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12 Nov 2022 14:51:44
Seems Fred will be released at the end of the season instead of extending for the extra year. Good call imo if ETH has an idea of a replacement.
For far too long we have been holding onto mediocre dross ‘to protect value’.

FZZ

1.) 12 Nov 2022 16:30:15
I don't see it myself. I think more managers than we'd care to believe would love to have a Fred in their squad. He's in the middle of the pitch for the favourites for the World Cup.

{Ed014's Note - I assume you mean Championship/league one managers


2.) 12 Nov 2022 16:37:11
Fred has a terrible first touch and passing is horrendous. If he starts every game for Brazil he will be back in time for the Carabo Cup game fresh as a daisy.

EtH is no mug, he will want good quality players going forward and Fred isn’t one of them.


3.) 12 Nov 2022 19:29:33
Many fans are suffering from Stockholm syndrome with Fred. He's one of the most technically challenged footballers that iv ever watched. His work rate is fantastic, he's tenacious, but there's zero point in having a player who's decent at winning the ball if a simple 5 yard pass is too difficult for him.

He's an oxymoron. His job is to win possession when in fact he gives it away.

Going back to Fergies last few years we were too loyal to players who weren't good enough. A decade later we were looking at a bloated squad on mega wages many if whom aren't good footballers. Time for Fred to go and a better player brought in to replace him.


4.) 13 Nov 2022 12:02:06
I’d agree. He’s not good enough. Very likeable character for sure who works super hard, but he’s not going to help control games which is was ETH wants from his midfield. Time to move on and replace, or bump up a youngster.


 

 

30 Apr 2022 16:41:21
Questions for eds/ shappy?

Do you think if a full time manager took straight over from Solskjaer we would be seeing these people leaving and the terrible lacklustre performances continuing OR is this current way necessary to get to the root of the problems before a new manager comes in?

FZZ

{Ed002's Note - It would depend who the coach was but I would have expected some of those to have resigned anyway.}


1.) 30 Apr 2022 18:33:21
?? Thank you Ed.


 

 

24 Apr 2022 19:51:15
Reports real or not?

Paul Mitchell has agreed to become the new head of recruitment at #mufc ✅

#mufc currently negotiating with #Monaco to finalise deal ?

He has requested to hire new top scouts to rebuild his new structure

His relationship with Rangnick has played a big role.

FZZ

1.) 24 Apr 2022 20:21:25
Definitely interest but nothing finalised.

Chelsea still discussing him apparently so probably he’ll either got to us or them.


2.) 24 Apr 2022 20:45:47
Would be the perfect next step if it happened but nothing agreed from Nyone reputable.


3.) 24 Apr 2022 20:52:25
If this turns out to be true, is Ralf single handedly rebuilding this club.


4.) 24 Apr 2022 21:22:36
Sadly we will probably end up with Phil Mitchell.


5.) 24 Apr 2022 21:45:13
Paul Mitchell as head of recruitment would be a dream come true. Someone with the contacts and the expertise to dramatically improve our recruitment at the club.


6.) 24 Apr 2022 23:08:50
Every new day will bring a new rumour onthe staff and players. Until it’s announced with that little yellow banner on Sky, or Ed2 says it’s happening, I’d pay no heed to any of it.


7.) 25 Apr 2022 15:11:15
He is only allowed to come if he smuggles Tchouameni in with his hand luggage….


8.) 25 Apr 2022 15:30:57
Ralf rebuilding the club you are joking right, his win rate is the worst of any united manager for decades!


9.) 25 Apr 2022 17:12:12
Juicer, Rangnick as a manager has been underwhelming. Although to be fair it sounds like half the issue is that the players refuse to listen to the manager unless he massages their ego. They played for Ole because he gave them everything they wanted. These players checked out the moment Ole left and someone else came in to tell them to run and sweat.

However, Rangnick's true talents seem like they fit more of club builder than that of coach. He helped build Red Bull Leipzig into a genuine Bundesliga force.

Effectively he has come in as a temporary place holder in the managers position, which he seems to have used as a scouting mission to get to grips with the club and what the problems are at the club. He can assess those above him with a genuine insight into what their job entails as he has done that job. While he can also get a hands on look at the players, what they are like and what they are capable of.

All of that knowledge can then be fed back into future decision making through his consultancy role.

That's the value of Rangnick. With the players we have, their mentality and how we started the season there wasn't a manager on earth who could have turn this season into a successful season.

Rangnick has enable the club to have the time to assess the manager market and in my opinion make a sense choice for our next manager.

He has gathered vital information which he can pass on to EtH and people like Murtaugh, Fletcher, Arnold and anyone else in a position of power at the club for the next two years to help the club make better footballing decisions within a larger footballing strategy/ vision.

I think given the circumstances he has done a decent job. We were never getting near a trophy this season, while top four was always going to be a tough ask given how the players have acted and the level of competition in the EPL. Thank god Rodgers is fumbling at Leicester as they are a club that if playing well could easily finish above us on current form.

