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23 Jul 2018 19:08:22
Hey Ed002,

Is there any legs to the rumour that Marquinhos agent approached United whether interest still exists?

Could be the CB for both Jose and the board to agree upon.
Enough seasons under his belt to appeal to Jose, possibly and still young enough for the board to hope for rising value.

Jonny8

{Ed002's Note - It would be reasonable to assume Bertolucci has after talking to at least two other sides, one English, about the player.}


 

 

30 Apr 2018 12:52:15
Hi Eds,

Any truth in the rumors Buvacs is leaving Liverpool and Klopp in anger?

He would be a great addition to our backroom.

Someone mentioned the idea of getting another assistant for Mourinho, as Fergie did so often, to keep him tactically up to date.

Can’t see it happen for multiple reasons unfortunately.

Thanks in advance.

Jonny8

{Ed001's Note - bit early to say, things might be resolved yet.}


1.) 30 Apr 2018 13:34:23
Apparently Klopp's assistant is off, the plot thickens.


2.) 01 May 2018 16:15:18
Talk that he's Wenger replacement.


 

 

08 Nov 2017 21:28:10
Hi Eds
Is there anything in the Mourinho to PSG rumours?
Or is it just tactic from him to get money out of the board for strengthening in January opposed to having to sell first?
Thank you very much in advance.

Jonny8

{Ed002's Note - He needs to look at options available and going forward - PSG is an interesting one. I don't want to become embroiled in any discussions but you have to consider that MU is a difficult club to manage both internally and externally.}


1.) 09 Nov 2017 01:41:18
Ed002 i am sorry if i didn't understand (because of my English) but what do you mean by saying he needs to look at options? The club will force him to move so he need that change in his career or is the problems with the place and his family who aren't with him?

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware that the club are forcing anything.}


2.) 09 Nov 2017 06:44:35
Hi Ed002,
What you say makes sense, however it was only 6 weeks ago or so that’s JM was saying how he hoped to be at United for many many years. Is it really a case of now the title is looking less likely this season, he is reconsidering his future? Of course we all ‘do have a look at the menu even if we are on a diet’, is it just simply a case of this? I had hoped JM would be with us for certainly another few years yet.
Thanks as always.

{Ed002's Note - I would not pay too much attention to what JM says.}


3.) 09 Nov 2017 08:16:28
Ed is the difficulty due to the size and image of the club - which attracts the focus they get form the press / media / fans or is it because of the way the club is run - the board, no tech. director, etc.
One is a consequence of success whereas the other is a much bigger problem.

{Ed002's Note - No. I explained soon after he joined what the issue was.}


4.) 09 Nov 2017 12:50:36
Mourinho hasn't got the backing of the entire board. Ed002 mentioned that there was a split within the club about whether Mourinho was the right man to manage our club.

His recent comments about him needing to be backed are testament to his feeling/ knowledge that he wasn't unanimously wanted by the board.

He wanted us to sign at least four players in the summer, Lindelof, Lukaku and Matic came in. We chased Perisic and Griezmann to no avail.

Maybe Mourinho feels if he had the full backing of the board then maybe he would have an extra new player or two which would make his life much easier. Especially at the moment when we have had a few injuries and some sections of the fans have turned on him a bit due to results and performances.

Jose above everything else has to feel loved, if he doesn't then he has a tendency to sulk, that tends to turn inward and he self destructs ending with him leaving the club.

At this time unless thing change quickly I doubt Jose will be our manger at the start of next season.


5.) 09 Nov 2017 14:44:08
He is quick to throw his toys out the pram. To be fair to him he wants a top centre half, winger, full back, and a new manager coming in tomorrow would want a top centre half, winger and full back- Griezemann was no ones fault, Varane and marquinhos weren't for sale and i don't know about full backs, so the guy has to be realistic on what the club can get, they have backed him well so far -even Ibra got to stay!

Its all subjective but Blind/ Darmian/ smalling/ Rojo/ young/ Shaw/ fellani could have all been moved on in the summer, but you can't sell injured players, and you can't sell players who are covering for injured players (ie blind) so it could all have been different . The guy should man up and get on with it, the club has its problems but it still should be an honour to manage it, to have your name along side Busby, SAF - for all his faults LVG felt that way about the club.


6.) 10 Nov 2017 02:59:08
So Jose expects to be bigger than the club, in a nutshell?!

