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10 Dec 2017 18:45:03
I can’t hold back the tears as I realise that the balance of power has shifted. If you disagree then you really haven’t been watching over recent years.

Today we were given the run around by our neighbours; we may have huffed and puffed but there was only ever one team likely to win: the most upsetting aspect is that they play the football I want to see whilst we are cumbersome and disjointed. Pep improves Sterling whilst Jose simply slags off those players who do not perform to his standard.

My heart is breaking, disagree all you like but the balance of power has moved, if only we had signed Pep instead of the pragmatic Jose who continually identified conspiracies but who is yet to convince me he is right for out great club.

We may finish 2nd which is am improvement on 6th but to see City playing the free flowing football we are famous for, whilst we labour is a dagger to my heart.


1.) 10 Dec 2017 19:14:54
Yes they are better but we have improved too and Jose took over with much more to do than Pep. Give him another full season then let's judge.

2.) 10 Dec 2017 19:55:17
Agree it's not nice losing at home to city. But it's only December, anything could happen between now and end of season . Couple of signings in Jan and the summer, We may have a more competitive team, Drop lukaku for a game or two and let him get his hunger back. And if Pep does win the league who is to say he will stay at city anyways.

3.) 10 Dec 2017 20:06:18
Wow AJH, don’t expect that kind of overreaction from you, crazy.

4.) 11 Dec 2017 06:03:01
I think that's a bit of an overstatement tony. They have a better squad and most people will not argue that. They will always have more possession because of how they play but we are very close and will not be one bit surprised if we beat them at their place later in the year.

We are not as deep as they are and when missing players like Pogba, and out of form mik and fellaini believe it or not which i though if we are going to play long balls is 10 times better than lukaku in terms of winning headers and being able to control the ball and bring other players into it.

we conceded 2 terrible goals and still should not have lost the game. For all their possession dog made one really good save from Debruyne and they had very little to show.

at the moment everything is going their way bounce of the ball and no injuries what so ever. let's wait and see how they respond when things are not going their way.



08 Dec 2017 20:28:41
So, first of all, I share my birthday with Jonny Evans so put that your pipe and smoke it. Secondly, I may have had a little wine tonight so forgive me if I am less coherent than Ronnie during a transfer window.

Sunday is a big game and I hope that Jose wakes up and has an epiphany but I fear it will not happen. I believe it is better to die fighting than running away and in football that is also true. Inspire the troops, give them hope and belief, rouse their spirits, fill their hearts with pride and desire. Let’s not turn up to stifle and try and nick a goal on the break. I don’t care if they are the best team, like Pierre the famous French fighter pilot, let’s go down in flames (google it) .

We are United, a team steeped in history and tradition, we live or die by our standard, there are times to stand up and be counted, Sunday is one of those times. We win, or we lose in a blaze of glory, to be a United fan there are no in betweens.

Time for more wine.


1.) 09 Dec 2017 01:43:34
Jesse's performance at Arsenal will have given him food for thought. Maybe we can press high with a few players and cause some chaos amongst their back line. Worry is that Matic and Ander would have to play out of their skins.

The motivational piece is way more important than formation. Win your battles all over the pitch and you'll get a win.

2.) 09 Dec 2017 10:50:17
We’ll park the bus and try to catch them on the counter and via set pieces.



27 Aug 2017 19:14:26
Just caught up with MOTD, I thought all our players played well. Amongst other things that stood out though:

1. Joe Hart, wow, surely he isn't England's goalie any more
2. Anyone else warming to Rafa? No? Just me?
3. City, still not convincing and I think strong teams will bully them.
4. Shearer has become a half cent pundit since he stopped sitting on the fence.
5. Phil Neville, got to love him, is he the most positive person in the world ever?
6. Swansea possibly not as bad as we have thought.
7. Bilic and De Boer have to be worried although after today's debacle, perhaps Wenger will be first to go.


1.) 27 Aug 2017 20:35:38
Pretty much agree with everything there mate.
I was saying to my lad yesterday that if this palace squad go down it's the best squad ever to be relegated.

2.) 27 Aug 2017 00:43:07
Phil Neville really annoys me. He's so biased it's unbelievable. Agree with the rest. De Boer is no surprise, he was abysmal at inter. Played some disgraceful football there.



16 Apr 2017 19:52:35
We may have beaten the League leaders 2-0 but my roast carrots were overlooked and I blame Fellaini. He's a disgrace.


1.) 16 Apr 2017 20:28:56
Rumours Ed? I could live with Others but Rumours?

{Ed004's Note - This is just hearsay until more sources confirm it}

2.) 16 Apr 2017 21:06:15
De Gea made no saves that is not good enough. Get rid.

