money is no object. Utd’s want to be the most valued brand with the asset value in mind, goals (financial) can be achieved by getting in the Champions League each year. Fundamentally that is the issue and arguments over managers, players and style are driven by that.

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11 Dec 2017 07:35:36
X Files - You are right, Pep is no bloody messiah, he spent outrageous amounts of money and got the players who fit in his system.

I think Mou was really brave with the line-up, I didn't think for a second before the line-up came that we will play with Rashford, Lukaku and Martial together with just Herrera and Matic playing in the middle, with Lingard roaming free.

From the first minute, the only thing that really pissed me off was that United weren't really going for the press on the city players, and I don't mean press the defence, but allowing De Bruyne and Silva 10-15 yards to run with the ball is just not acceptable. And they aren't running sideways, but they are running towards your goal. Heckle, them for Christ's sake.

Then, Rojo and Young hoofing the ball upfield towards Lukaku is just making him run for no reason. If they did want to play the long balls, then at least ping them behind the full backs, that's where the space is (coz of City's high press), no point pinging it in the middle because the defence will just sort it out.

Sometimes, during the game, I felt that United players are just scared of the ball or getting the ball to their feet and playing through the press. All you need is a bit of movement from the people around you and the press can be countered, instead, those players would receive a pass, and then boom! upfield it went.

City didn't carve us open the way people expected them to, they got two goals which on any other day, given the way United defend, would not have been goals. Yes, they had more of the ball, but that was expected from them and Mou doesn't play a possession-based game. So that's fine.

I think because we gave city so much space in front of us, our intensity suffered and we just weren't good enough on the counter and we always looked a little concerned with the press.

Lukaku should have scored that one and then Mata could have converted that, but that was some save by Ederson and I doubt he knew much about it. But, when you are the number 9 in the team, you are expected to bury those chances.

Pogba was a big miss, I remember him turning koscielny inside out for United's third goal last weekend and when he got the red card, the first thought that I had was, that we don't have players who can do that. Pogba would have made a big difference in the middle of the park, at least he wouldn't have allowed Silva and De Bruyne to run with the ball and City would have been vary of him on the break. But that ifs and buts and those will always be the case.

I think the title race is still on, maybe we have an outside chance of catching them (this is the fanboy in me talking, not the realistic one) but we really have to up our intensity and make teams believe that they aren't playing have-beens, we still are MANCHESTER F***ING UNITED and I would them players to realise this.


On a side note, make them watch the movie United, let them feel what it really means to be playing for one of the most successful club's in the world.

Come on Bournemouth, let's have you!

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10 Dec 2017 21:43:33
What a cowardly display. From the 5th minute Young and Rojo hitting long ball after long ball, even Rashford 15 minutes into the game edge of own area just hoofing it up to Lukaku.

Good players can't be happy playing like that, frightened to death to have the ball for more than 3 passes -that was a gutless display, if JM thinks that's good enough then he's at the wrong club.

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10 Dec 2017 21:55:45
Lukaku wow not good today didn't win a header . I know he had little support but hold up play until it arrives worst game in a Utd shirt. Sorry 😆😆.

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10 Dec 2017 22:07:27
Sadly can't argue with that Boyfromburrenway.

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10 Dec 2017 22:16:02
Credit where it’s due, City were just better today. The work they do on the rare occasions they don’t have the ball is very impressive indeed. Harassed us, penned us in and forced the long ball tactics. Pep played us perfectly.

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10 Dec 2017 23:26:09
Surely we need to start getting some real footballers in midfield in the kroos mould and try to gain a foothold against the better teams as we can barely string a few passes together and have next to no game control or possession against the better sides . We had a good start against arsenal but much of the game was like the last stand at the Alamo with the goalie performing heroics and today at home again unable to seize any kind of control .

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11 Dec 2017 06:09:46
Agree for a big centre forward he is poor in terms of winning much in the air and most times does not even jump. Ottamendi had his number all day.

