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06 Oct 2017 09:19:13
Any truth in Utd looking at Jack Harrison. Is this just paper talk?

Mad Hatter



01 Aug 2017 10:35:51
ED002 do you know if Utd are in talks with PSG over a move for Aurier?


Mad Hatter

{Ed002's Note - I have explained there is interest.}

1.) 01 Aug 2017 10:55:05

2.) 01 Aug 2017 11:41:22
Ed2 would his previous visa problems still be an issue for any potential transfer.

{Ed002's Note - RTFP.}

3.) 01 Aug 2017 12:21:05
Just a heads up but ed002 has covered this on the European page.

4.) 01 Aug 2017 12:11:51
Swear i've seen this been asked like 5 times now :D.

5.) 01 Aug 2017 16:05:12
I tried on the European pages but found stuff from a couple of years ago.

{Ed004's Note - He is now Manutd first choice option after missing out on Semedo}

6.) 01 Aug 2017 17:18:31
It's on European page about 3/ 4 posts down.

7.) 01 Aug 2017 20:32:10
Cheers ED004. Discount Dave think I need a trip to spec savers lol.

8.) 02 Aug 2017 19:48:53
The full back I'd have liked was Mateo De Sciglio. I think Juve got a bargain there at 12 mill.



21 Jul 2017 19:50:00
ED002 are Man Utd looking at any buying another forward? .
Before hand you said Lukaku and Morata and Greizman were options. Lukaku has been signed, Morata will move to Chelsea and for now, Griezmann will stay at Athletico. Do you feel Mourinho will be happy with his attacking options for the forthcoming season?


Mad Hatter

{Ed002's Note - He may take the option of signing ZI again.}

1.) 21 Jul 2017 21:19:59
I think with the available options I say why not. i mean he saved our season, is a massive influence (in a positive way) on our team and can change a game in a heartbeat.

2.) 22 Jul 2017 00:24:58
Cheers ED002.

3.) 22 Jul 2017 11:57:37
I will be pissed if mourinho resigns ibra, we need to move forward and not backwards.

{Ed002's Note - I would agree.}

4.) 22 Jul 2017 12:29:12
Go for neymar if he really wants to leave Barca.

5.) 22 Jul 2017 12:44:28
Where would ibra fit in? Build for the future imo.

{Ed004's Note - I would wait for Griezmann in January and activate his clause tbh forget Perisic and address right back, maybe left back and the defensive midfield position}

6.) 22 Jul 2017 13:51:55
I think Ibra would only be signed if we had an injury crisis, maybe Jose is keeping his options open.

7.) 22 Jul 2017 16:03:51
In my opinion signing Zlatan short term won't be such a bad thing. We have too many games in the season to play with only Lukaku. This saves us the 50m odd which we would have to shell out to buy a decent striking option. Zlatan still has that effect in the dressing room. We would almost certainly go for Griezmann in the summer if not January.

Now before anyone points out Rashford and Martial, my opinion on them is same and hasn't changed yet. They aren't ready to lead the line for United just yet. Big games needs big players and they don't come any bigger than Zlatan.

8.) 22 Jul 2017 15:52:06
004, isn't it the case that AG's clause can only be activated by Spanish or Portuguese clubs?

{Ed004's Note - I'm not 100% sure but think we can activate them}

9.) 22 Jul 2017 16:15:10
Will Zlatan expect to be a first team player?
If Rashford, Martial and Lukaku etc are working really well together, where would he fit in?
It's all ifs and buts. His wages would be a lot as well.

{Ed004's Note - With Zlatans ego I'm sure he will want to be a starter. Hopefully, Rashford (right side), Lukaku and Martial form a really solid front 3 and we don't have to resort to signing Zlatan}

10.) 22 Jul 2017 18:41:37
Rashford and Martial aren't ready to lead the line if Lukaku spends any significant time out. If we don't sign Ibra we will end up signing another striker, who will be younger and block Rashford for years to come.

Ibra will give us cover without blocking Rashford for years.

11.) 22 Jul 2017 22:12:45
Martial and Rashford will only be ready if they give are given chances to rotate with Lukaku. I'm happy with our striker options with those 3, more concerned with a lack of quality wide players and a fit left back.

12.) 23 Jul 2017 01:50:00
I don't think martial will be a united player this time next year. I hope I'm wrong i would like to see him fulfil his potential here but i don't see him and Jose being along.

13.) 23 Jul 2017 12:01:19
I think you're right Ken. Jose doesn't have it in him to take Martial to the next level. He will probably just sign a player at his peak from another team.

14.) 23 Jul 2017 12:32:50
I don't think it falls with jose MAZE but i'm not surprised that u leave martials shortfalls at jose's feet.

15.) 23 Jul 2017 13:59:48
Not sure ken exactly said that maze. Maybe he can elaborate.

16.) 23 Jul 2017 14:39:22
Angel jose and martial are polar opposites same with shaw. Jose by his own admission finds it very difficult to manage this type of personality.
I think martial can be a good player but imo he is in the right place at the wring time.
He is probsbly going to be 3rd choice for his favoured 2 positions this season. So imo it does not bode well for him i'd rather invest what we couls sell him for elsewhere. I always said the same about adnan januzai i'm not conviced by martial and i think he massively over achieved in his 1st season at OT.

