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09 Jun 2019 21:34:28
That Dias looks a very composed and tidy player. Hope our interest is serious because in today’s day and age, £50m could be a shrewd signing.

Park3lung

1.) 09 Jun 2019 21:57:20
He looks a player, although I think he might take a year to settle a bit like Lindelof. He doesn't look the strongest and will need to be stronger in the EPL. But he has great technique, wonderful reading of the game and a bit of bite in him.


2.) 09 Jun 2019 22:43:43
He looks made for the Premier League to me fella’s, would me more than happy if we could bring him in, Bruno Fernandez was also impressive tonight. Could do a lot worse than aiming to sign both up.


3.) 09 Jun 2019 23:15:41
Spot on lads. I have been a bit concerned about de ligt when he is against pace which is why I’ve not been fully sold on the idea of joining. I know there is no chance, but I do think defensively he’s not the best. Great on the ball and he has the potential to be a great player. But first and foremost I want my cbs to be able to defence.

Dias looks like a good defender and keeps things simple. If there is a chance to sign him I’d be all over it. Alderweireld is another, koulibaly is too expensive and perhaps Milenkovic. Never been the biggest Maguire fan but he is an improvement.

Impressed with Bruno tonight, hope we sign him. The Portuguese team had really quality on the ball, something the Dutch perhaps lacked. Bernardo, Ronaldo and Bruno are all players with equisite technique. That was the difference for me. Bernardo is an absolute gem of a player. Combines talent with sheer work rate and industry. City have a great player on their hands. Thoroughly jealous.


4.) 10 Jun 2019 12:26:58
Bernardo Silva is absolutely class, I'm surprised how strong he is for such a small player.

Hopefully CR7 has put in a good word about us to Bruno and Dias, both look very good.

In terms of CBs, Toby would be my first choice. I know he's a short-term fix, but we need an instant fix to our defence, we can't wait 2-3 years for a new full back and centre back to develop.


 

 

22 Mar 2019 00:02:14
Hope these rumours of Herrera to PSG are media rubbish. Would be gutted to see him go. Any truth in it Eds?

Park3lung

{Ed002's Note - They have spoken with him they say.}


1.) 22 Mar 2019 08:09:26
Are any clubs looking at .....

{Ed002's Note - This is the MANCHESTER UNITED page.}


2.) 22 Mar 2019 09:42:33
Thanks for the swift response ed.


 

 

06 Mar 2019 13:11:26
Hi Ed002 any truth in the rumours united are interested in Bruno fernandes? Seems he plays attacking mid and may well be a replacement for pogba if he goes. Thanks.

Park3lung

{Ed002's Note - Bruno Fernandes (AM) is of interest to Everton and Liverpool have certainly looked at him on two or more occasions. Spurs maintain an interest but only if Christian Eriksen leaves. Asking price has more than doubled from what was already a high price in recent months and that has pushed aside interest from Juventus who don't see the value, Valencia and CSKA. Whilst Manchester United, Bayern Munich and another EPL side, none have a declared interest that I know of and all have other AM targets.}


1.) 07 Mar 2019 00:37:30
Thanks very much ed.


 

 

07 Jan 2019 12:20:18
Hi Ed apologies if this has already been covered but is there any truth in united bidding for Barella? I understand Chelsea are looking at him to replace fabregas. From what I’ve seen of Barella he looks a talented player. Be interested to hear your thoughts on him. Thanks.

Park3lung

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any MU bid.}


1.) 07 Jan 2019 13:44:17
thanks for the quick reply ed. hope all is well.

{Ed002's Note - No problem.}


 

 

15 May 2018 10:20:26
Hi Ed002 is you are around hope you are well mate. I know you said we had interest in alex Sandro but is he now our first choice target for left back? Thanks.

Park3lung

{Ed002's Note - I can't help with transfers any longer, sorry.}


1.) 15 May 2018 10:41:41
No problem thanks ed.


2.) 15 May 2018 12:32:14
If there is any truth in Sandro at 50 mill and the lad from Napoli as right back who seems highly rated at 44 mill -I don't pretend to know much about him -then Shaw and Darmian out as directly replaced for a net spend of 60 mill for a key part of defence with added attacking flair seems a good deal.


3.) 15 May 2018 12:52:37
would be a great pair of signings if true burrenway. I like Hysaj he looks a very good player. Only time will tell!


4.) 15 May 2018 12:25:31
Ed002 - is there any light at the end of the tunnel? When will you be back?

{Ed002's Note - Right now there is no plan to do anything involving transfers any longer.}


5.) 15 May 2018 14:46:53
Yes Park3lung, a bit of pace and flair going forward. I would then hope TFM comes into the first team squad as a back up rb to get him some real experience.


6.) 15 May 2018 17:41:54
Ed002 i am very sorry to hear that. I hope that there comes a time when this is all resolved and we have the pleasure of your wise words once more.