Every manager at every club in world football could point to their team and say "we could improve here", they all want MOAR! Fact is we don't know exactly what has been discussed behind the scenes. I do know that Jose has been backed with mega money both summers, he is paid mega money himself, he is living in a hotel (STILL), his agent or he is flirting with other clubs, he looks miserable most weeks, we play in a way that reflects the managers outward demeanor.

He hasn't lasted long at any club before there is infighting. I'd let the spoiled kid take his out-dated ball back to his house. How can a club like ours be seen to be treading on eggshells for this guy beggars belief - cut him loose, he's the managerial equivalent of a 'footballers wife', nothing is ever good enough, everyone is to blame but himself if things go South and my God he will bleed you dry financially and emotionally as he spreads his toxicity and leaves you in the lurch!

We wanted Jose of 10 years ago, like we wanted LVG of 20 years ago. It could have worked, it didn't, move on to the next contender until we get it bang on.


7.) 10 Nov 2017 21:21:36
It didn't work Beast, didn't we win two cups last year, we are still second in the table despite going through a rough patch since the international break and suddenly you want to ditch him. Who else is out there that can manage us? Sometimes I think you underestimate the task of managing a club like United, have we become as bad Real Madrid where some of the fans want to sack Zidane after back to back Champions League wins just because they are 3rd this year.
Maybe supporting a football team isn't for people like you, maybe you should look for another pastime.


 

 

10 May 2017 19:29:44
Does anybody know which club Herrera flirted with on international duty?
Was it Barcelona?

Thanks.

Jonny8

1.) 11 May 2017 05:39:08
It was the Hacienda.


2.) 11 May 2017 13:20:15
Brilliant 😂.


3.) 11 May 2017 13:38:25
Showing your age there AJH :-)


4.) 11 May 2017 16:50:51
I was thinking 21 Piccadilly or Discotheque Royale.


5.) 11 May 2017 17:30:44
Konspiracy was class. Rooney was once spotted at grab a granny night at Fagin's.


6.) 11 May 2017 17:32:08
Jillys is where de gea would of dragged him.


7.) 12 May 2017 05:15:08
I preferred Rotters or Pips.


8.) 12 May 2017 15:49:10
Fridays?


 

 

26 Apr 2017 21:44:24
Is Thomas Müller of interest at the moment?
Any chance of him leaving?

Jonny8

{Ed002's Note - No and unlikely.}


1.) 27 Apr 2017 06:52:10
Thank you ed.


 

 

 

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30 Jul 2018 11:53:24
Hey Ed002,

The other day you mentioned clubs are hesitant of selling players before being confident enough of a day for the replacement.

Real Madrid was Rumours to be looking at a major rebuild (Ronaldo, Bale, Kroos, Modric, Kovacic, Isco, etc. all looking to leave/ on the market) yet not much happened so far.

Is there a huge transfer Domino being worked on right now that might or might not fall before August 9th then?

Thanks a lot.

Jonny8

{Ed002's Note - I was absolutely clear that was to be over two years.}


 

 

23 Jul 2018 19:06:28
I know this is highly controversial, but I’d like to simply pose the question and field your opinions.
Not sure either what the correct answer is:

Is it time to part with Jose?

He is his miserable self already in pre-season. He talks about pre season being the time to motivate the players and instead he moans about everything, especially the quality of his players, hardly motivating, is it?
He is not being backed by the board apparently.
Mostly due to the fact he is looking to sign 29 year olds at the height of their value.

But this is, at least partially, due to the fact he was told it‘s last chance saloon now.
Why would he build for the future instead of looking for the immediate need if your job is on the line.
Seems like he is backed into a corner here.

Just to name a few of the issues there seem to exist:
Martial: Jose wants him gone - the board doesn’t trust his judgement
Toby and Sandro: Jose wants them in - the board feels they are too old
Ribalta: Scouts leaves die to not feeling taken serious, apparently. No clue whether by the board or Jose
Shaw: Jose wants him gone - the board still hope he turns out a shrewd signing
Style: Jose is pragmatic - Clubs heritage is different - certain players would rather fit the heritage then the current style, either back the manager and embrace his style or change now while the playing staff somehow fits the old style?

I don’t see how this can work out positively in the end, but it is a stupid moment to change managers as well.

Thanks for your opinions.

