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01 May 2017 09:31:34
I read this morning that Romero has bought a house in Milan. Obviously no idea if that is true or whether he is leaving but strange place to buy if you play in Manchester.

Red Man

1.) 01 May 2017 13:41:07
Holiday home/ investment property? Doubt he's short of a few quid.

2.) 01 May 2017 18:25:03
Linked with inter.

3.) 02 May 2017 08:23:11
Get the lad from Milan and send them a ready made replacement?



01 Apr 2017 12:59:16
Today I understand another young reserve (he is 20) has been added to the match day squad, Matthew Willock, in addition to Tuanzebe and TFM. This is down to injuries but also because we have released the older "blockers" in the squad. I hope all three get some time and show what they can do. Like Rashford last season, until they step onto the biggest stage in key matches (the pressure to win is now on), we won't know how they handle it.

Personally I have seen many youngsters debut at OT and there is a buzz of excitement when they step out. Good luck to Willock if he gets on and it will do wonders for the youth/ reserve set up to see progress. I hope young Gomes gets some time soon and possibly Gribben if they continue progress and are physically able.

Funny but today may need Fellaini especially against a West Brom team who can and like to score from dead balls.

Red Man

1.) 01 Apr 2017 17:53:35
Another draw at home, top four just seems out of reach at the moment, Its the old Man Utd way, when teams above us drop points so do we. But the most frustrating thing for me is Micki taken off again and martial and lingard left on.
Hope Jose has a plan for next season regarding strikers, it's plain to see if Zlatan don't score, nor does anyone else. Looks like another season of frustration and missed chances.



25 Oct 2014 06:38:03
Interesting That the Valdes rumour had been around a while.

13 Aug 2014
Despite being injured I did read a while ago that we had interest in Victor Valdes as competition for De Gea, following Valdes injury lay off but not heard much in a while. Not sure whether Valdes has found a club as yet. I also read that De Gea's girlfriend was encouraging him to move back to Spain and whilst there has been no suggestion he would, a good number 2 could be important

Red Man



27 Sep 2014 07:28:35
Most interesting if true.

it appears Tony Strudwick, the first team fitness coach since 2007, has been moved from his usual role to a job looking after the physical development of the club's younger players. It Looks like Lvg has now put someone he trusts and has known a long time, Jos van Dijk in the role.

Red Man

1.) Forgive me Red Man, but why is this most interesting if true?

2.) Quite interesting . let's see if it has any impact.

3.) KingGiggsy

Many have been frustrated and annoyed by the number of injuries picked up particularly in training. LvG has been here a few weeks and potentially identified an issue and possibly one of the causes. LvG resolved the injuries sustained by Robben and is now looking at our injury prone regulars. If this works and is true the reason why it is interesting becomes clearer.

4.) Thanks for sharing Redman, let's hope this helps inmprove our injury record.



12 Feb 2014 04:30:51
It appears Vidal has signed a new Juventus contract until 2018

Red Man

1.) Used again to get a better deal, I hope dm wasn't banking on Vidal coming

2.) Only a highly unreliable English newspaper seems to be reporting this and the others have piggy backed on the story.

There is absolutely nothing in Italy or any official announcement from Juve.

Although the Editor did say that Juve would be unlikely to sell or the player wanting the move so a new deal wouldn't surprise me.

3.) Eric is god, Vidal never once said he's interested in move to us or anything like that so how could he use us to get a better deal?

There was genuine interest from us, the media hyped it up as per usual.




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20 Mar 2018 20:57:41
Danny Lancs asks lower down about SAF early days.

A different perspective, there was a drinking culture in the club. People don't realise how bad it was. One Thursday night not long after SAF joined I was in a pub in Sale when two senior first team players arrived. There was a game at the weekend but they were hammered and got more hammered. I watched as one was collapsed across the end of the bar and eventually had to be carried out by the bouncer. My friends and I were going to the game at the weekend and just shook our heads in shame. There were no cameras, no mobile phones to record it on. My late brother was in the same pub for lunch and regaled to me how one key first team player sank 7 pints of lager over lunchtime with a game several days away.

You have to understand perspective, when SAF arrived we had endured circa 15 years of utter Liverpool dominance and a press that eulogised them, everything was nice stories about the boot room. We desperately longed for success, the joke about our end of season party being in February when the Scousers went too far ahead to catch them grated beyond belief. It is why winning is what matters, the Scousers ground out wins, collected trophies.