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10 Dec 2017 21:10:00
Blaming everyone from the owners to the cleaning staff and the dinner lady, is a very convenient way of deflecting attention away from a manager who, with a win needed to close the gap on the leaders, sets us up try and soak up all that the best attacking unit in the league has to throw at us for 90 minutes, whilst hoping for a set piece, or a lucky knock on at the other end as the result of countless, aimless long balls up to the big man.

I'm sorry, but if Pulis or Big Sam sent a team out with those instructions, everyone, including us, would rightly be slating them. Why does José, after spending what he has, get a bye ball in this regard? He's now had two seasons to come up with something more sophisticated than lump it up to the big man.

The difference between the ideas and ambitions of the two managers, was laid out there bare, for all to see today.

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10 Dec 2017 21:49:43
Ive been one of Jose biggest supporter's but even I have to agree Noucamp, I think he got it wrong today! He reverted to type after two promising away performances at Watford and Arsenal! Maybe it's just a bit raw so soon after the game but I thought we were pretty dreadful! It almost feels as though the season is over before it's even began which I know is stupid. We're still in a fight for top 4 I wouldn't take that for granted either!

Another big game disappointment!

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10 Dec 2017 21:50:47
We need a plan and we need to stick with it. I like the 343 and think it could work well long-term, with variations depending on opponent of course.

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10 Dec 2017 21:34:37
100% correct. We can't expect to reignite the glory if we play like a damp squib. Out with the bus in with the Ferrari.j

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10 Dec 2017 22:40:47
Danny, I've never liked the man, but I could see the need to bring him in, especially after the LVG years of anti-football. And once he's here, I'll back him. But that was pitiful today. On a par with the Liverpool game, bearing in mind we were at home today.

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10 Dec 2017 22:45:54
Beast
Who would you get to manage us.

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10 Dec 2017 22:52:24
I don't want to get rid of him, jred. Like you said, we're not sitting mid-table. It just doesn't feel like a comfortable fit, for the club or for him. Just how I feel about it.

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10 Dec 2017 23:03:53
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Like I said to beast tho pal, who else is there, I'm really not sure.

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10 Dec 2017 23:28:06
That's why MU need a plan Jred, start targeting certain players in the youth structure, play a certain way and formation. Start buying certain players for the first team. Start playing a certain way, then you bring in managers who fit the style of play, not bring in a manager to change everything to play the new manager's style.

Doesn't matter who coaches the Barcelona side, they'll always adopt the same style of play. It's taught the same way in La Masia. It's a philosophy. MU need an infrastructure bigger than a manager.

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10 Dec 2017 23:30:56
Who's managing Barcelona's B Team just now? 😀.

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10 Dec 2017 23:52:08
Monaco manager said it numerous times mate. We need a young attack minded manager, all these "Winners" have had their day, the young guns have studied them, and improved on their mistakes. Give the Monaco manager £150m and we will have us playing like the Utd of Old. As you get older you get more defensive, even happened to SAF.

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11 Dec 2017 08:49:34
The Monaco manager? Who has won a grand total of one league title in Greece and 1 in France.

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11 Dec 2017 08:52:30
Syd
You mean like we did we lvg?
Fans didn't like it pal so we went down the same road as everyone else, get a top manager and give him lots of cash.
Also have a read up of what butt is doing with the youth team.

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10 Dec 2017 20:59:18
I've been with Jose all the way since his appointment but even I can't defend that insipid, ponderous, dare I saw cowedly performance!

As soon as I laid eyes on the team it filled me with a sense of foreboding and Deja vu. We've seen this before and it's never worked. Have no doubts this was a defensive, negative lineup!

Martial and Rashford were always going to play as auxiliary full backs. Lingard was thrust into a No 10 role in which he's never excelled, Lukaku was always going to cut an isolated figure up front. Matic and Herrera outnumber in midfield.

A more accurate description of our formation should have read 6-2-1-1.

