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02 Oct 2018 18:32:57
Reports suggesting De Gea not in the squad tonight.

FZZ

1.) 02 Oct 2018 18:58:43
Forget that, he's starting, silly rumour started by the MEN.


 

 

27 Sep 2018 21:22:57
Daily rag has bailly martial and parriera on pogbas side of the dressing room, and the senior players staying out of it distancing themselves.

FZZ

1.) 27 Sep 2018 21:51:13
Interesting that Lingard isn't mentioned as he and Pogba are very close. Lukaku also not mentioned and he too is supposedly close to Pogba.

I wonder if it's just a case of lumping the out of favour players together and saying they are on Pogba's side.


2.) 27 Sep 2018 22:19:58
Sorry Lukaku was mentioned saying he has distanced himself from Pogba lately.


3.) 28 Sep 2018 07:52:07
I’d take a Fail story with a pinch of salt but Lukaku is a professional who wants to get better and it wouldn’t surprise me to see him distance himself from Pogba. These are professional footballers who get paid vast sums to perform for this club, engaging in other people’s petty business shouldn’t be in their thinking.


4.) 28 Sep 2018 10:41:30
any player causing a revolt or disrespecting the manager regardless of the opinions we have on Jose needs to be gone.

not a chance should anyone be bigger than the manager.


5.) 28 Sep 2018 11:09:43
seems half the side would need to be sold bolger because a fair few are taking Pogbas side it seems.


6.) 28 Sep 2018 11:31:08
FZZ - blame has to come from all parties. but they need to all sort they crap out because it will end in disaster.


7.) 28 Sep 2018 12:45:36
Who's actually backing Pogba? Martial obviously because a fellow stroppy overrated under performer. The article then only mentions that pogba is friendly with Shaw, Fred and Pereira. One of those is new to the club and two have previously praised mourinho over the summer. So we can only say martial with any certainty.


8.) 28 Sep 2018 14:44:24
And Ed has said in the past that both want out, Fine the pair of them and slap in the reserves for a few weeks, i’d love to see them brought down a peg, twitter a reserve game then Pogba!


9.) 28 Sep 2018 19:23:17
IF this is true, then imagine potentially throwing your chance at United away just to side with the biggest clown in the dressing room.
Andreas Perreira has been so vocal about this being his chance and wanting to make it work at United. What a shame it’d be if he is sidling up to Pogba and pissing the manager off. Same could be said for Bailly. Neither will be given the chance at a bigger club than United.


 

 

08 Aug 2018 21:04:00
Kurt Zouma is the new name being branded about.

FZZ

1.) 08 Aug 2018 21:16:42
Better than Maguire.


2.) 08 Aug 2018 21:21:04
We've been linked with so many centre backs in the last week it's unreal!

Since every CB under the sun is being linked with us, I'm going to hazard a guess that our new CB who will start against Leicester on Friday will be David May. That seemed as likely at the start of the summer as Kurt Zouma. David May works for MUTV so we know it's achievable by the deadline. Who knows we might even get that winger we all want if he brings Bojan Djordjic with him?


3.) 08 Aug 2018 22:03:01
The more the merrier.


4.) 08 Aug 2018 23:01:34
Zouma is not a bad player. I think he is better than rojo and Jones. But he is not the world class centre back we need. Would rather fork out on a left back or right winger. I wonder who were get linked with 2mo.


 

 

01 Aug 2018 16:18:37
Napoli supposedly interested in Matteo Darmian.

FZZ

1.) 01 Aug 2018 16:29:43
Read somewhere they want him on loan.


2.) 02 Aug 2018 06:55:04
First Juve, then Inter, now Napoli keen on him. He’s an Italian international full back, so why is he not good enough for us? Surely worth keeping hold of and working with?


3.) 02 Aug 2018 09:00:15
Eric,

I assume you have watched him play as our full back, do you think he is good enough for us?


4.) 02 Aug 2018 11:03:42
Eric he will only be back up for those sides. Great attitude but nothing more than a full back. Suited more to the Italian style of play - a lot slower.


5.) 02 Aug 2018 13:47:38
He's looked good in pre season as a wb.


6.) 02 Aug 2018 17:57:07
I’d keep him. Not sure why he’d move to go and sit on a bench elsewhere.