{Ed002's Note - Thanks, we'll see.}


7.) 15 May 2018 21:13:54
Most of us echo those thoughts Pogthedog, this site is a better place with Ed002 on board.


8.) 15 May 2018 22:41:22
Ultimately United will but whoever they buy.

{Ed033's Note - Sounds painful and unnecessary :)


 

 

 

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15 Sep 2019 12:37:30
Didn’t get a chance to watch the game yesterday and only watched the highlights. Is anybody able to give a summary on how we played and who played well/ not so well?

On the face of it, it great result against an unbeaten Leicester side, especially with all those injuries. Wasn’t expecting the win, so great to see we grounded out a result. Hope we can improve on consistency and take each game as it comes.

Park3lung

1.) 15 Sep 2019 13:55:36
We started well in general pattern of play, pressing high up the pitch and winning individual battles with Leicester players. A good example of this was Andreas, who sometimes looks a little soft in a battle- but he was up for it from the start.

McTom played well, seemed to be everywhere in midfield and made some good passes to switch play, or control possession. He and Maddisson had a good battle all game, could't help thinking we would look a different side with Maddisson playing at 10 in place of Mata.

Matic was calming in midfield, and was not caught out of position, but as usual he seemed plodding and slow to move the ball at times.

Mata didn't find much space between the lines and did little to affect the game.

James looked busy, was often an outlet ball. He played well and played a couple of crosses that deserved better from the players in the middle. He also came inside and looked dangerous. Later in the game he switch right wing in a reshuffle and we looked better down that side- although there was little ultimate end product from a few dangerous looking interchanges.

Rashford has a difficult game, he certainly occupied their CBs, has dropped towards the ball and received passes, being repeatedly fouled from behind - some given, some not. He failed to make strikers runs for a couple of James crosses. In general struggled to make much impact, except of course the key impact of winning the pen, and scoring it.

Wan and Young played as you would expect.

I thought Harry and Lindeloff played Vardy well. Leicester's most dangerous moment came from a Maddisson long ball over the top, which Lindeloff read well and dealt with - wondering why DDG decided not to take charge. They also had a snap shot that DDG saved well with his legs in first half.

Overall we lacked penetration, whist generally controlling the game. Leicester did gain back some control of possession but they could do very little with it. Have to be happy with the 3 points. After Liverpool and City there is a group of teams fighting for places. Can we score enough to top that group?


 

 

26 Aug 2019 17:56:26
Banter please eds. I see there has been intense discussions on the current predicament at United and the direction the club is going in. It seems there are 2 camps: the 1st is the idea that what we are seeing is utterly unacceptable and that Ole is woefully incapable of leading us. On the other end of the spectrum there is full blown support for Ole and that patience is needed. I like to think I am somewhere in the middle with a few other posters. I want to assess a few important points and hopefully give a reasoned and unbiased approach to the current situation.

I want to begin with Ole. Now he seems to be the hot topic currently (apart from pogba and the penalty) . There is the view his CV is poor and therefore he is not equipped to be handling such a big job. I think on the whole you have to agree with that view. He has not shown anything in the past to suggest he has the ability to bring us back to the top, nor the credentials to compete with the likes of Pep and Klopp. He would not have been my choice in all honesty and many of you know it would have been Poch but that's another debate for another time. The thing I do like about him is that he is United through and through. I know for some that is sentimental bolloxology (thank you betty), but for me there is a sense of pride that this is a man who wants nothing but the best for us. Perhaps he can instil some of those values and principles that are so important to the club and should not be forgotten. There is no guarantee of course, but that should count for something I believe.

We must accept that we have him at the helm and the lack of support by some is nauseating tbh. There is nothing wrong with constructively criticising, but to write him off before he has had a season or so to make an impact is quite frankly ridiculous. We all have a bias towards managers and we are guilty of affording time to some and not others. I was a Jose fan and I was far more lenient on him than say Moyes. But the point is we are having reactionary and dramatic responses every time we lose a game and the knives are out on Ole. There was none of this when we went on that long run at the beginning of his tenure. A little patience and understanding that things aren't fixed over night would be nice.

The second point is on the team itself and the style of play. A blind man can see that there has been some improvements from last season. We are moving the ball quicker and defensively we do look more secure, apart from two ridiculous mistakes against Palace. There is more energy and we do move the ball quicker at times. There are two glaring issues imo: the quality of the players and the consistency of our play. The first issue is something which is going to hamper us all season. There are far too many players in the first XI who are simply not good enough and until we upgrade, you will see the same awful performances like the one on saturday. This is not Ole's fault but an issue with the powers above and the structure of the club. The last 3 managers have been let down too. So instead of criticising the manager we should be directing it towards those who are in responsible. otherwise we will have another manager gone and back at square one. The one constant through the last 6 years has been woodward. Without a DOF in place and an agreed transfer strategy/ style of play, then we will be battling for 4th.