Jonny8

1.) 23 Jul 2018 19:29:51
Spurs are wanting 80 mil for a 29 year old cb .
He is a good player but that's ridiculous.
Especially after we have just bought lindelof and bailly

Maybe Jose is the wrong man for the club, most United fans want to see good attacking footy a team that is built for the future where talents like pogba martial can flourish .

It's Jose 3rd season just look how that has ended in the past.


2.) 23 Jul 2018 19:36:33
Can’t stand the man. He’s well past his sell by date. All I want is some attacking football, not much to ask.


3.) 23 Jul 2018 19:40:28
Evening guys, I only joined the site a few months back but from reading all the posts it's obvious to me that we're a deeply divided bunch. Mourinho polarises opinion but I fear our problems run deeper than just a manager.

In this post Fergi vacuum the Club has lacked real courage and leadership at board level and demonstrated a clear lack of vision and naivety.

From reading all the posts on this site it appears to me that most fans share the same ideology and philosophy. These are the foundations which we're laid bare well over 60 years ago by the great Busby babes. The philosophy that transformed the Club from a Northern powerhouse to the envy of Europe. The courage and bravery of a man with daring ambition and vision to take the Club further than just the shores of this country. He laid the foundations for everything we are today.

What we all crave is a commitment to attractive, entertaining, attacking football filled with drama and excitement. An emphasis on developing our own players and giving youth a chance. We might not always succeed, there may be periods of frustration and failure but this philosophy should remain constant and consistent. Undiminished by time and circumstance.

This brings me back full circle to our current owners, board and manager! Who actually runs our Club? What vision do the owners have? What is their plan?

From the Glazers perspective I can't imagine that they're to concerned with the playing side of things but they aren't stupid enough to realise how this may impact on the Club. Woodward now appears to be the custodian, the man in charge, but what's his vision and philosophy?

Then we have Mourinho, a giant manager with an even bigger ego. He only wants to win and he doesn't care how. He doesn't care about entertainment or excitement. He's not concerned about age or giving chances. He doesn't care about how much it costs or the future of the Club only securing his own legacy before he inevitably moves onto his next challenge. Is this philosophy shared by our owners or Mr Woodward?

Well here's the rub. Should the Club ship out young, exciting, promising players, ones which they have invested heavily to bring to the Club in the first place so the manager can replace them with yet more expensive, experienced, players with little possibility of sell on value and no guarantee of success? My suspicion all along has been the Glazers are prepared to invest just enough to keep us in their panacea of the top 4. Winning would be nice but does it make sense to re invest millions chasing success with little guarantee whilst risking the finances of the Club and trimming profit margins? If this is the case then they have gravely underestimated Mourinho.

I think Mourinho may just be finding himself embroiled in the politics of a Club without a clear vision or recognised leader. In some respects he may find himself a victim of his own success and now some modicum of stability has been restored the purse strings predictably tightened. Do they really want to challenge City and return us to the pinnacle of European football?

Mourinho is not the type of manager to maintain the status quo putting the Club at risk of a power struggle between an ambitious manager and a regime seemingly more interested in profit margins, sponsorship and turnover rather than success on the pitch. If the books look good does it matter what happens on the pitch?

Mourinho will not settle for second best and whatever you think about him I think we can all take some comfort from that. Maybe his legacy might just be to show the Glazers for what they truly are? It's no coincidence to me that this window might represent the lowest investment in the team for a number of years just as we've established ourselves back into the top 4. I guess this will all unravel sooner rather than later and we'll have our answer.

Of course this could just be a load of bull**** supposition but thanks for those that took the time to read I appreciate it was a long one!


4.) 23 Jul 2018 19:47:06
short answer, Yes.


5.) 23 Jul 2018 20:13:48
Great post dlib.
I agree with lots of that.

Im all for improving players but imo the board have got to make up their mind either back the manager completely or if they believe in the players such as pogba shaw jones rojo mata valencia young fellaini and martial among others and want to keep them then sack the manager now. That way it will be less messy and there is less risk.
They backed some of these players and got rid of moyes they backed more of these players and got rid of lvg is it time to back these players and get rid of jose?
That's what they have to decide.
Option 3 is just do nothing and see what happens. That's the biggest risk of all imo.
It is joses job to get the best from the players to keep them happy and motivated. To give them confidence to show them he believes in them etc etc.
But it is the boards job to motivate jose to give him backing to show their belief in him to give him the tools he says needs to do his job.

