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26 Jul 2017 11:57:45
If anyone is interested, Ed002 has given a detailed update on the European page in regards to Dembele (Dortmund) and Bale.


1.) 26 Jul 2017 12:17:47
No doubting Bale is absolutely sensational on his day but he needs to prove his fitness. His injury record surely is enough to put off any buying club given the fee he would command. I wonder if RM would be open to a loan-to-buy agreement.

2.) 26 Jul 2017 12:22:21
I for one would be over the moon if we signed Bale. He would instantly become the best player in the league if fit we would win the league no doubt about it.

Obviously the big risk is fitness as a few have mentioned before, however if our medical staff believe he is fine then I will give them the vote.

3.) 26 Jul 2017 12:31:25
Bale is a fantastic player would be great in a Jose team .

4.) 26 Jul 2017 12:55:03

Calm down, no player guarantees you the title, I would say Alexis Sanchez was the best player in the premier league last season (at least in that position) and Arsenal didn't even finish top 4. Obviously he would give us a chance but to say we would win the league no doubt about it is a little naive.

5.) 26 Jul 2017 12:55:36
I worry about his injury record and the cost of bringing him to Okd Trafford. As both of you mentioned, IF fit, he would easily be the best player in the league. I just don't think we would be able to rely on him for a sustained period of time. I would definitely be over the moon if he joined and proved his fitness.

6.) 26 Jul 2017 13:08:36
Old* Trafford.

7.) 26 Jul 2017 13:10:54
While there is legitimate concerns regarding Bale's fitness he would be among the top 3 or 4 players in the league if signed and fit as well as becoming the best player in our squad. He can score goals from nothing and his last season at Tottenham was one of the finest individual seasons in PL history.

Having a full pre season might help him this season and personally I think we should try to sign him if available. He is the best player who is attainable for us.

8.) 26 Jul 2017 13:35:36
come on GDS2 get on board. we sign BALE we will win the WORLD CUP :) he is that good haha.

9.) 26 Jul 2017 14:04:02
See we have the bale fan club here again presumably all Welsh. Would rather keep what we have than add a sick note to our squad.

10.) 26 Jul 2017 14:10:46
Was it naive to believe we would win the league when we signed RVP?

I personally believe we would storm the league with our current squad + Bale. You must remember we just signed one of the best strikers in the league as well.

I'd put money on us winning the league by a mile if we had a fit Gareth Bale all season.

11.) 26 Jul 2017 14:14:42
And Allan I have no Welsh ties. You'd be silly to say no to one of the best wingers in world football.

You guys forgotten his last season with Spurs?

12.) 26 Jul 2017 14:20:18
I am undecided on Bale. As mentioned above on his day he can be a game changer. But looking at his past season in LaLiga he spent just as long out of the team as he did in it.

made the squad 19 times out of 38 games.

Ed01 has mentioned in a different post, that for a player like bale who depends on rapid acceleration his injury record is a massive concern.

I would personally prefer to wait for Greizmann.

13.) 26 Jul 2017 14:39:59
Oxford, why not sign Bale now and then sign Griezmann when he's available?

We're meant to be an elite club, might as well act like one.

14.) 26 Jul 2017 14:52:36
Allan, pathetic comment. I actually am Welsh and it has no bearing on how I judge a player. He was sensational in his last season at Spurs and had been very good for Madrid when fit. If you think he wouldn't improve our side massively your deluded.

15.) 26 Jul 2017 15:21:04
Weggy that would be brilliant and would give the squad a massive buzz now and then again next summer there is no doubt about that.

I would love to see both players in the squad this time next year but can't see it happening.

16.) 26 Jul 2017 15:33:44
What would be delusional would be to pay 80m plus and say 300k per week for a player that RM managed perfectly well without last season using how well he played 3/ 4 years ago as justification. Injured more than Darren Anderton. We shouldn't consider signing someone with his fitness record.

17.) 26 Jul 2017 16:26:58
I would not be surprised if we had at least one of them in our squad by this time next year.