The next manager will hopefully benefit from the work Rangnick has done. The next manager will have a smaller more streamlined squad, hopefully devoid of the chief trouble makers. He will have pre-season to get them up to speed both physically and tactically.

Let's see how he does, but to not listen to one of the best DoF in world football when attempting to rebuild the club because he didn't win anything in the 6 months he held down the fort while the club navigated a storm seems curlish and shortsighted.


10.) 25 Apr 2022 17:57:23
Think Juicer is the latest wind-up merchant.


11.) 25 Apr 2022 18:31:54
Here we go, exactly what I said Ken have another opinion and your a wind up merchant Spenno why is your opinion so correct? / / I love to know.


 

 

28 Mar 2022 13:14:38
Shaw and Rashford about to be offered new contracts according to m. e. n.

FZZ

1.) 28 Mar 2022 13:22:04
Makes sense, both have a year plus a one year option left on their deals. The club will be moving to make sure they don't lose too many assets over the next couple of years after losing Pogba, Lingard, Mata and Cavani for nothing this summer.

I'd expect to see them either extend or sell Matic this summer as well as he is entering his final year.


2.) 28 Mar 2022 14:26:27
Good news.


3.) 28 Mar 2022 14:26:57
Makes sense? Rashford maybe, Shaw not at all. We need to stop being so protective over value and get the wrong uns out the club. Offering them new deals with increased wages does nothing to help that. But after your valiant defence of Shaw yesterday I am not surprised one bit.


4.) 28 Mar 2022 15:19:35
Why would the treat matic different to mata?
Hopefully matic leaves.
Hopefully we get an offer for Shaw and maguire but it's not likely. Shaw can potentially improve under poch but who knows.


5.) 28 Mar 2022 16:08:41
I think Shaw has more potential to improve under a different manager than AWB.

He can be very effective when used the correct way and in a system that wouldn't expose his issues. While a good coach would be able to improve some of his tactical weaknesses.

AWB while would improve in his tactical awareness with a better coach, I doubt there is much that can be done with his technical ability. Especially as he turns 25 at the start of next season. His touch, passing and crossing are unlikely to drastically improve. Which is a shame, as he seems like a decent enough lad, or at least he keeps his head down.


6.) 28 Mar 2022 17:50:21
A new contract for either Shaw or Rashford is madness. Neither has been earned and foists their attitude on to us and a new manager for years to come. If either are there next season they are lucky.


7.) 28 Mar 2022 22:07:28
Rashford doesn't deserve a new contract he has arguably been our worst player this season along with Maguire. I wouldn't even be giving bruno a new deal either they want to get the manager sorted first. I would be sitting tight on any new deals at the moment, especially with the performances from these players. According to reports Rashford is considering his future anyway so a new deal is ridiculous right now.


8.) 29 Mar 2022 14:14:09
Damon,

Your last sentence makes me laugh, he’s ‘considering his options’ so that he gets a new contract, it’s just how the game works, can’t believe people fall for that. He’s had a bad few months that’s for sure but we definitely don’t want to lose him for free so a new contract makes total sense. Same with Shaw, he’s England’s left back, we can’t let him go for free, would be madness.


9.) 29 Mar 2022 22:57:06
GDS2,

Rashford has over two years left on his current deal so I don't know what nonsense you are talking about to be honest ?. I don't see what was so funny it made you laugh either ?‍♂️. Are you actually watching Rashford play? He is not a player who looks like he is playing to get a new contract at all he looks completely disinterested. So you think that Rashford deserves a new contract with a pay rise because I can guarantee it won't be on the same terms or for less than he is on now. Nobody has mentioned letting them go for free either you are simply making things up. Let's see the season out and get our club in order before we dish out unwarranted contracts out!


 

 

02 Oct 2018 18:32:57
Reports suggesting De Gea not in the squad tonight.

FZZ

1.) 02 Oct 2018 18:58:43
Forget that, he's starting, silly rumour started by the MEN.


 

 

 

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18 Mar 2023 17:17:51
EtH being rewarded for his good start of being manager with a new contract. Great news.

FZZ

 

 

14 Aug 2022 22:54:34
Apparently joel glazer has input to the smallest detail.
We had thee Thiago wrapped up before he signed for Liverpool, however Joel Glazer stopped the deal because Thiago wanted a 4 year contract but Glazer would only allow him 3.
The myth the Glazers don’t have any input is nonsense and anyone says different hasn’t a clue.

FZZ

1.) 15 Aug 2022 06:11:40
As owners i am pretty sure they would have to sign off on all transfers. Doubt the executives at the club can just do things without their blessings. so the story could be true.


2.) 15 Aug 2022 07:55:12
Yet good owners leave it to the football people to make the football decisions.

Nothing will change till the glazers are gone ten hag won’t last the season and then we will all be talking about the same issues again this time next year

Ground hog day every season with us.