17.) 23 Jul 2017 15:36:54
It's possible Ken. It really is truly down to martial.

The reason adnan failed was because of his attitude not because of his talent.

I still believe there is something more to martial than adnan. That is only a hope as I believe he has shown his ability to work harder.

I still hope he kicks on. one things for sure. We will know come next season what type of person he is. The talent is there.

18.) 23 Jul 2017 16:32:23
I agree angel that he appears to have more about him than adnan i just don't think jose and martial are a good fit.

19.) 24 Jul 2017 17:18:14
I think Martial is one of the most talented and exciting forward players around . It would be a crying shame if he ends up elsewhere .
It might be a help if Jose stopped constantly singling him out in public . Of course if Jose had bought him for big money I'm sure his treatment would be different.

20.) 27 Jul 2017 08:20:32
Love to see use play 442 with lukaku and ZI up top with proper wingers and pogba and herrera holding . Be class against some one like Brighton at home to try out . Obv wouldn't play it in big games.



13 Jun 2017 14:05:43
Apparently we have ended interest in Fabinho and have decided to focus on Matic. Hopefully this isn't true.

Mad Hatter

1.) 13 Jun 2017 14:27:09
Would take Matic any day of the week: has been immense in the past; I even think he was nicknamed " Spider" for appearing to have extra legs, indicative of being a combative ball-winner.

2.) 13 Jun 2017 14:30:02
If this is true, hats off Ed002, you mentioned this on your Sharkopod. Either that or someone heard the Sharkopod and ripped Matic off there. But, Matic could easily be the surprise Jose mentioned.

3.) 13 Jun 2017 14:35:38
I don't know enough about Fabinho to judge him but I do think Matic would improve us. he fits the tall and strong physique typically associated with a Jose player.

4.) 13 Jun 2017 14:56:53
I'd like to see Dier in the roll personally.

5.) 13 Jun 2017 15:01:30
Matic is a very good defensive mid, and is proven in the EPL. Haven't seen a huge amount of Fabinho, but I trust Ed001 when he says that Fab is a lazy bugger who takes an age to back into position after getting forward.

6.) 13 Jun 2017 15:02:28
We wanted Matic last summer but Chelsea wouldn't sell. Can't see that changing.

7.) 13 Jun 2017 15:17:33
On white or whole wheat Rewz?

8.) 13 Jun 2017 15:42:13
If they are going for Bakayoko and Verratti I can see them letting Matic go.

9.) 13 Jun 2017 16:22:41
For what's it worth I'd like to see us sign a ball playing midfielder or deep lying play maker. Somebody who can dictate the play, get on the ball and play incisive forward passes from deep positions into midfield and the front men. An intelligent player to sit in front of the back four, always be available for the ball, link the play, keep possession but is able to play forward incisive balls rather than playing sideways all the time, be the quarterback of our team so to speak. I think that's the type of midfielder we should be targeting. We've already got a combative ball winning midfielder in Herrera. He needs to be released forward to press and win the ball higher up the pitch and we need somebody that can feed Pogba the ball further forward where he can be more creative. Just my opinion and the way I see things and I'm not sure Matic fits the bill?

10.) 13 Jun 2017 16:25:54
Matic looked a beast when he first returned to Chelsea but he went well off the boil 2 season ago and he was fairly quiet last season. Now he's linked with us he's world class 😂

No doubt he'd improve our midfield but would he improve it enough to challenge for the PL?

11.) 13 Jun 2017 16:26:37
Danny, I think white as it's more calorific and would add more energy to the midfield.

12.) 13 Jun 2017 16:44:34
Likely its ripped off from the sharkopod.
Also doubt very much if we'd sign matic.

13.) 13 Jun 2017 18:29:45
Absolute joke if we sign Matic and Chelsea sign Bakayoko/ Verratti.

Reminds me of us taking Schweiny whilst Bayern sign Vidal.

If this happens we are a shambles. We need to be signing the best, not rejects. Matic is a good player, but Chelsea would improve more than we will by this deal. We need to be closing the gap, not widening it.

14.) 13 Jun 2017 18:53:27
We're linked to a player who's won 2 PL titles in the past 3 seasons and he's labelled a Chelsea cast off.
Chelsea are linked with Bakayoko who's had 1 decent season and people are getting there knickers in a twist.
How about looking at from a different angle, that we would be poaching a very good player from a rival.
I personally would love to see us sign Fabinho but again, he's only had one decent season in France as a DM.
I definitely wouldn't turn my nose up at signing Matic.

15.) 13 Jun 2017 19:07:04
I really hope we are in for Toni Kroos as Ed002 has alluded to.

