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01 May 2017 09:31:34
I read this morning that Romero has bought a house in Milan. Obviously no idea if that is true or whether he is leaving but strange place to buy if you play in Manchester.

Red Man

1.) 01 May 2017 13:41:07
Holiday home/ investment property? Doubt he's short of a few quid.

2.) 01 May 2017 18:25:03
Linked with inter.

3.) 02 May 2017 08:23:11
Get the lad from Milan and send them a ready made replacement?



01 Apr 2017 12:59:16
Today I understand another young reserve (he is 20) has been added to the match day squad, Matthew Willock, in addition to Tuanzebe and TFM. This is down to injuries but also because we have released the older "blockers" in the squad. I hope all three get some time and show what they can do. Like Rashford last season, until they step onto the biggest stage in key matches (the pressure to win is now on), we won't know how they handle it.

Personally I have seen many youngsters debut at OT and there is a buzz of excitement when they step out. Good luck to Willock if he gets on and it will do wonders for the youth/ reserve set up to see progress. I hope young Gomes gets some time soon and possibly Gribben if they continue progress and are physically able.

Funny but today may need Fellaini especially against a West Brom team who can and like to score from dead balls.

Red Man

1.) 01 Apr 2017 17:53:35
Another draw at home, top four just seems out of reach at the moment, Its the old Man Utd way, when teams above us drop points so do we. But the most frustrating thing for me is Micki taken off again and martial and lingard left on.
Hope Jose has a plan for next season regarding strikers, it's plain to see if Zlatan don't score, nor does anyone else. Looks like another season of frustration and missed chances.



25 Oct 2014 06:38:03
Interesting That the Valdes rumour had been around a while.

13 Aug 2014
Despite being injured I did read a while ago that we had interest in Victor Valdes as competition for De Gea, following Valdes injury lay off but not heard much in a while. Not sure whether Valdes has found a club as yet. I also read that De Gea's girlfriend was encouraging him to move back to Spain and whilst there has been no suggestion he would, a good number 2 could be important

Red Man



27 Sep 2014 07:28:35
Most interesting if true.

it appears Tony Strudwick, the first team fitness coach since 2007, has been moved from his usual role to a job looking after the physical development of the club's younger players. It Looks like Lvg has now put someone he trusts and has known a long time, Jos van Dijk in the role.

Red Man

1.) Forgive me Red Man, but why is this most interesting if true?

2.) Quite interesting . let's see if it has any impact.

3.) KingGiggsy

Many have been frustrated and annoyed by the number of injuries picked up particularly in training. LvG has been here a few weeks and potentially identified an issue and possibly one of the causes. LvG resolved the injuries sustained by Robben and is now looking at our injury prone regulars. If this works and is true the reason why it is interesting becomes clearer.

4.) Thanks for sharing Redman, let's hope this helps inmprove our injury record.



12 Feb 2014 04:30:51
It appears Vidal has signed a new Juventus contract until 2018

Red Man

1.) Used again to get a better deal, I hope dm wasn't banking on Vidal coming

2.) Only a highly unreliable English newspaper seems to be reporting this and the others have piggy backed on the story.

There is absolutely nothing in Italy or any official announcement from Juve.

Although the Editor did say that Juve would be unlikely to sell or the player wanting the move so a new deal wouldn't surprise me.

3.) Eric is god, Vidal never once said he's interested in move to us or anything like that so how could he use us to get a better deal?

There was genuine interest from us, the media hyped it up as per usual.




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14 Jan 2018 17:10:39
For what it is worth, I have just been reading that one of Sanchez Chile team mates said in 2010 (while Sanchez was still playing in Italy) that Sanchez's dream was to play for Manchester United.

Red Man

1.) 14 Jan 2018 17:14:52
Red man,

I don’t believe that, it’s all about the money, we offer nothing else 😂.

2.) 14 Jan 2018 17:32:07
True I read an article from his Udinese days saying he wanted to play at Old Trafford some day.

3.) 14 Jan 2018 17:32:23
Yeh I remember seeing when he was at Udinese he always admired united.

4.) 14 Jan 2018 17:30:48
I might stand corrected but if Sanchez didn't want to move to us, I'm sure that United wouldn't bid. Don't clubs usually sound out whether or not a player wants to go to the club first?

GDS it's certainly being framed that way in the papers.

5.) 14 Jan 2018 17:28:56
apart from (by the table standings) being the 2nd best in the country.