I do think we're missing that 1 player who can win games on their own. It used to be Ronaldo/ Rooney/ Zlatan, but now we don't have anyone of that calibre in our attack.

18.) 26 Jul 2017 16:55:43
I would not be adverse to the same situaiton as rodriguez and bayern.

A 2 year loan with an option to buy at the end.

This way we could "try before you buy" and if Bale can make it through a couple of seasons with no significant injuries then fantastic we will bite their hand off. If not send him back.

19.) 26 Jul 2017 17:16:41
Based on his performances 3/ 4 years ago? You haven't seen any of him at Madrid then? I'd wager if he played 25 premier league games he's probably score more than Rashford, martial, miki, mata playing all of them.

20.) 26 Jul 2017 19:42:11
Get a grip lad's. Real Madrid do not want to sell us anyone. Let's concentrate on Matic and Perisic and hope for the best.

21.) 26 Jul 2017 20:05:42
I've said before and will do again, for the figures that it would take, I wouldn't sign Bale. Injured far too much, relies on pace a lot which will means he will peak and decline pretty quickly. He may transition into a striker when that happens, bit like Ronaldo, but he doesn't have as much to his game as Ronaldo.

If the price was low enough then I'd give it a go, but for stupid money, no thanks.

22.) 26 Jul 2017 20:23:54
Real Madrid would most definitely sell if we met their valuations.

23.) 26 Jul 2017 21:21:36
Real Madrid will sell to whom I don't know and bale would improve any side he plays for.

24.) 26 Jul 2017 21:40:40
Agreed brendan. I said it on a previous post, you don't buy a Ferrari for it to be parked in the garage all the time.

He is too much of an injury risk. If we bought him and he were to be injured a lot as he has been down through the years (and will only get more frequent as he gets older) posters and fans on here would be questioning why we bought him in the first place. Ed would be getting it right in the neck.

25.) 26 Jul 2017 22:23:48
No doubt in my mind he would be a great signing i think he would embrace the challenge.

26.) 26 Jul 2017 23:10:04
Plus we all know he's proven in the premier league. Greizzman for instance is a risk because he hasn't done it in our league.

27.) 26 Jul 2017 23:04:39
I've got concerns regarding his injury record but can you pass up on the opportunity to sign a player that is world class I don't think you can so if he is available like ed002?states and he is interested in a move then in my opinion youve got to get him.

Only way I'd steer clear is if Madrid would want De Gea included.

28.) 26 Jul 2017 20:05:42
I've said before and will do again, for the figures that it would take, I wouldn't sign Bale. Injured far too much, relies on pace a lot which will means he will peak and decline pretty quickly. He may transition into a striker when that happens, bit like Ronaldo, but he doesn't have as much to his game as Ronaldo.

If the price was low enough then I'd give it a go, but for stupid money, no thanks.

29.) 26 Jul 2017 20:47:10
@rock the red
ED002 said there will be interest from both Manchester clubs if Bale were to be sold. I don't see any reason why Madrid won't sell to us if we agree to pay the fee.
But if I remember correctly, Ed001 said Bale doesn't want to play as a winger but only behind the striker. He even fell out with Ancelloti for this reason. Correct me if I am wrong pls.

30.) 27 Jul 2017 11:59:04
I always believed that fate would see us with another Welsh winger to take over from Ryan, and was gutted when he went to Madrid. Would love him at the club, as for me, he is in that level of player below Ronaldo and Messi. My only worry, is that a player with such explosive pace and acceleration, does tend to pick up injuries, and without that asset, they're nowhere near the same player. He reminds me of Michael Owen a little in that regard.

31.) 27 Jul 2017 19:19:03
It's a yes to Bale from me.




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30 Jul 2017 11:48:02
Hi Ed, do you expect an agreement to be reached for Fellaini with Galatasary?
If so, is Matic effectively his replacement (like Bakayoko is at Chelsea for him)? I ask as I would be surprised if we didn't look at another midfielder unless Jose promotes from within.