The consistency in our game has been poor for years, there is no denying that. We have completely departed from what made us so successful. The transitioning of the passing against Palace was painfully slow and it is no surprise our goal came from quick one touch football. But there has been improvements over these past 3 games. I know it is hard to see for some, but we looked decent at times against Wolves and passed the ball far better than last season. The main issue we must consider is CONTEXT. Unfortunately whether people like it or not, we are not the United of the Fergie era. We have not been for 6 years. Whether we like it or not, we must temper our expectations and accept our current reality. We are a top 6 side and so it is unreasonable to be expecting us to be playing like a Liverpool or a City. That does not mean I am unambitious by saying that. I believe this club should be at the top of English football and challenging for the biggest honour in Europe. But we are simply not there. It takes time to get back there and so we must be patient and temper those expectations.

Football comes in cycles. We have had unprecedented success that teams can only dream of. But we have also contributed to our demise. Slowly we are trying to get back to our perch. Ole is trying to bring back some of those core values that we used to abide by. is he the right man to win us trophies? I doubt it tbh but he could surprise us later on. But perhaps he is what we need now just to stabilise the ship. To bring through some talented youth and to try and bring back some attacking football. Perhaps he will only take us as far as he can till the end of the season, but until then we get behind the team and support the manager. We are entitled to constructively criticise both the players and the managers. But come match day we get behind whatever team takes the field and go for those 3 points. There are some very young but talented youngsters in this side that need time, patience and nurturing. Unfortunately they are unlikely to get this due to our incompetence in the transfer market. However, we as fans can give them that but not jumping on their backs after one game.

I respect everyone's opinion on this site. I cannot lie, some views rub me up the wrong way and I have to take a few days off because it all becomes too much. But i return because there is no better site out there to connect with other passionate united fans. We all want success and to be entertained on the weekend. But sometimes it takes time and patience to build a side. Klopp has taken 2/ 3 years and the patience has paid off. of course he came with far better credentials, but the point is he got time and support. I don't agree with everything Ole is doing, but I can appreciate there are some improvements. let's try and find some common ground and support the team because the general toxicity in the United fanbase currently is very extreme at the moment.

Park3lung

1.) 26 Aug 2019 18:35:07
Take a bow, Park.


2.) 26 Aug 2019 18:35:41
👏👏👏 Bravo Park, possibly the best post I have read on this site in over a year.

Perfectly balanced.

Well done.


3.) 26 Aug 2019 19:01:23
Good post park mate.


4.) 26 Aug 2019 19:05:51
Great post Park. The Chelsea game was ideal because they were wide open. The other two games not so much. We are working a lot better off the ball to win it back, but the passing is certainly not quicker. It's still sideways, 2 and 3 touches and pass to the nearest man. In the Wolves game and the Palace would we didn't create much at all. The majority of teams are going to sit back against us. If the forward lads get a good understanding then we should be easily beating teams that sit back, but bar Pogba we have no creative spark.

Wonderful first 10 games. Absolutely appalling last 10 games last season. Can the real OGS please stand up?


5.) 26 Aug 2019 20:08:48
Good post Park. I am on OGS side and i think we should give him time. No one could have predicted two missed penalties, Martial being dragged and Cahill had to be sent off. So, we could easily be sat here with 9 points out of 9.

OGS is not experienced and I'll be honest, i wanted Poch not OGS. But now we have OGS and he has already changed the shape of the team and is in the process of getting rid of some of the deadwood and trouble makers. 10 out of 10 for doing this.

Problem OGS and any other manager will have are the idiots in charge of the club. We all know that Pogba had to be moved on and three midfielders brought in to replace Pogba, Fellaini and Hererra. But the fact of the matter, is that our chief executive and the owners talk a good game but deliver very little. They still haven't appointed a DOF, they still have Woodward in charge when he's made some monumental mistakes (we've paid Sanchez £47m in wages so far) . So unless the Glazers get off their sorry asses and actually restructure the club, then I'm afraid that Ed002's summation of the chaotic way our club is run will continue and we will not be making any headway on the likes of City or Liverpool.
And unfortunately, OGS will pay due to their inadequacies.


6.) 26 Aug 2019 20:47:55
I'm okay with losing games, and we did play badly, but it was far better than some 1-0 wins under LVG.
Martial had some really excellent interplay.
We missed a pen.
There were definite positives.
What does not go well with me, is the fact that Lingard has 9 lives. He keeps performing poorly and keeps missing guilt edged goal scoring chances.
Pereira is not as good as lingard with his runs and positioning. But he's really good at the final third passes and really good at shooting.