6.) 14 Jan 2018 17:39:07
I remember that to then both us and Barcelona tried to sign him and you'll never guess where he ended up?

I take all this who they support with a pinch of salt unless they grew up in Salford then they probably support someone else. They definitely do if they grew up halfway around the world. They might have a soft spot for United, but not real fans.

7.) 14 Jan 2018 18:28:25
As Jessie j says. it's all about the money.

8.) 14 Jan 2018 20:03:02
According to the head of transfers at the time at udinese, only 2 clubs wanted to take Sanchez then and neither of those were United so you're wrong there shaps.



13 Jan 2018 16:49:21
About 12 months ago I posted about Tahith Chong, sadly he sustained a bad injury. I understand he has now returned and some reports are saying they can see he has developed. He is at a key age when a young player can stand still or take a step. Keep an eye out for him.

Red Man

1.) 13 Jan 2018 17:00:18
I also think Angel Gomes and TFM are at the same stage and has just as much potential as the others.

2.) 13 Jan 2018 17:16:15
I am very excited to see how Chong developers as a footballer. He has power and pace aligned to excellent technical skills. The lad is tall and once he fills out he will be of drogba proportions. I really really hope he fulfills his potential because if he does we will have an excellent player.

3.) 13 Jan 2018 18:24:23
Isn't there also some espanyol kid we brought in he i read was very highly rated in spain.

4.) 13 Jan 2018 18:45:44
Yeh CSM his name is puigmal. Looks a player. We have some very good youngsters coming through. Need to show there is a chance of playing of making it here otherwise you will have a situation like Chelsea where youngsters have no chance. Having rashford, mctominay and Lingard is great to see.

5.) 13 Jan 2018 18:53:44
The Ed said a few weeks ago that we have upped our game on the youth side, not just trying to make a profit on it. Separate to the Ed I have heard there have been some good appointments.

Puigmal is very highly rated, I posted an article on here about him a while ago and we seem to be strongly recruiting, another lad from Coventry was also signed this week. One small point is that I hope they are putting the same into local Manchester lads. Gomes interests us all and we all have high hopes. The next Ronaldo is likely out there, let’s hope we can find him.

6.) 13 Jan 2018 18:56:57
Nice to hear we have a plan.

7.) 13 Jan 2018 19:28:56
i can't recall whether any lads were recruited from Huddersfield academy. if so who were they and how are they doing?

8.) 13 Jan 2018 21:12:03
Pleased for Chong. the injury was reported as quite serious at the time.

9.) 13 Jan 2018 21:32:52

Sad that you have no idea about what planning means and have the small mentality of wanting to try to score cheap points.


Reports seem to indicate Chong has developed physically as well, has pace and power. No guarantee of success but I always like to see them make as much as possible out of their careers, even if it isn’t with us. There are an awful lot of our graduates out there.

10.) 13 Jan 2018 21:43:12
I have a plan.

11.) 14 Jan 2018 10:39:37
Ching scored 2 for the reserves the other day and puigmal recently signed his first senior contract. Everything seems to be moving in the right directionvunder Butty.



09 Jan 2018 19:29:55
Fascinating article today, in Manchester's daily, on our club's transfer ambitions. City are being relentless, what they need they go and get.

City go after Sanchez, however on the red side, Özil has been informed his best chance of coming to Utd is to run his contract down (no promises we will buy him mind you) but we are unwilling to pay anything for him this month.

Apparently Jose wanted, wants a winger and a midfield player this month. He believes Malcolm is a gem, yet the two club's after him don't include us. We need to start being aggressive and relentless, is the conclusion, basically what some of us say on here, otherwise we won't catch up.

However, how on earth will we ever retain our top spot in the asset value league if we spend much, especially in January?

Maybe we can cheer ourselves up by laughing at City offering free tickets to local schools for tonight's game because they can't sell them. Well we laughed at their football team for years but we don't now.

Red Man

1.) 09 Jan 2018 20:01:54
Maybe we could put our dummies back in and stop sulking because United like most other teams haven't spent 1 billion in the first week of the January transfer markets .

Have a listen to the sharkpod as well.

2.) 09 Jan 2018 20:33:30
Come on Red Man United have out spent most clubs and gone out to buy the best players in the league for decades. The team is solid and yes of course fans would like to see an Ozil or a Sanchez join but the squad at the moment is one of the best in the world.

As jred states above chuck that dummy back in your hole and look at the real problems. The real problem is their is too many talented managers in the top end of the PL with finances to boot that Jose cannot buy the league no matter what players he has at his disposal as his style stinks of negativity.