SAF arrived and he had won so much with Aberdeen, I watched some of them on tv. We had new hope, yet we hardly saw an improvement, the football was awful, it really was and didn't the Scousers love it. There was no social media but radio shows had people on doubting SAF. The only time my belief wavered was the 5.1 defeat at City in 89. it was hard to take because our dreams were being ripped apart again. Someone told me though that SAF was making changes to the club and stick with it. I was someone who stood on the Stretford End shouting Sexton out so it was hard not to protest, yet I had seen some of the issues and to be honest the choice was throw it all out start again with another manager or stick with SAF, I chose SAF. We were promised so much with Big Ron. I went to away games because we thought we could win the league, only to be shattered by a bunch of prima donnas and that was awful in the end, nice football but nothing to show for it, so we just had to wait, give SAF the chance. SAF then made a tough decision over Leighton, destroyed his career really, but it was the right one. It was probably a turning point for the club. We won the cup but the manager showed he could make tough decisions and that is what Jose is doing. There are more modern problems at the club, now players can't be criticised as it might hurt their feelings. I played football in SAF early days and it was physical, not like now, you had to deal with criticism and not get upset about it. Different problems now but still things that need tough decisions, do we want a manager to make them or someone who cosies up to them for 18 months until the players don't like what they hear again. You decide.

Red Man

1.) 20 Mar 2018 21:18:22
Cracking post red man thanks for sharing and giving an insight into those early days.

2.) 20 Mar 2018 21:38:51
Thanks for sharing Red Man.

3.) 20 Mar 2018 22:24:14
Loved reading that red man, good post.

4.) 20 Mar 2018 22:42:49
Top top top post Redman these players should be men and not act like girls and take everything to heart.

5.) 20 Mar 2018 22:43:15
Brilliant read Red-Man.

6.) 21 Mar 2018 00:01:17
Redman, you're referring to Norman Whiteside and Paul McGrath. We used to see them a lot around Manchester in bars when they should be in bed. Different times but they were great times.
Also Bryan Robson could drink with the best of them but somehow managed to keep his career going.
Players of today are a different breed and the managers have their hands full. To be honest, it's a difficult job and one I hate to do nowadays.
I was at Stret End from 1970 till 1990 before I moved in order to take my son to the matches. Then we moved back to Stret End and now singing stand and we would like to go back to Stret End. Life moves a full cycle. There's never a dull moment at our club.
My best memory was when we got beat at home by the brilliant WBA side containing the late Cyril Regis. The crowd applauded the teams off the field. Brilliant match despite us Losing. Sorry to bore posters with silly memories.

7.) 21 Mar 2018 00:21:51
Best post I’ve read in a long time RM. 👏👏
Good supporting post AAA. 👍.

8.) 21 Mar 2018 02:35:52
Red Man good post. Evoked a couple of memories. Ta. 👏.

9.) 21 Mar 2018 03:04:43
Great post redman and AAA, but I have to ask how fecking old are you people? 😉.

10.) 21 Mar 2018 00:56:36
Does that mean AAA's post was a top top post? 😂

I think there is a move by the press to hang Jose and stick the knife into utd. They have been waiting to watch it all blow up. I for one am going to support the manager and trust that if these players aren't right then he will move them on and bring in the right players.

Can anyone really say that Alderwereld/ umtiti, Kroos, Bale, martin/ max/ rose with 8 making way Doesn't sound exciting? This squad needs a revamp, we have a few very good pieces at a good age. I think this summer will see our first team get significantly stronger.

If a few don't make it and don't feel they got a fair chance then they need to be honest with themselves. Easy to blame other people when the truth hurts.

11.) 21 Mar 2018 05:37:34
AAA, seems we trod similar paths.

CSM, in August I will have been supporting the club for 50 years.

I started going to games in the South stand seats about 1971 with my late brother, I then went in the Stretford End Paddock around 1976 before going in the Stretford End not long after.

Tough but great at the games, we got behind the team far more, mainly because we were underdogs to the Scousers. Still we queued to get in en masse and screamed our heads off, were the extra man. I remember the 5-3 game with WBA, wonderful players Regis and Cunningham, would have graced today’s game. I have experienced the lowest, I was sat in K stand in 74 when Law back heeled in for City, people don’t realise the humiliation, now it is made out to be humiliation when we lose to a lesser opponent, 74 puts everything in perspective. However, there was 84 and Barca, what a night.

The mid eighties Everton came along and did what we couldn’t, beat the Scouse from top spot. I was at the 85 cup final, it’s never brought up now, but we sang Everton, Everton out of respect, they did a lap of honour in front of us and we cheered them, easier because we won, but they had put the Scouse in their place even for a couple of years. Hence my soft spot for Everton.

Nostalgia huh, one of my memories was in the 80’s, meeting and spending an afternoon drinking with Wilf McGuiness, lovely man but couldn’t imagine him being strong enough to lead.

Nostalgia, apologies, but my dad took me down Chester road, past Old Trafford in the late sixties, totally different place to what it is now, then it was a gritty northern town for tough footballers like Bill Foulkes, not the shiny modern one it is now where sensitivities are part of the psyche. Standing on the terraces gave a different, more grounded view of the game than sat in the rarified seats. Standing cost about 30 pence I think which you could save up from most of your pocket money to pay, it was raw and you went to support your team, now they go to watch, to be entertained, it’s different, it’s the corporate animal, sad because most of you won’t have experienced that raw feeling of a goal and thousands rushing forward in a crush all together while screaming, then trying to get back to where you stood and find your mates. Wrists were broken on the barriers in the crush, but oh what fun.