3.) 15 Aug 2022 08:24:10
Its also apparently joel who is blocking ronaldos exit, as eth and many staff believe he should be let go. Get fhe feeling a lot of sponsorships and revenue are tied with ronnie if he goes so do they. Commercial interests will always trump football ones with our current ownership so we aren't going anywhere anytime soon.


4.) 15 Aug 2022 08:29:18
At the very least we need a decent scouting and recruitment structure.

How on earth have a club like United not got one?

Everyone rise seems to got something.

Jyst such incredible ineptitude.


5.) 15 Aug 2022 08:39:08
R. Rs point exactly- you need football people in excecutive football positions to make footballing decisions.

Jim ratcliffe toucched on it recently in Chelsea takeover bid- leave football decisions to the football experts -business decisions to the business experts at any club.


6.) 15 Aug 2022 08:52:13
To be fair, Thiago is one of the most injury prone players around and missed around half of Liverpool’s games through injury during his first two seasons at the club. That’s only going to get worse over the next few years of his Liverpool contract, by the end of which he will be 33.


7.) 15 Aug 2022 03:52:48
Ed002 told us that the Glazers don’t have input at that level.


8.) 15 Aug 2022 10:40:34
Gds2

Did not know that. Interesting.


9.) 15 Aug 2022 10:54:31
and its made up nonsense, thiago was never joinig utd.


10.) 15 Aug 2022 14:38:54
That info was leaked by someone inside the club.


 

 

11 Jul 2022 14:58:24
Question along the lines of wage reduction below.
Any new players coming in, do they start with a similar % reduction and it rises in line with the rest of the squad if they get back into the champions league or do they start with their set wages and it would reduce if they stayed in the Europa League the following season?

FZZ

1.) 11 Jul 2022 18:49:44
Don’t think any of us could answer that one FZZ.

They should be looking at having a proper wage structure and having players at the club for the right reasons. That’s all I’m hoping for.


2.) 11 Jul 2022 21:56:06
Can't imagine a player coming in on a reduction of wages after a season that he did not contribute to the reason of said reduction.


3.) 12 Jul 2022 17:35:57
I guess he could come in on a wage with a bonus for ECL qualification though.


 

 

09 Jul 2022 20:18:19
Despite United reaching an outline agreement on a fee, and the combined efforts of Barcelona, the player’s agent and Ten Hag to persuade De Jong to accept the transfer, he has repeatedly stated his intention to remain at Barcelona.

This is from Duncan Castles. Should Utd move on now…?

FZZ

1.) 09 Jul 2022 21:31:50
FZZ if I was owed £17 million quid I’d be standing my ground to I get it.


2.) 09 Jul 2022 21:38:50
Fdj had never wanted to leave Barca, so as some of us have been saying for months, just move on and get a decent DM. Tbh, I would have bought Rice and no other player. We need that position sorting and Rice plays in so many positions.
Will see what happens from here, but I will not be buying fdj or Ericksen.


3.) 09 Jul 2022 23:38:10
Doesn’t matter if it were Barcelona or Leyton Orient if i were owed l £17m I’d say I’m staying put till I get it.


4.) 10 Jul 2022 01:55:58
AAA
Problem is, I'm not sure Rice wants to come to utd. And westham don't need to, or want to sell this year. So they would want well over $100m for him. Which is crazy money these days.
I do agree that he would be a fantastic player to anchor the midfield, he has incredible positioning, snuffs out danger often without fuss, but also is good with the ball both passing and driving forward.
Expecting he ends up at chelsea maybe in 12 or 18 months.


5.) 10 Jul 2022 06:37:57
Rice would be my number one player that we could buy. West Ham have been quite clear they don't want to sell so this year its a no go.

I think we go in for him next year as will others. Let's see where we are in terms of rebuild and what we as a club offer a player. For me I would telling Rice he is the player we build around, he will be our Captain and leader. He's the heir to throne of Keane Scholes Robson Charlton Edwards of World Class United Midfielders.

For Rice a a player I think staying at West Ham is probably the right thing, he is the on field Captain and focus o father team but this year he is also the club captain taking offer from Noble. Its a chance to grow again as a player. Which he has done every season.

It's not just about on the pitch for me, it's the off the pit h influence too we need leaders in the dressing room and by all accounts listening to Stuart Pearce on him he is this as well.

He is effectively under contract until 2025 so isn't going to be cheap next year either but United need to do everything they can to sign him imho.


6.) 10 Jul 2022 06:43:51
Dodgy, unfortunately, you might be right on both counts. But I think we would've had more chance persuading Rice to come than fdj. Rice is not signing a new deal, so although West Ham don't want to sell, he'll be worth every penny of the money they're asking for him. He's twice the player fdj will ever be.


7.) 10 Jul 2022 07:26:42
Rice and FDJ are different players who excel at different things.

FDJ is a far superior passer of the ball than Rice will ever be. He's on the same level as someone like KDB.

Rice of the other hand is more physically robust and more proactive defensively.

They play a similar role in different ways to suit their strengths. Both fantastic players.