Rashford and Martial are both CF's! Neither are adept at playing so deep. It's square pegs in round holes. It's obvious that when two of your most attacking players are so deep it's almost impossible to get out, especially against a team like City. When Rashford or Martial get the ball deep in their own half what on earth are they supposed to do with it?

We'd played some exhilarating football at Watford and Arsenal, with Young and Valencia providing the width and Martial allowed to play in support of Lukaku. He's brilliant in the final third with the ball at his feet! When he drifts to the left and runs with the ball he's such a threat. With Lingard running from deep and Lukaku in the box we're a different animal.

The best formation for the players we have in our squad is 3-5-2! We don't need to play that every week but in the big games it simply gets our best players in their most effective positions. Arsenal was the blueprint yet he retreated and reverted to type. I don't care what anybody says we were beaten as soon as the teams were announced.

City won that game in third gear. The irony being we gifted them two goals from set pieces. Huddersfield, Southampton and West Ham gave them more of a game than we did!

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10 Dec 2017 21:39:44
Well said Danny can’t argue with that.

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10 Dec 2017 21:48:29
I was hoping Jose would play the same formation as he did against Watford and Arsenal. I like it. I hope we play it against Bournemouth. I suspected he'd chicken out like he did against Liverpool. Never mind. We have to look forward to the next game now.

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10 Dec 2017 22:05:55
I was so so disappointed with today Park. Not just the result but the manner of defeat. I thought we'd a least give them a game but they just coasted through in third gear. We hardly made a tackle, stood off them and simply let them play. We couldn't counter as we we're so deep and I lost count of the number of times Rojo just punted it forward. Ironically our goal came from another one of his hopeful balls. Surely there's more to our team than hoping for a mistake or a set piece? In another of the games ironies they won the game in a way that everybody thought we would. It was supposed to be them that couldn't defend set pieces. Having said that when you can't even manage to string two passes together in the opposition half it's hard to get on set pieces in decent positions in the first place. Sadly we got what we deserved!

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10 Dec 2017 22:27:10
Beat by the better team today.

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10 Dec 2017 22:38:53
Agree completely Danny. The irony of us gifting two goals from set pieces is laughable. All I want to see is passion and determination from the players. It was a derby for Christ’s sake against our neighbours and title rivals. The players should have been harrying and pressuring city not giving them a moments rest. But instead we sat off and allowed them to play. We showed them so much respect and it is bitterly disappointing. The crowd played their part in creating a supportive atmosphere and the players and manager let us down today. What I saw today was not in keeping with the traditions of the club I love. City played the way we used to - with pace, creativity and passion. I have been Jose’s biggest supporter but today showed me that although we may win the league with him at some point, we will not do it in the United way. And that is not good enough for our great club. City have a long term plan and they are a club on the up. We have bought badly and our owners care about money. I would even say city are favourites for the champions league. What I saw today is one manager that lives and breathes a creative and beautiful brand of football. And I saw another that is happy to sit back and ‘hope’ for a mistake. That is the difference between the two sides. One manager see the beauty of the game whilst another see it in a more pragmatic way. We do not have bad players we have some fantastic skilful young players. If rashford and martial were playing under pep they would be flourishing like sterling and sane. It’s painful to admit but they have a manager who we should have signed after Fergie.

Where is our ambition? Where is the united of old? It died the day Fergie left. The club needs to take a hard look at itself if we want to get back to the top. We must invest in January and we must back the manager in the summer. I am sure after a few days I will be able to be less emotional and more objective of the situation. We must take each game as t comes and keep on winning. And then we must pray that our rivals do us a favour. Because that is what it will take for us to even have a chance.

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10 Dec 2017 20:13:06
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10 Dec 2017 20:26:05
Looks good I will try and get down to watch.

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10 Dec 2017 20:33:49
I could make a guest appearance myself, jred if I see you there I'll buy you an ice cream.