 

 

31 Jul 2018 19:23:04
Chris Smalling to Wolves done and dusted.

FZZ

1.) 31 Jul 2018 19:51:55
Fzz. if that's true. you will be treated as God.


2.) 31 Jul 2018 20:29:46
Fingers crossed. Selling one of the CB's hopefully means Alderweireld is on his way!


3.) 31 Jul 2018 20:35:40
Blind gone, Darmian probably, If Smalling > Wolves and Rojo > Everton that free's up four places, maybe a CB and LB with TFM and Tuanzebe coming in?


4.) 31 Jul 2018 21:04:10
Said the same thing Scholes. Darmian and Cash for Sandro. spend what is needed for Alderweireld. see what we have left for Willian.


5.) 31 Jul 2018 20:56:14
Plus Rojo to Everton?


6.) 31 Jul 2018 21:33:34
Ideal Pog but unlikely with the window closing very soon.


7.) 31 Jul 2018 22:07:33
Think smalling to wolves is a nonsense story.


8.) 31 Jul 2018 23:03:11
Same here Ken, unfortunate.


9.) 01 Aug 2018 00:07:57
He isn't in the team to play Madrid.

{Ed004's Note - He missed the last game through injury could be the same story here}


10.) 01 Aug 2018 03:25:36
It may be false but you see how it has lifted the mood up among all. :-)


11.) 01 Aug 2018 07:27:54
Two teams strengthened in one move! (hopefully)


12.) 01 Aug 2018 12:13:48
Seems like Ed002 kinda confirmed it above FZZ.


13.) 01 Aug 2018 23:31:54
And SSN are saying he has agreed personal terms.


14.) 02 Aug 2018 11:37:48
Smalling leaving makes me very happy. Nice bloke, great attitude but unfortunately a mistake waiting to happen. Would love to see Toby signed but if Mina is the only option available and for 35 million at 23 he could be a great signing for years to come. Mina and Baily are a strong, athletic partnership and Mina is also a threat in the opposition box. Rojo is someone I have mixed feelings about leaving. Always seems to give his all and isn’t bad on the ball but I just don’t see him fitting in the team. Playing on the left of a back three which I could see Everton using next season would really suit him. Good luck to them both.


 

 

 

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19 Apr 2019 12:16:39
Just been reading about oles press conference and a few starting to stand out for the wrong reasons.

The 3 players mentioned in the article are martial rashford and pogba, apparently the attitude isn't good enough in training and games.

Hopefully ole like the other managers failed to do and gets this sorted and removes the money grabbers from the squad weather it be your 1 in 10 games world beater martial or be it home grown imune to criticism rashford. Or Ken's favourite pogba. Great or not on there day they need to be great every day and that what fergie was good at.

FZZ

1.) 19 Apr 2019 12:32:20
Fzz my favourite pogba?
He is far from my favourite. Please read the posts.
My favourite😂😂😂.


2.) 19 Apr 2019 12:33:26
Its been going on for a very long time and most of us knew that the players are the main problem and they need to be kicked out as one bad apple can poison the whole tree.


3.) 19 Apr 2019 13:41:56
Are you suggesting we sell Martial, Rashford, and Pogba? That is what your post sounds like. But to be fair, which of these three do you think can become consistent in paying with the right attitude all the time? I think Rashford does have the right attitude. Sure, he is mistake prone, and forces things too often, but he does work and affect the game when he is on the pitch. The same cannot be said about the other two often enough.


4.) 19 Apr 2019 13:47:13
FZZ if you know Ken it should be Martial?
Right Ken? 🤣🤣.


5.) 19 Apr 2019 13:48:27
No player is immune from criticism. Rashford needs to be more clinical but people forget how old he is. Anyone ever see Thierry Henry at the same age? Rashford has displaced a player we paid £75 million for. He needs to improve in areas and he has the right person to guide him. If there is attitude problems starting then that needs dealing with and part of that is finding the cause. If the cause is another player then that player needs removing no matter who it is.


