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07 Jun 2016 20:37:54
Hi Guys

According to Sky Bailly has passed his medical and so it starts.

1.) 07 Jun 2016 21:05:35
Really do hope so. I like the look of this guy!

2.) 08 Jun 2016 00:17:32
So did Torres when he blitzed him and ripped him a new one.

3.) 08 Jun 2016 12:47:20
Wow a young player makes a mistake in one game. Has he done the same since then?

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02 Nov 2016 21:52:29
Hi Guys
I understand that Warren Joyce has been appointed the new Wigan manager. I think he has done an amazing job with U21's ae will be a big loss for the youngsters of the club.
I would like to wish Warren the very best of luck in his new post.

1.) 02 Nov 2016 22:36:20
Give it Giggsy until the end of the season 😜.

2.) 03 Nov 2016 00:47:37
Think Warren is on a hiding to nothing at Wigan. Wish him every success if it is true though as he is a really nice guy and been very loyal and successful at Utd.

3.) 03 Nov 2016 06:36:24
Any news on his replacement?

4.) 03 Nov 2016 16:19:27
Scholes?

5.) 04 Nov 2016 11:39:48
It's Nicky Butt.

22 Aug 2016 16:20:13
Hi Guys

I would like to wish Dennis Law a speedy recovery. I read earlier that he has been rushed to hospital. A true United legend.

02 Jul 2016 14:07:01
Hi Guys

Thank you Giggsy for everything you have done for United. Good luck where ever you go. United Legend.

08 Jun 2016 13:09:07
Hi Guys

Welcome to United Eric Bailly.

30 May 2016 17:20:55
Hi Eds

Is there any news on whether Warren Joyce is leaving to Join Blackburn or not. If he does is that the opening for Ryan Giggs to dip his toe into management.

{Ed004's Note - No confirmation yet about Joyce. He has done a remarkable job. However I feel Giggs should leave the club and try and make a career for himself somewhere. Just to prove he has what it takes}

1.) 30 May 2016 19:47:18
I'd rather Giggs move on and try and forge his career away from the club over the next few years.

He has been a wonderful player for us and a true legend.

But as a member of the coaching staff he has been part of two failed regimes. I wonder how hard it must have been for Moyes and LvG to try and establish a firm grasp of the dressing room while their heir apparent was wandering around the place.

Also how hard has Giggs worked to try ahd truely help the managers who is his eyes are keeping his seat warm, one which he is impatient to take for himself.

2.) 30 May 2016 23:55:49
I would like Giggs to stay and learn first hand from Mourinho. For all his bad points LVG also had positives so combined with his experience of LVG Sir Alex and now Jose surely Giggs wld be a more complete and better Manager in the future? If he can't learn from those three he might as well give up. Doesn't mean he himself will be a top coach bit he ought to be able to pick up their good ideas.

3.) 31 May 2016 07:49:58
Theres far more in the actual doing than the watching. Watching a world class footballer won't make me one, just like Giggs watching how a world class manager manages won't make him one.

Keane was managed by both Sir Alex and Clough, yet he was a poor manager.

Yes you can learn from great managers, but ypu don't have to spend half your career under them to do that. Pochettino had lunch with Sir Alex, Pep spent an afternoon with Biesla.

Giggs needs to fly the nest if he is ever going to make it.

4.) 31 May 2016 08:55:18
herefordred this is man utd fc not manager training academy, giggs for me needs to go, unless he proves his worth in a real job, he should be nowhere near the utd job, also what do other posters think about giggs being foisted onto incoming manager, nowhere in the world have i seen, a manager being forced to include a guy who want's to be the manager's successor, in his coaching team, mourinho hasn't been here a week and the likes of yorke have already started the giggs as next manager campaign. It will only get worse when some bad results happen. Sir Alex was never forced to have a no 2 who wanted to be his successor, why should mourinho be forced.

5.) 31 May 2016 10:11:24
I never understand this line of thinking, that to be a United manager, you need to have experience managing some lower league club. What do the two have in common at all? The experiences would be like chalk and cheese.

