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16 Jan 2018 12:51:26
BBC reporting that neither us or arsenal will agree to the sanchez transfer unless miki goes the other way.

No idea how much truth is in this, especially given how Ed02's previously stated that transfers involving money and an additional player are generally unlikely.

Imo if that's what's needes to get sanchez in I'd be more than happy, but it doesn't fill me with confidence for this transfer to happen.


1.) 16 Jan 2018 13:11:00
I can’t see it. I think miki will turn them down and it will go tits up.

2.) 16 Jan 2018 13:27:12
That's what in thinking. But then again, he must know now that he's not really wanted, so a move is going to be needed to reignite his career.

3.) 16 Jan 2018 13:28:18
Looks like it's other agents trying to scupper the Sanchez deal. If he comes brilliant . But let's not spend all January chasing a lost cause.

4.) 16 Jan 2018 17:15:59
It's being reported now it would be a straight player swap.

5.) 16 Jan 2018 17:51:52
Mhiki’s agent now stepping into the deal.

Enough said.

6.) 18 Jan 2018 13:22:23
Wenger saying deal is likely.



11 Jan 2018 12:53:59
Apparently we have put in a bid for Sanchez.

Made my day hearing that.





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31 May 2018 13:01:43
So, at the risk of making some people angry and possibly labeling myself as toxic, .

Who would take Zidane over jose right now?


1.) 31 May 2018 13:38:55
Yes, why don't we have new manager every 6 months. He's got a lovely romantic French name. Give him the job.

2.) 31 May 2018 13:11:57
Dont know if that would even be possible, what about the targets drawn up . in and out? backroom staff etc etc as its pretty obvious its a huge shock he only told perez yesterday which seems true as the media are completely shocked.

Anyway, the guy seems genuinely in need of a break by the sound of it, talking of the stress on him in recent interview.

Deschamps is not popular. can see ZZ gettign that gig if he wants it.

3.) 31 May 2018 14:22:25
Zidane is a fantastic motivator and can handle the Egos really well.

Jose is a fantastic motivator, tactician, analyst and ego handler.

I think if you asked Real Madrid fans which ones they preferred out of the two they'd say Jose.

4.) 31 May 2018 15:17:59
Jose was good at Real . Then it all imploded. Stats are good though. I bet he would go back if asked 😆😆.

5.) 31 May 2018 15:44:10
Supasub, I agree with the concept of what you've said, we definitely don't want to be constantly changing manager. But if we've got the decision wrong then there's no point sticking with it.

So wanting to keep jose is a reasonable opinion to hold, but not switching because we don't want to change managers too frequently is not a good reason to keep him on its own.

Personally I don't think firing jose to get Zz would be a good idea, but if a better manager comes along I've no qualms firing the guy.

6.) 31 May 2018 15:44:57
BfBW I agree, I don't think it's likely to happen. I don't think Zz would even want it, certainly not right now.

7.) 31 May 2018 15:22:49
swap deal then?

8.) 31 May 2018 16:04:42
Zidane needs a year out, this time next year we may be looking for a manager, who knows?

9.) 31 May 2018 16:08:53
Is zidane a good manager? He has just been coach. I would prefer Blanc over zidane as at least Blanc has played for United, and I liked the way PSG played when Blanc was there.

10.) 31 May 2018 16:11:13
And whilst we are doing swapsies. Bale for Smalling please . Also my lad needs Vardy and Ramos for his World Cup sticker book . He has Salah and A Shiney Iceland badge ⚽⚽😆😆⚽⚽.

11.) 31 May 2018 16:16:03
If the rumour is true and we’re looking at Arnautovic, then yes. We do not need another average player in our squad. He’s had one half decent season and is not worth the reported £50 million.
If this is the calibre of player Jose is after then I’d rather Moyes back!

12.) 31 May 2018 16:17:41
Zizou will replace Deschamps after the World Cup makes perfect sense.

13.) 31 May 2018 16:46:43
Heard he be managing Qatar at the next world cup. Big money on offer.

14.) 31 May 2018 17:23:40
Jose worked with Arnie before and he has stepped it up of late, it’s not all about wonderful names, Arnie may end up being a star or it may be pie in the sky, Just trust Jose, not like he’s not won things before is it.

15.) 31 May 2018 17:51:43
redD, I am not a Mourinho fan. I think he will ruin the club for another year and then get sacked. But if we are going to go for another manager, then why not promote from within, Carrick/ Scholes/ Neville/ Butt . Choice is very good.