12.) 21 Mar 2018 05:53:48
Red Man thanks for giving some perspective and good memories. I think the younger generation has now add a different meaning to supporting 🤣🤣🤣 and I guess they want instant results just like instant coffee or tea.
Love to be able to have a nice afternoon tea with you and AAA when I have the chance to visit UK. It’ll be a rewarding trip 😉.

13.) 21 Mar 2018 09:24:10
You're right RedMan. We must have been present at all the old matches. 666 and dodgy and all other posters who commented, make no mistake, our club is the best in the world. There mught be clubs like City or Chelsea with the new money, but our club has history and tradition that they can't buy. That's why as much as I dislike the red Scousers, I also have respect for their achievements. As they are also a traditional club with great history.
RedMan, that WBA game was just something else. Sadly, both Cunningham and Regis are no longer with us.
But one thing that RedMan absolutely nailed is the atmosphere at the ground. I have also experienced the surge in the stands on countless times when we used to stand and though it was frightening at the time, it was exhilarating. The stadium used to shake with the noise. 2468 the reds are great by Bachman Turner overdrive used to start the show and the crowd were up and running from the kick off. Now we have this stupid presenter who kills the atmosphere before games and when he stops yelling on his microphone, the crowd are so quiet. As RedMan rightly says, we used to go to support while now, people go to be entertained a bit like an American football game. I do wish the club will sort this out by liaising with the fans. I sit there so many times and the away supporters if lesser teams are the only ones heard. This is not the case at our away matches, where our support is the best in the land by a mile.
And a last memory, I've been to Anfield four times and seen United win on every occasion. Two of those, my brother and I were sold tickets by touts to the away stand but in our haste to get into the match at the last seconds before the start, only to find that we're in the Kop. Have you tried watching your team score goals when you can't celebrate?



18 Mar 2018 10:12:28
Watershed moments, I had a feeling that after Tuesday, last night may have been one of those and wondered how the team would react and play last night. They won but weren't great. However, I found Jose's comments after the game very interesting and potentially a watershed moment.

My reading of it is he is nobody's fool and knew the reputational damage done on Tuesday, not so much losing but the manner. I wouldn't be surprised if he has regular meetings with Woodward and was asked what happened. It sounded to me like he wanted more last night, possibly because of that pressure but they didn't deliver. It seems beyond the existing players to deliver a tactical display and then be more expansive. Jose said players hid and didn't do what he had coached them to do for two days. It has to be said that smacks of it wasn't my fault, but also why hasn't that been the aim of his coaching for 18 months? I think he feels the pressure because he has been sacked before and wanted the message out there that he is trying.

In saying that there is a problem with players, I commented after the Sevilla game that players were afraid of the big stage and now the manager is saying it. It's a key moment for me, do the club back him and change the players or change the manager? The problem is that changing the manager let's those hiding (and I believe there are players who cannot cope with the weight of the shirt), stay and will cause the same issues for the next incumbent. I recall a letter in the press about 1989 saying Fergie out and I think it was Greavsie who answered saying something along the lines that it was the players that needed changing, basically cheating the club out of wages. There are some similarities

Jose has challenged our players, at Chelsea they downed tools, the club sacked him, now 18 months on they play when they want and the next manager is under pressure. It's a huge call for the club, I think Jose is right in what he is saying and if, it's a big if, he wants to play more expansive aggressive football then the club needs to stand right behind him. Some players may take their bat and ball home, mainly because they don't like a challenge so directly to them, well that exactly highlights what Jose said. It's decisions on this that Woodward gets paid for even though he is a numbers man not a football one. It's a big call, but pandering to the players, whoever is manager won't work. My gut feeling is to stick with Jose because he is correct and knows how to win plus the club still behaves like it did in the nineties when they need to modernise. It a big call for Woodward, especially as he signed the cheque to buy some of them. I still think we should stick with the manager, he will drag the club to better days and give it a solid base to progress. We also need the owners and Woodward to decide if they want to be up with Barca, Madrid, Munich or just be a cash cow, change, painful change is needed as part of the improvement process.

Red Man

1.) 18 Mar 2018 10:32:44
Really good post redman i agree.

2.) 18 Mar 2018 10:36:14
Redman I agree with what you are saying about players not pulling their weight maybe some have a mental block. But isn't it mourinho's job to get rid of it or get rid of them if they can't.

What mourinho did was cowardly finger pointing, as AJH below said in regards to shaw, he playing badly get him to improve if he can't sell him no need to make a sadistic game out of publicly bullying someone.

Mourinho talks about being brave on the ball what happened to that at Liverpool or Sevilla or against City or Arsenal after the first 10-15 minutes. It's not a switch that can be flicked on and off when one wants to, it all comes from the manager.

He talks about players who are scared and don't have the mentality, what about pogba and mkhi they can be legitimately called the biggest mentally frail players we have who bought them? What about lindelof don't see any mental fortitude in him either.