{Ed002's Note - Yes. It would not be a direct replacement.}

1.) 30 Jul 2017 12:22:33
Thanks for clearing that up ed.

2.) 30 Jul 2017 12:23:35
Does anyone think we will sign another midfielder?
I'd like to think Pereira will be given a chance now.

3.) 30 Jul 2017 12:35:46
I would give him a chance Amz, he has looked good in pre season and more games will only add to his confidence in his own ability.

4.) 30 Jul 2017 12:45:53
I would be disappointed if we added another midfielders. Pereira will do well for us if given a chance.

5.) 30 Jul 2017 13:08:11
I'd say now, if it can be achieved, perisic and aurier. But I am extremely happy at the prospect of getting matic and would be absolutely happy if no more signings were made.



28 Jul 2017 10:44:11
Post from the Liverpool page hahahahaha:

27 Jul 2017 22:49:56
Reports that if Continuous moves to Barca, Ramifications could move the other way - even though He's recently signed an extended deal.
Not in the know - just what I've read.


1.) 28 Jul 2017 11:20:50
Continous for Barcelona while Ramifications for Liverpool. Now that's a transfer window.



27 Jul 2017 11:56:59
Currently reading Cantona - The Rebel who would be king for the second time (nearly done) . Have to say, it is a great book. What a man Cantona! A real shame he didn't get a Champions League trophy or an International trophy. I know that some of that is his own doing, but still. It's amazing to think of the impact he had on our club and how almost instantly, became the key that unlocked all the potential we had. Not forgetting how he pretty much won the title himself after coming back from the ban and THAT FA Cup winning goal. Amazing.

People mention Zlatan having this Cantona effect but they are different. Ego and Pride, yes they are similar. Cantona, however, was a real team player I felt. He would shine a light on others in some matches, as it says in this book, and take more of a backseat so that others could come in to the game and flourish. Just feeding them time after time. Zlatan is far too individual I feel. He is out on the pitch for himself first and then others.

I feel that if he signs a new contract, it will be detrimental to our team. We need to move on. I cannot see how we can accommodate him and keep him happy. Lukaku will have to start every game. He is our number one striker. I fear that if we give Zlatan a new contract, he will start to become a bad apple unless he is starting games. That is where Jose comes in. I think there is no doubt that if he is offered a new deal then he WILL start most games with Lukaku. This would effect the balance of our team and I would think, annoy the players benched to bring him in to team. He is an amazing talent but with his age, his ego, his demand to start games, his wage, I hope we do not go down this route.

I would be interested in everyone else's thoughts on this.

Does anyone feel we have a Cantona type player within our ranks? Maybe not talent wise but more in a sense of being the player everyone looks up to, can go out on the pitch and be that sort of team player Cantona was. I don't think we need someone to unlock our potential as he did all those years ago. We just need to gel and I feel the goals will come.

is there anyone we could sign that could be this sort of player even?

Also, any recommendations on other books I could read? Football related, doesn't have to be United related. I have read some of the more popular ones so maybe something different?


1.) 27 Jul 2017 13:03:26
Eric was the final piece of the jigsaw, if we hadn't signed him I'm not sure we would have won the leage that year and then who knows what would have happened. He had an aura and bravado without being arrogant (! ) . He arrived when we were stuttering and suddenly we clicked. He was also a huge influence on the class of '92, staying after training to practice free kicks, a habit that rubbed off on them. He also signed pretty much every autograph after training, he lived in a modest house and there were no airs and graces with him.

I honestly think I know when he decided to retire. He missed a penalty and as the game went on he stood there staring in disbelief, it was almost as if he had realised his powers were fading, never one to do the obvious he went out at the top.

There is no other Cantona, there are other characters but he was the right person in the right place at the right time. It was a privilege to watch him and see him in action in the flesh.

Ibra has his own personality and charms but he is no Cantona, I don't see anyone to compare.