16.) 31 May 2018 18:18:23
Triple A, I'm not Jose's biggest fan, but sacking him and giving the likes of neville etc the job is asking for mid table performance, lots of passion, but those guys aren't going to be as good as jose, not for about another 10 yrs. If one of them had been the number 2 for the last couple of years I'd be more comfortable with it, but just straight in with no real experience is asking for trouble. Neville didn't exactly set the world alight in his last managerial job.

17.) 31 May 2018 18:26:44
I’d sign Zidane as a player - he’d get a game in our midfield right now.

18.) 31 May 2018 19:31:35
Sorry AAA replacing Jose with one of the class of 92 would be one of the most sentimental and poorly thought out decisions the club could ever make. This obsession with appointing one of them is blinded by love for them. Managing Manchester United is a different beast to any team in the premier league, and on par with real, Barcelona and perhaps Bayern. People will allude to pep and Zidane being promoted from within but look at the quality of squad they inherited as opposed to what Neville or butt would inherit at united. The goal posts are not the same and unless they go and get some experience or work as an assistant to Jose/ whoever is manager, they should not be mentioned anywhere near the United Job. Whereas I would be happy to see Carrick be considered in the future if he is still part of the coaching team.

Now I’m not saying Jose is unsackable because they are several things he has said and done which may be construed as so. But at the end of the day we have made progress and he deserves another year. Again I don’t buy into the narrative he will ‘ruin’ the club for another year. We were in dire straits when he joined and I along with many fans feared we would vanish into obscurity. If he signs the likes of Fred, Alderweireld, Sandro, bale and perhaps savic, not even the most anti-Jose supporter can claim that he has left the club in a worse state than he inherited it.

Can I see us winning the league next year under him? Unfortunately I can see it being city’s. Am I looking forward to the season? Damn right I am because we will sign some very good players and I believe the style will improve. Will Jose have a third season meltdown? Perhaps, but let’s not write off the bloke before the season has even started. A bit of positivity would not go a miss from time to time.

I understand your concerns AAA but we could be in far worse situations such as the one Chelsea are currently in. I like Zidane and his record his staggering. If Jose is to leave then I would like him to be considered. The same for jardim, Poch, Tuchel or even Blanc who played some wonderful football at PSG. I feel zidane is destined to manage in the premier league, and who better than the biggest and most successful club in the country.

19.) 31 May 2018 19:52:38
Welsh Red Devil, I trust Jose that he has scouted and could potentially sign a future ‘star’ in Dalot. I would just rather us push one of the youth players like Chong into the first team and give them a squad number rather than blow £50 odd million on an average Prem player. He’s had 4-5 seasons in the Premier league and at 29 had shown nothing to say he would be a ‘star’ for Manchester United.
It baffles if we really are looking at Arnautovic.

20.) 31 May 2018 20:16:49
Park. I think Carrick will make a very good manager. But no one will know unless we try. No one thought zidane will make a manager, but he's done ok, hasn't he? Pep didn't have experience, but he's turned out ok.
I'm concerned about the attitude mourinho is adopting with players, fans, press, owners, refs, dinner ladies. He seems to want to fight with everyone. And his tactics will never be successful in this era. Football has moved on.
Re Neville, he took over a terrible valencia side that were bottom of the league and had been struggling badly. He had to go there, learn the language, acclamatise to the league, familiarize himself with the players and work on tactics against teams he didn't know a lot about. He knows our league inside out and will make an excellent assistant.
Only time will tell. But we could do a lot worse than having our successful and passionate ex players manage our team. let's face it, they can't be doing much worse than mourinho did against Brighton Huddersfield Newcastle Seville etc.

21.) 31 May 2018 20:24:33
I asked the question the other day . If Zidane is a great manager or was he a manager of a great team.

I think the team ran the show there, the team was every good as the one barcelona was under Guardiola.

Zidane will inspire players to work their socks off, he has the charisma about him but i don't know how strong he is tactically. He reminds me off Ancelloti, Ancelloti can inspire you in cup competitions but in the keague it takes a lot more then charisma you have to know your stuff tactically.

But hey i don't know anything i could be well off.

22.) 31 May 2018 20:34:32
AAA fair point about Neville I too think he would be an excellent assistant. I don’t think the Valencia debacle was a true reflection of his ability. But again he strikes me as someone who would be a better assistant than manager.