16.) 13 Jun 2017 19:21:04
Matic is a very good player. An expert in his role. A players player. Does his job and allows others to theirs.
Fabhino was my no1 target. A tecnically gifted player and a superb right back too. Like griezman i'd be disappointed if we don't sign fabhino but matic is a very good option to fulfil that role.
Im still seeing reports of a fabhino deal agreed but he is on holiday so 99.9% of what we read is BS.
Beast i like bakayoko too but think fabhino just shades it for me.
Veratti if allowed to leave will go to Barcelona i'd imagine he doesn't fancy england and if he ever came to england i don't see him living anywhere except London. He is my fav player in many ways. Chelsea are not over flush with cash and won't pay 80m for veratti.
As far as pure dm position goes matic is currently better more experienced and epl proven but he has probably hit his ceiling and i believe fabhino will reach greater heights within a couple of seasons that's why i would sign fabhino.

17.) 13 Jun 2017 19:44:00
if matic is so good why is chelsea making him available? Agree with beast we need better than our opposition to progress not worse.

{Ed002's Note - THey are looking to buy someone they consider an improvement.}

18.) 13 Jun 2017 20:49:50
I'm not sure how finishing a country mile behind Chelsea then buying a player off them who they think can be improved upon helps us close the gap . I'd go for kroos I know he's not a dier or matic type but he's so much better than them. A midfield playmaker in the scholes of later years . A midfield 3 of kroos pogba and Herrera as good as any if coached well.

19.) 13 Jun 2017 21:04:39
I think we need a specialist defensive midfielder who can break up attacks then distribute to the more attack-minded players. It would obviously be a bonus if they are good on the ball and have an eye for a pass but Pogba and Herrera are better employed further upfield, plus fullbacks and wider players.

We know JM likes this kind of player (Makele, Matic etc) so while a Kroos would be a great signing, is he the specialist that the team needs? My ideal signing would be Javi Martinez.

20.) 13 Jun 2017 23:32:48
I think Martinez would be a great signing Wallace.

21.) 14 Jun 2017 10:04:19
Thanks Danny, great minds. 😉.



06 Jun 2017 17:44:33
Now we're linked with a £49 million bid for Sanchez.
Personally I can't see Arsenal selling him us or any other EPL club unless they receive a silly other. I think he may well end up at Bayern if he leaves.

Mad Hatter

1.) 06 Jun 2017 20:36:34
Smalling plus cash?

{Ed025's Note - if you want sanchez it will be £80m porche, if its sanchez and you give them smalling..its £85m.. :)

2.) 06 Jun 2017 21:21:52
😂 ed.

3.) 06 Jun 2017 22:38:53
Sanchez is in his last contract year with Arsenal which puts the power firmly in the hands of the player. The club will want to avoid the risk of losing him for nothing at the end of next season. Will he accept the reported £300k a week to stay where he is and play Europa League football? Given, no doubt, there are other suitors, is there any chance he will want to play in Manchester? Does he like Mourinho? I can see him leaving the Gunners for maybe £400k per week wages but a transfer fee closer to £50m than £80m.




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05 Dec 2018 21:59:13
Great game, very entertaining.
Torreira was lucky tonight, he should have been booked earlier on.

Both sides made mistakes, but is was a high tempo, and almost end to end action.

Mad Hatter

1.) 05 Dec 2018 22:08:47
Agree mad hatter.
Every player that started gave 100% effort. Its just an obvious lack of quality from the likes of smalking rojo who were at fault for the goals obv ddg too.
We have been lacking effort and quality.
Its amazing how much better we looked with more effort.
Its a pity our quality players don't want to try as hard as our average ones.

2.) 05 Dec 2018 22:09:35
Agreed. Entertaining. Despite the lack of quality, the effort levels - which is the biggest problem with our side right now - were very good. Can only hope that will continue.

3.) 05 Dec 2018 22:18:02
Bailly was absolute quality, feel as it Lukaku and Pogba changed the game, but not for the better.

4.) 05 Dec 2018 22:29:39
Agree with you both 100%.

5.) 05 Dec 2018 22:34:22
Great tempo until the subs were made, especially pogba for lingard which seemed to stop any tempo we had, he didn't look interested when he came on and his passing was shocking.

6.) 05 Dec 2018 23:09:19
Pog is outta here - we can only hope Juve want him back.

7.) 06 Dec 2018 00:31:57
Stick with this formation. Swap out smalling for lindelof, darmien for Shaw and Pogba for Matic when all fit. Should help us at the back. Pretty aggressive in midfield and as fluid up top as we can get without an attacking system or philosophy. This should hopefully deliver some ok football until the inevitable happens with Mourinho.



02 Dec 2018 18:25:04
ED0002 dare I ask, who would you think should the club make their next manager, should Mourinho leave?

Mad Hatter

{Ed002's Note - Not one for me to deal with any longer. Sorry.}

1.) 02 Dec 2018 18:50:06
Unspoken rules of the website, get roasted by Ed002 take it on the chin and move on.
No point arguing over crappy opinions as you won't ever win. Eds know all sorts of invaluable information, and because your ego can't let it go everyone else suffers.

Angelred apologies for yesterday xx.

2.) 02 Dec 2018 19:31:42
A bit unfair. I invite others to read what I wrote and decide if I was in any way out of line or displayed the type of arrogance you're intimating. I've no problem with being better informed by anyone but don't think anyone should needlessly be insulted. But people have offdays and phrase things in the wrong way so I'm good with ed002. I was respectful and will remain so.