Getting along on a shoestring budget would if anything, make him more parsimonious in his thinking, and look how Moyes got slated for not having the experience of spending big on players. And if it doesn't work out, and let's face it, the best managers in the world will look pretty average managing a club with little funds or a decent infrastructure, where does that leave his career?

Better he gets the U21 job, and continues to learn from one of the best in the business. Did Barcelona and RM send Pep and Zidane out to some far-flung outpost, to hone their managing skills? No, they kept them in-house, preparing them for the top job, whilst honing their skills.

If at the end of Mourinho's rule, Giggs is deemed to have made enough progress, both by the board and Mourinho, then he should be considered for the role next time. Certainly, if Mourinho, who most think is some sort of God, says Giggs would be good enough after that, who here would argue with him?

6.) 31 May 2016 11:03:51
Nou its funny you first question the fact that he should not go any lower league club, then go on to cite pep and zidane as examples when they managed Barcelona and real b and c sides who ironically play in the lower spanish leagues. Also u21 and Spanish B side are very different mate, B sides play in what would be championship level in england, u21 is more like league 2 level. Pep guardiola played under different managers in different leagues, he travelled around the world to learn from the people he thought were good managers, zidane has similar experiences, giggs has never been under any manager other than sir alex, his only other experiences have been under moyes and van gaal, and if media reports leaked by our supposed players are to be believed he hated their football. That for me does not look like someone who is trying to learn, but rather wants to be the manager because he somehow feels utd owe him that. U21 football for me isn't about winning, its about developing kids, warren joyce has done a good job with the current lot, if anything we should make sure he stays, rather than turning u21's into some sort of training exercise for ryan giggs


No one said he has to go manage in championship but rather that he has to go and manage at a decent level, prove he is as good as his mates in the media claim him to be. Barcelona when pep took over had messi, xavi, iniesta, toure, puyol. Zidane's real have ronaldo, kroos, ramos, navas, modric. Give me one name in our team right now that compares to the above talents, barring ddg we have no one else who walks into the first 11 of top teams of the world. Man utd are right now in no position to take a risk on someone as inexperienced, even if mourinho fails or goes in 3 years time giggs should not get the job unless he has proven other wise.



What i don't get is why do you assume mourinho would even consider giggs as his successor, van gaal knew he was retiring in 3 years, so atleast that made some sense, mourinho still has at the very least 10-12 years before he even contemplates retirement, he even anointing a successor would be bizarre. Mourinho has his own men who he has worked with, who he trusts, mourinho is not going to not hire them because he has giggs, it will just be giggs added to the list of assistants, wherein he will be a glorified mascot, nothing more, its better for everybody if he leaves, if he doesn't i won't be surprised that a few bad results and scholes will be back to calling utd rubbish, various other club legends who somehow always turn out be people who are friends with giggs, will start clamoring for mourinho to be sacked and giggs be given a chance. That is the sort of rubbish that the club could do without, Also as shappy earlier said, how can any one in trust giggs to work hard for mourinho when giggs himself is gunning for the manager's job and would actually benefit from mourinho's failure.

7.) 31 May 2016 11:12:49
Stevie, both Zidane and Pep managed in an actual competitve league, where as our under 21 league just isn't the same level.

Did Sir Alex just walk into the top job or did he prove himself at a lower level?

Did Mourinho just walk into a top job or did he have to work his way up?

If Giggs is that good a manager he will end up at a top club, the cream always rises to the top.

But it creates a very fractuious dressing room when the guy who will be taking over from the current manager is strutting around the place.

8.) 31 May 2016 13:17:56
We can use different managers to suit our respective arguments, Shaps. I really don't think it matters that much, if someone is obviously being groomed for a job at a particular club. Like I said, if at the end of Mourinho's reign, he and other professionals believe Giggs to be ready, after seeing how he does with the U21s, then consideration should be given to that view. And cream doesn't always rise to the top, mate. That's a glib phrase, which overlooks any number of circumstances at a particular club. I prefer 'you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear', personally. I'd say there are a lot of talented young managers out there, who for any number of debilitating reasons at their particular club, are not getting the chance to shine.