In terms of books, most football books are pretty pants, and I've read an awful lot of them. Addicted by Tony Adams is pretty good, Keane's are all entertaining, Perry Groves was ok, and if you want to step away from football, Marcus Trescothik's is good.

2.) 27 Jul 2017 13:13:40
Good post Amz. Cantona book sounds very good. Funny enough, I put on a movie the other night called "The Salvation", and there was Cantona, playing a bad character in a movie about a Danish settler in the Wild West.

But to your point, the players have said they learned a lot from Zlatan, about a winning mentality, confidence and that sort of thing. But I cannot see Mourinho playing Zlatan and Lukaku together.

Good question on finding a leader of that level, that elevates the team. Very hard to find. Even today's best players, Ronaldo, Messi, Neymar, none are that type. It would have to be someone with a commanding presence to go along with great ability.

3.) 27 Jul 2017 12:57:24
Zlatan is an unbelievable player who if he was signed again would score plenty provided he has recovered well from his injury. However, I don't see any sense in resigning him. We have Lukaku now who is more mobile and our creative players should be better this year due to that. Rashford and Martial are backups at CF who can also run in behind.

As for a book, I've just finished reading one called The Mixer, it's about how and why premier league tactics have evolved over the last 25 years. If you enjoy the more tactical side football with insights into how managers have developed their teams it is a very good read.

I'm now reading another called The European Game: the secrets of European football's success. Only about half way but it outlines the different ways European clubs develop their business, players etc. Also very good.

4.) 27 Jul 2017 14:39:14
My favourite story about Cantona, is where some of the senior players at the time, would offer the likes of Scholes, Butt and other junior players at the time, a chance to add to their win bonuses with some type of gamble or bet. He always rewarded the ones who stepped up and took a shot at whatever challenge it was, even if they lost. Probably encouraging gambling, but I like the sentiment behind it.

{Ed001's Note - for me what made the difference about Cantona was that he always stayed behind after training to work on something about his game. That was what made Fergie give him so much leeway around the club, because the very first training session Cantona asked if it was ok if he stayed on to work on something (I can't remember what it was). Fergie always believed it was him that rubbed off on the likes of Beckham and inspired him, and others, to stay behind and practice shooting or free kicks after training was finished.}

5.) 27 Jul 2017 14:39:40
Fully agreed AJH. He was just something else. It says a lot when people like Neville still talk about him with so much respect and are still in awe of him.
I was just reading the part about when he missed that penalty. I don't know why, but he really seemed to let himself go off the pitch. He had visibly put on weight but the man that he is, his interests reached far beyond football. I think as you mentioned, he felt like an ordinary player after that miss and did not want to play if he could not perform as he had done in previous seasons. Trescothick's book is a good shout. Thank you
Zidaniel - I just feel that if Jose decides to keep him on then he will look to accommodate both. Just my gut feeling. He could ask Zlatan to take a supporting role, coming off the bench more often than starting but I really don't think Zlatan would accept that. I agree on there not being leaders in the mold of Cantona around any more. I think leaders these days are the ones who just go out and perform week after week. Players who get their teams out of tight situations and win games individually. You named a good few in your post. They're just not leaders off the pitch as much as they are on it. Maybe more to do with the modern times. Players are making the most of the money on offer and look to push their own individual agendas off the pitch.
RJ - Thank you for the suggestions. They do sound interesting and I will definitely give them a go.

6.) 27 Jul 2017 14:44:59
Sorry forgot to explain, what he asked for was a couple of youth teamers to stay behind with him and help him work on something.

7.) 27 Jul 2017 14:47:05
Love that story too Noucamp. You just couldn't see something like that happening now.

8.) 27 Jul 2017 15:24:28
Totally, Ed001. It's what separates the truly inspiring players from the rest of them. Going that extra yard to achieve perfection. Just my opinion, but with everything coming so easy for young players today, where everything is laid on a plate for them, and someone is there to wipe their bum's for them, I think that sort of dedication is getting rarer. It's essential that the junior coaches drill that work ethic into them, but sometimes I think they're fighting a losing battle.