6.) 19 Apr 2019 13:53:20
It's ironic really, that under the last 4 managers the poor form, style of play and poor attitude and performances have been because "the manager isn't getting the best out of them". Now we actually have a manager that people like, there seem to be a lot more people pointing their fingers at the players. (I am not referring to this thread, by the way but in general)
Some of us have been saying it for years, some just seeing it now. Not saying that any "side" is right or wrong, but it CANNOT be just down to the managers.
Ole had a great start, and deserved to be in the running for the permanent position. But yet again, the club have been too hasty in appointing him full time. They have just reacted to the Ole in campaign because of his popularity with fans and press/ pundits.
Ole says all the right things in public, and it all looks great for the fans. I just hope he is as strong with the players behind the scenes. I just hope he is not a yes man who tells the fans what they want to hear and gives into the primadonnas behind closed doors. I have no reason to doubt him, and am not trying to be critical, but there are several players that need to be gone for the food of the team.
In fairness, despite a few that are just not good enough, there is plenty of talent in the squad. What's lacking is desire and commitment. United players are on the whole, earning vast amounts more than their peers at City, Liverpool, Spurs etc. It is about time their salaries reflects performancea. At the moment, it just seems to be a given that if you play for United, you are at the top of the earnings league.
It's time this stopped, and players were rewarded for good performances and winning titles. Not earning more than anyone else in the league just because they are at United. When players are 'demanding' 200k or 300k per week, they need to look at their performances first. We are becoming a team of mercenaries, most of whom go missing when the going gets tough.
Get rid I say, and replace them with players who will be proud to play for United. And players who will fight to succeed.


7.) 19 Apr 2019 14:20:06
Betty
It's a good post that but here's a question do players play for the team or the badge now or do they play for a manager .
Does a player dream of playing for United the same way they once did? Do they maybe dream of playing for pep as opposed to playing for city .
Would city be at top, if they didn't pay the big wages?
Is mane doing his best for liverpool or for klopp?
Would pogba be a star in this city team while not good enough for this United team .
Would sterling be average in this United team as opposed to one of the best players in Europe in this city team .

Actually that turned out to be more than one question but I think it shows it takes a lot to have a successful team, to create the right environment for players to do well .
Maybe it isn't as simple as buying and selling players?


8.) 19 Apr 2019 15:38:41
I wouldn’t care less if every player was shown the door not one deserves the over inflated wages they get. We are a shambles and we need young hungry players who want to play for us. Just because Rashford and Lingard are local they seem to get a free pass off some. Personally don’t rate Lingard one bit but Rashford has potential but needs to knuckle down.


9.) 19 Apr 2019 17:03:03
Jred, the point is that City players are performing, whether for Pep or the club. It's the same for the players at Liverpool. Yet United players aren't, on the whole, and haven't done on a regular basis for the last four managers. Yet I would bet that there are a hell of a lot of United players who earn massively more than their direct counterparts at any other English club.
We made Rooney one of, if not the highest paid player in the league, when on the decline, then Schweinsteiger even more I believe, and then again with Zlatan. I know they have all gone now, but it just shows how desperate we have been to get names here instead of building a team.
There is no incentive for players to perform better when they are already being paid more honsomely than any other team will pay.
Look at the ridiculous wage being paid to Sanchez to sit on the bench. I am guessing a bit here, but I bet we have some pretty average players, or players who aren't performing on bigger wages than say Harry Kane, Sane and Salah at Pool, I bet even more than the likes of Sterling, Silva or most other City players.
To be honest we've become a bit of a joke overpaying players who we are then stick with due to salary. We then have to virtually give them. away to get rid, or pat part of their future wages for some other team.
I'm not really bothered about the money side in essence, with rewarding players for mediocrity is part of the reason, I am sure, why we have so many players that don't seem too bothered by bad results. If players are performing to a high standard, consistently and winning us major trophies I have no problem with them being rewarded accordingly. But not for some of the half hearted, couldn't case less attitudes that some of our 'superstars' seem to have.
Just my opinion though, of course.


10.) 19 Apr 2019 17:40:27
Yeh I was only joking about pogba Ken I just remember we disagreed on him a few weeks ago.
Agree with betty as well above good post.

And yes zidaniel I’d rid of anyone not putting in the effort. No name is too big for the club, whoever you are.