You mention madrid, Barcelona and bayern 3 clubs who would sack mourinho for his boring football and constant toxic fight picking. If we want to be them we need to play the way they do not the way mourinho does.

3.) 18 Mar 2018 10:53:59
Good post Red Man, well thought out and a reasoned argument. If it is down to the players, and I accept there are some who are not stepping up, then the way he has gone about publicly dissing them doesn’t sit right with me. I think he has done it to effectively say “it’s not my fault mate”. If he hadn’t lost the dressing room before then he has now, as you say it is done to the Chairman to back him in which case the players will either step up or be shipped out.

My recurring argument is that he should be able to get more out of the players we have, and we have got progressively worse this year.

As for expansive football, I don’t think he has it in him.

4.) 18 Mar 2018 11:14:45
I'm not in favour of sacking him just now. I'm resigned to the fact that there's not going to be a lightbulb moment any time soon, so best just to let the season play out, and see what the summer brings in terms of players José wants. He obviously only trusts certain players who buy into his philosophy ( I hate that word), so there can be no excuses after the summer, if he gets the players he wants. If there's no visible improvement in playing style next season, then I think it has to be thanks for the effort, but goodbye.

5.) 18 Mar 2018 11:19:05
Also for all those who think mourinho isn't having a meltdown these are his comments after Leicester defeat in 2015 where he went the whole my players betrayed me and was subsequently sacked

“I worked four days on this match, I prepared everything related to the opponent, I identified four movements where they score almost every one of their goals.

My players got all that information in training in the last three days and in four types of situations that I identified, they conceded the first and the second goals. "

Is it just me or does it not sound like

"When I spend two days working on a faster building gap, between the lines, that depends on the defenders and the movement of the attacking players. Here attacking players hiding behind players, defenders playing square passes taking 10-12 passes to go to another line. "

Both statements have additional comments where players get thrown under bus with no blame attached to the Special One.

6.) 18 Mar 2018 11:25:53
Good post noucamp i agree with most of that.

7.) 18 Mar 2018 11:33:21
I think it can only end one way. He can’t see any fault with his approach, the failure will always be the players, the supporters, the club, the media, and on and on. With the way he is treating certain players, it’s only a matter of time before he loses the dressing room.

I wanted him to be a success and prove that he can still be a top manager in the modern era, but if you can’t even acknowledge the mistakes you’re making, there’s no way to fix things.

8.) 18 Mar 2018 11:50:02
A good well thought out post Redman and I too think this is the watershed moment for Jose.

The players definitely need to step up, but Jose also needs to look in the mirror and find his personality, desire and class. He appears to no longer be the great manager and man he once was and believes his own hype too much.

Just like Fridays press conference was totally contrived, it seems so was the selection and substitution of Shaw, and the comments about the players after the game. If this is all to make a point, then I don’t like the point he is trying to make.

Jose is basically saying it’s not me it’s them and regardless of whether he is different behind closed doors he is at least alienating the fans which contributes to the grey cloud looming above Old Trafford.

If we change all the players, but Jose stays the same, which he says he will, we’ll still not play expansive football (no Jose team ever has) and the grey cloud will remain.

9.) 18 Mar 2018 11:58:10
So far we have supported José with several signings yet how have they performed, most have not achieved anywhere near what was expected, so bad was one that we offloaded him. We have nearly £1m a week tied up in 2 of Jose's players and what do we get in return, we have Jose's centre half, he can't replace the rubbish that some say smalling / jones etc are.
What makes people think José is capable of signing the right players, his track record thus far doesn't fill me with confidence.

10.) 18 Mar 2018 12:00:51
I don't like the way it is atm it leaves a bad taste in my mouth the way he is singling people out and publicly hammering them.

I agree that there are players that look overwhelmed at playing for the club, there are also players who simply aren't good enough.

Take yesterday for example saying matic is an island utter nonsense he was bang average in a bang average performance once again personally I thought lukaku and bailly were our best performers what are they thinking this morning after those comments .

We are improving imo and I know it's not pretty but I still believe we are moving in the right direction so the idea of sacking him is abhorrent to me it would be a disaster imo but I do wish he would occasionally show a bit of that class he keeps banging on about.



16 Mar 2018 23:25:57
Maybe this won't be popular but I recall joining this site about 8 years ago and couldn't believe the arrogance, the expectation that we would just carry on being at the top, always winning. I remember writing about our arrogance, our presumption of our "natural" position. Then I remember when SAF left those 11 points we won the league by were insurmountable on here, all utter arrogance.