Why is Angel Gomes not in the 18. He's a terrific dribbler when he gets going and a kind of player that can make a huge difference. It will be really disheartening to see a talent like that leave because he wasn't trusted with gametime.

Chong scored twice and yet he doesn't make the matchday.

Honestly posters, rank the players below: Greenwood, Gomes, Pereira, Mata, Lingard and Chong.

I would go like:
Greenwood, Gomes, Pereira, Mata, Lingard, Chong

But Ole is like:
Lingard, Greenwood, Mata, Pereira, Gomes, Chong

Which I believe is extremely unfair and wrong.

Gomes has been really good at preseason.

I hear Garner has been scoring for fun, why is he not on the bench?

We have a group of really talented academy players and yet Mata and Lingard keep starting over them. It appals me.

Look at the difference a few games has done for mctominay.

Angel Gomes, Greenwood, Mctominay and Pereira are good enough to be in the first 18.


7.) 26 Aug 2019 21:54:01
Top top post Park.


8.) 26 Aug 2019 22:34:08
Post of the year so far 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏.


9.) 26 Aug 2019 23:51:09
Thank you guys much appreciated. Mumbles I think until we get more quality in midfield, I think we will struggle to see that quick passing that is needed to break down sides. Unfortunately the whole league knows how to play against us. Sit back deep and impose a low block and let us have the ball because we could play for for 90 mins and cause no problems. Then they hit us on the break. You are right pogba is the only creative spark we have but he cannot do it alone. Imo he’s picking the ball up too deep and we are not making the most of his driving runs into the box and his link up play with martial, like the penalty against wolves.

AAA you are spot on about the problems above. We must restructure now before it’s too late. People mock arsenal but they have done that and they have put football men in the important positions. I’m not going to say we haven’t spent money because we’ve spent and absolute shed load. But it’s the way we’ve spent it is worrying and that’s due to poor strategy or lack of. Every manager has failed because of the issues with the powers above. And also every single one of our appointments have been wrong imo, even Jose. We departed straight from our philosophy.

Ole does need to sort a few things out. He needs to try something new at no 10 because lingard isn’t doing it for me. I know some are a fan, but whoever plays that position in the 4231 system has a huge responsibility in attack. We have two very good players in rashford and martial who need more service. Now he either shows some balls and plays Gomes or he pushes pogba there. And then brings in Fred or a left field choice, garner whose been simply sensational for the u23s with 4 goals and 3 assists in 4 games.


10.) 27 Aug 2019 01:18:35
Good post mate.


11.) 27 Aug 2019 05:30:16
Top class post Park. Perfect summarization of our current situation.

AAA, spot on regarding the woeful structure of the club.

Individual mistakes are pulling us down badly. Missed penalties and goalkeeping blunders.
Cut it out and we would have been 9 points out of 9.


12.) 27 Aug 2019 10:21:53
Great post park 👌👌.


 

 

23 Aug 2019 22:01:43
McGinn looks a player.

Park3lung

1.) 23 Aug 2019 22:33:48
Whatever he does in his time off the pitch with members of the opposite sex is his own personal business.

{Ed0666's Note - hey? what’s that got to do with McGinn of Villa?


2.) 23 Aug 2019 23:20:35
Dsg😂.


3.) 23 Aug 2019 23:32:21
Love it dsg 😂.


4.) 24 Aug 2019 10:01:12
We could do worse than sign him.


5.) 24 Aug 2019 13:00:47
No Mort, he s a player.


6.) 24 Aug 2019 05:56:51
Ed666 that one slipped right past you 😂😂😂.

{Ed0666's Note - yes it did lol


 

 

15 Aug 2019 12:19:31
Still on a high from Sunday. What an exciting and youthful team we have. I know it’s early days, but it is clear that there is some very good talent in the squad. We are a few players short, in midfield and on the right wing, but it’s nice to see a stronger defence than in previous years.

I just wanted to touch on something quickly. I see that there seems to be an issue with criticising shaw at the minute. There seems to be a a lack of distinction between constructive criticism or being called a toxic.

My view is that shaw is not good enough. The fact he was player of the year last year is irrelevant imo. The standard was shockingly low as we know. I think he needs to improve both in his positioning defensively as well as a his end product. I don’t see how it is an issue to state that he is a weak link or to point out his deficiencies as long as it’s done in a constructive manner. Of course if I was calling him derogatory names or calling him fat then I understand.

My point is some fans take the moral high ground with shaw but have no issues getting personal with Sanchez, matic or smalling/ Jones. We cannot pick and choose who gets preferential treatment and who does not.

In life there is always room for improvement. Even when you are on top, you cannot stay still. It’s so important to keep on moving to the next level. I was chuffed with the result on Sunday but I don’t think the performance as a whole was an amazing 4-0 performance. I feel like if you portray a negative view, you are automatically called toxic. I’m sorry if this is nonsense it’s just something that has come to my attention.