Yet given their stylistic differences I wouldn't say one would be an alternative to the other if the manager has a specific style of play they wish to use.

Personally I think Ruben Neves is a must closer stylistic match for FDJ than Rice. He might be the kind of option EtH might want to switch to if the FDJ deal is not going to end with him holding up a United shirt.


8.) 10 Jul 2022 08:04:08
See, I don’t actually buy into all the hype surrounding FDJ if I’m totally honest, and he certainly isn’t on the same stratosphere as Kevin De Bruyne. He’s a good passer of a ball and obviously has some star quality, otherwise why would Barcelona have taken him. But to be honest he looked a lost soul at times last season. If you picked KDB up and plonked him in that Barcelona team he’d have shone from the get go. Me for one won’t be majorly heartbroken if we don’t get him.


9.) 10 Jul 2022 08:34:05
FiremanC, I think the quality of his passing is equal to KDB's not the level of his performances.

I think the issue FDJ is having at Barcelona is that he plays best in the same role that Busquets is playing. As a result he has been shunted out of position slightly which means he often can't play at his peak level as he isn't in his best position.


10.) 10 Jul 2022 10:17:29
AaA is it more important to you that the club do or try to do what the manager wants or is it more important that the club does what you want them to do?
Do you think the club should try and support the manager in getting the players he wants for his formation?
Or do you think you are better placed to know what's required than eth?
I'm asking simply because you have criticised the club before for signing 3rd or 4th choice players unwanted by managers like Fred or lindelof for example.
1 rice is not for sale.
2 he has never expressed an interest in joining united
3 he has never expressed an interest in. leaving West ham
4 he is too expensive
5 he is not a target for our manager.


11.) 10 Jul 2022 11:53:26
Yeah but apart from that Ken Utd should definitely be trying to buy him.


12.) 10 Jul 2022 12:29:41
I have never understood our collective love-in with Rice. He is so clearly destined for Chelsea. They can afford whatever fee West Ham put on him, he stays in London, likely in Champs League, and gets to play with his best mate Mason Mount.

I don't think he has ever expressed a desire to come to United. Its we who have expressed a desire in him.

Same with Bellingham. I do think the destination of both Rice and Bellingham is absolutely key. And suspecting they both move next summer United must be in the Champions League by then even to be in contention. Just as I see Rice at Chelsea, it looks to becoming more apparent Bellingham will be Liverpool bound. They already looking to take on his younger brother, Klopp will use his Dortmund connections to keep tabs on him I'm sure and not least Liverpool, like City, are a great side at the moment. Besides he has already turned us down once!

As we are showing with our pursuit of De Jong and prior to that Nunez, for now at least, we need a reality check that we will not get the star names or potential future stars that will rapidly improve us. We have to trust in Ten Hag. We will be back winning trophies eventually under his management. And I am sure we will be exciting to watch too. But it will take time. In the meantime good players will continue to go to our rivals.


13.) 10 Jul 2022 14:21:58
Ken, if the manager wants Fdj, which he clearly does, then that's fantastic and we should try to sign him. However, as you aptly and succinctly put it when I mentioned Rice the following apply to Fdj :
1 According to Laporta, fdj is not for sale.
2 he has never expressed an interest in joining united
3 he has never expressed an interest in leaving Barcelona
4 he is too expensive
5 he is a target but he's clearly not interested.

So, all the points you made re Rice, apply exactly to Fdj.

I just don't want to see another player being signed unless fully committed, and I'm sure you'll agree that Fdj isn't giving the vibes of someone who is itching to move to United.


14.) 10 Jul 2022 14:33:58
said before Rice wants Chelsea, if Chelsea want Rice who isn't signing a new contract then why would Chelsea go above 50 mill as opening bid, they don't need to do they? Every month that goes by he is a step closer to being a free agent. there would be no bidding auction for him.


15.) 10 Jul 2022 14:57:48
Let's wait n see AAA let's wait and see.
Fdj is for sale
He has said he wants united before Chelsea
But let's wait and see.
You appear to be the oracle so I'll bow to your greater knowledge.
Rice wants to go to Chelsea he will go to Chelsea.
Our manager has shown no interest in him what so ever but you want to force him on the manager.
Talking out of both sides of your mouth because you have criticised the club for doing that to previous managers.
But it's OK this time because you like rice.
No consistency from you.

{Ed014's Note - when did he tell you he wanted United before Chelsea mate?


16.) 10 Jul 2022 15:44:20
He didn't tell me as you know ed014.
It's been reported just as its been reported he turned down united.
I don't believe either necessarily but it's as likely 1 is as true as the other.

{Ed014's Note - ???


17.) 10 Jul 2022 16:17:11
It's a real weird one. They want him out but don't want to pay what they owe him is what it looks like to me. They provably want united to pay that too.
I would imagine they are sticking at it bedbugs he has indicated he will come if he gets his money.
Barcelona was an ownership m odel lots of our fans thought was a good one.
No model works if its run badly imo.


