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08 Dec 2018 19:28:43
Watching Chelsea beat City has made me reflect on how good or bad we are. We had the better of Chelsea, but for a last minute equaliser we would have taken the points, yet here they are beating City.

There’s many of us who have been critical of Jose or the players but I’ve found the last few weeks the most frustrating. The 2 draws against Palace and Southampton have hurt us. I know it’s silly to play the ‘what if’ game but those 2 games cost us 4 points and momentum. In any other season we would have won both games; it wouldn’t have moved us into the top 4 but we would be knocking in the door.

Jose may or may not be the right man, some players may or may not not be good enough, but we are not as bad as some are saying. A couple of tweaks and we are back in the top 4.

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08 Dec 2018 20:18:37
Match posts? Really?

08 Dec 2018 20:22:30
need to move.

01 Dec 2018 20:25:14
What a joke, Pogba was awful, just running around doing nothing. Matic, Jones, McTominay and Young passing sideways and back. Lukaku and his 10 foot control of the ball. Today is where i wonder why i pay money that goes into this club and pays some of there wages. I watched my sons under 14 game, they were much more entertaining.

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01 Dec 2018 19:26:12
This felt like a match between two teams fighting for relegation. Sack him now.

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01 Dec 2018 20:14:40
I guess is the board's fault we can't beat Sotton, Wolves, Palace and others.
T Rex has nothing to be blamed about it.

01 Dec 2018 20:32:02
Repeat, this is about more than the manager. The stats were read out before the game about effort, running and we have been outrun in every game. Yes the game is about skill but we are not competing. During the game you could see we didn’t run off the ball, create space, so is that the managers instructions, really, or the players not putting everything in?

The easy answer is “sack him”, but this is December, the top managers are committed, unless you want Zidane or Giggs, if so, then heaven help the club.

01 Dec 2018 20:45:01
Red man why aren't the players playing for Jose? They play for their national teams, they played for their previous managers at previous clubs.

So why won't they play for Jose? What has he done that has made them not want to play for him?

01 Dec 2018 21:05:38
Shappy

Management is not a popularity contest. Perhaps he wants and demands more from them than they want to give, perhaps he knows what it takes to win and they don’t want to put that level of effort in. SAF had power, the players performed or left. The managers authority has diminished and those effort stats are damning. They should play for the shirt, and if they match the effort of the opposition yet don’t win then it’s the tactics or their quality but that is not what is happening.

01 Dec 2018 22:06:17
I have to say what an absolute cock up. he's totally lost it. there was no urgency to go win the game. the players are not playing for him. The average squad players probably are.

his tactics just seem haphazard. it's like they set out to go a goal or two down and hope the other team can then sit back so they can attack. i believe if we were 2-1 down at half time we would have probably won that game, but as it was 2-2 at half time the intensity dropped in the second half.

he's playing for the sack and totally taking the piss out of Man United.

01 Dec 2018 22:23:43
Your right Red man, it's certainly not a popularity contest.

However, what do you make of the Chelsea and Jose?

He won the title with them, the players then seemed to stop playing for him, they played in a not too disimilar way to how we are playing right now. Jose got sacked and the next manager took them back to being champions again.

Did the Chelsea players not have what it took to be champions? Clearly not. Yet they stopped playing for Jose all the same. Even after he won the title with them. They knew his methods achieved success, yet they still wouldn't play for him. What do you make of that? And how do you think it relates to us at the moment?

01 Dec 2018 22:47:41
IM7
No manager plays for the sack, he will have an enormous amount of pride.
Shappy
After Conte (the next manager) took Chelsea to be Champions what happened in the next season? The players stamped their feet for Conte and stopped playing for him. It is what you get if you let players run the club, There is a pattern and Chelsea ownership acceded to the players moaning. It is a recipe for disaster. Surely you can see this?
How does it relate to us? The players have too much say in both instances. if you have players running to the board or owners whining and they are allowed to undermine the manager you are in big trouble. The ceo has to decide, does the manager have a good CV and plan or not. You cannot allow moaning players to run or decide the direction off the club.

{Ed025's Note - its called.."the lunatics taking over the asylum" red man..