I’m very excited for Monday but also believe it is a much more difficult test than Chelsea. It will be interesting to see how we do when teams sit back and soak up pressure.

Park3lung

1.) 15 Aug 2019 12:54:51
Shaw is our new Pogba for this year.


2.) 15 Aug 2019 13:08:20
Singh,

What does that even mean? You read that post and decided to post that? Park explained why that isn't the case, it is a totally different situation to Pogba. Pogba has all the talent in the world but seems incapable of using it consistently. I am not sure Shaw has all that much talent.

We are ok at the moment and the back 4 looks good but to improve it the first port of call would be an upgrade on Shaw, people can say that without being shot down.

It is still not as pressing an issue as the midfield but if we are to start to challenge domestically and in Europe myself and many others it seems don't think Shaw is good enough to be our long term left back.

I hope he proves us wrong.


3.) 15 Aug 2019 13:11:14
The moment martial or linders have a bad game it will be back round to them .
So much to talk about in regards to sunday, but it always seems to be the negatives with some .
1 game into the season and people want to sell a player
Shaw imo and many others was our best player last season but hey he wasnt amazing against chelsea .


4.) 15 Aug 2019 13:27:11
GDS - It is nothing personal against Park or any other poster but i think Shaw will be our new Pogba this year as a player under scrutinty and under discussion for most of the year.

It is just the way it is in terms of of how fans how actually are.

Shaw may turn out to be very good or may flop but let's get behind the chap for now and see how he develops.

Like you said there are other pressing areas that needs attention before focusing on LB.


5.) 15 Aug 2019 13:39:09
Its ok to critisise a player.
For once i was on shaws side this time but its ok to be critical i don't see the issue. If someone has a bad game its ok to say so.
It was the same jred when ibra was here there were some who just wanted him out from the moment he arrived yet he was our best player that season in many people's opinions.
Get over what others write lads its just 1 of a 7bn populations opinion.
If it irks you either ignore it or make a counter debate.
Everybody on here has double standards. Jred you critisised ibra at every turn. You wanted our last 2 managers fired so your living in a glass house throwing stones. Just accept that not everyone thinks the same as you and the world should be thankful for that.
If we all thought the same it would be a little dull.


6.) 15 Aug 2019 14:00:24
My comments about Shaw are the same as the ones I made about him last season.

He wanders off when he should be marking his man. He ball watches and gets dragged out of position. At times you can see cutting in front of the CB leaving space behind him.

This isn't based on one game, it's based on his career so far.

He can be brilliant when he attacks. I'm nit disputing that. He is into his 7th season as a professional footballer. Basic defending should need working on.


7.) 15 Aug 2019 14:18:29
Mh you are welcome to that opinion😂.


8.) 15 Aug 2019 14:26:36
Ken
Ibra is a good player but was a short term solution and was never going to be anything other than that and that's how it turned out .
Last season was yet another 3rd season jose melt down it was obvious it was coming, no surprise all the signs where there .
As I always say only time will tell, let's see how things turn out with shaw many wanted him sold last summer and he ended up being our best player .
I actually like a back 5 of wan maguire lin shaw and DDG, so let's see how it turns out .
Truth is if you look at chances created chelsea got just as much joy down our right as they did our left . Wan was caught out of position several times yet from all accounts he was amazing.
Truth is you defend as a team, and as a team we where wide open all over the pitch for various reasons . Both full backs where isolated and doubled up on as where our 2 cm at times .
I also think we almost gave chelsea the wings, both full backs tucked in a lot possible confident that

chelsea are more dangerous cutting through the middle of you as opposed to scoring of crosses.
Like to play clever passes in and around the box as opposed to working it out wide and lobbing in balls for abraham, especially against Maguire.
Buy inviting chelsea to push on in to the spaces left it in turn left space for our attackers .

Imo a lot to talk about on sunday, once over it would of been a topic of discussion now it's just sell x buy y, on a game to game basis.

I'm not criticising that, people use the site for different reasons I'm just pointing it out .
Only time will tell but once shaw finds his form the same people will just move on to next, with very little explanation to back up there opinion .
Maybe I'm wrong, only time will tell.


9.) 15 Aug 2019 14:31:52
Well said Ken.


10.) 15 Aug 2019 14:45:24
Jred you know I’ve been a poster on this site for a very long time so you know what sort of poster I am. I always try to give a balanced view and always draw on both the positives and negatives. If anything, I’ve perhaps been too positive on my outlook. I’m any decent assessment, you have to take into account both sides of the story otherwise you are in danger of being blinkered by rose tinted glasses.