18.) 10 Jul 2022 18:14:35
It’s obvious that Barcelona are trying to milk us for every penny and it seems they are definitely wanting us to pay his deferred wages. They must know they are absolutely skint so it’s a case of who blinks first. If we get FDJ (which I personally don’t think we will) it’ll be last chuck in’s of the window I reckon.


19.) 10 Jul 2022 20:20:56
Shappy in what world is neves in any way similar to De Jong as a player.


20.) 10 Jul 2022 21:28:43
Caolan, try watching them. They are both passers, players who play with intelligence and movement rather than physicality. They move the ball and help control the tempo. Both have a good shot if they get forward but rarely do.

Both tend to play in the heart of midfield (No.6 or No.8) and like to drop back to pick the ball up off the defence before turning and progressing the ball forward. Both good dribblers, but tend to just use that skill to break the first line of pressure before passing the ball off rather than go on long mazy dribbles.

Neither are combative defensive midfielders, but still do a fair amount of defensive work by making space and stepping out to intercept the ball if the chance is there, rather than chasing the ball like a mad dog chucking in hard tackles.

I think that quantifies them as fairly similar.


21.) 11 Jul 2022 00:50:41
Watched neves plenty shappy, he’s in no way similar to De Jong ?. For starters I’m not sure I’ve ever seen neves beat a man.


22.) 11 Jul 2022 08:04:45
They are not similar at all.


 

 

25 Apr 2022 16:53:20
Looks like de Gea is being offered a new contract.

I can’t see this being run through ETH yet as he’s not signed anything. Surely you should let him look at him first and decide after? What’s going on here.

FZZ

1.) 25 Apr 2022 17:50:21
I'm sure there's not much to look at. He's easily been our most consistent and professional player since Fergie left.

Why would ETH like to look at him?


2.) 25 Apr 2022 18:32:23
Great news if true.


3.) 25 Apr 2022 18:33:57
Interesting one, he's already out second highest earner. While this season his form has been good, that is coming off the back of two years of poor form.

I would have thought EtH would have liked to see how he adapts to his style before tying him down to a long contract on high wages.

Can he play as a sweeper keeper and distributor from the back to the level EtH would need?

I'm not the only one who has asked that question.


4.) 25 Apr 2022 18:34:14
Do you honestly not think united speak with TH and already have his views on what he wants or don’t want…. Jesus this is hardwork on here.


5.) 25 Apr 2022 18:40:34
He barely comes off his line. He can’t use his feet. His communication with the defence is poor. He barely comes for crosses or corners and to top it off he’s an absolute pansy. Any more things?

He is a class shot stopper but that's it. You know he caused Liverpools first goal? Watch it back.


6.) 25 Apr 2022 18:56:47
Ok FZZ we sell 11 not 10 as the great RR says, so who do we replace De Gea with? This 200mil TH is supposed to have to spend is going a long way in your book
Ok keep saying he no good, he no good, but replace them with whom?


7.) 25 Apr 2022 19:14:02
The last position we should be looking at. There are another 10 problem positions. Not sure why this is of any concern to anyone.


8.) 25 Apr 2022 19:18:15
yh people are overhyping De Geas contribution this season, great shot stopper but compared to Allison and Ederson, De Gea looks pre historic as a goalkeeper.

Rooted to his line, can't pass the ball out from the back, doesn't come for crosses and isn't the greatest communicator.


9.) 25 Apr 2022 19:27:31
DSG. That’s not bad then if your only rating him behind City and Liverpool, in fact even player we have is behind City and Liverpools, so means De Gea is best of the rest I would take that, but bearing in mind both of them were over 60 mil don’t leave much left for the other 10 places we need to fill.


10.) 25 Apr 2022 19:40:51
We’ve more pressing issues to sort first imo. The sheer amount of shots he faces being the main one.


11.) 25 Apr 2022 20:12:09
Caolan and others with the same view.

We do have other problems but he is a big one defensively. He’s not top 3 in the Spanish squad never mind top 3 in the league.
Plus if he doesn’t play with his feet he isn’t use to Ten Hag. I’ve actually seen since I posted that he’s not keen on de Gea but has other issues to sort first.

Giving him a wage rise (if they are or not I don’t know) shouldn’t be our aim when we should be looking to lower the wage bill and rid of mercenaries.


12.) 25 Apr 2022 20:52:03
FZZ. Your reading speculation that TH don’t want! and now your classing DeGea as a mercenary! Quite unbelievable so other then Alison and city keeper who is better in premier league then?

What you mean he not even top 3 in Spanish squad what’s that got to do with us or premier league?

Another read the press listen to others and jump on the bandwagon remark, the press have no idea who TH wants or don’t we will also see now if he even wants DVB suppose you think he 100% starter, TH might be going to play a different way hopefully he not a one trick pony!
Shappy said when RR come players would improve but they all gone backwards so who knows but there is certainly changes to come before De Gea

Out of interest who would you have as Keeper?