3.) 09 Jan 2018 20:37:19

Let’s see how committed our owners are, let’s see if they surprise us. I hope I am wrong and they really deliver. Interesting that defenders of the owners seem to work harder at this time of year.

4.) 09 Jan 2018 20:51:02

Interesting to see you out of the woodwork in the transfer window.

Our Squad is big and decent, however, the quality in the first team is lacking. The problem is years of inaction in transfer windows and recently trying to play catch up, if we don’t buy well, then we need to get used to watching others win the big prizes.

5.) 09 Jan 2018 21:00:59
Red Man hasn’t all the City players who have been on top form this season and Chelsea players who win the title last season who have performed to the best level transfers from the past 2 seasons or so?

6.) 09 Jan 2018 21:31:02
Good posts red man. Fair points in there. Others moaning (as per usual)

7.) 09 Jan 2018 21:41:09
Let's support the team .
It's becoming very obvious you will only be happy when we spend more than every team in the world not just 99%
It's all about spend spend spend

That God you don't support a team like stoke, Leeds or accrington stanley.

8.) 09 Jan 2018 22:10:00

I supported United when we bought Ted McDougal from Bournemouth so don’t be so patronising

Obviously you are happy with second best as long as we don’t spend the money the club has earned, maybe you have reasons for that. However my ambition is to have the best team not the best asset value,

9.) 09 Jan 2018 22:21:53
Yer but I bet you moaned like hell about it .

Maybe I'm just not a spoilt fan?

10.) 09 Jan 2018 22:40:06

If I did it would have been justified given what happened shortly after. I recall being told then by older United fans and it was reported that the board had refused to buy the top players requested by the manager, blinded by the idea all would be well and another set of babes would save us without having to spend. I was spoilt then, spoilt with relegation. I think you are the spoilt one who doesn’t appreciate the position we built in the SAF years and frittered, you continue defending the reticence to spend for some unknown reason. We didn’t learn from the Busby transition nor from the reticence to spend to keep a position of power. At least now we have done enough to compete around the top.
With that goodnight I have the usual early start tomorrow.

11.) 09 Jan 2018 22:45:44
No I support my team win lose and draw and appriciate the fact that my team are able and in a position to win titles and buy great players. Not all of them costing millions .

Can't win everything every year but overall it's been a great journey supporting United.

It's not about titles and million dollar players for me .

12.) 10 Jan 2018 00:03:14
Stop up voting your own posts jred, it’s too obvious.

13.) 10 Jan 2018 00:56:52
Great post redman. Hard to argue with you.

14.) 10 Jan 2018 01:10:29
Lol fzz.

15.) 10 Jan 2018 06:33:40
Redman is this woodwork you speak of the same woodwork you hit your head against while spouting the same old drivel. Open your eyes this is 2018 not 2013.

16.) 10 Jan 2018 09:01:08
Lol that must be it.

17.) 10 Jan 2018 09:09:59
Why bother paying for Ozil now for us to finish top 4 when he can come for nothing in 5 months and start the season afresh where he is not cup tied. Perhaps Jose doesn’t even want him! Perhaps Ozil wants to play elsewhere?

Unless we sell Miki this month a move for him makes no sense at all.

18.) 10 Jan 2018 09:13:37
Gds? Wrong post.

19.) 10 Jan 2018 15:05:39
Should of been fzz.



31 Dec 2017 07:39:49
Can I recommend reading an article by Oliver Holt this morning.

Red Man

1.) 31 Dec 2017 08:30:32
There was one by Andy mitten before the last match that is really worth a read too red.

2.) 31 Dec 2017 08:35:41
Great article red man. He is not too far off with that. Shame he writes for the scum that is daily fail.

3.) 31 Dec 2017 09:11:30
Read it too, Woodward should stay on the commercial side for sure, but JM will always seek out conflict its what he does.

{Ed025's Note - and its become boring all this "poor me" attitude he has BFB, he needs to grow a set and stop blaming everyone else mate..

4.) 31 Dec 2017 09:29:07
Getting beat of Chelsea or man city is one thing but to be struggling against Southampton Bristol etc is another .
Southampton had there main striker out and there best 2 defenders, pogba cost the same as half there team and monthly wage bill would buy Bristol.

5.) 31 Dec 2017 09:43:58
Forget competing with Chelsea city Barcelona Munich for a minute, we are struggling against Leicester Burnley Southampton Bristol .