In previous posts, I have highlighted how well we did, but it’s foolish to get too excited over one game. We’ve been here before where we’ve gone on a run and we think we are back. It’s not that simple. I hope I’m proven wrong by shaw. Up until last season I was very high on him. I thought he’d be top draw and unfortunately I don’t believe that anymore for the reasons I have stated. I’m more than happy to be proven wrong and I want nothing more than to hold my hands up and admit I’m wrong. But I just cannot see it.

Unconsciously we all have our favourites or a certain view on a player which we cannot shake. And that’s what makes this site so brilliant. A cauldron of differing views makes this place all the more exciting. Yes some posters are more negative than others, but we should all be allowed to express our voice and opinion. Just because shaw was player of the year, does not mean he is exempt from criticism, nor does it mean he’s at the required level.


11.) 15 Aug 2019 14:58:43
Park
It means he had a good season last year even if as you say above, you think that's irrelevant, especially if like you say you want to give a balanced view and draw on both the positives and negatives.
I agree that people have a certain view of players that they just can't shake .

I try to look at it as a team sport as opposed to an individual I also think we are one game in to a season.
But a lot of of defensive issue where imo down to the team as opposed to individuals .
I think chelsea got behind both full backs for example but people seem to ignore that.


12.) 15 Aug 2019 15:11:43
I think Shaw isn't as bad as some think.

Recovering from an injury like he had, no matter how long ago it was, will have consequences for his thought processes and also his confidence.

He is by no means the best in that position, but players have off days, all players.

After one game this season, playing a different style is simply not enough to judge him on, especially as we have 2 new members of the defence.

Also, on Sunday, in the first half, Rashford was not helping in his defensive duties.

I will reserve judgement after a few more games and all players have become accustomed to the new style of play.


13.) 15 Aug 2019 15:23:00
Jred i understand your point of view and that you tend to look at things collectively instead of individually which is often a good and orudent way of analyising some situations. To counter that it may often be a mistake by an individual that makes the collective look bad.

My point is you like all other posters have your favourites and others that irk you more than most. So no different.
I agree its too early to judge anybody 1 game in. I have refrained from doing so. I saw no real negatives on sunday other than we started slowly.
All players start with a clean sheet.
In my book martial Pogba and shaw are 3 players in particular that can ill afford to drop their effort levels from last sunday and fall into the habits of last season where they just didn't try on several occasions.
Shaw was voted poy due to his massively increased contribution he needs to maintain that. He is prone to periods of indifference and poor fitness.
If all 3 try as they did on Sunday every week their talent should dictate that they do well.


14.) 15 Aug 2019 16:06:35
Ken
No one has said any different.
I think shaw is getting it this week it will be someone else next week .

First game of the season 4.0 win and main topic of convo is sell shaw .
Not really sure what your point is .
Lot to talk about imo but them days on the site seem to of gone .
I think people will move on to some one else next week prob linders pogba or martial . Maybe they wont.


15.) 15 Aug 2019 16:21:28
Jred i don't think the main topic of conversation on the site has been sell shaw since sunday. Its been on a few threads or the odd isolated post. In fact look back and tell me how many posters have said sell shaw since sunday.
Its a topic that irks you. So you are super sensitive about it.
Seriously check and see how many posters said sell shaw since sunday and then you will realise its less than 6 people. Hardly a landslide or main topic of conversation. That is shappy like hyberbole😂😂😂.


16.) 15 Aug 2019 16:29:30
Ken
No it doesn't irk me
read down the page shaw has been one of the main convos, infact the OP by park addresses the fact that shaw has been a previous issue on the site since the chelsea match.

Dont really know what your point is other than looking for an argument .
I think people will move on to someone else next week .
But like tris on the discussion page this convo is over imo.


17.) 15 Aug 2019 16:29:47
Was he really our best player last season? I'd have had Lindelof infront of him personally.

He needs to find consistency and iron out the little errors in his game. And keep an eye on his weight and fitness.

I don't think he will reach the heights originally predicted for him but he can become a mainstay of the defence for the next few years.


18.) 15 Aug 2019 17:14:45
Mort,

I would have had Lindelof ahead of Shaw aswell.

I've also said I wouldn't sell him. My judgement this been based on the time ar the club, not one game.


19.) 15 Aug 2019 20:47:40
He gives his all, he has never whined, he hasn’t sought to leave, despite being called out continually by Jose. He was one of the brightest English prospects and then he broke his leg really badly. I think we give the kid a break, he didn’t let us down last year and in some games really looked the part.

What I don’t understand is ‘we won 4-0 but’, I really don’t see why we can’t just enjoy the big win instead of having to find a player to criticise. I can’t remember who the poster was but a couple of years ago someone reviewed every game and irrespective of the result listed who he thought the worst player was. I called him out as I didn’t understand why we needed to find fault after a big win, it’s completely unnecessary. Did Shaw give away a penalty, did he get sent off, did he cause a goal to be scored? No, no, no. Baffling.