01 Dec 2018 23:05:27
Ed025
Yes, apt description. People associate more closely with players, no one puts the name of the manager on the back of their shirt, so the players become too important. The “we can’t afford to lose him” from our midfield becomes all encompassing, losing your favourite player hurts. However try managing any team, you have to know those above you support or it is an impossible job. Imagine trying to lead, not knowing either above or below are with you and it will be too tough. It’s where we are and until the ceo makes a proper assessment of the managers plans and either gets right behind him or sacks him we are in semi limbo. I understand the challenges so support the manager not the players on this one.

{Ed025's Note - i dont think anyone is blameless red man..

02 Dec 2018 07:46:20
Ed

Yes, Jose has not covered himself in glory and is not helping himself but the club, the owners, Woodward and whoever advises him need to be decisive. Either 100% behind the manager or sack him. They didn’t back him in summer and now we have half way house and limbo, it is leaving the club a complete mess.

{Ed025's Note - but he has spent a lot of money is his tenure so far red man and a lot of these were highly thought of internationals, "something is rotten in the state of denmark" as the bard said, what that is im not sure mate some will say the manager, some the players and some will say the board, but whatever it is it is making united a laughing stock and things have to change..

02 Dec 2018 10:54:08
There are people high up within the club who don't support Jose, that will never change. Unless you advocate the removal of people like Sir Bobby Charlton among others.

However, Jose has been significantly backed financially. It is not the boards fault that very few of Jose's signings have worked out. In fact it is hard to even pick one out as a total success. That will have likely lead to a discussion about affording Jose further vast sums of money, if there hasn't been a proper return on his previous choices of investment. That's just good business.

Also it is a managers remit, at any level, in or outside football to get the most out of the people you work with.

Jose's methods turned players against him at Real Madrid, at Chelsea the second time round and now with us. Personally I feel his methods work better with teams that have an underdog mentality. That backs against the wall attitude. When he has managed at clubs where the players consider themselves as players playing for a top club, a club that should be on top they don't buy into this everyone is better than us and we need to fight to win mantra that is Jose Mourinho.

02 Dec 2018 20:16:17
Shappy

We all love Sir Bobby Charlton, however, you say Mourinho is out of date when he won the league 3 years ago, where does that put Sir Bobby and his thoughts of leadership and management?

Sometimes a manager has to take on and deal with problems, they have to lead and take difficult tough, unpopular decisions. People don’t like it and rebel. Often the whole story is not known. The Madrid dressing room had some issues with particular characters, the manager can either ignore or deal with it. Leaders deal with it. Chelsea the second time round you like to quote but don’t respond to what Eden Hazard said. Nor do you like to deal with the fact that Conte fell to the same problems because they were never dealt with.

02 Dec 2018 10:54:35
Ed

Has HE spent a lot of money. The question is, are the players bought the actual ones the manager wanted or are they in the positions the manager wanted and were the value for money options who someone thought was just as good?

{Ed025's Note - if they were not his picks then im sure he would have walked red man, and yes it was a lot of money by any standards mate..

01 Dec 2018 19:24:13
This point Will BE very important for the battle of the 8th spot.

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01 Dec 2018 18:10:46
I guess we are in a situation to start wishing the worst for Watford, Wolves, Leicester, Bornermouth and so on. They are our reall opponents.

Shame.

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01 Dec 2018 17:55:15
Jose’s position untenable now. He has to go.

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01 Dec 2018 16:58:51
Looking at that team you have to question what mourinhos plan is? I'm hoping to be proven wrong but I'm not expecting much more than what we did against palace or young boys and if that's all we get you've got to look at Jose and say what did you expect putting that team out? let's just hope we're all wrong and we've got Baldrick sat on the bench because this is one he of a cunning plan!

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01 Dec 2018 16:53:24
Yet again the bench is stronger than the starting XI.

I've defended Jose, but I'm sick of him. Football matches should be enjoyed, not endured. Can see us struggling today.

{Ed002's Note - Let's hope MU get thrashed so you can prove your point to everyone.}

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01 Dec 2018 18:31:15
I however feel some of the players have not stepped up.

01 Dec 2018 06:22:11
I had a weird dream that Saint's beat us 4-0 today. Let's hope that stays as a weird dream and doesn't become reality.

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01 Dec 2018 17:59:30
Your dream is more real than Mourinho is a coach.

28 Nov 2018 22:35:03
Worst part of last night for me was return of Valencia, oh my God it's so hard to watch him, cannot cross the ball, he cannot use his left foot even to stop the ball and yet he is our captain. I have never even seen him encourage, drive on or even give out to players why is Dakota not getting game time, please.

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