{Ed002's Note - I don't ever have an off day. I think he is no more than teasing you. A bit like a ping on the ass with a wet towel.}

3.) 02 Dec 2018 19:42:45
Bang on Ed. I'll get into the swing of it eventually. Just have patience with me!

4.) 02 Dec 2018 19:52:00
Btw while you're listening, do you mind me asking if you think the criticism by myself and others of Woodward us warranted. As I see it he has been caught out too often by agents, overpaid too often for players, and agreed to wages that are far above reasonable levels for the players in question. Again I don't know anything about inner workings of the club so is this reading of it fair or is the problem wider. The club looks in disarray and identifying the main sources can only help.

{Ed002's Note - No Don, it is not unwarrented. Manchester United, like most clubs use advisors to give a calming view on player, potential transfers, coaching etc., and I can say with confidence that EW has ignored what the club has been told (largely). The issue over the Director of Football/Sporting Director has been running since JM arrived and as I have previously explained there were two options agreed upon by the manager and by the club - yet nothing was done and it has been allowed to drift to the back of the pile. What I don't want to do is allow a hate campaign against individuals and there are those making decisions that are unknown to most here - and it is best it stays like that. But the blue tinge view etc that I have explained before remain - something which is sure as hell nothing to do with JM.}

5.) 02 Dec 2018 20:00:57
Great insight, thanks Ed.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome Don and thanks for the decent questions.}

6.) 02 Dec 2018 20:05:51
Nice insight ed. Do you believe Woodward will have learned from previous mistakes?

{Ed002's Note - Tough to see that he will. This is an "agenda" moment not a "what is best moment". Mourinho, like is or not is an astonishing coach that will piss off people around him to achieve the best for the club he is at. For that you can be assured. At Chelsea they had intelligent players who reacted well. At Manchester United, perhaps there are players who do not really understand. Mourinho is committed but will upset people - he will intimidate and annoy, but he knows what he is doing and there is little argument to say that he does not know what is best. Woodward wants a diffent solution and is being perhaps in English would be called an irritant. I know the description in another language but this is a family website.)

7.) 02 Dec 2018 20:33:08

Thank you. I very rarely engage directly but your information that EW has ignored what the club has (largely) been told by advisors is staggering. It is no wonder the club is not just stagnating but going backwards.

{Ed002's Note - I would have thought you would have known that in the summer.}

8.) 02 Dec 2018 21:23:30
I don't mind Jose digging out the players at all. And had no problem with him being manager.
But his tactics and selection chop and change after each match, I just don't get it. And playing Matic every game is counter productive as he loos knackered.

I've said it all along changing managers may see a change of style of play but it won't change the deeper problems in the club.

9.) 02 Dec 2018 23:36:04
Will the club be looking at any changes regarding woodward if he carries on ignoring most people/ advisors opinions?

10.) 03 Dec 2018 08:06:15
What members of the Glazer family are pulling the strings?

11.) 02 Dec 2018 21:05:25
Cheers ed. Always perplexed as to those on here who think Jose is past it etc.

12.) 02 Dec 2018 23:31:46
Ed002, obviously if a director of football came in then they would take over a lot of duties that Woodward himself does. Is he stalling to appoint someone in this position because he doesn't want to relinquish that control or should I take this to the conspiracy pages?

13.) 02 Dec 2018 23:41:43
Ed 002 if as you say EW has largely ignored the advice of advisors then does that mean the clubs owners are aware he has and are backing him and his judgement over the advisors / Jose. If so even they must surely be worried about the financial impact it will inevitably have on the club and thus their pockets. Is there anytji g you can see in the immediate future that is going to change drastically to enable the club to move forward.

{Ed002's Note - The ownersdo not get involved with the day to day running of the club.}

14.) 04 Dec 2018 01:39:24
Thanks as ever Ed 002 for your insights. I find it interesting that the owners of what tiny is obviously really just one more of their businesses do not take a more hands on approach when things are obviously not going well and there has been a decline for years. I am. not saying that they would be getting involved in the minutae of daily life at Man Utd but I would have thought they would be asking probing questions of all the senior people and players and drawing their own conclusions and deciding who is mainly responsible for the decline and try to take decisive positive action.

{Ed002's Note - Ok.}



26 Nov 2018 06:38:02
Ed's, can you shed some light onto why Bailly isn't playing?

Will the club look to sell him?

Mad Hatter

{Ed002's Note - He is one of a number of players the coach has available and perhaps in the summer they would be open to him leaving if he is not getting the game time he wants.}

1.) 26 Nov 2018 07:59:46
That cruyff turn against liverpool was the beginning of the end for him.

2.) 26 Nov 2018 08:01:46
Cheers ED0002.

3.) 26 Nov 2018 12:26:03
he is our best cb. says it all when he isn't even liked.

we are in a mess.

4.) 26 Nov 2018 16:41:26
I agree bolger2, its sums up our predicament.



22 Nov 2018 11:56:14
A new deal for Smalling, he should be allowed to leave, or should have been sold.

Jones needs to be moved on aswell.
Mediocre players.