20.) 15 Aug 2019 21:51:22
Think its been done to death.

There's a difference between constructive criticism and trashing.

He's a player that needs a run of games to get into form. He's had a bad injury but he's recovered. He doesn't help himself with fitness.

I feel its a make or break season for him. He knuckles down and improves what's been raised as constructive criticism he can be an asset. Also saves us money which can go on the big midfield rebuild.


21.) 16 Aug 2019 00:28:21
Not based on one game, but personally I've said for a long time that his positioning is suspect. And if he hasn't learned that after 7 yrs, then i doubt he'll improve now. He's no longer a kid.
Lvg, Mourinho and hodgson all didn't rate him and were critical of him. And he is not in the top 3 England left backs.
He is ok for now as midfield is the priority, but we need to look at competition for him next season.


22.) 16 Aug 2019 05:50:16
Shaw will progress as the season continues.
Last year was the first time he got consistent run of games in A United shirt.


23.) 16 Aug 2019 07:18:52
TRD,

Let’s hope so, I think everybody wants that from him. Not sure anybody is really saying we should sell Shaw, I’d be happy to have him in the first team squad fighting it out with someone who is better or has the potential to be better than him. At the moment he is our only left footed left back and he has had issues throughout his career with his weight and also with a clear lack of positioning defensively.

As I said earlier it’s not a priority as we have other positions with glaring holes but I think there is a place for a top left back that can fight it out for a place with Shaw and either replace him as first choice or push Shaw to be better. This isn’t based on one game and I’m always positive about things, it’s just quite an obvious point to make.


24.) 16 Aug 2019 16:34:27
Tierney would have been ideal, and i still think Danny Rose is more aware and athletic than Shaw.


 

 

11 Aug 2019 18:43:48
Wow. Phenomenal victory and not what I was expecting. I thought we would win but to do it like that. Amazing.

First half we were very sloppy. There was no tempo or intensity to our game and we couldn’t keep hold of the ball. But having the strong defence helped us in a situation where we would have conceded last year.

Maguire and wan Bissaka were phenomenal. It cannot be underestimated what a solid defence can do for the confidence of a team. Both De Gea looks more solid and so does the rest of the team knowing that they have Maguire and lindelof behind. I am so excited to see how these two build a partnership because I think they compliment each other so well.

I thought we were poor in midfield and it will cause us problems as the season goes on. Pogba loses the ball far too often in dangerous areas and looks half arsed. Then he goes and does two sublime assists. He’s so talented but yet so infuriating! We missed a trick not investing in a midfielder but we must get on with it.

Buzzing for martial and rashford getting on the score sheet. It will do wonders for their confidence. I thought martial look far more lively and rashford too. I hope they continue to develop and improve because we need them both hitting 15/ 20+ this season.

Oh Danny james. That reaction to his goal was so pure. It’s amazing to see how much it means to play and score for this club. That’s how I want all our players and signings to feel. Playing for united is a privilege not a burden.

One quick negative. Shaw is simply not good enough. Looks overweight and he’s the weak link in defence. I’d look at Dalot for that position.

Early days still. Not perfect but fantastic start. Long may it continue.

Park3lung

{Ed025's Note - good summary that park mate..


1.) 11 Aug 2019 18:57:10
Good summary park.


2.) 11 Aug 2019 19:04:29
Perfect Summary Park.


3.) 11 Aug 2019 19:06:35
Good summary park. It was a promising performance though and hopefully we get better as the season goes on.


4.) 11 Aug 2019 19:08:30
Not sure pogba did look half arsed today, not everything he tried came of but he put a shift in .
Maguire looked class .
Bissaka looks a very good player, Chelsea got in behind him a couple of times but he has a good game today .
Shaw is a better player than dalot and will start the next game .
Energy, workrate and tempo excellent today.


5.) 11 Aug 2019 19:13:54
Thought we grew into the game . Mcguire and Wan Bissaka excellent. Over the moon for Daniel James. Stretford end was rocking today. Chelsea support was woeful.


6.) 11 Aug 2019 19:22:22
Shaws position al awareness is very poor.


7.) 11 Aug 2019 19:30:55
Agree on Pogba jred. To see the rainbow you got to put up with the rain sometimes. I think we have to accept he will lose the ball someone's in bad areas but he killed them off with 2 assists. I thought he worked hard off the ball today.

Shaw did nothing to wrong today imo. He was left isolated 2v1 a couple if times made him look worse than he was. definitely keeps his place and will do for foreseeable future. They have to build on that back 4.

Jessie better than pierira in the more central role. Imo

James will do that all season in games you can't defend against that pace. If he learns quickly we have a beaut.

Maguire and lidelof super. Great to hear ole talking about his leadership qualities. Right man in the right place at the right time. He has an opportunity to lead this club out of the doldrums over the next couple of seasons.

