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16 Apr 2024 19:26:15
There are hundreds of talented possible transfer targets. I wish for three things 1) a tactically astute manager who instills discipline into the squad and 2) who buys younger players who he can mould into a long term successful team and 3) gets rid of egotistical under performing current players.

16 Apr 2024 11:44:39
Donny back in June, sancho back in June. Their loan clubs aren't for activating the buy option. Wanting rid of these players is easy, actually doing it is another thing entirely.

16 Apr 2024 12:08:02
Tim I think at worst dvb will agree to cancel his final year and get himself a new club. Just a feeling I have.
Sancho will at worst be loaned out imo.
I think there is an appetite to bite the bullet financially on these. Understanding the dynamics surrounding srp would be helpful to you.

16 Apr 2024 12:17:57
Martial and VdB simply have to go.
Seems a bit of the unknown around Sancho and Greenwood. Can't see either getting a great reception if they return at this point but so much is up in the air.

16 Apr 2024 12:28:13
#spr sorry predictive typo.

16 Apr 2024 13:17:48
Again psr 😊 doh!

16 Apr 2024 14:49:16
We could maybe do like Chelsea and sell some of our property portfolio to ourselves. I can see big changes to psr as the complaints about it are getting louder, though the clubs did agree on them so not sure what they’re complaining about now.

{Ed002's Note - The changes have already been agreed.}

16 Apr 2024 16:42:38
Ed002 are the main changes to the rules around moving away from total club profit to a cap on costs for the players wages, transfer fees, agent fees and other associated costs.
I've read that clubs will be restricted to 70% of total income if you are competing in Europe while sides outside of European comps can spend 85%
Points deduction will remain in place for serious breaches I understand.
It was not from a hugely reliable source that I read it.
Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - It is broadly what has been agreed. There are broader penalties available aside from points deductions.}

16 Apr 2024 17:16:03
@ tim there are a few good articles to read up on if you fancy.
I just put 'psr rule changes in epl' and it came up with a few good articles. 👍.

16 Apr 2024 17:10:06
Thanks ed002.
Looks a positive change from uniteds perspective.
Appreciate the confirmation.

16 Apr 2024 07:41:33


Tumbleweed! has written an article entitled, Player Assessment At Manchester United

16 Apr 2024 10:09:54
No idea who will leave, and I'm not sure it will be the exodus everyone wants. But an interesting name is Antony. Olise is frequently mentioned as a target and you'd assume there's not room (or budget) for both. Trouble is players are seldom moved on so quickly. we've barely paid the first Klarna installment on this guy lol. Not saying it's not possible and that no player has moved on so quickly, but there'll be a massive loss I imagine. Funnily enough he's been getting a little more praise recently, for effort and desire at least. I reckon same as with Ten Hag, the powers that be will give him a pass this season due to the troubles he's experienced this time round.

16 Apr 2024 10:46:40
The biggest concern with any mass exodus is that the new recruitment team is not in place. If we lose, which is not unlikely, upwards of 10 players in the first team squad, we’re still relying on the existing scouting and recruitment structures to replace them.

I think we’re in a tough place where the players need to go, but it will be better to wait a year before splashing a huge amount of cash to replace them. I’d rather spend a season in limbo relying on a small squad with youth players than waste more money on players that might not be good enough in the long term.

16 Apr 2024 12:10:02
Danny 10 player mentioned in our 1st team squad there with only varane and Evans played any mins this season.
Those 10 don't need replacing and they are costing 70m pa in wages.
You only need to replace players that played.

16 Apr 2024 12:22:24
Bit worried about the quality of the bench in that scenario though. When City/ Liverpool/ even Villa are chasing a game they can make rela influential changes. When we need options we'll be bringing on the tea lady and mascot.

16 Apr 2024 12:44:01
Where they on the bench this year?

16 Apr 2024 13:32:19
I meant as a response to Danny really, filling the bench with youth in the absence of being able to afford to replace all the players we let go in one hit.

16 Apr 2024 13:52:46
I get that spenno. I suppose it all depends on what strategy the new management team want to adopt.

16 Apr 2024 14:40:23
Can’t imagine anyone paying a big fee for Mctominay. Max £20m imo as he’s in the last year of his contract. AWB and Maguire perhaps £30m combined or around that given they’ve both also in their last year. Lindelof £10-15m max. Casemiro maybe £30m max from the ME. DVB less than 10m. Sancho 30m max and Greenwood maybe 25-30m. Then smaller fees for Pellestri and other youngsters.

Think overall if all 15 are sold, would be looking at around 150m, some sold at a loss. Even buying 5-6 players would be a stretch of the budget. Would be looking at 30m/ player which means trying to find those hidden gems out there.

16 Apr 2024 03:15:08
Interesting to see Liverpool fans starting to turn on Klopp after just a handful of bad performances. We've been terrible since last January, yet there are still people on here who'd rather blame everything but Ten Haag for our abysmal performances.

I'm not saying that the way that our club has been run since David Gill left hasn't been shambolic, but pretty much all of the issues that Ten Haag has had to deal with are ones that his predecessors also faced. If anything, I'd say he's been backed much better than any of our post-SAF managers when it comes to transfers. They were still able to implement their own styles of play, even if not all of those styles were effective or entertaining to watch.

16 Apr 2024 05:25:27
redseven

What clag you're chatting.
Ronaldo?
Sancho?
Greenwood?
Sale/ investment?

Not one of his predecessors has dealt with the current pressures relevant to any of that, not one.
While I have resigned myself to the reality that he won't be here next season, he has had a very rough ride.

There are some on here who blame the players and the coaching staff for how abysmal this season has become.

16 Apr 2024 06:42:24
Ork

Ten Hag has caused some of his own problems with his inflexibility, lack of leadership skills, poor ingame management, tactics and what he says.

If he got his tactics right and we could see a pattern emerging he would have had an easy ride. He pushed for players he knew Antony, Malacia, Amarabat, players that made no sense Mount, he was given money and in Antony’s case too much. I no longer have any sympathy for him and after throwing ac19 year old under the bus he should have been fired yesterday.

16 Apr 2024 08:00:18
He, like most of us, is paid to do a job. He isn’t.

He tried and I wanted him to succeed but he is lacking in flexibility, severely lacking tactically, delusional in his comments and has started chucking young kids under the bus.

Sorry but I am firmly in the OUT camp.

16 Apr 2024 08:13:28
Redman

I'm not defending any of that, I'm just answering the BS claim that ten Hag has faced issues that were mostly encountered by his predecessors.
The 4 situations I mentioned and all of their respective complexities have been faced by not one of his predecessors - not one.

He has made some mistakes and deserves the criticism for them, but let's not all talk clag.

16 Apr 2024 10:11:28
Ork. Greenwood was arrested during Rangnick’s tenure, not Ten Haag’s. The lad was never once available for the Dutch disaster, so not like he suddenly had to adapt his non-existent strategy because of the loss. Even if he did, Ragnick also had to deal with this issue.

Ronaldo came in under Ole, who was then forced to find a way to shoehorn him into the starting eleven. The discontent and disruption caused by Ronaldo’s arrival cost Ole his job, so it seems fair to say that he had to deal with this issue. Ten Haag actually had a chance to solve the problem right after he got started, but opted to block Ronaldo’s departure, thus creating an even bigger for himself further down the line.

The Sancho issue was another one caused by Ten Haag. None of his predecessors had to deal with Sancho specifically, but we’ve had our fair share of problematic players over the years. Pogba and Di Maria immediately spring to mind. The former was seemingly backed over Jose, so again Ten Haag actually had it easy when compared to some of those who came before him.

As for recruitment, Ten Haag has been backed more than any of our managers since SAF left. By all accounts, most of our signings have been his choices, and although we are currently dealing with financial constraints that have left us thin in certain parts of the pitch, that’s in large down to us overspending on Ten Haag’s terrible targets. Had he not been too stubborn to work with Ragnick (who had identified plenty of cheaper and better players than the dross we’ve signed under Ten Haag) we wouldn’t be in this mess.

The only one talking “clag” here is you, fella.

16 Apr 2024 10:19:14
Think many Liverpool fans are questioning the timing/ need to announce Klopp's departure so quickly rather than anything else, which I can understand.

16 Apr 2024 10:27:19
Yeah I'm qu6ote sure when klopp leaves nobody will turn up.
Nonsense to say Liverpool fans are turning on him. The man is adored and rightly so after what he's done for the club.
If they only win the league cup fans will be a little discounted I'm sure but imo they are the 3rd best team.
I don't believe that they are turning on him at all. You will always get the odd idiot but klopps Liverpool legacy is very firmly intact as it should be.

16 Apr 2024 10:33:12
There will always be noise around the United manager. Always.
Eth has not had I think either than anybody else.
He created the ronaldo and sancho situations himself and had nobody else to blame for either imo.
I'm mot saying he necessarily did the wrong thing but he created and put oil on those fires imo.
The takeover was difficult for him I'm sure.
The Greenwood issue happened before he arrived
Eth has had the same issues and noise all united managers face.
He did OK with some and bits so OK with others imo.
Imo eth does not use the power of silence enough.

16 Apr 2024 10:41:39
Ken. A lot of people over on the Liverpool page are now saying that Klopp isn’t good enough tactically and that it’s time for a new manager. His substitutions are bad and it’s his fault that the strikers aren’t putting their chances away.

I think a big part of this is down to them trying to take the sting out of his departure and agree that his legacy will remain intact regardless of how the rest of the season goes, but the general tone over there is pretty negative considering they’re only two points off first place and still have a chance of winning a treble (I don’t think they’ll turn things around in Italy, but wouldn’t bet against it) .

16 Apr 2024 12:01:09
The booked stops with the manager, why so many apologists and clag chattery. The lack of accountability and responsibility in modern discourse is saddening. It’s ok to accept someone has failed, it’s not personal. ❄️

So many well put points highlighting EtHs shortcomings above. The man’s not done it, end of story.

16 Apr 2024 13:13:32
Tumble
The power of silence is apt. If ETH hadn’t commented on Sancho it would likely have not escalated and then throwing Garnacho under the bus just was uncalled for. I think he is under pressure and is throwing out excuses and blaming players. To do it to a 19 yr old who has run his bloody socks off for him has really annoyed me. ETH should have kept it shut and that outburst should have been the end of him or hopefully will be.

16 Apr 2024 13:35:56
Not too clever of garnacho either though redman.

I agree on eth it should be another nail in his coffin.

16 Apr 2024 13:50:00
Tumble

Agreed Garnacho should not have liked the tweets. Young angry and frustrated but should not have done it
If ETH drops him for the next game that will be a nail in his coffin as well. You wonder if ETH will just be tough and lack finesse in leadership after it. Needs to handle it carefully and sensitively and not with size 11 boots like he has, except for those that are his favourites of course. We shall see.

16 Apr 2024 14:50:15
Redman I read a theory that eth is looking for a row with garnacho that would enable him to play Anthony.
I don't buy into that at all but nothing would surprise me.
I can't imagine he will be dropped for the semi final so that eth can turn to Anthony.
I think that theory will be well and truly put to bed as BS at the weekend.

16 Apr 2024 18:40:46
Tumble

That would be extreme, can’t see that as such, however, maybe he can use the argument, look at Antony, so stable and reliable, does what I ask him.

I think we don’t know what ETH will do, he reacts aggressively so it wouldn’t surprise me to see Garnacho on the bench, with an excuse he is tired, the opposition are physical. Garnacho has been our out ball, he is being asked to get at the opposition defence, not have any cover whilst doing it, then has to make 80 yard runs to cover others that jog back.

I think on balance Garnacho will start, but if ETH takes him off again like he did last weekend, I suspect we may see the lad start thinking of Real Madrid, who will welcome him with open arms.

16 Apr 2024 20:15:05
redseven

Mate, understand what I'm saying about dynamics.

Greenwood was arrested during Rangnick's tenure and was swiftly suspended. The situation was, for the club, a set condition.
When the charges were dropped, ten Hag was in situ and has since had indecision from upstairs regarding the player - a dynamic that makes this situation unique to ten Hag.

Ronaldo, irrespective of what was said or promised before, decided to conduct that pathetic interview during ten Hag's tenure.
That situation is one that is unique to ten Hag.

You've avoided conceding how unique the Sancho situation is because you're instead conceding no leg to stand on.

Pogba had an argument with Mourinho on the training ground being filmed by a sneaky peeker - that's not a public fallout and therefore a very weak comparison.

Di Maria?
Mate, really? I'm not even going there.

At no point have I said he's not made mistakes, there's a litany of poor decisions, but there are incredibly pertinent dynamics being ignored.

No other manager in our history has had to deal with severe indecision at board level, plus all the subsequent complications, regarding a player who's had serious allegations of a violent nature dropped - not Rangnick or anyone else.

No other manager in our history has had a player dig out their manager and employers on a TV interview - not Ole or Rangnick or anyone else.

No other manager in our history has had their authority publicly challenged on a prime social media platform in the manner displayed by Sancho.

I'm not saying he didn't make things worse for himself, but he has had a rather unique set of complications to deal with.

Perhaps my suggestion that you're chatting clag was a bit bitey, but I 100% stand by what I've just written now - he's had a rough ride that categorically is not all his own doing.
I'm chatting facts - straight up, irrefutable facts.

I think the overarching point being missed is that there are all these managers - some with vast and glorious experience - who have found cliques of players who are perfectly happy to scorch the reputations of anyone who dares stand up to them.
That's not to say the managers have been faultless, but the common denominator is blatantly obvious - precious little runts who probably couldn't spell the word 'professional' throwing every toy they can to get their way.

The significant changes needed at the club do not end at the dugout.
Until the player-power culture has been eradicated there is no hope for any manager of Manchester United - there's another straight up fact.

Where we certainly do agree is on ten Hag's future at season's end - it won't be at OT.

16 Apr 2024 21:01:58
Difference between criticising ETH and Garnacho is that the former is a mature guy with decades of experoand the latter a young guy learning his trade. ETH should have censured Garnacho in private.

14 Apr 2024 22:58:56
It's been said before but unai emery really is a fantastic coach. There's no chance we could get him but he should be on any list we have. Everywhere he goes he has success (other than an unlucky stint at Arsenal), and his teams have a clear style and substance to them. I'm sure he's having a very good ebening tonight 😂.

15 Apr 2024 07:09:32
But according to many on here, only months ago we have already got a fantastic coach, yes appears now many have changed there minds! Over a year ago I named the players who were not good enough that included AWB McT McG etc etc, I was given pelters again many have changed there mind. nice you finally woken up and smelled the coffee that ETH is out of his depth.

I was also given stick for questioning ETH demeanour also ability to fall out with everyone, you all said he was a disciplinarian and doing great at it. How’s that looking now?

These players are not as bad as you all say, they are just being told to play with a terrible game plan and tactics and awful coaching. A decent manager would get a lot more from them.

Bruno and Rashford are probably our best two players but you all fallen under this spell that they are rubbish, they are not rubbish it’s what they're being ask to do, same with Casermiro, he is hardly rubbish. but of course the lambs follow.

15 Apr 2024 07:38:45
I'll take Ross county's manager at this point.

15 Apr 2024 08:45:48
Romanian what nonsense about Rashford

He ain’t rubbish he’s absolutely useless and lazy and spineless

Yes ETH isn’t blameless.

15 Apr 2024 12:43:32
Brilliant post Romanian Maverick. On behalf of all of the posters on this forum, thank you for sharing your valuable insights with us, oh wise one.

It’s good to know that none of this is the players fault. I will take back anything I’ve said about Rashford’s work ethic and Martial’s laziness. Rangnick, Ole, Jose and LVG are all to blame. Damn those managers, it’s a miracle that they’ve managed to win league titles and champions leagues before they came to United.

Also thanks for the heads up on “McG”. I haven’t heard of him before, but will surely check him out.

15 Apr 2024 13:03:46
Wazza I think we got a couple of those managers a little past their sell by date in Jose and lvg.
None of our managers let go since fergie have won anything of note since they left and been fired from their subsequent jobs too. Of course only some of them even got another job.
I think it was right they were fired.
Jose did an OK job apart from that eth had a good 1st season.
Lots of our players that were deemed useless and toxic and sold have gone on to win titles and plenty of them.
I'd say the coaches were a bigger problem than the players. Their winning pedigree since their various departures would uphold that view somewhat imo.
I'm not suggesting that all the players are right for united but neither is the manager we have imo.

15 Apr 2024 17:40:42
Its a shame that sarcasm doesn't come through in a different colour font Ken.

15 Apr 2024 17:57:18
If you seriously think that ETH is this such a strong character and full of discipline, don’t you think for one minute he would drop Rashford if he was not doing exactly as ETH is telling him to do… maybe use some more brain power on thinking why he is picked for every game, I’m told he is the best trainer at the club, so hardly lazy!

BTW I said Sancho was an awful waste of money because his attitude…got that right too, even though one big poster on here told me time and time again I did not know what I was talking about he he is great and you even backed him up…. How that turn out!

15 Apr 2024 23:26:42
Wazza, sarcasm is in black text on this site.

16 Apr 2024 18:55:56
Romanian maverick

I didn’t want Sancho and said so on here, I suggested Ousmane Dembele, to much derision.