3.) 16 Apr 2017 21:31:26
I have several witnesses to the carrot issue, but no video ref.

4.) 17 Apr 2017 09:37:29
I can confirm Bond Tony's carrots was burnt to cinders.



25 May 2016 12:35:44
I've heard that Rooney is not opposed to a move back to Everton as part of the Stones deal, seems like a great idea to me.


1.) 25 May 2016 13:16:05
And who is going to pay his wages at Everton?

2.) 25 May 2016 13:35:45
Absolutely ridicules.

3.) 25 May 2016 13:57:06
Cant see it, pus I think he will want to get the goalscoring record - 18 months from now maybe.

4.) 25 May 2016 14:26:07
My opinion, great idea, although the wages will be an issue?

Could we not subsidise Rooneys wage along side Everton?

5.) 25 May 2016 14:54:25
Yes Ronnie, let's pay huge wages for someone who no longer plays for us. Great logic?

6.) 25 May 2016 15:00:23
Farha Moshiri?

7.) 25 May 2016 15:06:53
I cannot see that happening in a million years but if Everton can be rumoured to be interested in paying £40million for Joe Hart then they obviously have some money in the club after being brought?

Still, it's silly season now so a nice rumour to get the ball rolling early doors I suppose. If Jose does come in I fully expect the media to link us with Courtois when DDG moves to Real which they will report and we will also get linked to Hazard at some point despite his supposed fall out with Jose.

8.) 25 May 2016 15:55:34
Mmmmm can't see it Tony😁.

9.) 25 May 2016 16:07:59
It's the club he supports, he has more money than he can spend already, he may not be first choice next year, it makes perfect sense to me,

10.) 25 May 2016 16:57:43
People do realise Rooney is only on £150K basic don't they? When he signed his new deal he got insane on target bonuses but I don't see why a similar thing couldn't be worked out at Everton.

I'm sure the likes of Lukaku are on £100K+.

11.) 25 May 2016 17:14:41
". only on 150K basic. "


12.) 25 May 2016 17:56:06
You sure you have a big enough fishing rod there AJH 😂.

13.) 25 May 2016 23:57:46
For the life of me I will never understand the Rooney haters that live on these message boards. Game in game out he's one of our best players and has been for years. For the better part of half a decade there has been a vocal portion of United supporters who seemingly only look at total goals as a judgement on Rooneys contributions. Shameful really but I get satisfaction knowing that for five or six years they've been complaining about Rooney and for just as long they've been proven wrong over and over again. Just embarrassing to have to see these posts all the time.




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10 Dec 2017 18:45:03
I can’t hold back the tears as I realise that the balance of power has shifted. If you disagree then you really haven’t been watching over recent years.

Today we were given the run around by our neighbours; we may have huffed and puffed but there was only ever one team likely to win: the most upsetting aspect is that they play the football I want to see whilst we are cumbersome and disjointed. Pep improves Sterling whilst Jose simply slags off those players who do not perform to his standard.

My heart is breaking, disagree all you like but the balance of power has moved, if only we had signed Pep instead of the pragmatic Jose who continually identified conspiracies but who is yet to convince me he is right for out great club.

We may finish 2nd which is am improvement on 6th but to see City playing the free flowing football we are famous for, whilst we labour is a dagger to my heart.


1.) 10 Dec 2017 18:58:42
Sorry tony but i disagree on you complete and utter surrender of utd and our bid to win major honours.

Im not arguing for the sake of it, i generally agree with a lot of your posts but a cannot and will not give up


2.) 10 Dec 2017 19:10:40
Agree AJH - many reasons but there are no excuses.

The people I blame most now are the sychophants that are 100% behind any manager whenever we sign them up no matter how they perform, constantly saying it takes times - every minute it goes on is not only a minute wasted it's a minute we have to catch up on the likes of City. They should always get our support but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to suggest improvements and demand our team doesn't play to simply stop another team.

We have hired 3 managers on the spin that play in a way that is no longer suitable when you have teams that can operate how City do. In Europe there are 7 or 8 others that would give us this kind of run around as well. Nobody should kid themselves that this game was a close 2-1 despite the Lukaku miss, it was fear against a horde. Just like against Arsenal after 20mins.

We may be second, but we are a long way from being the team we hope to see. We have glimpses now and again, but is that enough? Unfortunately for most fans it is, we get what we deserve.

3.) 10 Dec 2017 19:13:12

When I posted this more than once over the last couple of years people deny it, but City had a plan in place years ago and have worked towards where they are now. We haven’t and it shows.