As a result of the board failing to to all the above for the manager he is shiwing his obvious displeasure in his demeanour and that transe ds in his interviews and to some of the players. If the club can't keep tje manager relatively happy you won't have a happy team below him.


6.) 23 Jul 2018 20:15:25
Dlib, i read your post and it is excellent. I'm not a Mourinho fan. I think his demeanour and his actions have been arrogant in some instances. In other instances, his stubborness, is putting players United careers at risk to the detriment of our great club.
Once he picks a fight with a player, that's the end of the road for the player.
I'm particularly worried that the likes of Martial, Pogba, Bailly will be pushed out of the door. This will be an absolute disaster for the club.
But i also inderstand and agree on your reservations towards the Glazers and Woodward, and the obvious lack of leadership on the footballing side of things. Like you, i have mentioned the problem we have with the Glazers and their lack of interest to all things football. There seems to be an attitude that as long as the money is rolling in, then the status quo can be maintained. But their business model is flawed, as the fans the club are trying to attract in America, India, China, far east countries, have no affiliation to the club at the start. They are attracted to the style of football and to the on field success, and then they will swear their allegiance to the cause. If we continue playing dull football and under investing in the footballing side, then the new fans will opt to support Real, Barca, Liverpool, City instead. You only need to walk the streets of Beijing, Bangkok, Mumbai to see this is already happening. Fergie brought us success and coupled it with exciting football which brought us hundereds of thousands of new followers. Unfortunately, the opposite can easily materialize if we don't show ambition and excitement on the playing field.
The Glazers can ignore this at theor peril, but the world is a funny place these days, and like you, i can see trouble ahead, not only for Mourinho but for our money loving owners.
Great post and i enjoyed reading it.


7.) 23 Jul 2018 20:26:45
I'm a Liverpool fan but I enjoyed that read DLIB.

I'm hoping for utd to be competitive this season along with us and city to make it an exciting finish.


8.) 23 Jul 2018 20:28:59
DLIB fantastic post that mate.


9.) 24 Jul 2018 08:14:37
DLIB, great post, made a lot of sense.

AAA - I don't understand your point about the Club wanting to expand its fanbase to other countries. That's how they build one and each and every club is doing it. A lot of these Clubs run their football academies in countries like India, Middle-Eastern Countries and other South-East Asian countries as well. What do you think the purpose of that is? Is it really to teach the youth how to play the way these clubs play? or is to expand its market and reach newer audiences. My answer is the latter, solely because I work closely with a Club and now an association that has grassroots football development academies. They earn tonnes of money from these deals and while that money might not directly impact any transfers, that does add up to the revenue generation and in turn, leads to a more larger fanbase creation.

You can never force any person to support any club, he / she can support Madrid, Barcelona even Liverpool (although they have won nothing in the recent past) and City. But is your concern genuinely about the number of people not supporting United? and do you think this is because of the owners investing in the business side of the club and not the footballing side? I'd rather have fans and followers who love the club because of what the club is, rather than what is the club is winning (that's typical fanboy behaviour) .

The bigger question, perhaps, is that what are the owners doing? And what is Mou doing? Is it really that shambolic that we can't get our transfer in order? We want three players who are on our immediate shortlist - Bale, Alderwerield and Sandro. Do these players want to move? In Toby's case, does Levy really want to sell him to a rival? Even if Spurs don't compare to us, in his mind we are still his rivals? Maybe that's why the inflated price? Even if the Glazers or Woodward only care about the business side of things, I'm sure they won't be held ransom by Levy who always seems to demand over-the-top prices for his players? Coming to Bale, we are all divided on whether we want him or not, another question is, with the new manager coming in, and Ronaldo obviously going out, does he want to move now? Or does he want to stay one more year and see what he can do? Even if we give RM 200 Million pounds for Bale and he doesn't want to leave, we can't do much about it. Now that is not the fault of the owners or the manager. Sandro is a difficult one, I thought by now we would have had him, considering it was during the end of last season of after the end of the season that we were heavily linked with him? Have the owners got cold feet and now they don't want to spend the money? Or has Mou changed his mind? No one knows, maybe the Eds know and they can share what they know.

Of course, I'm not defending the owners and neither am I defending Mou, I'm just trying to be a little more optimistic about the new season, because that's what we want and that's what we should do. If Mou goes, then Mou goes. His 3rd season syndrome might hit us, and might not. We can't say much. All we can hope is that the damage can be limited and the guy who ends up replacing him is a well-thought of replacement. Not a stop-gap one.