Our main problem is that we have a lot of average players that won't take us to the next level.

Mad Hatter

1.) 22 Nov 2018 12:45:01
Who makes these decisions?

2.) 22 Nov 2018 15:02:51
Jose picks him week after week . Come on back the manager.

3.) 22 Nov 2018 16:40:42
Keeps him every week because:

Rojo and Jones would be better suited to appearing on Holby.

There's question marks over Bailly's attitude and fitness.

And Lindelof took a season to settle and adjust to a new country and league and his since forced his way into the team.

So what's left to pick from? Personally I'd go Bailly but we don't really know if there is an issue. Out of the three, Smalling, Rojo and Jones then most will go Smalling, best of a bad bunch.

4.) 22 Nov 2018 16:59:10
Smalling is our first choice cb even after Jose has signed 2 cbs. you may like the player or rate him but Jose does .
Take a step back mort try and support the players YOU follow.

5.) 22 Nov 2018 17:20:00
How about reading what people put. I've explained a possible reason why. 3 of them are injury prone. It leaves Lindelof and Smalling. Who else is there to pick from?

6.) 22 Nov 2018 17:22:53
Although I just think your being contrary again. If everyone said Smalling was the greatest English defender since Moore you'd be pointing out all the mistakes he's made this season. I'm sure you've noticed how many he's made. Which is why people ask why he keeps getting picked. As you point out he's signed two. He's playing one. And Bailly as has been said there's an issue there.

7.) 22 Nov 2018 17:58:33
Players are like coaches they are transient employees of the clyb.
Jred hates when people point out flaws in certain players and bemoans people that 'hate' these players which of course is nonsense because nobody hates these guys.
But its ok if jref slates tha manager.
In fact there is no difference between players and managers.
But jred can critisise who he likes but nobody has the right to critisise players jred likes.
Go figure?
Its ok to slag off players or managers jred is not as fond of. Complete double standards. Which is the only thing jred is consitent with. Double standards.

8.) 22 Nov 2018 18:04:14
A new contract for Smalling sums up everything that is wrong at the club. The world and his dog can see he's average at best and in my opinion he is a liability. With the amount of manhandling he does, once VAR comes in he is screwed.

That Jose picks him every week is a further illustration of why Jose shouldn't be at Utd.

9.) 22 Nov 2018 18:48:18
Smalling did ok last season but was flanked by full backs that don't attack and when matic was in form he protected smallung and co
Shaw comes in and sucked more so smalling is exposed that coupled with matic poor form compounds smallings problem.
He is average. Just like rojo just like jones just like valencia just like young just like fellaini just like herrera just like mata .
Average joes.
No manager in the world could turn that lot into epl champions. Swuad players the lot of them but some of them start 40 games a season which has got us average results.

10.) 22 Nov 2018 19:44:29
Ken but these are Jose players players he wants .
What you going to do when Jose leaves?
Champions 😂😂😂we are 8th plenty of managers could do that .

Read your post about Jones rojo smalling and tell me again you support United.

11.) 22 Nov 2018 19:48:47
People have said all the same things about fellaini . But Jose has backed the wig 100% he also got a new contract .
When are people going the realise these are Jose players.

12.) 22 Nov 2018 20:23:04
What I'm not a united fan because I say Jones has injury problems, Rojo has injury problems and Smalling has made a lot of mistakes this season? What planet are you on? But if it'll make you happy I won't post on here again.

13.) 22 Nov 2018 20:32:20
Mort you can't support united if you critisise some of their employees. But that doesn't include the employees jred doesn't like its ok to critique them and still call yourself a united supportee.

14.) 22 Nov 2018 20:41:31
Jred the objective is to be champions.
We can't be champions with these players imo we can only come 2nd or worse. We came 2nd last season . We are well behind that at the moment.
My point is simple no coach will turn these players into champions becaise we don't have the quality in the squad.
A new coach will need to get new players in order to compete for the league. No matter how well martial sanchez or rashford play we won't win the league no matter who the coach is with this sqaud.
We in all probability would play a more attractive style but that won't guarantee resilts either.
Come new year if we are still 8th i'd be surprised and disappointed but the show will go on and if we have a poor season we will go again next season with a new coach and more importantly new players.

15.) 22 Nov 2018 20:48:39
Dont let him get to you mort 😂😂😂
You are a great poster on here great sense of humour and seem to be a decent chap.
Dont worry be happy.



13 Nov 2018 08:57:18
Smalling and Lindelof aren't working as a CB partnership. Matic isn't helping with his lack of mobility and poor marking.

Bailly has been made a scapegoat.
He is our best CB. When he plays we play more confidently from the back.

Personally i woukd play 442, Martial and Rashford up front.
Attack defences, go out and terrify them. Currently the long ball upto Lukaku is flawed, predictable and a guarantee of giving the ball back to the opposition.

Top 4 is possible but if we lose another 2-3 games before January, it will become very difficult.

The reality is, Mourinho is stuck in his ways. I hope he can work it out.

Sadly, this woll be a season of fustration. hopefully we can qualify from the CL group stages.

The january transfer window may well be a crucial one.