I do hope we start appointing managers who believe football should be played the United way. We have an identity which the last three managers have not endorsed during their careers. We should be hiring those that fit the traditions and ethos. I agree Jose doesn’t. He says some questionable things but again I feel like he gets an unfair rap from the press and fans. When he does something it’s blown way out of proportion. I think he is a manager we needed at this stage of our ‘rebuilding’ (hate this word) . I don’t think he will get us playing the United way. But I think he will make us effective and he will win. The next manager has to be very carefully picked. I would love Carrick to be groomed because he seems to be an extremely well respected member of the squad and an intelligent man. Time will tell but I think we both agree we really just want to see some sort of succession plan which is in keeping with the traditions and ethos of Manchester United.

23.) 31 May 2018 21:26:28
I think it's a bit of both with zidane. One champions league is lucky, 3 shows there's something about him.

I wouldn't be against giving him a crack when jose finishes up next year.

24.) 31 May 2018 23:52:58
Jose finishes contract and ZZ signs then.

25.) 01 Jun 2018 00:17:02
Agreed Park. I think the next manager has to know and respect the club's traditions. I think Carrick fits within that mould. Also, i honestly think g Neville will be a demanding and successful coach/ assistant. He's intelligent and not afraid to speak his mind. And if you cut him in half, he'll be United through and through.

26.) 01 Jun 2018 00:53:08
How on earth does Carrick even get a look in? Seems. like an intelligent chap, I'll give you that, and a quality player, but why one earth would we assume he has what it takes to manage one of the biggest clubs on earth, especially given the hatch scrutiny he'd be under, and the huge expectations.

I like the guy, but manager? I don't think so, maybe in 10 yrs, but bit yet.

27.) 01 Jun 2018 03:44:20
How about let's show a bit of loyalty.



29 May 2018 10:46:54
Personally, I couldn't care less about the money. If signing Bale has an impact on future transfers to the extent that we can't recruit as planned, then don't get him. But we are a very wealthy club, so if the finance guys say we can afford him and still sign other strong players, I say do it. From a purely entertainment perspective, I'd love him at the club, that's the one thing we've been most desperately lacking.


1.) 29 May 2018 17:34:17
Yep get in done . Make that statement 😆😆.



12 May 2018 08:43:30
Would love it if Carrick could bag a goal today. Would be great for his final game. But we'll probably draw 0-0.

Also hoping one of Rashford or Martial can have a blinder and make a case for a starting place in the final. Both of those two have a tendency to run hot and cold, surely we're due a hot streak sometime soon.


1.) 12 May 2018 09:41:27
In training or is it Sunday there.

2.) 12 May 2018 09:47:27
Dotn see what martial has to prove to anyone, he was playing very well up until january when a certain alexis sanchez arrived. Performances against arsenal, watford and spurs were top level when we played 3-5-2 and he got to link up with lukaku and lingard through the middle.



01 May 2018 11:25:10
Allegri bookies favourite for nest arsenal manager.

Just thinking back to wolhat ed02 has said and wondering if we'd be better off if we had waited for him instead of jumping the gun and getting jose.

I guess time will tell.

I do believe jose will have us winning more silverware though. Another transfer window, a few more of his signings and we'll no doubt improve.

I also believe that as he becomes more confident in our defensive work we'll see more freedom for the forwards to express themselves, which should also lead to more attractive football.

Should be an interesting season ahead and I hope arsenal do get Allegri, just to see what we'd be missing.


1.) 01 May 2018 11:40:24
Think you’re right Red: he’s played cautious football because he hasn’t been able to fully trust the defence. When that’s more solid, I think it’ll be more attacking too.

2.) 01 May 2018 13:15:10
Jose has always played cautious football no matter what he thinks of the defence he has. That won't change, Jose won't change he hasn't in 20 years, he won't now.

3.) 01 May 2018 13:33:33
Any plan which involves having LVG as our manager for 3 years is a bad plan.

4.) 01 May 2018 13:48:26
Didn't his Real Madrid team get the record number of goals in a La Liga season? I would take that if we are cautious.

5.) 01 May 2018 13:49:42
Agreed shappy, but it I think it will be more attacking than it is now, just not exactly pep/ klopp levels of attacking play.

6.) 01 May 2018 13:59:39
Why should he change? His style has bought him tons of success.