4.) 10 Dec 2017 19:19:22
Beast i'm not shocked at your post at all.

Infact if we'd have wone by a single goal ud have been upset.

5.) 10 Dec 2017 19:37:04
Agreed in it's entirety with Tony and Beast. The balance has been shifting and has now shifted. I've tried to say this but been shot down. It hurts me to say it. I'm 61 and I haven't seen us struggle against city in this manner. We also struggle against top teams.
Investment in grass roots. Investment in infrastructure. Investment in first team. We can no longer buy second best. We need the best.
But above all, we need a manager who believes in the United traditions. Allowing a visiting team 75% possession is utterly ridiculous and no one can mask this. It's going to take years to repair the damage of underfunding. City and other clubs will not stand still. So it's a big mountain to climb.
But we need to have the desire and faith to do it.
I'm with Tony that the confirmation of what some of us have been talking about is unfortunately the reality.
We can either sit and complain about it or we can change our mindset and try and catch them up. I hope we go for the latter.



03 Dec 2017 00:55:14
That was a stunning game. Hats off to Jose for the team he picked and for the pressing we did. Great start with 2 clinical goals, Lukaku, Martial, and Lingard linking up so well again.

For most of the game we were under a lot of pressure and gave up possession; on another day we would have conceded more than 1. But we didn’t and we went down the other end and scored another, we also had other great chances we didn’t take.

Lukaku never stopped working but DDG and Jesse were the star players. Great saves from DDG after a slightly nervous start but Jesse scored 2 and never stopped running, he has the potential to be a top top player and just needs to find consistency.

Pogba played well but the red card was deserved, it was a very ugly tackle and whilst it may have simply been mistimed it was clearly a red card. Martial did well before fading and he really needs to stop shaking his head when he gets substituted, take one for the team mate.

A great game but also an odd game, if roles were reversed we would be gutted not to have got a result. The positive thing is that when we attack we look like scoring and against both Watford and Arsenal we didn’t let the loss of a goal upset us, we simply scored another.

On to City, ok no Pogba but let’s go for it, there is no point in doing anything else.


1.) 03 Dec 2017 08:54:14
Spot on ajh. A Fergie esque performance of absorb, absorb and then hit them where it hurts.

Two games where the opponent pulled themselves back to within one goal, where we could have capitulated but instead held nerve and killed off the game. The effort and application kills any questions around this team playing for Jose and each other; I just want to see this application every game, from the first whistle, and we will beat almost anyone in this league.

I worry about the link between defence and attack without Pogba against city. There is simply no one else that performs that role, ability aside. Think we may see us go back to slightly agricultural against them next week with ander in for him (can't see Jose starting mctom) . I just want to see fight and drive from the boys and anythings possible. It doesn't change that it's still a game we need to win. I just reckon Jose might take the approach that if we draw we still have half a chance of the title, but if we lose its pretty much impossible.



30 Nov 2017 21:05:30
Let’s be very clear, Ozil has been bang average for years. A good game does not make him a game changer for us, MOTD fever at its worst.


1.) 30 Nov 2017 21:29:57

Sanchez for me is a difference maker not ozil.

2.) 30 Nov 2017 22:34:19
Totally different players. I’d take Ozil on a free any day.

3.) 30 Nov 2017 22:52:49
Differemt players yes Eric but as its both who are soon to be free agents i'd take sanchez in a heartbeat. Ozil has ha 2 good games this season, 1 last week and one this week.

4.) 30 Nov 2017 22:53:31
Ozil isn't a work horse, he is the final ball man. if he isn't getting the service and freedom he won't perform. it goes both ways.

Ozil for ziltch is a steal.

5.) 01 Dec 2017 06:12:00
So does a great game make young a left back ajh? Or martial a world beater? Ozil is a game changer but I'm not sure he is right for us.
He is a better player than mata is now or miki imo. sanchez is in the bracket below Messi and Ronaldo along with hazzard bale and co. But he will end up at psg I reckon.

6.) 01 Dec 2017 10:08:21
Honestly couldn't agree more Tony.

7.) 01 Dec 2017 13:01:03
Ozick is a very, very good player. Imo he get a lot of unfair criticism. In the right set up he is genuine world class. On a free transfer I'd definatly take him. He is better than all our number 10's, comfortably.



30 Nov 2017 20:24:42
Just watched the game again and on the first half the front players were on fire. The movement of Lingard and Martial and the work rate of Lukaku caused Watford no end of problems. If we can keep that up for a full game then we will steam roller teams. I wouldn’t swap any of our front players, they are all outstanding on their day, we just need their day to happen a bit more often.