Mad Hatter

1.) 13 Nov 2018 10:12:28
Hi Guys

So its Tuesday, we have got Monday out of the way so time for some reflection on the weekend without the raw emotion attached.

For me the table doesn't lie it was 1st against 8th, so was it really that much of a surprise the result. The victory there in April was just a fluke, they should of been out of sight after 40 minutes.

Sunday showed me what I probably already knew. Their are leaps and bounds ahead as far as we are concerned in terms of comparison. They have everything in place now, the coach, the money, the players, the infrastructure, no one can dispute that.

What shocks me as a United fan is how we have allowed this to materialise and not moved with it. Anyone who know's me know's I don't buy this lack of support from the owners rubbish. A lot of responsibility here lies with the footballing operation at the club.

I look in comparison now dare I say it with the Scousers and them lot. Look at the comparisons in professionalism from top to bottom. You have Klopp and Pep, animated managers getting the best out of their players. All we have is a bloke who stands there pulling silly faces at the camera and cupping his ear after the odd fluky uninspiring win (Turin)

Wheres the structure, Wheres the professionalism that was once commonplace at our club under our greatest managers Busby and Ferguson. We have a manager now who stays and the Lowrey and can check out anytime he wants. what's that all about, we can't even turn up for our home games on time. What are we becoming here.

We're the laughing stock of football at the minute and rightly so. Millions and Millions spent on players who couldn't care less about us. And fans who just want to blame everything on your owner or Ed Woodward. You just can't keep pointing the finger at them. Ferguson's stubborn stand off with the press proving he could win it with average Joes. Where was the planning for the future in that exercise?

Wheres our director of football? Who is advising the owners on what's best for the club and the best way to do it? Its an absolute shambles and this won't get any better without change. We can't keep letting these managers run down the season to the point of mathematical impossibility of top four. We need to act now.

Sam Allardyce could get as much out of this team as Mourinho, its disgraceful football and an unprofessional set up in terms of the footballing operation. Let the Glazers and Woodward do what they do best on the commercial side, you can't fault them where revenue is concerned.

Would you back Mourinho again after Fred. I know I wouldn't . Take action now for me or you can forget top four. Its probably gone already.

2.) 13 Nov 2018 10:57:07
Unfortunately I think big Sam would actually get more from these players than Jose is. All the talk about whether players are good enough is misleading, there are enough good players in our squad but we are rubbish for one reason, work rate. Least sprints, lowest distance covered, absolutely no pressure on the ball without possession and slow attacking and lack of numbers in attack when in possession. This is either instructions of the manager or player laziness, either way something needs doing. If its Jose he needs to go, if its the players they need dropping.

3.) 13 Nov 2018 11:16:34
Good post Mike.

The short answer to your question on why we have let it get this bad. Just have a look at the thousands of posts from 6 months into Jose's Utd career until today, where he still has many Utd fans excusing and backing this dross. I knew after a couple of months we hired the Chelsea Manager that got sacked, not the idealist younger fresher version.

If fans that know a bit about footy can't see it through their desperation (possibly more than Woody), then it's not hard to imagine that an incompetent board are happy or swayed to put up with it. Americans tend to be more dreamy than Brits in my experience, SUPER POSITIVE, words seem to count more than actions because it's all about brand. That spreads down and inevitably it's easy to see any slight positive as more than it is. We have turned into a fake club.

We are weak, we lack that ruthlessness that top teams have. We even see it in our players that lack any sort of character on the football pitch. Manager isn't committed and past his best, players don't look capable, the club is losing or has lost what made it great. No passion, just lame excuses and many of our weak fans need to stop accepting this garbage we are served up week in week out.

We have hired 3 defensive managers on the spin, spent hundreds of millions putting square pegs in round holes. We look like a bunch of random individuals playing with no team identity and the manager has to take the blame, closely followed by the incompetent board above him football wise.

4.) 13 Nov 2018 11:14:40
Jose can't get the players working hard enough. This was shown in his final season at Chelsea, they stopped playing for him and the side would have been relegated had Jose not been sacked. The following season with much the same squad they win the league.

He was sacked at Madrid because the players stopped playing for him.

The statistics show that our side don't put in the work, it doesn't matter if that is because of Jose's instructions or because the players don't want to play for him. The result is the same, Jose needs to leave in order for our squad to play to their potential.

Some people argue that its the modern players attitude, they don't want to work hard, they are lazy and earn too much money.

Yet, managers such as Simeone, Kloop, Sarri, Pep and Pochettino have made their players run through walls for them, they have worked them hard and they have responded and pushed themselves.

Maybe slagging off your players to the press doesn't work anymore, the rights and wrongs of that are irrelevant. A manager can't change society, he can however adapt to it. Jose isn't adapting, and its costing us.

I still wouldn't sack him yet, mostly because I don't think the right people or structure are in place yet. I feel it could be a case of out of the frying pan and into the fire. Especially if Zidane gets the job, who is the likely candidate.

5.) 13 Nov 2018 11:27:33
Whilst the debate rages regarding who is to blame for our current malaise it got me thinking to how Pep would deal with our current squad. If we accept the premise that he's the best manager and Mourinho is vastly underachieving then how different would our team look if Pep was in charge?