6.) 31 Dec 2017 09:47:06
I agree jerd. But crap happens in football, not the first time a lower league team has beaten us and won't be the last. Happens all the time in football regardless of who or what a team is worth in wage or transfers. On any given day anything can happen. I've seen a lot of this about bristol and I think it's massively disrespectful to a team that is playing well, doing it's utmost and had a fantastic day against one of the biggest teams in the world. History tells us results like that happen all the time.

But all in all, I'm not happy with this slump, for me it has to turn around or lots of heads will roll from top to bottom.

7.) 31 Dec 2017 10:00:11
It does happen and all teams go through a slump, they normally don't blame the board, quality of there squad etc etc when they are struggling against so called lesser teams operating on a fraction of there budget .

8.) 31 Dec 2017 10:13:01

The board and investment is a long term underlying problem that affects the future of the club and you seem to struggle to grasp it. Your point is at a lower level and keeping it simple. However, the powerhouses of European football make sure they have the best players available and buy in a position of strength. We let our position of strength wane because of years of underinvestment leading to us having a sub standard team for a European giant, or supposedly a giant.

These giants all have poor runs but underlying it is a plan, a structure that ensures it won’t be for long. That is what we have lacked and the board have that accountability.

9.) 31 Dec 2017 10:23:59
I agree that we haven't played well recently but why do teams seem to also try harder and play better against us if Southampton played like that every game they would be nowhere near the relegation zone.

{Ed025's Note - united made them look good 79, they are not a good side but put them up against an uninspired team who is littered with players who think the world owes them a living and any team will look good, it was more a case of united being poor than them looking good mate..

10.) 31 Dec 2017 10:28:20

Thanks I also read the Andy Mitten piece I think yesterday. There is a bigger picture that is starting to be seen and I for one am glad.

11.) 31 Dec 2017 11:12:36
It's smoke and mirrors pal that has been rolled out the moment the manager has hit a ruff patch .

Let's get everyone to look at what's happening off the pitch, so they don't talk about what happening on the pitch

You keep going on about underinvestment that was 5 6 years ago .
We have spent over 600 mil in the last 4 transfer windows. And you go on about " years of underinvestment "

Football is simple really.
The manager and players should be concerned with the now and why this very expensive very well paid group of players are or on this current run Man United v Bournemouth. 1.0 
West Brom v man United. 1.2 
Bristol city v man United. 2.1 
Leicester v man United . 2.2
Man United v Burnley. 2.2 
Southampton v United. 0.0

Never mind city barce or co we have spent enough to have squad to be better than our current form .
What the club needs to do to be the best in Europe or best in the EPL is one thing .

What the manager could do to get the best out of this squad is another

In fact forget money, and the bigger issues (because that's a different discussion) and ask some very basic questions.
Is this team playing well? No
Are most of our players playing well? No
Is our style of play attractive to watch? No
Are we winning games? No
Are we a better team now than at the start of the season? No
Are our players improving during the season? On the most part no
Do we look to be going forward or backwards over the course of the season?

Has the manager currently got his team motivated, and playing well to the best of its ability? No
His players playing to there potential? No . Not just the so called lesser players but the big name big investment players like pogba and lukaku? Nope.

{Ed025's Note - i cant argue with that jred..

12.) 31 Dec 2017 11:49:51
Red Man - I asked the same question the other day and wasn't surprised not to see many replies. How much do you think we should let José spend, £300m, not enough? £600m and if he wants more do we spend £1bn. At what point do we judge the manager and stop blaming lack of investment.
Yes we have underspent but let's look at Jose's signings:
Bailley - he has missed nigh on 50% of games this season, is he or when does he become injury prone. Doesn't matter how good he is if he doesn't play then he is no good to us. When fit he looks a quality player.
Lindelof - too early to judge
Pogba - for my liking he doesn't influence the game enough, especially the big games. Is he being played out of position?
Miki - least said the better, it hasn't worked out for him or us, so wish him well and move him on.
Ibra - not sure why we signed him this season expensive wages and a squad place taken up.
Lukaku - seems to be living up to his flat track bully reputation, not seen in the big games, personally I think the tactics have influenced these performances.
Magic - looked a great signing in the first few games but as the season has gone on his influence deteriorates almost weekly. Again I think tactics are a major factor with how he performs.
So all in all for me even spending £300m José isn't getting the best out of his signings so how much do you want us to give him to spend before we judge his management.