13.) 25 Apr 2022 21:45:22
Juicer youve read that incorrectly, alison and ederson are the gold standard but plenty of goalies in the prem are better overall than De Gea.

Mendy for sure, Ramsdale this year has been better, Sa at Wolves, Sanchez at Brighton and Raya at brentford both get in for Spain ahead of De Gea.

What do you think Luis Enriques reasoning is for that?


14.) 25 Apr 2022 22:58:42
DDG a mercenary? He’s been our best players for years.


15.) 25 Apr 2022 23:06:06
Totally agree with FZZ and DSG. It is one of the main areas we have to address. Ddg staying on the line and poor communication and lack of distribution are the main factors we don't defend properly or launch fast counterattacks.
You watch the new keepers and they cut the danger out at source while ddg stays on his line, and having to make these saves.
I honestly cannot see the hype with Ddg.


16.) 25 Apr 2022 23:24:54
Everyone is over playing this utopian total footballing keeper. DDG has been excellent this season. He has faced a ridiculous amount of shots for a top half team - only a couple of bottom table teams have keepers who faces more.

He has saved pens - which I always felt he was very weak at, but recently has been better.

When he has let in a bit of a softer goal, he has almost without exception made another top class save in the same match.

Would not be surprised at all if ETH wants to keep him. Inspite of all of Shappy's essays to the contrary. However, I do hope the club are consulting ETH on these things, he needs I put to major first team changes.


17.) 25 Apr 2022 23:27:27
So what do you propose we do? Bin of de gea now whilst still needing to sort out a defensive midfielder, another number 8. At least one centre half and a full back (minimum one) . Another striker and probably another wide player.

De gea isn’t outstanding at coming of his line or sweeping etc, but my god he’s not probably one of the very few players who haven’t disgraced themselves the last few years.

It’s not football manager, we can’t just bring in a whole new first eleven. Take it in steps. Sort the defence and midfield is a priority. We’ve not been strong enough in those areas since 2013.


18.) 25 Apr 2022 23:33:02
I’m not a huge fan of DDG but I’m fine with offering him a new contract given the circumstances with other players leaving and his performances being ok in comparison to some of the other players…but it needs to be a reasonable wage. Every source I read suggests he’s on £375k a week, and the next best keeper in the league is on less than £150k. Why are we paying him so much?

If we give him a huge contract, he’s then incredibly hard to get out of the club if he fails to work with the new manager. Essentially we’ll need to pay him off. I cannot believe the money men at our club don’t realise that these big contracts make these player liabilities.

I’m also unclear on which club in the world would offer him that kind of money in today’s climate. Offer him a reasonable contract and see how committed he is to the club.


19.) 26 Apr 2022 00:55:41
Eth has more then likely told the club what players he wants to keep and wants to sell.


20.) 26 Apr 2022 01:06:00
Juicer for a new poster you seem to be all over every page immediately, talking about how all the regulars post and even calling people stupid, just be nice for once and it might not be so obvious.

In the next couple of years we will need to replace De Gea, he’s not in the top 10 things I think a new manager needs to do though. I’m surprised many haven’t mentioned a right full back, both of ours are absolutely woeful, Dalot’s only got 1 positive and that is that he isn’t wan bissaka.


21.) 26 Apr 2022 06:01:55
Arfonsal has hit the nail on the head. DDG is currently (before a new deal) the third highest paid player in the league. Only Ronaldo and KDB are paid more than him.

While he's been in great form for us this season would anyone say he's worth more per week than City or Liverpool's keepers? Or Salah, or Kane, or any of the players who would be in the conversation as best players in the league.

Even with this season's form I don't think DDG is in the top 5 keepers in the league. Probably just about makes the top 10.

I know a lot of people have an emotional attachment to a player who has been both great for us and has been here a long time. Yet I don't feel offering to increase the wages of the third highest paid player in the league is necessarily a great idea.

While he has been in good form this year, the two maybe even three previous seasons he has been declining and even poor last season. That shouldn't be overlooked.

I also think (like many others) that he doesn't have the skillset EtH has typically looked for in a keeper. That the weaknesses he has in his game make it difficult to both play out from the back and/ or play a high line. That's before we even get into his poor command of his area and his weakness with crosses which aren't necessarily a issue for how EtH tends to play but just a general weaknesses that aren't ideal for any keeper playing in any system.

Surely it would be prudent for the club to at least wait a few months until he has played under EtH for a while so that the manager can make a judgement on whether he can either develop DDG to learn and master skills he has yet to show he has, alter his playing style to cover the weaknesses DDG has or to decide that he isn't prepared to change his playing style and that DDG can't adapt and that he wants/ needs a new keeper.

The thing is that DDG's current wages mean that he is impossible to sell. Only one or two clubs in the world are able to match his 375k per week deal. Meaning if we sell him we would likely have to subsidise his wages at his new club. Which is mad and a terrible business model. Literally paying another companies employee to work for them.