Pep has predominantly favoured 4-3-3 so no radical changes there. City were heavily linked with both Sanchez and Fred so I'll assume both would be involved. Considering Pep's insistence of high intensity pressing, combined with mobility, fluidity and possession I have attempted to select a team in his image from our current squad.

De Gea, Bailly, Rojo, Young, Shaw, Fred, Herrera, Pogba, Martial, Lingard, Sanchez.

I'm not entirely sure who he'd play at RB or CB. I think Bailly would compete with Lindelof for the right side and I think Rojo would play on the left to bring some balance. I also think Mata could play in one of the more advanced midfield positions but have opted for Herrera as he brings more energy and intensity to the team.

I think the main difference is Mourinho's preference for strength, height and power and his mentality to sit deep and absorb pressure in comparison to Pep's more pro active, attacking and fluid approach. Smalling, Matic, Lukaku even Fellaini are all stalwarts of his team and I'm not convinced any would play under Pep and certainly not all together.

There would obviously be a shift in mentality and a plan to win the ball back higher up the pitch meaning our defence would be under considerably less pressure. Sanchez, Lingard, Herrera, Fred all have the mobility and mentality to put the opposition under intense pressure and win the ball back. Pogba and Martial would have to follow suit and work harder.

I'd love to see our team go out and play with hunger, intensity and desire and to see what it's capable of with the more technical players in our squad given a platform to excel.

Forget about the structure of the Club or a DOF etc the most important man is the manager. If Pep was in charge we wouldn't be talking about that stuff anyway. We would have a clear identity and vision. We would all recognise the style of play, know what direction the Club was heading and what was needed to improve.

Mourinho plays pragmatic, percentage football. He has historically managed good players where he gets them well drilled and organised, based predominantly around a defensive structure which sees his team sit deep and is difficult to break down. He then relies on individuals or set pieces to win him matches. When he spoke about our defeat on Sunday he is factually correct in what he said. The system and tactics were theoretically sound. It provided us with a platform to stay in the game and compete against a better side. Mourinho can't legislate for individual mistakes, he can't play the game for his players. What he's failed to understand is we are Man Utd. We don't want to play percentage football, we don't want to be the underdogs. He doesn't have a Terry to organise his defence or a Ronaldo to provide him consistent moments of individual brilliance. I think any coach in the league could manage this squad and have us in 8th position. With the players we have I don't think we would fall much lower even if I was in charge. Considering Jose CV I find this unnerving but his regular outbursts and public criticism of players have left him with bridges to build and wounds to heal. There are signs relationships have healed, results have improved but I get the impression it's a fragile peace and he's seriously up against it for a top 4 finish now.

6.) 13 Nov 2018 12:37:23
So in summary then DLIB nothing looks likely to change anytime soon.

You have suggested a team that may fit the Pep style, but there is about as much chance of Jose playing that team as Shergar leading them on to the pitch serenaded by Elvis.

Ultimately we are left in the same position (8th) with the same boring percentage type football that is driving us all insane as United fans. No one finds it funny anymore. We are close to having a gallows sense of humour here.

Souness put Neville on the spot and he was dead right, why is he not getting the best out of these players? You can take the City game out of the equation. Look at the Bournemouth game last weekend they should have been out of sight again before Tony Marshall scored. Its unacceptable.

No one fears coming to Old Trafford anymore, they fancy themselves and why shouldn't they. You make one of the biggest coups in the transfer market last January make him the best paid player in the premiership and he plays for the last 20 minutes in most games. Its an absolute disgrace.

The owners need to take up the baton here and say why are you not getting the best out of these players and getting us results on a consistent basis, when Guardiola and Klopp are?

If its all down to the manager as you allude to, then surely that is where the change needs to be made. Percentage Pragmatic Football, Its isn't working here it just isn't. This conversation is exactly the same as we had last December after we were beat by them at OT. Everyone watching a derby at OT where we looked like the away team with no spirit or pride in the jersey.

Everyone is sick to death of it. I phone mates up to see if they fancy coming watching it in the pub and the response you get is why would I want to spoil a nice afternoon's drinking watching that dross. Its not just me here, its most people you speak to.

I couldn't care less about his past record, I want a rosy future like City have got under Pep and Liverpool under Klopp, your past counts for nothing in modern football. Change needed and quickly for me.

7.) 13 Nov 2018 16:36:43
Really good post that, interesting read.

8.) 13 Nov 2018 16:58:59
I second that. Great post DLIB.

9.) 13 Nov 2018 17:17:33
Good repost Moston I admire your passion and enthusiasm. I can't argue with much of your post, the majority of our fans feel exactly the same.

My post was speculative and rhetorical designed to illicit if people think a change of style, mentality and manager would yield considerably better results!

Let's not forget yet despite the rigid, turgid and unimaginative football as it stands Jose has won two trophies, finished runners up and reached an FA cup final. Is that really so bad?!