I read Mourinho's transcript and you know what, it's true. We have sat around for years thinking we were at the top table, sneering at the others, when actually it's been sporadic we have been up there and not for some time. We are and have been kidding ourselves. All this beautiful football tripe, it's arrogance. Even under SAF we rarely breathed that rarified atmosphere the Bayern's, Barca's and Madrid's breathed, we thought we did but went out when it mattered. It's a harsh truth but it needed saying, we have not had the burning desire, the determination or sat at that top table for a long time, if ever. It's our position, we have become the scousers of the nineties with our sense of entitlement. It's about time something shook us out before the clock clicks to ten, fifteen years. We can't click our fingers and everything changes, we have been dreaming, dreaming of the United way. It got us 3 Champions leagues, watching the Arsenal game, Milan have what 7 European cups? Reality is we have been small time in Europe, because of our own arrogance, self importance attitude. The Babes would have won us many, but with deep regret they didn't. We have that sense of being short changed, that sense of unfairness, something taken away. It's time to set our stall out, the mentality to win not once but repeatedly and if Jose can do that it's about time. The man wins, we have lacked that mentality through all levels of the club since SAF and to be honest his shop steward mentality, his old ways didn't bring the success in Europe it should have done.

No you won't like the above, but maybe it is the wake up call we needed. Maybe the football needs to improve but we need to work to achieve what we want, it won't be given to us and we have flattered to deceive for too many years.

Red Man

1.) 16 Mar 2018 23:58:46
I think Jose told a few harsh truths recently that won't go down well with many of our fans.

Good post red man.

2.) 17 Mar 2018 00:12:45
How does parking the bus help this Red Man?

3.) 17 Mar 2018 01:14:01
Yes, we have been miles off the top table in Europe for years but that is no excuse for the underperforming, subordinate approach and style of play this egomaniac has been delivering for a sustained period.
The guy has basically talked down the team and club to justify and defend his own means and reputation. It isn't on.

4.) 17 Mar 2018 01:54:31
great post red man.

5.) 17 Mar 2018 06:01:59
It's really amazing what blind fanboyism can do to people. I remember a certain ex Everton manager telling us that we need to aspire to be like city, people were baying for his blood when he said that, there was another manager from the other Mersey side club who went on a similar "FACHTS" rant and most utd fans couldn't stop laughing at it.

Now the shoe is in the other foot and suddenly a similar rant is the cold hard truth and arrogance and most laughable of all it is apparently passion.

There was a post by someone quoting ozil's autobiography telling us how mourinho said things post Sevilla to take pressure off the team and protect players and yet 2 days after that here he is telling us that it isn't his fault because city have inherited a better team and he has inherited rubbish.

This are not truth or passion or anything such, this is usual nonsense from a man who has a history of blaming everyone but himself for his own failures.

Also when he went on the history rant yesterday the question was why couldn't you beat Sevilla his answer was because city have a better team and utd have been rubbish in Europe.

This is now considered truth apparently.

6.) 17 Mar 2018 06:30:58
Red Man, good post and he did indeed bring a dose of reality to the table. Sadly, this will deflect from his own short comings; we are all now realising he has a point and not talking about the pathetic display against Seville¡ the parking the bus at Anfield when we were flying.

Here’s a question for the Jose fans. Why have we got progressively worse as the season has progressed? Scoring fewer, dropping more points? Something ain’t right.

7.) 17 Mar 2018 07:21:47
We are man United we should be arrogant just like Munich Barcelona and Madrid.

8.) 17 Mar 2018 08:41:46
In this life I don't believe anyone has a right to be arrogant.

9.) 17 Mar 2018 08:52:10
Madrid have gone through 13 managers in 15 year
Munich 11 managers in 14 years .
Barce 8 in 13 year .
High standards them boys.

10.) 17 Mar 2018 11:13:50
Sure but arrogance?

11.) 17 Mar 2018 19:25:12
90% of top sportsmen are you need that belief.

12.) 17 Mar 2018 19:39:35
RedMan. All well writing all that and to be honest all of us knew that United have underachieved in Europe. It doesn't take a genius to work that out. The Scousers remind us of the 5 times they've won it. So we don't need mourinho to rubbing insult into injury.
How is that supposed to motivate the players? How is that supposed to get the fans onside and excited?
And more importantly, what is the great Mourinho doing about it? Not a lot. FACT!



15 Mar 2018 21:16:27
I was bewildered by Tuesday night, utterly bewildered, been shaking my head thinking about it for two days. Its been years since I saw such a timid limp display and I am still not sure why, selecting Fellaini apart. I don't think the club will make a decision to change managers after one game, no matter how poor it was, given there has been obvious improvement in our position so far, so some will be disappointed.

I would be guessing but I think there is a combination, maybe the tactics were to ensure we didn't concede first, driven by a poor performance and result away, then pick them off as they came out or tired. How many times have we said an away goal is vital. The team became nervous, partly because they got caught not wanting to concede, and lacking the gritty characters went into their shells. I maintain some looked like the stage was too big. Some blame on both the manager and the players, but I can't understand why there was no passion. I do think that Jose has taken the heat off the players this week with what he has said, deliberate or otherwise.

We now have to look forward. I would hope there is a regular communication scheduled between manager and executives and an understanding sought of what the manager thought happened. We have a game this weekend, I don't think by the reaction of the fans Jose can afford to see the team being timid. Characters would normally drive the performance in the next game but we don't have any, yet it needs to be better than Tuesday. Tuesday could turn out to be a watershed, let's see on Saturday. Fans need to cheer the team, be the extra man, we did it for years when we were far worse than now, now it seems they want to be entertained before singing. Support is needed now, your team needs you.