13.) 31 Dec 2017 12:02:45

I have been pointing the higher level issues out for a long time on here so it isn’t just because we are having a poor patch. It is very relevant because our manager was very very clear at the start of the season that he was looking for another wide attacking player and the board did not deliver it. As we approach another window the manager, the very experienced manager, has flagged about our need to spend. Spending has been limited under the Glazers, you say it was 5-6 years ago, which flags a lack of understanding. It goes back to when the owners bought us and had to rely on borrowing to finance it, then put the debt on the club, we have not been strong in the market all through their time. Feels like I have to repeat myself, but Ronaldo was replaced, how? He had just won the Ballon Dor and won four more whilst his replacement now plays right back and can’t cross a ball. The owners failed us for years and relied of SAF

The board lacked a plan, so appointed two wrong managers, lacked a direction in how they wanted football played so wasted money on transfers of players who don’t fit. It is all relevant but you say football is simple, simple on the pitch perhaps but it seems the bigger issues escape you. Football is corporate now, but planning is vital even in small business, yet you dismiss it, want to keep it to the simplest level. That is fine but fans ignoring or perhaps not understanding the bigger picture is part of the reason we have the situation we have, both on and off the pitch. If you can’t see it then perhaps replying is a waste of time.

14.) 31 Dec 2017 12:25:34
Can't argue with that Keanoh. I must have been the only person who didn't want Matic. He always looks slow and cumbersome. And now we have pogba who is just strolling around.
This team needs a big kick up the Arse. And I'm not sure mourinho is the person to do it.

15.) 31 Dec 2017 12:34:22

The answer to your question could be long but given my wife is waiting for me to take her out, I will try to be brief.

I would hope and expect Jose has provided his thoughts to the board, a SWOT type analysis around the team, identifying what he needs and why. He clearly identified a wide attacker in summer and the board failed him. Most of us have identified a general lack of true world class talent, so that player would likely need to be top end. Depending what he identified, but I would suggest it needs to not be squad fillers. The board need to look at what he recommends and decide whether they agree, if they do and trust him (after all that’s why they appointed him), pay the money. If they don’t he will likely go, either forced or walk. If he gets the players as he identified then he needs time to bed them in, if then it isn’t working his time would be up. That is when we judge him for me. I have provided such things to boards in my roles, you hope they support you especially if it is put together thoroughly, but a board would also know that if they don’t follow the recommendations and it is that lacking piece is the item that fails a process or makes the team less effective then they have partial accountability for the failure.

As to his signings, Pogba is better in a central 3 in midfield enabling him to get forward and create, maybe that is why we have been linked with that Serbian midfield player, again depends what Jose has identified. Miki is the main disappointment for me.

In summary the board need to decide is Jose right in his assessment, if he is, provide the players, then judge him.



27 Dec 2017 21:56:55
It seems some are up in arms at Mourinho saying he needs to spend more, the ABU's, the media who don't like him, some Utd fans and some with an agenda.

However, one angle people have missed is to compare the approach to this from SAF and Jose. For years we expressed utter frustration when SAF said there was no value in the market, whilst allowing top players to be bought by others. Ronaldo was sold and the money received meant we didn't make a financial loss, we accepted replacing him with what is now a decent full back who isn't a great crosser of a ball.

For years I and a few others have flagged what has been happening with the owners and it hasn't hit home hard enough to people, the previous managers did not rock the boat.

However, yesterday, it changed. Yesterday Mourinho effectively took the stand that I believe SAF should have done years ago, he put himself out on a limb and challenged the owners to put the real money needed on the line to make a difference, to show ambition to be No1, SAF dodged doing that, Mourinho has put himself on the line to bring that out, the owners have hidden behind spending limits for years and now they either have to back Mourinho to the hilt or I think he goes. They could sack him for lining them up like this and get a Wenger type Manager in, achieving top 4 and the money pot but not being top dogs. Yet now the cat is out of the bag and I hope it again flags the owners situation forcing them to finally go for it, really take the next step and show true ambition.

We should be thanking Jose for this and wearing green and gold if the Glazers fail him. I actually applaud Mourinho for this because it should have been brought to a head years ago.

Red Man

1.) 27 Dec 2017 22:09:33
We’ve spent millions. We’ve just bought crap rather than quality over the years. Ps you can’t replace Ronaldo. He’s irreplaceable but wanted to leave.

2.) 27 Dec 2017 22:20:36
Well said Red Man!

Having said that they have spent heavily to get us back into the top 4 caused by their own incompetence in not appointing the right man to succeed Fergi and then not backing him in the transfer market!