I think that even the most ardent supporter would accept that Pep inherited a vastly superior squad. He has been fully backed by his board who share the same ideology and ambition. Jose on the other hand has continually had to fight fires and persuade the board to bend to his will with limited success. It would appear that they are at loggerheads and have differing opinions on transfer policy and how to move the Club forward. This animosity must seep into the psyche of the players and only diminishes Jose's power within the dressing room.

Many of our fans like to dismiss Jose CV which I find disrespectful and naive. Jose has been hugely successful using his particular brand of football. He has was won titles in England, Spain, Italy and Portugal with four different teams with differing resources. He has won the Champions League with two different Clubs including the treble. He last title came only 3 years ago so to call him a dinosaur is a touch premature and short sighted. Let's not forget Pep hasn't won the Champions League since 2011. He couldn't replicate this at Bayern despite inheriting a treble winning team and he hasn't come remotely close at City. In fact Pelegrini managed to navigate City's passage to the semi finals.

Jose style is not to everyone's taste but we can't argue that's it's not been hugely successful.

His methods are reliant on organisation and discipline. This lays the foundation which is then reliant upon individuals to provide the quality up front to win the game. His best teams stifled and strangled the opposition. The opposition were lucky to create a chance never mind score a goal. His teams were hard to play against, often beaten before a ball had been kicked and certainly defeated after the first goal was scored, there was simply no way back.

He has brought some of these qualities to Utd. I think we remain unbeaten when we have scored the first goal and our win percentage in these games is ridiculously high.

Injuries, loss of form and a lack of quality in our defence has meant he has been unable to build the team on solid foundations. He has been unable to instil defensive discipline in the likes of Pogba and Martial and we have lacked the mercurial genius upfront to spearhead our attack to score and create goals.

His sullen mood preseason and confrontation with the board eroded all confidence in our fragile defenders. We are conceding chances and goals with alarming regularity and this is so unlike a Jose team.

It is my belief that the Smalling/ Lindelof axis simply isn't good enough. Both make basic mistakes on a regular basis and I wouldn't have neither anywhere near my team.

Our results have improved because Martial is now fulling his potential and delivering goals and assists on a regular basis. I've heard others suggest Lindelof has improved yet if he was performing at the same level as Martial we wouldn't be conceding so many goals and would be winning games more easily.

Any further success under Mourinho will be dependent on finding a reliable, consistent defence, capable of keeping clean sheets and the continued development and improvement in Martial providing the moments of quality required to win games. Of course if the likes of Pogba, Sanchez, Lukaku, Lingard and Rashford can also improve and replicate the form of Martial things will improve considerably.

Mourinho does have a style and method which has brought him great success, unfortunately it's not universally to our liking and without a solid defence he's facing an uphill battle!

10.) 13 Nov 2018 18:52:31
Player wise, we need to stop the obsession with high profile, expensive, often elderly players who may be good for some commercial exploitation.
Maybe a couple of top players to build a team around, but I feel some lower profile (maybe younger) additions might be better.

They would probably realise they gave had the opportunity of a lifetime come their way and would play out of their skins to keep it. This could only benefit the club and preserve funds for when we really need to splash the cash.
Just thinking - perhaps I live in fools paradise.




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13 Nov 2018 08:47:28
Mourinho likes big strong players.
Matic is static and needs to be dropped.
We have some very good technical players in Mata and Perriera. Herrara is like a little jack russel and gets stuck in.
Bailly needs to play at the back again.

More importantly, can anyone see DDg signing a new contract or Martial.
We could lose a lot of players next summer.

I'd sell

Jones, Valencia (34) in August, Rojo, Darmian, Fellaini, Matic, Sanchez, Smalling, pogba is he wants to go, sell him. Lukaku, poor technically, not a top forward.

The worrying thing is DDG Mata, Herrera and Martial could all leave for free next summer.

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17 Oct 2018 13:58:59
The issue for me is, why have we let the contracs of so many players run down.

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08 Oct 2018 18:20:05
Are then any viable options for the club, interms of who could possibly take over from Mourinho.
I would presume that they have a potential list of next managers drawn up' give the current predicament.
Is the focus on appointing a DOF or is that been put on hold for the time being?

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{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any potential list of new managers the club has drawn up - they would need to take advice over the matter. In terms of interim managers, both Sam Allardyce and Glenn Roeder are available.}



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06 Oct 2018 11:37:37
Good post.
Its a sign of the times, a lack of maturity from the players who get paid despite performing poorly.
Has anyone read what Berlosconi plans to do at Monza.
No tattos or piercings or beards for the players. Haircut at the club.

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06 Aug 2018 09:31:28
Cheers ED001.

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{Ed001's Note - very welcome mate.}




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04 Dec 2018 15:27:58
I partially agree, however you can't run before you walk.

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03 Dec 2018 17:53:26
We were bound to experience a down patch.

ED002 warned us that we might have to expect not qualifying for European football.

As a fan, I realise we have been spoilt we the success we've had under SAF.

Onwards and forwards (backwards for now) . It's like trying to hold onto a mechanical bull ;)

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29 Nov 2018 14:50:23
The passion showed by Silva and Marquinhos in defence was something we rarely see at UTD.

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26 Nov 2018 16:41:26
I agree bolger2, its sums up our predicament.

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Cheers ED0002.

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