Red Man

1.) 15 Mar 2018 22:05:32
Good post red man. I too have been thinking about Tuesday for the last few days. I was fuming yesterday and and still have a lingering anger as to why we were so disgracefully timid. I don’t want to be someone who overreacts after one bad result but that for me was a watershed moment. I suppose the bubble burst and I took my red tinted glasses and realised jose’s Not the right man to lead our club. I have seen nothing which suggests He has bought into the ethos and traditions that we as a club are accustomed to. He is extremely egotistical and stubborn and it’s always his way or his way. Unless he is willing to really change his tactics then I can’t see the fans changing their minds.

He got selection so wrong with Fellaini and taking out mata. He got it wrong shifting rashford to the right. But this isn’t the only time he has got it wrong. He got it wrong against Liverpool at Anfield with the tactics. He keeps selecting smalling and young which I believe is wrong. He consistently plays a two man field even though we always get overrun. He’s dropped martial who was in a very rich vein of form. These are all examples which he has got it wrong and hasn’t changed. So why would he suddenly change his approach and implement attacking tactics? He is not going to change and if he doesn’t then this time next year will be very toxic. I want him to succeed but last night showed to me that he is incapable of competing with pep at city and he will not get us to where we need to be.

2.) 15 Mar 2018 22:14:25
All that was bad enough but his comments after take the biscuit
I knocked Manchester United out twice. i sat here with Porto, I sat here with real Madrid. your great Jose. all about himself.
Manchester United is bigger than that clown.
Rashford very affective on the left against liverpool then switched him to the right, A game made for Mata. fellani and matic in the middle for what their speed.
I am the special one.

3.) 15 Mar 2018 22:20:47
It was a terrible display redman, soon as I saw Fellani in the 11 I knew the game we were going to play and knew it would be tricky.

The preparation for the game wasn't exactly right if you ask me. After the game against Liverpool the players should of been on a high, raring to go but instead our manager went for FDB and allowed eyes to wonder away from the task at hand.

I understand Mourinho's frustration, he seems to get a lot of unjust flak but pick your times to hit back. He done it against Conte perfectly.

The sad thing is we actually have some really good players. De Gea, Baily, Matic, Pogba, Rashford and Martial are all good players to build our team around. But, for some reason we have made Fellani, Young, Lingard and Smalling our important players.

Defence is our real weak link. Our fullbacks are average and Smalling is the worse defender at the club. Yet we set up to give them the most work. We can't be suprised when they let us down.

It's not all bad though on fact far from it. But performances need to improve and wins must become consistent.

4.) 15 Mar 2018 22:46:08
Red Man - I was at the game on Tuesday and it somehow didn't have the feel of a big European night. Maybe a lot of fans (myself included) under estimated Sevilla and I think the general mood was one of nervousness rather than frenzy. No disrespect to Sevilla but the occasion didn't exactly get the juices flowing and I think most expected us just to get the job done and move onto a more glamorous tie in the next round.

The 0-0 draw in the first leg certainly didn't help and I can't help thinking even a defeat in the first leg might have been a better result. The fans wouldn't have been so complacent and provided the extra vocal support knowing that we had to win. The players might have approached the game with more intensity and desire. In reality we got caught in a deadly game of cat and mouse and were more concerned about not conceding than actually trying to win the game. Sevilla grew in confidence as we just sat off them and let the game dangerously drift towards 90 minutes. Indecisiveness beat us more than anything else and I always thought it was a risky tactic bringing Pogba on for the last 20 minutes at 0-0. His defensive liability's have cost us on several occasions and I thought he got caught out of position for the first goal. In hindsight it might have been better sticking with the defensive mindset hoping that one of our attackers could nick us a goal seen as though that had been the plan since KO.

OT isn't a particularly partisan arena and hasn't been for a long time. Decent atmosphere's can still be generated but they tend to be saved for the likes of L'pool, City and the more fashionable European teams. The game is more civilised, the stadium vast, our vocal support is scattered around the stadium and the vast swathes of corporate seating especially in the Stratford End do little to enhance this. What I will say is that the history and size of the place must still make it a magical place to play. There are not many places in Europe where over 75,000 people turn up every week. If that's not support then I don't know what it. There is no doubt the crowd, especially in some games need something to get them going and the passive, insipid stuff served up on Tuesday night was never going to lend itself to a feverish and intimidating atmosphere. What it did prompt however was frustration, nervousness and by the end dissent.

5.) 16 Mar 2018 06:13:11
Top post Dan. Sums it up perfectly. You talk of atmosphere just look again at the Camp Nou the other night against Chelsea. It was a joy to behold 95000 Catalonians singing there hearts out waving flags. At OT we get the out little screech before kick off in the bigger games, but that about as good as it gets. I don’t remember a decent atmosphere since the semi against Barcelona in 2008.