Have we all forgotten the Fellaini deadline day debacle or Woodward rushing back from the Far East on urgent transfer busness not to mention the Spanish imposters in Bilbao cause I haven't!

The question like you've quite rightly asked is do we want to be No 1. Jose won't settle for anything less!

City have raised the bar, L'pool have just spent a kings ransom on a very good CB, we might have to spend again just to stay in the top 4 never mind topple City.

3.) 27 Dec 2017 22:28:30
Jose can maybe raise his head up above the parapet, because unlike Fergie, he doesn't plan on being here long enough to build anything of note. Looks to me like he's doing his usual of getting in his excuses first, and laying the groundwork for his departure to more favourable climes.

4.) 27 Dec 2017 22:46:01
I said it earlier but if you’ve spent £648 million since Fergie left and City have spent £637 million how have they not come up with the money. UFB!

5.) 27 Dec 2017 22:56:17
Jose appears to me to be trying to break the shackles imposed on the football club.

A few weeks ago the word was that the club would not make any additions in January, then that Jose may have to sell before he could buy. The Glazers strategy is now out there for all who are willing to see it. It is watershed time, a moment building for years that may just be coming to a head. I read that the club may fancy Ozil, a lovely free transfer well liked on social media so may be commercially attractive, yet is it really who Jose wants?

Right now Jose is the best chance United fans have of breaking the Glazer shackles on spending. All the Green and Gold would be wasted if we allow the Glazers to move Jose on for having the temerity to put them under pressure to deliver. The focus has now gone onto them rather than the managers. Moyes and LvG would not challenge them but now Jose has. I supported Jose before because he deserves time but in this he has my total support and if you want a club that will challenge, Jose must get our support for this.

6.) 27 Dec 2017 22:57:30
I don't think we will see a statue of jose outside old Trafford or a stand named after him, a stopgap manager to plug a hole is what we have here, his ways are out of date,
I thought Jose should have been bought in when fergie retired.
Let's call a spade a spade.90% of the time he looks defeated.

7.) 27 Dec 2017 22:58:06

Because the lack of spending goes back further back in tome than when SAF retired.

8.) 27 Dec 2017 23:07:07
Absolute crap redman. Jose is underperforming. He doesn't give a toss about man utd and is failing to deliver as a manager. Sean Dyche has Burnley in 7th position in the Premier league. Now that's what's called management.

9.) 27 Dec 2017 23:11:32
The reality is though Red Man shouldn’t that figure on its own in that time span have been enough to have built a far more impressive team than you have now. It surely says more against Mourinho than it does the Glazers.

Whether they didn’t put up the cash pre Fergie’s retirement that figure is a massive amount of cash to have spent since.

The likes of us Liverpool and Spurs can only dream of spending that much, hell even Wenger may have won something worthwhile with that cash.

10.) 27 Dec 2017 23:19:08
But mancman

Ranieri won yhe league and was then sacked the following season. One season doesn't make a good manager.

11.) 27 Dec 2017 23:26:02
I totally agree Red Man the lack of investment dates back years! They didn't have to invest much back then because they had Fergi pulling rabbits out of hats! I remember he had to fight for RVP because he was the wrong side of 25!

They've had to invest heavily as the Club is not financially attractive unless we're eating from the top table in the Champs League. The money they invest is money generated by the Club anyway none of it has come from their own pockets!

I'm totally with you on this Red Man.

I fear that if Jose can't sort us out then who can?

Give him what he wants and let him do his job. He's not even asking for an Mbappe or Neymar I think he's been relatively realistic with his targets! The way things have gone £50m for Perisic looks reasonable now!

12.) 27 Dec 2017 23:50:37
Do we want to be Champions again or not?!

13.) 27 Dec 2017 23:51:20
This is also a wider issue. Jose has been with us less than 2 years. It’s the majority of the fans who are complaining about him and his short term tenures more than him. He is annoyed but we have no idea what’s happening behind the scenes. He inherited a team that has been on the decline for many years and is slowly turning round the ship. We can’t keep sacking managers! I get canning Moyes and LVG but Mourinho? One of the most socceasful modern day managers. It’s crazy. He needs time, and investment. Jose had always been a chequebook manager. To appoint him and then not back him would quite ridiculous. He also can’t be blamed for not playing youngsters he has inherited who are simply not good enough!