DDG's wages mean the only way he can leave is on a free transfer. If the club give him a new deal he will be at the club for the entirety of that deal whether he's first choice or sat on the bench.

For that reason alone it makes sense to wait until EtH has worked with him and can decide on what he wants to do moving forward. Otherwise we could end up with a 400k+ per week sub who plays a few games a season for the next 3-4 years.


22.) 26 Apr 2022 06:47:08
De Gea's contract runs out in 2023 I think, which means next year we will be looking at a new GK. I would not extend him on his current wages and I don't think he would get that anywhere else.

I might be prepared to extend him for 2 years on a lower amount and kick the finding a new GK back a couple of years simply because there are so many priorities ahead of him for me.

DM, CM, CB x2, RB, LB, RW and Str for me although there is a couple of kiddies in FB and RW I think might make it.


23.) 26 Apr 2022 09:21:05
Shappy I am interested to know the vast amount of keepers who have been better than de gea this season?

Allison is the best in the world, Ederson follows closely. The only other one I could argue as being ahead of him our league this season is potentially Ramsdale, he has improved a lot.

We can talk all we want about what he does with the ball at his feet, but I am a bit old fashioned in the way that I don't care what he does apart from keeping the ball out the net. The same way I would rather a centre back who can defend first, rather than one who just looks good on the ball. There are many different ways to play football.


24.) 26 Apr 2022 09:36:36
I won’t argue about whos better than who Caolan but he’s not very good seriously. His shot stopping is blinding you. He is terrible at his near post, see man city and Liverpool at old trafford and watford away. He doesn’t come for anything, and when one on one he stays on his line. The disribution when he was younger was good, not its hit and hope. Heis luke shaw of the goal, good on his day but whines and whinges more often than not.


25.) 26 Apr 2022 09:43:31
Shappy, don't be worrying about what we are and are not paying to players, none of our concern and will only confuse you as we have no insight or knowledge into anything financially.

As a player, he has been fantastic despite a spell a couple of seasons ago and he has more than enough goodwill to cover that.

I'm only worried about what we will and will not produce on the pitch and there are a hatful of other issues to worry about before assessing the cost of probably our most consistent performer.


26.) 26 Apr 2022 09:55:31
DDG is poor at coming for crosses, bad at distribution and stays rooted to the goal line. Have a look at his stats in these areas and he is near the bottom in all these areas in the league. Although I agree he won't be an immediate concern since we have other pressing issues but renewing his contract at this stage and giving him a higher salary would be stupid on the club's behalf but not unsuprising.


27.) 26 Apr 2022 10:04:59
FZZ, it is not blinding me. I know his weaknesses, everyone does. But we have far more pressing issues to sort than the goalkeeping area. If De Gea doesn't fit the system Eth wants then play Henderson.

To improve we need to start limiting the chances opponents have against us. Norwich had around 15 at Old Trafford if I remember right. That to be quite honest is nothing short of a disgrace. Fix the main issues in the next 12-24 months, then make a decision the keeper. Klopp waited for Allison and Van Djik because they were the final piece in the jigsaw.

But remember, be careful what you wish for. Bravo came to city and was well known for his use of the ball and distribution. He was one of the worst keepers I have seen come to this league.


28.) 26 Apr 2022 10:13:04
I don’t think we should be extending his contract until ten hag has had a look at him, i’ve said that all along, i didn't say get rid of him straight away and replace him at the end of the season, again that's ten hags choice.


29.) 26 Apr 2022 10:20:17
Angel, in isolation I have no concern about what a player earns. However, there is a very real possibility that he might not be the long term first choice keeper under the next manager.

Once Ronaldo leaves DDG will be our highest earner. That position makes him hard to drop, you can't really have your highest paid player be a sub every week.

I'm not saying don't give DDG a new contract, I'm saying it would be prudent to wait until the new manager has his feet under the table and can make a educated decision based on how the player performs for him in his system before making an offer or not.

I felt the same about Bruno, even though I have less concerns about him adapting to EtH's tactics.

It's a mistake the club keep making, offering contracts to players to protect their asset value without the new/ next manager being able to make an informed decision.


30.) 26 Apr 2022 12:52:03
For all we know it could be just a year extension, like Bruno's. EtH then gets a year to work with him, if he doesn't want to keep him them I'm sure like Matic a deal will be arranged and he can go back to his family in Madrid.


31.) 26 Apr 2022 13:38:44
Lads Liverpool fan in peace - I wouldn't be too focused on this, could just be a years extension.

In fairness though, De Gea is one of the only Utd players (other one being Ronaldo) that can hold his head high this season. I think he's the 3rd best keeper in the league behind Allison and Ederson

Great shot stopper, distribution can be hit and miss though and doesn't command the area as well as those 2 I mentioned, but what a shot stopper. That's what he's paid for and does it well, honestly lads, the goalkeeper isn't an area yous have trouble with.


32.) 26 Apr 2022 15:15:34
Caolan, this season in the EPL Alisson, Ederson, Mendy, Sa, and Martinez have all been better all round keepers.