{Ed001's Note - agreed.}

9.) 27 Jul 2017 15:26:58
Still my favourite player of all time.

We all rightly praise Fergie, but without Cantona we wouldn't have been the same time.

Even with all the superstars who have graced the premier league, for me personally, Cantona was the greatest ever player to play in our league. No one player had such an impact as Cantona did

Greatest player ever.

10.) 27 Jul 2017 16:38:42
Bizarrely, he was signed on a whim when the Leeds chairman rang Edwards to inquire about Irwin. SAF was in the room and mouthed 'ask him if we can buy Cantona' and the rest is history

Ed, you didn't read my first comment, I referenced the additional training, most of the class of '92 were involved because in 92/ 93 they were not in the first team squad, what a great introduction for them.

{Ed001's Note - yes but I was explaining why that rubbed off on them, because he asked for some of them to stay behind and help him. I wasn't missing it, I was trying to give more detail mate. Apologies if that didn't come across well.}

11.) 27 Jul 2017 16:52:48
No worries Ed. As a middle aged bloke I don't have many heroes but as you can probably guess, Eric is one of them. I had my season ticket back then and he strolled around Old Trafford with his collar up like the king cockerel. He was breathtaking at times.

{Ed001's Note - the greatest players are not those who stand out for their individual talents, great though they may be, the greatest talents are those who raise others up by their play as well. He was easy to detest as an opponent but easy to see why he was so beloved of the fans too.}

12.) 27 Jul 2017 18:22:23
It was odd because internationally and in Europe he rarely excelled yet in domestic competitions in he was incredible. I think he changed our club and took us on to that final level we needed. I think the only year he didn't win a League Winners medal was the year of his ban (the less said about that the better)

13.) 27 Jul 2017 19:25:32
There's a reason my name is Eric on here and have named my cat after the big man. There's no greater honour surely.



03 Jul 2017 11:47:13
Hello All,

I'm excited at the way in which we could line up next season. The potential is there for a very strong spine. De Gea, Lindelof, Baily, Pogba and then Matic and Morata (most likely) . Physically, we will have no issues and a lot of the time we will be over powering teams. My only concern is we tend to get found out by teams that play quick football with good technicians. This isn't a recent issue either. I think we have had this problem for a while.

Baily and Lindelof are strong, quick, athletic players and defensively, I don't think we have much to be concerned about. I worry a lot however, about the attacking side of things. We didn't finish our chances last year and even when we had Zlatan in the team, he himself missed clear cut chances.

All our play would go through Zlatan and I wonder if this is how Jose would intend to use Morata. If he does, then I don't think Morata will bring a lot of goals to the team, I think he will be expected to bring wide players in to the game as well as laying off the ball to a number 10. These 3 players plus a CM will have to be the players who bring the goals to the team. Of course Morata will still be expected to score goals but I don't think he will be a 20 a season type striker. He is very good at holding the ball up and bringing others in to play.

I would assume if Matic is signed then he will sit in front of the back 4 with Pogba pushed further up field. Jose tends to favour a 4231, so I wonder if Herrera will be the player to play just ahead of our CDM with Pogba playing more like a number 10. Being given a free role.

If we sign Morata, then he will obviously be on the team sheet as our striker. This leaves space for 2 wide players. I would like this to be Martial and Rashford. Mikhtaryan, Mata, Jesse would be the players to try and fight for a first team spot. If Perisic was indeed signed or another winger if Inter continue to play hard ball, then will someone be sold? Mata potentially? I think Jose would be most likely to let him go (unfortunately) .

We have A LOT of players who will struggle for game time. I worry for Pereira especially. He will really have to take any chance given to him. We have Fellaini and Carrick as cover for CM. Blind maybe? Jones and Rojo at CB with Smalling seemingly on his way out.