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18 Jul 2018 14:57:34
Hey Ed

Am I mistaken that City have a higher total of wages then United do?

How come we are struggling with FFP wage wise and City are not, while we have higher overall revenue then them

Thanks for clarifying.

Jonny8

{Ed002's Note - That is not how it is calculated and MC have to comply as well.}


1.) 19 Jul 2018 11:38:29
I think I remember Ed saying that no clubs wages can increase by more than £7 million a year it doesn't matter your income or total wages.


 

 

18 Jul 2018 14:54:24
What’s the deal with Martial?
He seems to get a lot of social media exposure, feels like he is being used as the face of the tour right now.
And he seems happier then ever before.

Is it because he is French and the Club thinks that makes him worthy of the star role?

Is he happier then ever before or is it simply a case of picking different pics now then before?

Or is there an extension agreed we don’t know about yet?

Thanks in advance.

Jonny8

1.) 18 Jul 2018 15:19:02
Maybe its the prospect of some serious game time on tour for him to show what he can do.
Maybe jose hasn't bullied him today and been a big meany for asking him to try harder and play better.


 

 

10 Jul 2018 12:15:40
Hey Eds, any truth in the ....

Jonny8

{Ed002's Note - Wong page.}


 

 

 

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10 Aug 2018 10:10:10
There is still the possibility of improving without new signings.
Get players to gel, understand the system better, get automatisms going, develop talented players, change of player positions to better suit their skill set etc.

I know Jose is not know for any of these things, but the club has it in the DNA actually.

Let’s hope for the best and have a look at the results and progress before panicking.

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07 Jun 2018 09:17:39
I would guess it’s related to him needing to obtain a work permit while Dalot doesn’t.

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01 Jun 2018 11:51:33
No interest in Simeone from my side.
Would be even more “results over style” then Mourinho.
Would put us in a difficult spot with the season being over and transfer plans in full swing from all clubs.
Only positive would be it being a World Cup year, which is a big stumbling block in transfer dealings for the involved players anyway.

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03 May 2018 17:37:28
why would anyone downvote hendonred's comment? Please explain, thank you.

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08 Nov 2017 18:23:23
Well first of all, we can’t let them all leave in the summer. Way too big of a blood loss for the squad, no matter how high you rate each one of them. I’d like to see Herrera retained and more involved again.
I guess the club has no say in Fellaini anymore, Zlatan, Carrick and Shaw need to go because of age or because it’s just not happening in Shaw’s case.
I like Mata a lot, so would plead to keep the two Spaniards and sign three starters for the wingback positions and right side.
And then leave room in the squad for highly rated youths to get some minutes.

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12 Aug 2018 20:53:49
Too narrow for me.
Would need fullbacks with the license to bomb down the flanks and the ability to find a teammate with a cross.

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24 Jul 2018 18:00:17
Ok thanks Ed002,

I thought it was about structural changes in the club maybe.
Not really overl confident in signings being all that’s wrong.

It seems to me most of the signings started off promising and then severely dropped off after half a year.

But let’s hope you are right and we stop underachieving this year. And hopefully even overachieving sometime soon again.

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24 Jul 2018 16:23:54
Thanks Ed.
Any insights what these plans are?
Would be greatly appreciated.
Is Ribalta leaving part of the plans?
Or collateral damage?
Or totally against plans?

Jonny8

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07 Jul 2018 15:41:56
Thanks Park.

The real question here is whether the players we have could actually be good enough if the realized their potential.
I think that’s a yes.
And then it is whether Ronaldo would be enough to straighten them out.

It could easily be money better spend if Shaw gets his act together and Pogba does then signing Sandro and Milinkovic-Savic.

Not saying that’s the case, just a point to consider.

And signing Ronaldo will boost our revenue stream mir then signing Sandro and Milinkovic-Savic.
That’s a big plus in Ed’s book and should be in ours as well if the result on the pitch is the same.

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07 Jul 2018 08:06:21
I am torn on the Ronaldo debate.
He is obviously not young anymore and doesn’t dominate games like he used to when he was with us before.

He would bring huge marketing revenue and more importantly he would bring back the winning mentality.
He would go all Keane on those not pulling their weight. And we have a few of them, considering the performances at the World Cup compares to those in our red shirt.

Jonny8