14.) 28 Dec 2017 00:01:30
I'm in agreement with you Redman. I had a green and yellow scarf. I'll wear it again. Stoner made a point about spending. But what he didn't say is United sold £350m in talent in that time. So the net spend is more like £350m. So it's not great in comparison to others.
This is a business. You buy and you sell. And net spend of £70m a yrear since Fergie left doesn't sound like much.
We either want to be the best or not. Liverpool have just spent £60m on Keita and £75m on van dijk. While we argue the toss over perisic! That sums up our ambition.

15.) 28 Dec 2017 07:22:04
Its an eyewatering amount to be reduced to starting a PL game with journeymen such as Blind, Rojo 2 converted wingers as full backs, Fellani, and leaving us . Manchester United of all teams without any wingers - a shed load of money has been wasted to leave us no more than a top 6 team playing dull, slow, football whichever way you look at it. I would love to see TFM and Tuanzebee and perriera get games for us but then we are still 1 top centre half, 1 full back, I winger, and 1 top creative midfielder short . and some would say that's being conservative . so 4 top players . what's that 250 -300 mill, should JM get that in the next 2 windows? I don't know.

16.) 28 Dec 2017 07:32:32
Jose may need time but he’s never been one for sticking around has he? We have spent a lot of money in recent years, it’s just a lot of it hasn’t been spent well.

I want us to compete for the best and we are rich enough to do so but I don’t want it to just be about buying the biggest names, that has never been our way.

Yes there was a lack of investment, and yes it is not an overnight fix, and yes it seems SAF was toeing the corporate line, but I expected Jose to get more out of this team.

17.) 28 Dec 2017 07:59:47
Red Man - so how much money do you think José should be allowed to spend, does another £300m or £600m become acceptable and at what point do we judge the manager?
I can't recall José making these comments before we hit a sticky patch where people have questioned the job he is doing with the current squad.
Maybe that's a coincidence or is it José doing his normal and getting his excuses in first before he leaves us.
I don't disagree with the under investment but do we spend another £600m and then want £900m, if that doesn't work do we spend £1.2bn.
The manager has to be judged at some point.

{Ed025's Note - i agree keanooh..

18.) 28 Dec 2017 08:05:06
You can't be serious. United have been spending top dollar for YEARS. You're just falling for Jose's antics. Instead of blaming him, you are blaming Alex Ferguson and the Board.

19.) 28 Dec 2017 09:19:42
Attack attack attack,

I can’t imagine there will be a huge difference in net spend, the figure since Fergie left is more than he ever spent in his whole time at United.

You have purchased 22 players with that money since he left to finish no better than 15 points behind the winners, last season being 24 points behind.

That is an Arsenal level of under performing but having spent god knows how much more money.

20.) 28 Dec 2017 10:14:34
And I know you're part of the José spin machine, but seeking to bring down the fall of the Glazer empire is a bold claim, even for José. I know you think he shoots fireballs out his ar$e, but I really don't think that his motives are what you hope they are.

21.) 28 Dec 2017 10:35:26
Red Man has a point. Yes Jose may be getting his excuses in early before he jumps ship. But would anyone blame him. The ambitions of the owners have to be questioned. Are they content to become the new Arsenal or do they genuinely want to challenge.

Is it Joses fault his predecessors wasted so much money?

Moyes blew 70 million on two players who never suited the team. Fellaini has a good attitude but should never have been signed. And Mata is a lovely bloke but Moyes bought him with no idea what to do with him an everyone else since has to try an crowbar him in somewhere.

LvG where to begin. Di Maria is arguably the biggest flop in English football. Schweinsteiger was past his best. Schneiderlin and Depay flopped as well. Blind is just cover. Rojo is an injury prone liability. The only one who has had any measure of success is Herrera. The juries still out on Shaw. And I just remembered Darmian which shows his contribution.

Now whether or not you thought back in the summer that Perisic was the right signing and plenty of you didn't the face we spent weeks haggling over 5 million before pulling out shows the point.

22.) 28 Dec 2017 11:09:02
3rd highest spend in the world over the last 4 year . But we don't spend money?
Highest wage bill in the epl, but we don't have money?

Poor United.

23.) 28 Dec 2017 11:11:01
The point I'm making is for a club like United to have an annual net spend of £70m on players is pathetic in comparison to the income we generate. It simply is not good enough proclaiming themselves to be one of the top three in the world. That's utter rubbish.

Most has spelled it out quite succinctly.
And Eric also has a point that we've spent most of it on average players.
So where do we go from here? To this day, I'm not sure why we haven't employed a director of football. Also, our scouting network in the past 10 years has not been up to scratch. No easy or quick fix but employing a director of football and a good scouting manager (Monaco seem to unearth good players all the time) won't go amiss.