Fullbacks we have major issues. Valencia is our best one but he is older now and can't be expected to put in a shift week in week out. I do hope we bring in Semedo. If we are to set up with this team then our full backs really do need to be able to provide some help in attack.

The biggest problem we would face in signing Matic and Morata is that it will affect the mobility of the team. All of the best teams (Madrid, Bayern, Barce), have a lot of mobile players, chopping and changing positions. We will not get that under Jose.

He will set up to stifle these sort of teams and look to our wide players and special players like Pogba to provide that spark. It's also why Griezmann would have been ideal. In my opinion he would be perfect for Jose, so I do hope we go back in for him. Is that the plan for January maybe?

Anyway, interesting summer ahead with lots of questions to be answered.


1.) 03 Jul 2017 12:18:41
I think we may see a return to something a little more like a 4-4-2 with a 4-3-3 in the bigger games.

The reason I say this is that Rashford is going to play, and if we buy Morata I think he will benefit from playing alongside someone. Martial would suit this system. Perisic is a typical winger, so would keep width left and Mkhitaryan could be a little more free on the right. Alternatively, Lingatd can stay wide right also. Pogba and Herrera is sufficient in most games, and we could drop a striker for big away games bringing in Carrick or a new defensive midfielder. We don't need a defensive midfielder against the mid and lower table opposition.

2.) 03 Jul 2017 13:25:52
I agree with all of that but I'm not sure if Jose does. For some reason I feel if Matic is signed he will be used a lot. As fans, we would like to see more of a 442 or 433.

3.) 03 Jul 2017 15:01:09
4-1-3-2 matic holding. Pogba miki herrera as the 3 and morata and Rashford/ martial as the 2. For the big games carrick plays instead of one of the dtrikers and sits with matic. that's how i see us playing.

4.) 03 Jul 2017 17:15:15
Much like his Inter team then?

5.) 03 Jul 2017 17:39:15
4132 also looks very exciting on paper. Martial and Rashford would really have to step up then.
I also think we could see Zlatan being given a deal. Has this ship sailed eds? Are we done with Zlatan or is it possible that Jose offers him a new deal? Thanks.

6.) 03 Jul 2017 18:17:19
I didn't watch enough of inter to be able to say so i will take your word for it fresh.
4-1-3-2 manages to get our best players in there best positions so seems the logical formation currently to me. But it could all change by the time the window closes.




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26 Jul 2017 12:55:36
I worry about his injury record and the cost of bringing him to Okd Trafford. As both of you mentioned, IF fit, he would easily be the best player in the league. I just don't think we would be able to rely on him for a sustained period of time. I would definitely be over the moon if he joined and proved his fitness.




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18 Jul 2017 17:03:37
I was messaging a friend before who said Inter are asking for large bonuses/ add ons and that is holding the deal up majorly. I don't know how true this is of course but it may well be the case. I doubt ed002 will confirm as it is to do with money and we really don't know the ins and outs of such major deals.

With the player supposedly off to China for pre-season, I think Jose may ask Woodward to tie it up as quickly as possible. If not, I really do wonder if we could convince Sanchez to join us and convince Arsenal to sell to us. I know ed002 has said this is a no go at this moment in time. With the reported fee of around 40odd million plus bonuses, Sanchez, with one year left on his contract, could well go for around 15m more than Perisic. Are we missing a trick here by not trying? Of course, he could have no interest in joining us anyway.




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17 Jul 2017 14:21:04
Didn't ed mention Handanovic?

Just to add, I think Romero deserves his chance if DDG leaves. He hasn't let us down.





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09 Aug 2017 10:39:58
Honestly think we have a great chance to win the league this season.




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30 Jul 2017 12:45:53
I would be disappointed if we added another midfielders. Pereira will do well for us if given a chance.




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30 Jul 2017 12:23:35
Does anyone think we will sign another midfielder?
I'd like to think Pereira will be given a chance now.




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30 Jul 2017 12:22:33
Thanks for clearing that up ed.