While arguements could be made for Schmeichel, Fabianski, Pope, Dubravka, Sanchez and Raya.

All of whom are better at commanding their area, coming for crosses, and playing out from the back.

Obviously it's horses for courses and different tactical set ups require different skills from the keeper.

Ask yourself this though would any of the club's who those keepers play for happily swap their current keeper with DDG?


33.) 26 Apr 2022 15:23:18
If we don’t have a keeper which is better than Ederson or Alison then wemight as well give up haven’t we. God forbid we don’t knock them 2 from first and second.


34.) 26 Apr 2022 15:24:28
I don't think Alisson with Ederson are close. Alisson is miles better. I would say De Gea is in the top 3 goalkeepers in the League and i would be glad to have a contract offer but only with less wages. I agree his contract might be a problem going forward because he earns too much.


35.) 26 Apr 2022 18:28:15
De gea is better then Alison and Ederson in stopping the goal and that is the most important thing.

Forget this ball playing out of the back crap. A job for a goalie is to stop a goal and he is the best at it.

Defenders should be doing their job and that is to defend and not expose De Gea that is what we need this year in terms of defence.

Buy a whole new defence and the only one we should keep is Varane.

Varane next to a good defender will be class and wouldn't have to cover Maguire's mistake.


36.) 26 Apr 2022 18:46:53
Singh, do you make the same argument for strikers?

Their job is to put the ball in the back of the net.

Does it matter if they are lazy pressing from the front, don't make off the ball runs, won't defend corners, poor at linking with team mates, won't or can't pass to players in better positions, etc.

Or are those aspects important for the team to function as a whole?

Does the team perform better as a whole when the striker is more complete and multifunctional, able to bring his teammates into the game, defend from the front and create as well as score goals?

If you want United to play a high line then it is VITAL for the keeper to be able to come off his line and sweep to defend the space behind the keeper.

Ultimately the two best keepers in the league at doing that will finish 1st and 2nd this year.

While all of the teams who do well in the UCL have keepers who can play as a sweeper keeper. Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, PSG.


37.) 26 Apr 2022 20:20:53
I think it's very naive to assume that ten Hag doesn't have a very good idea already who he wants to keep or let go. He'll have been watching every game for months. Maybe he's on this forum? :) I doubt very much he's going to come in and draw a blank slate under everyone and watch them all during the precious close season without having made lots of decisions. Rangnick would have filled him in with his honest assessments and I think we all share a lot of those.
As for the DDG arguments, I can see lots of valid points here. He's been our best player for a long time, despite a few wobbles earlier in the season. He's probably one of the last players that needs replacing in this woeful XI, but I also see the point that the new manager's system might require a GK with different skills. Look at what Pep did at City without much messing about, replacing Hart and bringing in the awful Bravo, who was probably a worse GK than Hart but knew how Pep wanted to play. Ok, he probably lost City as many points as he won them, but it was a stepping stone to where they are now. Verdict: keep in the mid-term at least, especially if a mooted new contact is in the wings.


38.) 27 Apr 2022 07:48:21
I'll put this out there now and it's only an opinion and I could well be wrong.

However, by the start of EtH's second season I don't think DDG will be first choice.

Pep transformed City, but it was the signing of Ederson that brought it all together and stopped them being leaky in defence.

While a lot of people point to the signing of VvD as the key to solidifying Liverpool's leaky defence. However, Alisson probably played a bigger part in all honesty.

Both City and Liverpool had the same issue, they played a high line but didn't have keepers good enough at defending the space outside of the box meaning both sides would concede 10-15 goals a season to simple long balls behind the defence. The attacker would get a yard or two on the defender, the keeper either wouldn't come out or be slow in coming out and the attacker would score.

Great keepers improve the defenders in front of them. Schmeichel made the defence better. He communicated with them so they knew what was happening even behind them, he made the defenders more confident. VDS did the same, constant communication, made those around him better.

Goalkeepers are part of the defensive unit and if the team are conceding goals then the keeper is a part of that.

DDG is a world class shot stopper, but poor at most other aspects of goalkeeping. It's no surprise that he looks at his best when the rest of the team are at their poorest. That when he gets to show off his shot stopper skills.

If he has to only make one or two routine saves a game because the team in front of him are playing well then what does he add to the team?
Does he aid with the playing out from the back?
Does he communicate well with the defenders to help enable them to play well?
Does he command his box so well at set pieces that it enables the team to play with one less player in the box meaning there is one more player ready and able to quickly counter?

If our aim is to play in a similar way to Liverpool and City then how would DDG fit into their teams and that style?

I'm not saying DDG is a huge problem or one of the first issues needing addressing. However, if the team is to embrace a new more dominant progressive style of play then that does beg the question of how or if DDG can fit into that vision.

For me he is a 90's style keeper (without the physicality) playing in a total different goalkeeping era. He suits a team that sits deep, invite pressure and play on the counter.


 

 

 

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