Remember than Lingard had a shot saved and Lukaku had 2 good chances when we 3-0 up, on another day that could have been a massacre. If we keep the belief and go for it then I am confident we will continue to improve.

And finally, what a goal by Lingard. He gets some stick on here but he is a local boy, came though the ranks, and he scores important goals. Consistency is his target now.


{Ed004's Note - The 3 at the back seems to suit the majority of our players currently. I think the intention in the summer was to sign Griezmann and play him in the role that was given to Lingard on Tuesday. The other night was very promising. We should have been 5/6 up if Lukaku was on form.}

1.) 30 Nov 2017 20:35:23
Messi Lingard hahahaha.

2.) 30 Nov 2017 21:04:11
Not sure what point you are making iM7, if it’s a choice between paying £250M for Messi or having a home grown talent with potential then I plump for the second option every time, but maybe I’m just old fashioned.

3.) 30 Nov 2017 21:17:24
IM7. Lionel Jesse.

4.) 30 Nov 2017 21:22:15
Interesting to see how both scholes and Rio spoke about linders .
Got the talent by the sounds of it but maybe not a big enough personality.

5.) 30 Nov 2017 22:53:15
I like Jessie. He is a really good versatile squad player. In all comps he will make 20 plus starts and 10 from the bench in all likelihood. He gets important goals.
At a ' lesser ' club in all comps he would probably get 30 starts for less money with lesser players so I think he should think long and hard about chasing regular football. He id's about to come into his prime he should be trying to turn 20 starts for united into 30.

6.) 01 Dec 2017 03:35:15
Agree Ken, a good squad player. One that I would actually keep having slated him previously (deservedly so at the time I might add) . We need to ship out Mata as he just doesn't fit, hasn't got the X factor we need in the hole and out on the right he is more of a liability than anything else, just can't move.

Lingard and Rashford both being English, young and hungry will be good rotation/ squad players. But we need a lift in class if we want to be winning titles. Too many positions we have good but not great.

7.) 01 Dec 2017 11:22:16
Totally agree beast. let's face it jose took over our worst percorming squad in over 20 years.
He has taken 7 players in.
The squad is now much better than he inherited but still need possibly 4 starters and that will push 4 more of the lesser quality out of the team and 4 more out of the squad.



28 Nov 2017 18:16:21
Leahy mate, I do think the balance of power is shifting across the city right now. Yes they need to win more trophies but it is what they are doing off the field as much as on it. The investment they have made in the club and to some extent the city is phenomenal, clearly there is no requirement to make a profit there which obviously helps.

Painful as it is they appear to be making huge strides on the pitch. We all keep waiting for them to slip up but a third of the season in they have yet to do so. If we are all completely honest, who would have preferred Pep to Jose? I certainly would. Cantona got it right, Jose is simply not a United Manager and it is interesting that Jose didn’t really bite back at Eric as he would struggle to argue against his views. We may win things, we may even dominate some teams, he’s a great Manager, but it won’t be the style we have grown used to, not just under SAF but also, Busby, Doherty, Atkinson.

I started supporting United when we were in the second Division and once promoted We struggled to complete for many years. From 1990 onwards though we have dominated, we already had worldwide support and history and that won’t change, but if City start winning big trophies then expect to see more City kits knocking about, just as we have done for Chelsea in recent years.

Tell me why I am wrong.


1.) 28 Nov 2017 18:24:22
Imagine if we didn't have the disappointment of being purchased by the Glazers and City and Chelsea were never purchased by billionaires looking for a hobby. We'd be on title 26 by now. Imagine if Abramovich purchased MU, we'd be on title 30.

Even if clubs were not run without outside and clubs were all running on their own means we'd be dominating by some distance. The Glazers purchasing us levelled the playing field. The other clubs should be very grateful about that.

2.) 28 Nov 2017 18:49:07
It sure I follow that argument Syd. SAF kept us winning and dominated Chelsea for a period, we are rich enough to attract top players and Managers. Whether SAF was asked to rein in his spending (no value in the market) or whether he really thought that I don’t know but he left a squad in need of work. Many of the purchases since he left have been questionable.

City have been doing ok with their billions but with Pep I think we will see another step up.

3.) 28 Nov 2017 19:06:17
Couldn't agree more Ajh. I think some on here are a bit blinkered. City, as I've been saying for 3 years are moving forward at a great pace and are doing what we used to do, play attacking attractive football with no fear. Mark my words, their owners and Pep will turn them into formidable opponents that will dominate the PL and even Europe.
I watch our club get involved in buying average players for silly money. We have sold our soul by allowing three managers to abandon our traditions and instead play absolute rubbish football. I watch City, Barcelona and PSG play fast attractive football which is from a different planet.
And even then, we have people saying that city are not great defensively and will slip up. Well wake up guys and smell the roses, it ain't going to happen. They will not cone down to our standard, we need to go up to theirs.