The main crux of most of this for me personally particularly this season ion these pages especially is the stark realisation of what’s being served up across the road. We’ve never played anything like that and our most entertaining side was the 94’ one.

It’s a dark period we are going to have to get through unfortunately the problem we have is that Mourinho as well as ofher managers don’t really have any answer to it. Who’is there out there if Mourinho go’s.

6.) 16 Mar 2018 06:32:31
So, LVG served up crap football but won the FA Cup and was sacked after finishing 5th. Jose wins the League Cup and Europa Cup and finishes 6th and gets huge funds to continue building.

This year the football has regressed as the season has gone on. Look at our results and see how the goals have dried up and the performances have gradually worsened.

I don’t think it’s a happy camp, there are murmurings from the dressing room apparently. The display against Seville was the culmination of recent months, there is the odd bright spot but then we get back to the turgid approach that Jose seems to enjoy.

Yes, yes, I know we are second but since the first international break I have rarely enjoyed our games. Arsenal away was a great result but a very tough game to watch. Liverpool last week was a great first half but a painful second one.

Pogba has been bought but doesn’t seem happy and we are not seeing the best of him. Sanchez appears to have been an impulse buy for a position where we already have options. The players are not playing to their potential, they have to take some responsibility for that but is there anyone on here who doesn’t want to see us go out and attack teams?

I’m firmly off the fence, Jose’s comments post match Tuesday were appalling, he seemed sanguine about the defeat and the manner of it. If we finish second and win nothing is that an improvement? On paper I guess it is but are we playing better now than last year? I think not.

7.) 16 Mar 2018 07:49:30
Chris i agree we have some good players. Just like pep had when he arrived at city.
But the fondations start at the back. We are a house with a lovely kitchen and sitting room but it falls down because the foundations are crap.
Pep could not have city playing the way they are when he had zabaleta sagna cliche klorov nolito navas mangala stones fernando etc so he dumped them and got proper players to compliment the good ones he had.
Sterling looks better sane looks better otimendi looks better.
We need to surround the good players we have with better than valencia smalling jones fellaini herrera rojo jones blind shaw darmian. None of tbem have played consistently well under 2 3 or 4 managers.
Get rid of the sub standard players that have under achived for years.
Nobody can make a silk purse out of sows ears not even pep.

{Ed001's Note - ah but if Pep had a sow's ear it would be acknowledged by all as the greatest sow's ear in the history of the world.}

8.) 16 Mar 2018 08:15:48
It's hard to get excited about a dog turd and that's what we've been served up for the last 5 and you could argue 7 years. When the football has been so uninspiring for so long is it really a surprise that it's a bit flat at OT?

As for Mourinho I'd prefer to spend the rest of the season hounding him out of the club. I don't care whether that's toxic or not but the sooner we get rid of the misfit we can hopefully recruit a manager who will FINALLY play some football.

9.) 16 Mar 2018 08:51:33
Ken - what amazes me is that most people are critical of the defence, yet what has José done about it. We signed Bailly who in my opinion is our best CB, only problem is I'm guessing he has missed about 40% of the games since he signed. Not much to build a defence around if your best defender misses that many games. We signed Lindelof, who at best can be described as a work in progress, again not started 50% of the games. José has not addressed the FBs and his two CB signings miss on average at least 50% of games.
I believe that we set up ultra defensively in some games to compensate for our back 4 weakness so other players are sacrificed. Some will point out that we don't concede many goals, true enough but at what cost to the other aspects of our team.
For a manager who believes in strong defences José has not got a very good record at overhauling ours.

10.) 16 Mar 2018 14:52:48
Ed 001 do you not agree?

{Ed001's Note - I was kidding mate, but it wouldn't matter how good the team was Jose would still play the same way.}



13 Mar 2018 22:39:13
Very disappointing

Start by saying the team selection was wrong, the midfield slow and cumbersome, I cannot understand why Fellaini was selected, cannot understand that at all. He should never have been bought and should now be allowed to leave for free. If he is given a new contract I would be very annoyed. It was obvious after 10 mins Sevilla when were passing it around our midfield that a change was needed but it didn't happen.

We started positively for about 5 minutes, closing down but then seemed to step back, why?

I was surprised even shocked by the lack of passion and drive by the players, there seemed little desire, their attitude just didn't seem right. It almost seems some of the players can't cope with the pressure of playing on that stage.

Is it a too cautious approach, maybe, but we don't know what the instructions were, however we went down without a fight, the players gave up, where was their determination and fighting spirit?

Red Man

1.) 13 Mar 2018 23:16:39
Top post Redman. No matter how you play and what tactics werr given. If you lack desire and motivation in whatever you do whether that is playing football or performing at work then you will come back with failure.




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It wasn’t actually Sanchez in particular, I was pointing out that we need to recruit at the top level, especially if our opposition are doing that. Sanchez is a top level player and if there is a deal for him then it could be good. We shall see if the manager thinks there is a fit in our team and more important if this is a real opportunity. We shall see.