11.) 19 Apr 2019 17:32:58
Blackpool i agree the squad is a mess.
We do have a few very good players and a couple with potential that needs to shine.
But the squad is a mish mash the players can't play the way ole wants to or won't in some cases.
A few have had their head turned if they don't want to stay then sell them simple.
Really poor contractual situations have led to plenty of disharmony.
Over inflated egos a plenty.
45m a year between darmian rojo valencia bailly mata herrera and sanchez. Very little value for money there so far this season.
Other high end earners show form occasionally pogba lukaku martial.
Even going back to the 70s and 80s i had an affinity with the players all through the 90s and 00s i had an affinity with the players. You knew what you were going to get week in week out.
Effort commitment pride passion belief all of the above. We didn't always win. We didn't always have a squad of superstars we didn't always play great attractive football. But you knew 9 times out of 10 that those players chosen every week to represent our club would do it with endeavour and pride.
But with our squad for the best part of 6 years very little of those qualities have been apparent.
Lots of them have talent of course they do, but they either can't won't or choose when they want to apply that talent. There are too many 'mr jhonny big balls' walking around our club for the last 5 years talking the talk but rarely walking the walk. But always picking up obscene money
Players at Manchester United should be paid a premium imo but if the club make a fair and reasonable offer either sign it or leave. We are Manchester United we don't need anybody who doesn't want to be here.


12.) 19 Apr 2019 18:49:32
That was over his earnings mate.
I was saying he makes for off the pitch than united pay him. Which is true.
The more publicity he can make for bookmaker the more money he makes. A little bit like the Kardashian's😂😂.


13.) 19 Apr 2019 19:19:53
Wages will be performance and incentive related.


14.) 19 Apr 2019 19:29:13
If that's the case Jred then Sanchez must be having one hell of a season. Any idea who for though?
Certainly isn't United.


15.) 19 Apr 2019 19:58:14
Betty
I would of thought his reported wage is the top end of what he can earn including incentives etc .
Not many people didn't want us to buy Sanchez at the time .
It wasnt that long ago the club was accused of lacking ambition and not spending money . Now it seems we are spending to much .


16.) 19 Apr 2019 20:10:46
You're missing the point again Jred, or choosing to. If we were spending big bucks on top quality I don't think many would complain. But we aren't, we are paying big bucks to band average players, or players that only came in the first place because we were the only mugs stupid enough to give them what they wanted.
Would Pogba be here is Barca, Madrid, PSG or City were prepared to pay the fees and wages?


17.) 19 Apr 2019 21:12:12
Again Betty not many argued when we bought pogba.
Is the issue what we are paying or how the players are performing.
Would people care what Sanchez earned if he was producing his arsenal form .
Imagine if he was doing it for city and we hadn't of coughed up to sign him .
Not many players would turn down Barcelona or Madrid for United if they had the chance .


18.) 19 Apr 2019 22:14:57
Jred, you would make a great politician. Better still a "spin doctor". Are you really Alistair Campbell?


19.) 19 Apr 2019 20:31:51
Jred its not the amont we are spending that offends me. Its the value for money.
Players at United should imo be earning a premium as long as they are producing
Currently we are paying large amounts of money to players that deliver very little in return.
Not too many would be moaning at sanchez if he was scoring 30 goals a season.
I don't care how much people earn if they are doing a great job or even a good job for a period . But a poor job for a prolonged period means questions need to be asked.
Its been really poor squad management and maintanance by whomever is ultimately responsible.


20.) 20 Apr 2019 08:07:44
So like I said nobody really cares how much some one earns as long as they play well .
Sanchez can earn 300k a week as long as he does well.
So the issue isn't what United are paying players it's how they perform.
The flavour of the month is saul ( a very good player ) he will cost a kings ransom not many can afford him infact the ed has said city have stepped away due to price . So should United step back even if we have the desire and money to buy him?
What if we buy him and he doesn't play well, does that suddenly make him a bad player .

People think its black and white or it's easy to build a team and ed is right when it comes to money .
Player x earns 300k, how much of that is for commercial rights, how much is incentive based, what are the players commitments to the club off the field . Footballers don't just get paid for what they do on the pitch anymore.


 

 

11 Apr 2019 10:46:20
Banter please Ed.

So our darling pogba today is reported to be slowly falling out with ole now he wants to move. True or false?