4.) 28 Nov 2017 19:19:59
This might sound daft but there only average players if they don't perform.
We have signed some good players that people where very happy with but haven't got the best out of them.

5.) 28 Nov 2017 19:39:37
They are playing better football than us at the moment but as jred said we have the players but they aren't playing 100%, we aren't that far off just 2 or 3 more signin gs
And as for comparing the clubs Bobby Charlton has more history in his big toe than city as a club, they have a long way to go and I don't think will will step back admiring them every week.

6.) 28 Nov 2017 19:43:13

You know I have been saying on here for years about the lack of investment, the arrogance to think we were so big we didn’t need to worry about those pesky noisy neighbours. Well now they are nearly there and we still do nothing.

7.) 28 Nov 2017 20:06:22
I know people won’t care about my opinion but as an outsider (keeping my bias at toe) city are light years ahead, and not just of you but anybody, there are bigger clubs out there like yourselves but nobody is growing at such a rate, it’s easy when money is no option but it’s not just the players, the youth development, the manager, the image, they’re investing heavily in every aspect of football as a game and business. We can all claim ‘oh we did it properly, money, is wet other excuse’ but the fact is they’re steam rolling games. United will still win trophies but it won’t be like the old days. Power (not just in football) swings in bouts, cycles come and go, in all honesty who can you really see beating city to the title, CL, or FA cup if they take that serious? Not many teams are blessed with 40/ 50 million pound benchwarmers.

8.) 28 Nov 2017 20:51:52
They look light-years ahead because they've had to grow from almost nothing. People bang on about their academy but who's it produced so far? Sancho had to go to Germany. Will Foden play this season?

9.) 28 Nov 2017 22:26:08
they will have the same trouble we had the majority of top player will come for the money for a season and then sod off because they do not like the weather.

10.) 28 Nov 2017 22:29:18
Mort, foden played last match.
RedMan and johnbarnes, fully agree. To think we're top dog and we can carry on as before is naive in the extreme. They are well ahead of us not only on the pitch but in the way they're developing their club.
There's nothing wrong with seeing a competitor do well. But when you sit there and think everything is rosey and ignore the threat, then that's what will bring us down.

11.) 29 Nov 2017 08:34:30
Pep will be gone In 2 or 3 seasons just like jose.

12.) 29 Nov 2017 08:35:01
That's true jred. Many a good player has been in the wrong place at the wrong time or under the wrong coach and moved elsewhere and shone again and looked a different player. This happens to all clubs I think.
Shaw hugely talented as a teenager if he moves could flourish again. So could miki or darmian. I know what you say when you say get the most out of what we have and improve them and i agree to a point but if the manager puts you out of his plans then its more often or not time to move on. (Im not stating that's the case for those players) . Fergie did it plenty of times to players klopp has done it conte poch sometimes the manager has lost faith and that can be for a zillion differrnt reasons.
Sometimes the decisions work out sometimes they come to bite you on the ass but that's why they get the big bucks.
Truth is none of us know why managers fall out or lose faith in certain players but it happens. Im sure as often as not its the players fault too.




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14 Nov 2017 09:43:03
I like Bale but his injury record just gets worse and worse, I don’t think he is worth the risk any more.




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10 Nov 2017 07:16:04
One word, Bebe.




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21 Oct 2017 10:17:19
Deano, I think they had 19 attempts, that's loads.




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04 Sep 2017 21:40:03
Play her in goal, nothng would get past her.




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01 Sep 2017 05:27:38
Nice one. I saw this on the Spurs site.

31 Aug 2017 22:13:12
BREAKING: Arsenal have had a £45m bid accepted for Chinese sensation Fu-Kin No-Wan.





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10 Dec 2017 18:27:38
Amen, brother.




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06 Dec 2017 21:01:19
He was seen as the best so his recent revelations are pretty depressing. I always thought he had balls but apparently they are they are the size of peanuts. Very sad.




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06 Dec 2017 07:16:21
Don’t be silly GDS, we were effectively penalised ergo the rule is silly. If it happened the other way round then the rule would be great, obviously.




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06 Dec 2017 07:11:10
I didn’t think we were poor at all, we stayed at it and got our reward. Pogba has been great this year but he does have a tendency to lose the ball, often in dangerous situations.

I thought Shaw looked great, if he can get consistency he is head and shoulders above anyone else at left back.




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04 Dec 2017 10:59:10
Thanks for the kiss WRD, love you too. x.