CSM - using the RM and Barcelona 'academy' teams as examples of lower league football, is disingenuous, when it's quite clear that they still operate under the umbrella of the two clubs, offering them all the back up and resources they need. Pep and Zidane were hardly slumming it. There is also no pressure on those teams to do well - they regularly finish mid-table or worse, with Castilla being relegated a couple of times.

Are you really comparing managing them to managing a Bradford or a Preston?

9.) 31 May 2016 13:21:41
And CSM, I don't know where you thought I assumed that Mourinho would want Giggs as his successor. I believe I wrote, "If at the end of Mourinho's rule, Giggs is deemed to have made enough progress, both by the board and Mourinho, then he should be considered for the role next time". There is no assumption there, whatsoever, hence my use of the word, 'if' at the start of my point.

10.) 31 May 2016 15:15:17
nou i don't know much about bradford or preston, so i cannot objectively answer your that particular question, but i believe that managing in u21's league and managing in actual professional league are 2 different things, a simple example would be young players, where do you think they would learn more, in u21 or championship football, same goes for the manager. Ryan giggs to me looks more and more a pampered prima donna who somehow thinks he deserves to be a utd manager, he has been part of 2 failed regimes, yet he is still here, steve round, frans hoek, that stuivberg guy, all had their jobs dependent on their boss's success, somehow giggs's job isn't.

About the giggs as successor i might have misunderstood so my bad. But i would really hope giggs is never chosen without actually doing something worthwhile, though i wouldn't be surprised if we still choose giggs someday even without a good enough resume, after all these were the folks who hired moyes. Also u conveniently remain silent on my last point, do u honestly beleive that giggs can be trusted to not make trouble for mourinho. given giggs's loyalty issues i find it hard to swallow.

11.) 31 May 2016 16:29:01
Sorry, mate. I was reading off a very small screen on my ancient phone, and I didn't see the last bit. As regards loyalty, we only have tittle tattle to base that on. Scholes, the most high-profile of Giggs' supposed coterie of cheerleaders, is working as a pundit - it's his job to comment, and he was only saying what most fans were thinking about the LVG regime. Other ex-players have opinions, but it takes a big leap of belief to link that criticism with some sort of cabal working to install Giggs as manager. Let's face it, everyone was criticising Utd last season, not just mates of Giggs.

You could also argue, that despite the football of LVG and Moyes being largely underwhelming, Giggs, despite what he must have been thinking about it, stayed quiet and never let it be known publicly if he agreed with both managers. That surely counts as loyalty to both his managers. Or a lack of balls according to some on here who accused him of being a yes man. Because so many assistant managers publicly upbraid their boss in public.

We'll probably never know the truth. None of us are privy to the inner workings at the heart of the club, so we can only form opinions on what we read. Too many people on here last season, saying Giggs should be doing this behind the scenes, or not doing that, when it's all really guesswork and supposition. Who knows how good a coach he is, or what his man-management skills are like, really? But I'd trust, by the end of Mourinho's reign, that it'll be a lot more evident either way, depending on any recommendations made by those at the heart of the club.

12.) 31 May 2016 17:15:58
fair enough nou. cheers mate.

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17 May 2016 16:26:27
Hi Guys
I have to be honest when I first saw this on Sky Sports my first thought was that it gave LvG an honourable way out. Only time will tell I guess. Personally I hope he takes it and Jose comes in to rebuild our great team and restore us to the once feared side we were.

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15 May 2016 11:07:55
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He may be on a free but his wage demands will be astronomical. The numbers that have been quoted are as high as £600,000 a week. LvG has stated that he wants fast forwards well that certainly isn't Ibra which isn't surprising at his age. I think he could score goals in the Premiership but in a team that creates a bundle of chances and that certainly isn't us at the moment. That money would be better spent on other options in my humble opinion.