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10 Dec 2017 20:34:46
Are you wearing your posters names on the back of your shirts.

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{Ed001's Note - are you offering to pay for the printing costs? Only we need a sponsor with deep pockets to get Ed002's team name on the front!}

10 Dec 2017 20:38:28
Maybe sort something out nearer the time.

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10 Dec 2017 20:51:46
Ed I will help out in any way I can, now my pockets aren't as deep as kens.

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10 Dec 2017 23:17:43
Anyone else play much 11 a side?

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10 Dec 2017 23:18:56
Just make sure Ken shirt says, Ken the Irish pirlo.

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10 Dec 2017 20:06:05
ken you best get in training - you will be leading the high pressing game for my midfield.

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10 Dec 2017 20:11:44
Haha ken I'm going to have to go on 2 or 3 diets 😂.

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{Ed001's Note - what are you doing on here? You should be out for a run with a big sack on your back, ready for when you have to carry ken for 90 minutes...}

10 Dec 2017 20:17:52
Hahaha I'll be fine I'm in peak physical condition 😏.

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{Ed001's Note - you will be once you have finished the 6 month training program I have set up for you. Even Verheijen won't be able to pick holes in it. You will need to take the next 6 months off work but I am sure your boss will understand.}

10 Dec 2017 20:44:50
Deano we will be fine you know the story its always the managers fault when we lose and the players excellence amen we win. I must say it will be an honour and privilege to play under a soccer legend In the form of 001.
And I can tell you nobody will be carrying me. Well not unless they have a big crane😂.

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{Ed001's Note - that's why Deano has a lot of training ahead of him! You should know by now after a season and a bit of Jose, it is never the manager's fault if you lose. It is always the officials, the weather, injuries etc that cost us our well deserved victory.}

10 Dec 2017 20:49:41
Some things are more important than work ed 😉 I'm warming up as we speak. A pie in the microwave.

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{Ed001's Note - so long as it has gravy in it then all's good. Gravy is an essential part of a balanced diet and should be eaten with every meal, especially porridge.}

10 Dec 2017 21:06:31
I'm washing the pie down with a pint of gravy ed 😁 we will be sound ken one I've lost this 40 stone and you've found a way to get younger we will be all set 😂😂.

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{Ed001's Note - ken's experience will be vital. He must have plenty of experience at his age.}

10 Dec 2017 21:49:46
I can't be the only one thinking.

Is Ed002 going to be there?!?!

Is he/ she even human? Votes below!

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{Ed002's Note - Traditionally I spend June in California but I have some stuff going on in the New Year which will see me move house in England at some point in the coming months. That will be the driver for June. If I am in England I will make every effort to be there. Else my instructions will be provided to one of my assistant managers, or possibly to my Director of Football, to relay them to the soccerball team. I am going to see if it would be possible to get a video stream going on. Biggest problem right now is finding a nice floral print kit.}

10 Dec 2017 22:17:24
ed002, I don't mind playing in a floral kit as long as you supply it :)
Cheapest kits i can get is 14 for £99, they are on clearance, meaning we would have about 2 mediums, 12 xxl, but by reading some comments, that might be perfect for ed001s team ;)
anyways you have my email if you are serious about helping out with the video stream, the ground we are using has a nice platform for where they video their games.
#Ed2sFloralArmy.

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{Ed002's Note - I will be providing the kit for the side Benny. I will need to get sizes sorted out. My PA will look into it - probably in the New Year.}

10 Dec 2017 23:16:32
Ed your taking too many lessons from jose. don't be slagging your own players off in public save that for 002's flower power or whatever they call themselves.
Deano get yourself in shape. You will need it to chase some of my passes.

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{Ed002's Note - We are called, as everyone had already guessed, The Walham Green East Wapping, Carpet Cleaning Rodent and Boggit Exterminating Association Academicals.}

11 Dec 2017 09:05:23
I'm already in shape ken it just so happens that shape is spherical 😂.

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