I will also consider to bring in some Barcelona connections into the club. Pep and his successors have all shown that their system works and is long lasting.




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It wasn’t actually Sanchez in particular, I was pointing out that we need to recruit at the top level, especially if our opposition are doing that. Sanchez is a top level player and if there is a deal for him then it could be good. We shall see if the manager thinks there is a fit in our team and more important if this is a real opportunity. We shall see.

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For once I agree with you, we need that wide attacking player, a Sanchez, Bale type. I haven't seen enough of Lemar but failure to land that type of player leaves us short.

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12 Jul 2017 08:26:36
Last I heard Arsenal would like Smalling so like Rooney with Everton there is an attraction in part of the deal, at least potentially. Bayern have taken James (thankfully) which ruled out one place Alexis could go but it would leave Arsenal on a huge financial precipice if Sanchez refuses to sign a new deal.

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10 Jun 2017 07:49:41
Leverage is part of business, not having any debt could be seen as not managing the business in the most effective manner.

There is a huge however though. Usually a debt is to enable investment in improving the business, helping it to grow. This debt was not used to invest and improve the business but foisted on us to enable someone who didn't have the money to buy our club and make the club pay for it. Where did the £1bn of loans, costs and interest go? Players, stadium, no it was to fund the managed buy out, wasted wasted money.

The debt will probably sit there eating interest, taking a piece of our income until they sell.

Therefore usually it is efficient to have debt, but not in this instance because it was not invested to improve the business.

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31 May 2017 21:41:53
Club data? I doubt we could be forced to disclose the club's own data on individual players if we didn't wish to. Releasing players for international duty is one thing but club data is another.

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13 Jan 2018 21:50:16
At a time when it seems popular to have defenders who pass out from the back, take chances but have the confidence to move with the ball. Harry Maguire is a classic old style defender, he defends, ruggedly. It is hard to get past him, he plays physically, strongly, positively.

Maguire commits physically to the role, but the question in my mind is whether he can cope with a tricky pacy forward one on one who runs into space when your team is pushing forward. Has potential but is not Rio, yet is a defender you would want behind you on the pitch, no compromises.

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13 Jan 2018 21:32:52

Sad that you have no idea about what planning means and have the small mentality of wanting to try to score cheap points.


Reports seem to indicate Chong has developed physically as well, has pace and power. No guarantee of success but I always like to see them make as much as possible out of their careers, even if it isn’t with us. There are an awful lot of our graduates out there.

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13 Jan 2018 18:53:44
The Ed said a few weeks ago that we have upped our game on the youth side, not just trying to make a profit on it. Separate to the Ed I have heard there have been some good appointments.

Puigmal is very highly rated, I posted an article on here about him a while ago and we seem to be strongly recruiting, another lad from Coventry was also signed this week. One small point is that I hope they are putting the same into local Manchester lads. Gomes interests us all and we all have high hopes. The next Ronaldo is likely out there, let’s hope we can find him.

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10 Jan 2018 13:01:37

Good points

Let’s not forget that Woodward said in 2013 that the team didn’t need any significant Re-tooling. How was that level of ambition comparable to being the best in the world? Ok we won the league but didn’t get near in the UCL and then he delivered Fellaini.

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10 Jan 2018 06:40:46

You make some good points, ones which I have made on here before, but you have summarised them well. However seem to spectacularly misunderstand ambition.

Most if not all clubs have ambition, but it is the level of ambition that differs. Teams in the championship have ambition, to get in the play off, be promoted. Teams in the premier league relegation zone have ambition to stay up, mid table teams to improve, get to a European place, the top four.

There are teams whose aim is to TRY to win the league and or a cup.

Then there are teams who want to dominate, win European cups, Madrid, Barca, Munich, PSG and now City. They don’t talk about cost, they have an aim, an ambition to dominate in their own leagues but in Europe as well. I do not see that in us.

What I do see is the ambition, the burning ambition to maximise the asset value whilst trying to show ambition to win the big trophies and that is the next level, albeit small level down to the big boys and now even to City, it shouldn’t be. If we can have the best asset value without being the best team why spend more is what seems to be the view

Do get your facts right on lvg, for me it was not the same as with Moyes, I had not “made up my mind before he started”. Moyes yes, knew it would be a disaster but lvg I have had stick on here recently for supporting him, do check before making sweeping statements.

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