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For once I agree with you, we need that wide attacking player, a Sanchez, Bale type. I haven't seen enough of Lemar but failure to land that type of player leaves us short.

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12 Jul 2017 08:26:36
Last I heard Arsenal would like Smalling so like Rooney with Everton there is an attraction in part of the deal, at least potentially. Bayern have taken James (thankfully) which ruled out one place Alexis could go but it would leave Arsenal on a huge financial precipice if Sanchez refuses to sign a new deal.

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10 Jun 2017 07:49:41
Leverage is part of business, not having any debt could be seen as not managing the business in the most effective manner.

There is a huge however though. Usually a debt is to enable investment in improving the business, helping it to grow. This debt was not used to invest and improve the business but foisted on us to enable someone who didn't have the money to buy our club and make the club pay for it. Where did the £1bn of loans, costs and interest go? Players, stadium, no it was to fund the managed buy out, wasted wasted money.

The debt will probably sit there eating interest, taking a piece of our income until they sell.

Therefore usually it is efficient to have debt, but not in this instance because it was not invested to improve the business.

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31 May 2017 21:41:53
Club data? I doubt we could be forced to disclose the club's own data on individual players if we didn't wish to. Releasing players for international duty is one thing but club data is another.

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21 Mar 2018 08:24:31

I was at Luton when we drew and at Sheffield Wednesday I think it was when we lost.

It was frustrating because I had never seen us win the league in was it 18 years and they just fell apart. Yes injuries played a part but I stood on the Stretford End singing won eff all again Atkinson. Was it two FA cups in 5 years, the problem would have been Liverpool winning Leagues and European cups at the same time. Tough given the many years of failure.

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What a wonderful experience to actually play with those legends, something to remember for ever.

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21 Mar 2018 05:48:38

I can give you a similar story. In 1990 I stayed at a very nice hotel in Rhodes, Olympic Palace I think, one of the guests I met was La Toya Jackson with two enormous bodyguards. However, the hotel had a football game in its games area, my sort of thing back then and I beat a couple of challengers. Then along comes Ronnie Whelan of Liverpool, who wanted to play, we played and chatted, really nice friendly guy. Played him several times after that, can’t remember who won.

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{Ed0333's Note - Your story beats mine Red Man. You had Latoya Jackson and Ronnie Whelan in the same story. Did Ronnie tell you tales of the great Manc Norman Whiteside? Who incidentally was on the same chiropady course as my mate in Southampton University apparently the fella could drink lol.



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21 Mar 2018 05:37:34
AAA, seems we trod similar paths.

CSM, in August I will have been supporting the club for 50 years.

I started going to games in the South stand seats about 1971 with my late brother, I then went in the Stretford End Paddock around 1976 before going in the Stretford End not long after.

Tough but great at the games, we got behind the team far more, mainly because we were underdogs to the Scousers. Still we queued to get in en masse and screamed our heads off, were the extra man. I remember the 5-3 game with WBA, wonderful players Regis and Cunningham, would have graced today’s game. I have experienced the lowest, I was sat in K stand in 74 when Law back heeled in for City, people don’t realise the humiliation, now it is made out to be humiliation when we lose to a lesser opponent, 74 puts everything in perspective. However, there was 84 and Barca, what a night.

The mid eighties Everton came along and did what we couldn’t, beat the Scouse from top spot. I was at the 85 cup final, it’s never brought up now, but we sang Everton, Everton out of respect, they did a lap of honour in front of us and we cheered them, easier because we won, but they had put the Scouse in their place even for a couple of years. Hence my soft spot for Everton.

Nostalgia huh, one of my memories was in the 80’s, meeting and spending an afternoon drinking with Wilf McGuiness, lovely man but couldn’t imagine him being strong enough to lead.

Nostalgia, apologies, but my dad took me down Chester road, past Old Trafford in the late sixties, totally different place to what it is now, then it was a gritty northern town for tough footballers like Bill Foulkes, not the shiny modern one it is now where sensitivities are part of the psyche. Standing on the terraces gave a different, more grounded view of the game than sat in the rarified seats. Standing cost about 30 pence I think which you could save up from most of your pocket money to pay, it was raw and you went to support your team, now they go to watch, to be entertained, it’s different, it’s the corporate animal, sad because most of you won’t have experienced that raw feeling of a goal and thousands rushing forward in a crush all together while screaming, then trying to get back to where you stood and find your mates. Wrists were broken on the barriers in the crush, but oh what fun.

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20 Mar 2018 06:56:28
What’s this obsession with Pochettino? I like him but he has to show he is a winner to be our manager, get over the line more than once. His teams seem to fall at key moments and that won’t be good enough here.

As for Shaw, LvG made comment about him, I read his lifestyle just was not conducive to playing at our level. We don’t know, we can only speculate what goes on behind closed doors but perhaps successive managers have tried different methods and it now needs a shock to him. He reacted to LvG criticism and played well until his terrible injury. It’s about how he reacts now. Remember Busby put Law on the transfer list to bring him round.

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