Big game next monday. Momentum is everything at this stage of the season. A different challenge in a very tough atmosphere. Really looking forward to it.


8.) 11 Aug 2019 19:31:15
Shaw had zero cover in the first half. I think you are being harsh on him. He looked committed and put in a great shift.


9.) 11 Aug 2019 19:39:38
I think the thing about pogba is you have to take the good with the bad unfortunately. No doubting his ability and he can change a game in a second. But he can be so frustrating. He’s still our most creative and talented midfielder though. Great performance though.


10.) 11 Aug 2019 19:43:07
Maguire will get the plaudits, deservedly so on his debut, but I thought Lindelof was immense today.


11.) 11 Aug 2019 19:45:14
We’ve just beaten Chelsea 4 nil and people are finding fault. After a sloppy start from most of the team everyone put a shift in. And as for Shaw, he was our player of the year last year.


12.) 11 Aug 2019 19:48:36
Pogba lost the ball yes, but Lingard and Rashford did too. Why is he always singled out?


13.) 11 Aug 2019 19:54:42
99
Yer definitely lindelof was also very good.


14.) 11 Aug 2019 19:58:37
Very good summary Park.

Was indeed a very and surprise win.


15.) 11 Aug 2019 20:52:48
Tony it’s not about finding faults. It’s about giving a fair assessment of the positives and negatives. Going towards one side of the spectrum distorts the truth. It was a fantastic result and some brilliant performances. But it is only one game and we must keep our feet on the ground. Hence why I picked out shaw who I personally don’t feel is quite up to it. Just my humble opinion of course.


16.) 11 Aug 2019 21:03:38
Agree park.


17.) 11 Aug 2019 21:44:40
After the doom and gloom on here what an enjoyable game major signs of the direction ole is trying to take the club . I like the direction it's a breath of fresh .  
Not a perfect performance but good tempo, workrate excellent and after everything that has been written what a performance from maguire, not to mention pogba and both martial and rash on the score sheet.  

Brave decision for rash (or whoever) not to always track back but if the ball breaks down the counter will be on . Leaves the left back open .
I also don't think we where poor in midfield, game was very open today bit like the norwich v scouse . In both games defense starting right from the GK line really opens the game up and creates a lot of space .

Could see a lot of this this season, be interesting to see how teams adapt but it makes for a very entertaining game . A days of a pack cm area coming to an end and end to end football each week .


 

 

 

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08 Aug 2019 01:17:53
Of course I wouldn’t Scott but that’s not the point. Yes we need a rw but why are we desperately signing someone for an extortionate fee whose goal record is poor in what seems to be a panic buy? If we are really willing to go spend 80m then go buy zaha whose premier league proven instead of someone who young have no idea how he will perform. We’ve got enough players who are up and down like the wind. Personally that money should be spent on a midfielder and then Sancho should be priority next summer.

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07 Aug 2019 22:44:08
Not worth the fee at all.

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04 Aug 2019 23:51:50
Wouldn’t be surprised if it was a media briefing. Still time to go. Let’s see what happens. I’m not panicking yet.

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02 Aug 2019 23:01:41
Calcioland podcast marathon. Honestly it’s fantastic. Always reasoned views and they get some great guests on. It’s mainly about Serie A but during the transfer window they discuss transfers. He is usually very spot on and doesn’t put out rubbish like other outlets. Definitely give it a listen! It’s really enhanced my interest in Italian football which I believe is such an interesting environment both culturally and football.

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02 Aug 2019 20:53:17
Marathon - he writes for Di marzio. His podcast is brilliant, and it focuses mainly on Italian football. He’s not someone who writes something for of it. I would say he’s about as reliable as they get, apart from Ed002 of course. I would expect us to wrap up both dybala and Bruno. Again that’s my opinion, but the signs are strong imo. Crazy week ahead!

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31 Aug 2019 16:04:39
Some serious problems ahead. I thought james was fantastic and the only positive. I’m very concerned.

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28 Aug 2019 18:00:36
He must get top 4 mumbles or win the Europa imo. Either way we must be back in the champions league next season to attract the Calibre of players needed.

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28 Aug 2019 13:21:49
I’m with you Tony. Can’t wait till the weekend so we can focus on winning again.

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28 Aug 2019 10:13:52
Sanchez hasn’t exactly worked out but I don’t understand the logic of getting rid of him when we are already thin with attacking options. With martial most likely out this weekend it does leave us light. Unless we will be seeing more of Greenwood, Chong and Gomes. Let’s see.

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27 Aug 2019 20:07:20
That’s fair enough Ed my apologies. At the end of the day I think we all must try and argue and debate in a mature manner instead of being personal. So I agree. Have a nice week ed.

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{Ed047's Note - absolutely no need to apologise Park and you too mate.