Whatever happens he needs to be sold try get a profit on him and let him dance his way to the white handkerchiefs.

FZZ

1.) 11 Apr 2019 10:57:45
Yes sell our best player and the only outfield player last night who looked to have the quality befitting such an occasion last night.

Great strategy. I am sure he will be replaced by someone who runs around a lot and barges people and screams at his teammates as that is the type of player that people seem to be fond of.


2.) 11 Apr 2019 11:09:06
if pogba wants to leave then sell him.

no time for whiny pretenders who turn up for a hand full of games.

there are plenty of players out there who we can replace pogba with.

although on his day he is fantastic and we are a different team when he is playing well he doesn't do that enough

he is not world class.


3.) 11 Apr 2019 11:45:00
Funny you say that DSG because everyone else i have spoken to or seen has said the complete opposite. When you look at good players on the night look at Scott MaccyT and Fred was half decent.

Pogba was anonymous. But that's not his fault right its the setup its the manager, its the other players. He isn't a world class player, world class players are the likes of Ronaldo, Messi, Suarez. Guys that play for the badge of the club not the money.


4.) 11 Apr 2019 11:48:41
Not the end of the world get rid of him and he isn't our best player.


5.) 11 Apr 2019 12:26:00
In Pogba's defence, he mostly has the lazy Lukaku and Martial upfront who rarely make runs behind the defence.
The other midfielders do not pass early to him or are not capable of producing those forward passes.
At the end of the day, goals win games.
Pogba has 11 league goals and plenty of assists from midfield this season.
Very few in the world can match that tally considering the serious lack of quality in our squad.

If Pogba wants to leave, there is no point keeping him. But, if he is happy to stay with the change in management, I would be happy to see a team built around him and Rashford.
Every player in the squad has deficiencies, but it's Pogba who gets slated everytime.


6.) 11 Apr 2019 13:00:34
DSG we must have watched different games last night. Pogba was our 3rd best central midfielder.


7.) 11 Apr 2019 13:21:10
Too many excuses for Pogba.

He didn’t have a bad game last night but he also wasn’t Utd best player. McTominay and Fred were better in midfield than Pogba.

Why does he try to go between 3 Barcelona players on the edge of their box when the better option is to put the ball out wide and then get into the box. He has everything but apart from a football brain and a slight lack of desire. If he is the best CM in the world then why didn’t he run the midfield yesterday.

If he wants out then get rid as I am sick of the circus that surrounds him. Ronaldo and Messi don’t have all the circus they just deliver time after time.


8.) 11 Apr 2019 13:37:20
I see so real madrid are going to be putting in bids for fred and mctominay lol.

There may be a reason some of the top clubs in europe want to sign pogba because he's pretty good at this football lark.

Ronaldo messi neymar mbappe are not expected to do one man army band roy of the rovers heroics every week. They have quality team mates who facilitate and enbale them to be the best version of themselves.


9.) 11 Apr 2019 14:25:11
Nobody said that, DSG, but they did perform better than Pogba last night. I'd rather have those players doing their thing to the very best of their ability, even if they're not considered top class, than a supposed world class player, not playing anywhere near to the best of his. That's criminal. But then again, maybe he is more hype than substance.


10.) 11 Apr 2019 15:16:38
DSG, last i heard we were looking to offload Pogba and no club wanted him at the price. So which are these big clubs wanting Pogba.

TrueRed, out of those 11, how many are penalties, 7? Take those out and resulting number is the actual Pogba we have seen.


11.) 11 Apr 2019 17:14:29
Dsg you are obviously a big pogna fan this blinds you to his short comings there were a couple of rooney supporters like that even at the end when he was useless for the club.
Pogba is a good in fact a very good player when he is surrounded by the right players which he is not at United. So in mite than 50% of games he is not showing his best.


12.) 11 Apr 2019 17:28:04
Beat me to it ken.


13.) 11 Apr 2019 19:06:08
U addict. Good post. let's see who offers the big money.
If its the right deal for all concerned then it will happen. If not then it wont.


14.) 11 Apr 2019 22:58:49
was pogba playing i did not notice him.


 

 

18 Dec 2018 00:29:18
A little something to cheer everyone up, club is preparing new contracts for Ashley Young Juan Mata and Ander Herrera.