7.) 01 May 2018 16:24:35
I don't get the love in with Allegri. Another cautious manager, managing in a poor league with a team that has won the league six years on the trot. There is no competition in Italy. Only Napoli have given Juve some competition.
We need a manager with some attacking ideas if we're to replace Mourinho. Or better still, send Mourinho's assistant, Faria, to arsenal and get Liverpool's assistant Zeljko Buvac to become Mourinho's right hand man and get us playing more aggressive and attacking football.

8.) 01 May 2018 17:20:00
Purely on looks, I'd take the Atletico Assistant in a heart beat (German Burgos), he looks like a real monster and would turn a few of our boys into men in no time!

9.) 01 May 2018 18:09:56
GDS, one swallow does not a summer make.

Once in 20 years has Mourinho thrown off the shackles. And many will tell you in that season against half decent teams he still had one eye on defence.

Bare in mind in that Real Madrid side he had Ronaldo at the peak of his powers, Bale before he got injured by every passing blade of grass, Benzema had his best ever season and Modirc was also at his best. They had 5-6 truly world class players at their peaks.

Next season will be more of the same from Mourinho, hopefully we can turn silly dropped points into wins, and City won't be quite as brilliant. But don't expect Mourinho to turn into an offensive manager.

10.) 01 May 2018 18:43:13
Did he have bale? That season i don't think so.

11.) 01 May 2018 19:00:24
Did he have modric that season? I don't think so.
It was a good team. With Ronaldo benzema ozil kaka (hardly played) higuhin marcello Alonso pepe ramos arbeloa casillas lots of really top class players not too many world class but they did have a great season breaking lots of long standing records they still stand today.

12.) 01 May 2018 22:37:28
Tell us about bale getting injured that season shappy or how modric was at his best. Your normally so quick to reply with your stats ed the ones you make up off the top of your head😂😂😂😂.

13.) 02 May 2018 00:04:24
I should bloody hope against half decent teams he had one eye on defence, that’s how to play, surely nobody has any issue with how we play against the top teams as long as we get the results, it is the lacklustre performances against the weaker teams that are the problem. If we won 5-0 2 weeks on the run then defended for our lives and won 1-0 against City I’m sure people would accept that.



18 Apr 2018 17:04:20
Sent by accident.

To continue.

What did the fans labeled as toxic do. And how was it allowed to happen?

I searched this site tons at the time to try and figure it out, but beyond the broad concept outlines I couldn't find any details and like many others we're really curious and interested to find out.

Does any other posted have any more details or can they find posts where 02 explained it?


1.) 18 Apr 2018 18:10:08
I believe just constant moaning about how rubbish we were, people like me calling for LVG to be sacked, and general consistent negative comments. Stuff that fans of clubs like Everton and others are doing right now, but our complaints were 10X more appropriate. I also read people connected to the club were not happy as well, which I think carries a million times more weight than 'random aliases' bitching and moaning for good reason online.

Imagine if Woody and Co were at Arsenal instead of Utd, Wenger should be counting his lucky stars.

I have no reason to doubt the long terms plans were in place and they were ruined, I think they forget they run a football club though and our club reeks of weakness, indecision and desperation - so what stock to put in those plans is questionable and why do you have to go through football hell to reach football heaven, it confuses me?!

I'd really love to see what sponsors, broadcasters etc were saying to the club behind closed doors under LVG - that will not have been helpful either I imagine and again will have been a lot more toxic to the club as it hurts their bottom line rather than just 'feelings'. Truth is vorboten it seems in this day and age if it is anything other than positivity!

2.) 18 Apr 2018 18:14:54
Type toxics into the search engine and go back to dec 15/ jan 16 its all there still, ed002 predicted what would happen so i'm not sure why people would question him, whether people agree or not us fans just need to accept it and move on.

3.) 18 Apr 2018 19:27:20
You talk my language Beast. Sick of people who are ok with mediocrity.

4.) 18 Apr 2018 19:27:42
I do recall the warnings of what would happen if fans pushed for a LVG exit. Don’t get me wrong, the football was really poor but I was happy to know Max Allegri was coming in and the club had a plan. Again I do love Jose and he’s a great coach and would love nothing more for it all to walk out but obvs isn’t all rosy. Wonder if the club has plans beyond Jose like it did beyond LVG?

5.) 18 Apr 2018 20:58:35
Or jusr search on google on the word toxic and use your logic to understand what a toxic fan would sound like.

