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01 Nov 2018 21:36:19
Teams for the Matt Hawker Charity Cup 2019 - brought to you by Boyne Valley
15th June 2019

Ed001's - Lee's United

( C ) Ken
Benny Baller
Liver1980
Rustler
John From Wigan
LeeLee14
Magic Marl
23carragold
Crouchy
Red Reaper
BXL RED
Saints-fan (GK)
Salah

Ed002's - Frunobulax Rovers
( C ) Koppite_68
Red Rout
Grandmaster Ramrod (GK)
Atko1982
Shappy
WelshScouse
WhiteYAYA
Mermaid Megger
Morro6590
Cotsi
Groomy5
MK scouser
Jamesmack8

Big thanks to 077 for setting up the live chat, and to 001 and 002 for giving their time, and once again, supporting the football-rumours charity match, in aid of Macmillan Nurses and Seva Foundation.

Would love an attendance from fellow posters. I know most of use will be going out for some bevvies after. So well worth the trip guys.

Shappy

1.) 02 Nov 2018 15:05:33
Don't worry Shaps, I got your back.


2.) 02 Nov 2018 16:43:52
And watch yours james😁.

{Ed002's Note - I'll have a large gin and tonic please.}


3.) 02 Nov 2018 17:28:15
I think there might be more United fans on our team. So I guess the site will have to be on our side. lol.


 

 

17 Jul 2018 11:05:15
169 Goals at this years World Cup. Which means I'd like to invite.
Salah - 167
Jamesmack8 - 165
Red Reaper - 162
Laney - 160

To play in the 2019 Matt Hawker charity game.
Thanks to everyone who had a guess, and any drop outs I'll contact the next closest.

Next phase will be when Ed001 and 002 pick their two tribes to go to war.
We did a live chat where they took turns picking last year, I think we did it around November? So let's aim for then :)

Posted on behalf of Benny Baller.

Shappy

{Ed002's Note - I'll get on to the kits then.}


1.) 17 Jul 2018 14:09:58
Last time Salah will win anything this season ;)


 

 

03 Feb 2017 14:43:44
What do people make of the rumour this morning that along with Rooney that Martial maybe sold to raise funds for Griezmann?

Things don't seem quite right with Martial this season, he doesn't seem to have the trust of Jose, he has had an unsettled life off the pitch. He was unhappy about losing the No.9 shirt, and his agent was making noises about going to Sevilla on loan.

Our interest in Griezmann seems pretty solid, and the questoon was if he signed who would miss out?

Martial looks a prime candidate for being the one to miss out so maybe the club will look to move him on. Would be sad to see him go as he has so much potential.

Shappy

1.) 03 Feb 2017 15:40:16
If the reports are true that he refused to warm up before the hull game and his attitude stinks then I think we should get rid regardless of how talented he is.

Plenty more players that would jump at the chance to be in his position.


2.) 03 Feb 2017 15:59:17
I can see them both going Shappy, not sure if that is "too raise funds" but it's a nicer way of putting it than "no longer good enough and not professional/ mature enough", to be honest if we expect to be at the top there are about 10 players that need to be replaced with superior ones. Too many of our players have gotten away with simply plodding along for too long and a few others are not progressing or coming to the end of their careers/ effectiveness.

I could list them, but it would be one hell of a long list, more messy than ever when you look at each player in our squad and ask "are they good enough to be a regular starter in a title winning team"? .


3.) 03 Feb 2017 16:03:58
If griezmann comes in someone will have to move on and i think it could be martial .
I don't think rooney going would be tied in to griezmann and i don't think united need to sell to buy .


4.) 03 Feb 2017 16:31:02
If he refuses to try harder it is consistently unprofessional regarding his place in the squad then, after being given a fair chance to improve, he needs to move in. Shane, as very talented.

However, media loves to create mischief with United stories, so hopefully it's something that Mouribgo can successfully address.


5.) 03 Feb 2017 16:31:36
Martial is lazy when he hasn't got the ball. There is no movement from him. He just stands there with his shoulders slumped looking fed up, his body language is awful. I think this is why Jose states he has to do more to earn his place.


6.) 03 Feb 2017 16:43:44
Dave, I'm not sure that's true. Mourinho is a team man and he wouldn't stand for that kind of attitude. Its disrespectful to your team mates and creates a bad atmosphere.

I can see why people might consider Martial sulky, he does have a very sullen look about him. He rarely smiles even when he scores.

I think if he really was like that then we might have heard something about it before rather than the press waiting until Mourinho drops him to suddenly start telling the world what he was like.

Beast, will you ever be happy? Were you ever happy with the team? So are you suggesting that DDG is the only player you'd keep? