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08 Aug 2020 12:12:46
In all honesty, I hope our board mess the Sancho deal up and we don't end up buying him. If we miss out on him I'll be delighted. I feel like he's nowhere near worth the money involved and his stats are decieving. If you watch most of his goals or assists, the defending and goalkeeping is atrocious. I can't see him getting anywhere near as many goals and assists in our team. Nor can I see him getting as good numbers as Greenwood if we left Greenwood on the right for a season.

Furthermore, he clearly goes against the "Ethics" that the current Ole supporters uphold. As a fanbase we currently want to see our players fighting for our badge, because we're so sick of the players who are just here for the money. Sancho wants to play for Chelsea but he'd probably end up moving to us solely because we're the only team stupid enough to consider paying the ridiculous agent fee, transfer fee, and putting him on big wages.

The large transfer fee would put him under immense pressure to perform and what happens if he doesn't perform and isn't better than Greenwood/ Martial/ Rashford? Are better players going to be benched solely because of his transfer fee? Just like when Martial was sidelined for Sanchez/ Lukaku/ Ibra. Let's find a different winger who doesn't upset the balance of the squad.

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08 Aug 2020 14:04:18
While I have concerns over the sheer cost of the deal, and a minor concern due to a few reports about him missing training. I think he is clearly a hugely talented player, while his numbers might be elevated due to poor defending in the Bundesliga he has still had two seasons worth of great return in terms of offensive output. More than comparable to some of the best players in the Bundesliga both currently and in the recent past. Only Lewandowski had more goal involvements this season, meaning he has out performed Gnarby, Coman, Muller etc this season, while his individual achievements this season in terms of goals and assists more than match those of Ribery and Robben two world class wingers.

So I think he is clearlt a gifted player, and while I doubt we would be seeing 20 goals and 20 assist a season if he moved to us, he would still be a key player in our attack.

There are concerns over price, over his professionalism and over whether he really wants to join us, which in my opinion make me question whether we really should pursue a deal at such a high expense. That said if he reaches his potential then he could be a Balon d'Or winner in a few years time. He is in the same bracket as players like Mbappe.

08 Aug 2020 17:17:25
The thing about Sancho is that he is not even close to his peak and is still showing some real consistency.

Him along with Martial, Greenwood will form a strong core of players for us to build the team around.

08 Aug 2020 18:27:38
I agree in everything Shappy says. Maybe Sancho if he comes will complete our attack because he has something our other players dont, he is very good in tight spaces. I prefer this type of player to Empampe, empampe although a top player reminds me of Bale, plays with his pace, not much tricks and notba creator like Jadon, i prefer Sanchos style.

08 Aug 2020 19:13:25
Mbappe is the best young player there is anywhere in the word right now. Truly incredible footballer.

09 Aug 2020 00:15:57
These are professional footballers. Do you seriously think he won't put a shift in because he supports Chelsea? How many top-level footballers play for the team they supported?

09 Aug 2020 02:45:08
Empampe isn’t a player I’m familiar with, maybe we should be signing him?

06 Aug 2020 10:34:46
Ed001 if you are about can I get your thoughts on Tah as a player?

{Ed001's Note - I quite like him, though it must be said the level of defending in the Bundesliga is low, so standing out there might not necessarily mean he is as good as he is made to look! However I always look at him and think he looks better than the league. I am constantly surprised he is still at Leverkusen, I would have thought a team like Bayern would have brought him in, but I suppose they might not consider him good enough on the ball. There are times I have watched him and thought he looked a bit clumsy on the ball, but no more than a little clumsy.}

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06 Aug 2020 12:24:59
I agree about the level of defending in the bundesliga ed001, was watching some youtube compilations of jadon sancho and i was amazed at how many times dortmund got into 4 vs 3, 3 vs 2, 2 vs 1 etc situations.

That might in part be due to their attacking style that is fast paced and incisive but can't help but feeling Bundesliga defences wouldn't half benefit from dropping 5 yards lol.

05 Aug 2020 07:42:27
How do city do it? Torres for 20 million, we really are amatures.

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05 Aug 2020 09:58:16
Valencia didn't want to sell to a domestic rival, and City were one of the few prepared to stump up the cash. I expect they have paid a fair whack in agents fees. Pretty sure the Torres only had a year left on his contract.

06 Aug 2020 07:14:01
He scored 6 goals last season, hardly worth a huge amount.

02 Aug 2020 21:07:28
I see Sky Italy are saying that conte could be leaving Inter at the end of this season. Seems eerily similar to his fallout at Chelsea. He seems to create issues with the board wherever he goes, he's a decent coach but his negativity makes him hard to work with.

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03 Aug 2020 17:55:15
Conte is a passionate man and he knows what he needs, if he feels Inter won't give him what he needs then he will walk.

03 Aug 2020 19:34:36
Don’t know Shappy. He is clearly a talented manager, but there is more to management than passion. You have to pick your battles.

31 Jul 2020 22:21:48
Eds

Is there a reason my post to mumbles BFRO and ed002 wasnt posted yesterday?

{Ed047's Note - I can see the post you are talking about Cheshire but as it was deleted i have no idea what the rest of the thread was about to give you a reason why.

So apologies but can’t help you on that one.

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01 Aug 2020 19:32:38
Cheshirered. You must have been a very naughty boy. 😂.

31 Jul 2020 20:14:16
Ralph Ragnick has left RB Leipzeg, any idea where he has gone?

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01 Aug 2020 06:19:15
Home I'd imagine 👍.

01 Aug 2020 12:50:49
He was off to Milan i think but that's off now.

28 Jul 2020 09:58:25
Jack Grealish, is he what we need?

While I appreciate he has some skills we are lacking. Specifically a No.10 who can dribble past opponents.

Yet its a transfer that doesn't seem to fit our requirements.

The positions he can play are No.10 and left wing. Which puts him in direct competition with Bruno and Rashford. Both of which have as many assists and more goals than Grealish. Which when you consider one didn't join until January and the other spent nearly 3 months out injured. Highlights that Grealish isn't as productive as them two.

Should we spend 60-80m on a player to sit on the subs bench?

Personally I would say RW and CB are the top priorities, followed by a creative midfielder who can cover BOTH Pogba and Bruno without such a drop off in quality as we have currently with Andreas Pereira and Lingard.

For me the ability of the player to cover Pogba is more important than the ability to cover Bruno. Firstly, Pogba might not be a long term solution in our first team. Secondly, the biggest issue we have had this season is progressing the ball from midfield.

Grealish doesn't solve this issue.

One final point, if we are aiming to be at the same level as Liverpool, City, Barcelona, Real Madrid etc then shouldn't we be aiming for players of the same quality as these sides. We don't have a squad staked with quality we barely have a first 11 staked with quality.
Is Jack Grealish a player any of the sides we are aiming to beat, in the league or in the UCL, would be considering signing?

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28 Jul 2020 10:50:25
Shaps
We get it that you don't want grealish .
To be honest i think he does fit what we need .
Can play lw which would allow us to either rest rashford or play rash striker and rest martial . Also gives us cover at lw if rash gets injured or if martial gets injured . Rash again moves cf .
Grealish does progress the ball forward, its one of his strengths he makes yards, he can also beat a man which is something we are missing in midfield.
He can play the 10, if we need to rest bruno or he is injured, or gives us the option of bruno playing deeper like he has done in the past.
This would also give us the option to rest pogba with bruno dropping deeper .
If either bruno and pogba are our main creative players, grealish would give us a third .

On your points of
Bruno and rash have more assist. Both play with better players who take chances only KDB has created more chances than grealish this season .
Both have more goals? Neither have more goals than grealish from open play .

28 Jul 2020 11:05:16
That should be bruno doesn't have move goals . My bad.

28 Jul 2020 13:41:00
I agree with you Shappy. For the price of both Grealish and Sancho we could do a lot to the squad with some creative scouting.

28 Jul 2020 14:08:04
Jred, Imagine a world were the club come to the same conclusion as Chelsea in that Sancho is just too expensive. By the time they do players like Ferran Torres will have joined City and Chiesa will have joined some Italian team. The club will likely look further down the list of possible targets for RW and maybe someone like Ismalia Sarr might be the best option available, maybe for around 30-40m. Certainly not a bad buy and could be a very good option, young, talented, EPL proven etc.

The rumours currently are that the club would also like a CB, with Ake being seen as a possible target. Again a player that would be available for around 40m.

So let's say United have a summer where they sign Sarr for 35m, Ake for 40m and Grealish for between the 60-80m quoted fee, maybe something similar to recent deals with say 60m up front and 15-20m in add-ons depending on certain criteria being met.

Of the three signings which one's would be most likely to be first choice and which ones would be on the bench most weeks?

Can you imagine a scenario where our most expensive and ergo marquee signing isn't even a regular starter. That just doesn't make sense.

For me even if you put my concerns about Grealish's attitude aside, if you ignore the fact that he isn't better than the first choice players we have in any of the positions he plays (How do you think a player with Jack's ego will take to being a squad player? ) . The overriding issue is if we are to place the signings we need in to order from most important to least important I'd imagine most people would have RW as most important, CB as second then back-up CAM as third.

You don't go spending potentially 80m on a back up player, certainly not when players like DvdB is available for half the price, is younger and has a higher ceiling on his potential than Grealish.

If we spend 100m on Sancho, which is the minimal amount we will have to spend to get him by the looks of it, then as much as 80m on Grealish then I seriously don't see much left for a CB. We'd be scratching around in the bargain bucket for a position that is key in any side.

28 Jul 2020 14:33:29
Shappy
The club will be fully aware of what they can and can't afford . I really don't know why fans get so upset about it?
They will also know what positions they woukd like to strengthen. Maybe some at the club don't agree with you?

28 Jul 2020 15:09:03
I mean come on shappy, we have a fantastic record in the transfer market. These guys know what they are doing 😂.

28 Jul 2020 15:38:38
Angel i think we havd bought well of late. I woukx also be happy will grealish and sancho .

But each to their own.

28 Jul 2020 16:49:18
jred, Have you seen what Ed001 has said about Grealish on the Banter page. I think he raises some great points. Which when you consider the cost of Grealish along with those points and the fact that the risk/ reward balance really isn't in our favour as we are signing him for a squad role.

I just don't think the signing would make much sense.

28 Jul 2020 20:14:06
I am with Shappy on this one. Better players available and we don’t have 80m to waste. Pretty sure if we had approached Maddison s representatives to register interest we could have signed him for that amount. Thomas lemar may be a decent choice. Julian brandt is another one. For a little more we may be even able to tempt joao felix. Not saying any of them may be available or interested. Agree with Ed that Havertz would have been great. But it’s not like we have sensible people making properly evaluated decisions when it comes to transfers.

28 Jul 2020 16:21:18
This regime have had a long list of absolutely appaling transfer dealings since they took over from David Gill. The idea that "the club are fully aware of what they can and can't afford" is nonsense.

Ed002 with his finger on the pulse of world football has explained that we're amateurs when it comes to transfers. From Fellaini to Bruno there are many many things they've done wrong.

But Jred wouldn't be the club's best fan if he critised them in any way.

28 Jul 2020 21:19:47
Ake really?

28 Jul 2020 21:45:26
RedWhiskey, I'm not saying he is who I'd go for, but he is a name that has been thrown out there in the media.

Personally the CB I'd want above all others is Jose Gimenez. A proper defender who is technically sound.

Other good options could be Gabriel Magalhaes, Issa Diop, Pau Torres, or Jonathan Tah.

28 Jul 2020 21:57:05
RedWhiskey, I'm not saying he is who I'd go for, but he is a name that has been thrown out there in the media.

Personally the CB I'd want above all others is Jose Gimenez. A proper defender who is technically sound.

Other good options could be Gabriel Magalhaes, Issa Diop, Pau Torres, or Jonathan Tah.

29 Jul 2020 06:37:24
Gimenez won’t be moving to us. Diop has a good season last season, not so much this one. Tah is an interesting option. Not seen anything of the other two to be fair.

29 Jul 2020 08:16:32
dont get to fixated on money,

the question should be does sancho improve us and does he fit the team, the answer is yes so if we can make a deal then great

but we should be able to make some money from player sales and if the rumor of inter wanting sanchez for keeps then even better


we have 6 weeks till the start of next season, we might depending on how far we go in the europa have an extended break but we need to get transfers sorted early rather than chasing them all window.

29 Jul 2020 08:49:51
Shappy if we sign him and he has a few good games you will change your mindx.

29 Jul 2020 15:44:52
Jred, If we sign him he'll be a disaster and you will change your mind.

30 Jul 2020 08:19:00
Shappy
He will be a disaster? Well if we do sign him we will have to wait and see.

30 Jul 2020 08:42:11
I like him, I think he has lots of room for improvement and could be a very good squad player considering that he would be surrounded by better players. Could be a really good move for all parties.

However, I've heard many times about his antics and do worry that this will continue.

If he does sign, I hope he matures and makes the most of the move to a big club. Also, I've no doubt that he will improve footballing wise with better players around him.

30 Jul 2020 12:04:01
Jred it's simple, name me a top side where Grealish would be first choice?

Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, PSG, Juventus, Chelsea, Liverpool or City?

No he wouldn't, in fact he probably wouldn't even make the bench at a couple of those sides.

Would he be first choice for us? No, he is not better than Pogba, Bruno or Rashford who all play in his positions.

You don't spend big on squad players when you have clear areas of weakness in your first 11.

Apparently the only competition for Grealish we might have is Arsenal or Spurs. Although Spurs look like they have dropped out as he is too expensive.

The truth is Grealish just isn't that good and he certainly isn't half as good as he thinks he is.

30 Jul 2020 19:57:53
Money shouldn't come into it for us whatsoever shappy. If he improves the squad and the club want him, then they will get him. We are not currently looking to spend even more money on a starter.

I actually think, if he gets his act together he would be a decent signing and surprise a few of us. He has all the ability, just hasn't the head.

If he does come, I hope he can sort that out.

31 Jul 2020 08:18:13
Shappy
I think he is good enough and is ready to move to a top side. However due to the fact he has had a very good season and is zcgood player on a long term contract he will cost a lot .
Current climate with C. V that makes him a difficult buy for many clubs .

But again, you think he is z disaster and isn't that good fine its your opinion, let's see how it turns out .
Also again would barce buy him etc what a strange way to judge a player?
You are just trying to find a way to back up your point of view . After all you have gonecon about buying csntwell among others?

31 Jul 2020 08:25:20
All of his goals and assists have come from the left wing bar 1 goal and 1 assist which came when he was on the left of a midfield three. Both the goal and the assist were from free kicks. He hasn't got a single goal or assist this season when playing as a No.10, which seems to be the primary positions we would be looking to play him in.

He's a slightly more gifted Jesse Lingard but with a less professional attitude.

31 Jul 2020 10:17:06
Jred, if we sign Grealish for the reported 80m, then only Pogba and Maguire would have been purchased for more. Sancho could be added to that list as well if he signs.

You don't make someone your 3rd or 4th most expensive signing ever for them to be a good squad player. That's madness.

Me suggesting and preferring Cantwell is down to him fitting the role of what we need better.

We are looking for a great back up player, ideally who can play LW, RW, CAM and CM. Cantwell in my opinion can play most of those roles either as well or better than Grealish can currently. He is two years younger, has more potential and would cost half as much. He also has a great attitude and is an ideal professional.

Grealish is a talented player no doubt, but I don't see him as being a great player. He has quick feet, but lacks the mental capacity to use his talents effectively enough. He dwells on the ball, runs down too many blind alleys and attempts shots when players are in better positions.

While he acts like a clown off the pitch drink driving and crashing his car during lockdown. Which highlights his immaturity, poor attitude and lack of professionalism.

We have many young impressionable players coming though at the moment and bringing in a player with such bad habits, he could easily drag one or two of the younger players down the wrong path and derail their careers.

It's just a bad deal all round. There are better players, with better and more professional attitudes available for half the cost.

He isn't what we need.

31 Jul 2020 11:30:48
Shappy
It a bit like you arguing pogba must be sold becsuse he was a virus and dragging the dressing room down.
It was just to suit your argument that pogba shoukd be sold.
I disagree grealish is a disaster, not that good or only slightly better than linders . Time will tell

I think the whole " is Barcelona trying to sign him " ridiculous.

31 Jul 2020 11:35:46
Shoukd also add the player himself has said the wing isn't his preferred or best position . He sees himself as a CM, but at the moment villa need him to play there.

31 Jul 2020 18:00:52
Jred, he is a disaster of a person though.

09 Aug 2020 00:22:29
The idea that our transfers has only been poor since this lot took over is laughable. Poborksky, Bellion, Taibi, Kleberson, Djemba-Djemba, Bebe, the bald lad from Bordeaux that ended up at Newcastle. There's likely many, many more. This is not a new phenomenon. I'll hold the regime up for ridicule as much as the next man, but poor transfers happen under every leadership.

27 Jul 2020 09:42:31
Ed001. Any chance you can make a new page called "The Stable"? A place for some posters to go on their high horses.

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27 Jul 2020 10:52:15
We also want a page for the Toxics. A place to whine. lol just kidding.

27 Jul 2020 13:30:36
Can you imagine the page if we had of got beat?

27 Jul 2020 13:52:04
Would it be pretty similar to a defeat under LVG or Mourinho? Not half as bad.

27 Jul 2020 14:14:50
prob not sepp because they have massive CVs.

27 Jul 2020 15:27:33
I don't think the page is as bad as it was under Jose.

27 Jul 2020 21:01:11
The irony in the op.

28 Jul 2020 08:24:39
utd Road. 100%
Add to that people thought we would get relegated this season.

28 Jul 2020 09:41:09
People thought we would get relegated? Who?

28 Jul 2020 10:51:42
Angel have you not been reading the site . Redman had us down for relagation . 1 or 2 agreed.

28 Jul 2020 10:55:27
Angel I don't think any poster seriously thought we would get relegated.

Yet several put forward the suggestion around Christmas time, saying we were more likely to be relegated than finish in the top four. It was all hyperbole, and sensationalisation to try and drive home a point of view and coerce others to their point of view.

28 Jul 2020 11:07:52
shappy
It was ridiculous and a bit daft but also par for the course.
Just my own personal opinion but I really do think people have gone massively overboard in the criticism this season.

28 Jul 2020 13:34:04
Everyone posted saying well done to the manager and the players for a great end of the season. But the "told ya so" gang had to come on to try and put down anyone who dare question the manager.

Any fan that was still optimistic when we were 14th playing awful football is akin to a stubborn gambler.

Iv offered multiple olive branches and even posted that it wasn't personal jred but you still try a stick the needle in because you think that makes you a more superior fan than others. Absolutely pathetic.

28 Jul 2020 14:12:31
Mumbles
Again why do you feel the need to get personal?
I have explained my point of view many times, I could see the direction the club had taken .
Even when the result where not going our way you could see imo that the loss of rash pogba martial was a big factor, and we probably needed a creative player added . Bruno .
To suggest we would get relegated was imo stupid .
I have stuck to my opinion and explained it many times . its not a case of putting peoples opinions down its a case of having a different opinion .
I don't think that makes me a superior fan or pathetic.

28 Jul 2020 15:13:33
Sorry jred. I never once saw a poster come outright and say they believed that we would get relegated. If you can point me to a post where someone said that, I will gladly take it back.

But I think you are going OTT here to try and make a point which doesn't exist.

Saying we were closer to relegation zone etc is one thing, saying they believe we would get relegated is another.

Again, happy to rescind and apologise if Red Man or another did come and say that. I just didn't see it.

28 Jul 2020 16:01:42
angel, take what back?
Relagation was discussed all of last year and a little after Xmas.
Myself shappy above,99 and ajh on the main page havd commented on it.

What are you going to apologise for?

28 Jul 2020 20:56:56
Relegation was mentioned more than once, I remember responding to it. Seems silly now but it was being posted.

28 Jul 2020 23:18:11
It definitely was, madness really.

30 Jul 2020 08:44:00
I honestly can not recall a poster laying it down saying that we would be relegated this season.

I would apologise for suggesting it didn't happen if it did.

30 Jul 2020 08:45:46
Jred did you not read my post above? I would take back my comment about not seeing such comments made about relegation.

Again, I know redman mentioned being closer to relegation etc. But I don't think he outright said we would be relegated.

01 Aug 2020 09:08:26
Until Bruno arrived we were a mess and if he hadn’t arrived and that form had continued we would likely at best have been mid table looking over our shoulders. Ole’s only previous experience ended in relegation with Cardiff so he didn’t and doesn’t have a good track record in Premier League terms, therefore given our form prior pre Bruno, we would have needed to look over our shoulders.

I don’t recall saying we would get relegated but I would imagine I would have said that continuing that form would have seen us all too close to that part of the table and that relegation is not unthinkable if we carried on, Ole had history with that. The CV break came at a good time for us, enabled Pogba and Rashford to come back. How poor we were has been forgotten because of our run since the restart.

01 Aug 2020 10:03:50
That's a very fair representation of the relegation talk around oct time.
In fact on many occasions you said you don't think we will be relegated but that our current form is akin to relegation form and that if it doesn't imorove then we will be looking over our shoulders. All of which was accurate. But we signed bruno and improved all over the pitch as a result. Finished 3rd and that was as high as we could have finished given our form before bruno arrived. He gave everyone a lift saved ole's job i suspect and helped bring more out of all his team mates.
At 1 point we were 14th in the league. Playing the worst football i every remember as a supporter and that's well over 45 years.

 

 

 

 

 

 
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