6.) 18 Apr 2018 21:24:18
Singh, that's bit unfair. Are you telling me a few fans complaining made all the difference? That doesn't make sense, although if 02 says that's what caused it I'll believe him.

Or was it the majority of the fan base being very unhappy with performances?

The way "the toxics" are frequently referred to makes it sound like something more than just general dissatisfaction.

I've reviewed the posts from 2015/ 16 and 02 clearly explains the situation with lvg, Allegri, long term plan etc and that "the toxics" are ruining it and forcing the board to completely change their plans.

At no point is it explained exactly what that means.

Take arsenal as an example, look at the negativity Wenger gets. Is that the same thing? Were a large portion of our fans worse? Is it something more? If it's the same thing, the arsenal board haven't got rid of Wenger, so why did our board listen to a bunch of unhappy fans?

This is what I mean when I say it doesn't make sense and I don't understand it.

7.) 18 Apr 2018 23:07:35
None of us understand it, i think it’s best we just move on, the term ‘toxics’ is pretty offensive to be honest and hopefully it is aimed at other people we don’t know about rather than us on here. The debate below ended in some pretty nasty things being said that were uncalled for and really not needed, I’m hoping Danny Lancs still posts on here as he’s one of the best we have and has some very good points and debates.

What happened is in the past, we didn’t do the plan, we move on.

8.) 19 Apr 2018 10:25:21
Red D nothing personal. Just tried diffusing the situation. Forget about everything and move on.

Enjoy the sunny weather this week.




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16 Jan 2018 13:27:12
That's what in thinking. But then again, he must know now that he's not really wanted, so a move is going to be needed to reignite his career.




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01 Jul 2016 19:30:05
Just listening to him talk in the interview, I see what people mean when they say people are winners. Even in conversation it's all he focuses on. Definitely going to be a positive force in the dressing room.




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01 Jul 2016 16:45:38
I'm not trying to piss people off. But I'm curious how unusual it is for a player to move to a club that isn't his first choice.

In the real world lots of us work for companies that don't even reach our top 100 first choices.

I suppose if di Maria is anything to go off, it typically ends badly when you're a highly paid elite footballer.




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01 Jul 2016 16:20:11
Let be put it anither way Ed.

Previously you said this :

{Ed002's Note - The deal is simple - if MU pay way more than one would expect for the player and way, way, way, over the odds in fees, they might be able to sign a player who wants to move to Real Madrid. }

Given that comment and the fact we may now sign him, I'm asking 2 things.

1. Is this a case of utd paying way over the odds compared to what other clubs are prepared to pay?

2. How unusual is it for a big player to not get his first choice club, and how much of a problem would you expect that to cause when playing for his 2nd / 3rd etc choice club?


{Ed002's Note - The situation is as I explained. And it changes nothing in terms of what I said.}



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01 Jul 2016 15:59:40
Ed002, 2hats your thoughts on it? Is this a case of utd being stupid enough to pay more than anyone else, as you've previously suggested, or do you think this has the potential to be a good deal?

I may be being a but stupid, as you've said he doesn't want to come here and that RM is his preference, but I don't know how common it is for a big name player to not go straight to his preferred choice and as such the potential trouble it can cause.


{Ed002's Note - I don't understand your post at all. I have explained that after a meeting on Tuesday it may be clearer in terms of what will be happening. I have no idea what you are prattling on about nor what you find confusing from my very short and very simple comment.}




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10 Aug 2018 17:23:01
Sanchez brace and 2 from midfield. 4-0.




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10 Aug 2018 09:32:01
Just replying so I can see my name to enter the comp, forgot what it was.




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08 Aug 2018 13:15:27
If sanchez and Pogba play to their full potential, I don't actually think we need anyone else.

Sure, we could improve in several areas, but with those two on fire, providing concistent chances to lukaku, we should still very much be in the mix in the league.

The worry is that if they don't consistently perform at the top of their game, we're going to struggle, and so far I have no reason to expect that they will, but I have plenty of hope.




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08 Aug 2018 12:09:57
Agree with op.

The most painful thing here is how we all so readily agree that pool are going to finish above us.

I can handle them finishing above us, what I can't handle is the limp toothless performances that allow it to happen.




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01 Aug 2018 09:33:27
I think sanchez has played well all preseason. I'd actually prefer to have him playing to his full potential than have another shiny new player. I think an in form sanchez could be the difference maker and creative spark we need.