FZZ

1.) 18 Dec 2018 09:19:52
Great.


 

 

11 Dec 2018 10:32:06
Theres a good piece in yesterdays MEN about and ex scout Derek Langley who was with us for 16 years and got removed for speaking his mind rather than being a yes man, he went on to explain some things about missing out on young players such as De Jong and De Ligt and the reasons behind us not getting them players.
Have a find if you get chance.

FZZ

1.) 11 Dec 2018 11:36:46
It is an interesting read, however I'd guard against saying he 'got fired for speaking his mind' as, while this might be true, we only have his word for it at this time. Could be correct, could be a bitter ex-employee having a moan.


 

 

03 Dec 2018 19:58:54
Can anyone clear up, would a reason for not sacking the manager whether it be jose or anyone else to do with the payoff? I see it branded about so much its about the payoff, does anyone know?

FZZ

1.) 03 Dec 2018 20:37:16
I doubt it’s a deciding factor.


2.) 03 Dec 2018 21:46:00
It is only speculation

However from the outside the club seems driven by finance and the ever burgeoning list of money spinning sponsors. Moyes and LvG were sacked after they failed to make top 4 with widespread speculation that there was a contract clause meaning the club had to pay out less. If profit and asset value is such a significant driving force then it will lead to such speculation.


3.) 04 Dec 2018 00:13:50
I don't believe the'payoff' is a deciding factor.
Its a pretty dire situation. Unforrunatly jose's position is becoming insufferable.
We should be doing better than we are but the blame does not fall on his shoulders alone. But he will be the fall guy in all likelihood.
Personally i'd rather get rid of 8 or 9 players in jan and go with the rest plus the youth. At least that way the new manager will start with a clean slate.


4.) 04 Dec 2018 06:29:58
Spot on again, Ken.


5.) 04 Dec 2018 10:24:58
Is it difficult to be in Jose position imagining the Board and the players are not supportive of what he wants?


6.) 05 Dec 2018 07:49:35
I feel we are at a point where we need to get rid of both the manager and a portion of the playing staff.
We shouldn’t stand for a manager with a philosophy so far remote from our core values of entertaining and promoting from within but we also can‘t tolerate such player power.

The big question for me is in which order to do that.
Do you get rid of the players first to show who is in charge or rid of the manager first to keep the players in line with the playing style the club wants to see?

Quite a pickle to be honest.

But doing neither is certainly not the solution.


 

 

 

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10 Jun 2019 21:37:23
You by clicking on their rubbish.

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04 Jun 2019 12:22:38
i wouldn't take a "punt" on anyone.

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31 May 2019 21:39:47
Bit of a snobby lot our lot aren't we. @Dbrooks90.

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25 May 2019 14:10:05
No chance, wages will be insane plus fees etc. Why give a young lad high wages then what does he have to get up for? that's been our main issue lately, signing this lad will carry on the problems.

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17 May 2019 15:17:02
Haven't seen much of him then goes on to say not sure Man Utd material hmmmm.

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16 Jun 2019 12:10:57
I do agree, he is the face and the mouth piece so the buck should stop with him.

I think until it goes bad bad, like no one buying tickets/ merch and not showing up to games etc then nothing will change.

We are customers to them not supporters.

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16 Jun 2019 11:45:17
Ed 002 says its nothing to do with Ed Woodward 004 so can't blame it on him.

FZZ

{Ed004's Note - Unfortunately if youre head of a company the buck stops at him. Something isnt working and hes made no moves to correct it. We have been 'apparently' searching for a department of football for atleast a year now.}


 

 

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11 Jun 2019 22:13:04
Put the weed down bro.

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08 Jun 2019 08:57:21
Wouldn't take a "punt" on anyone.

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03 Jun 2019 13:40:33
What would he be like as a technical director? I am not advocating he would be a choice but he knows he stuff and i do believe a lot of, if not all of the article.

Maybe using the words he's said in the piece and guessing myself, if he was a tech director the problems would still continue because Woodward and Judge are making the overall decisions and not the tech director would be.

Utd by name but not by anything else nowadays. The club everyone loves is no longer, just many seem to struggle to see it. (Thick and Thin and all that bs) .

FZZ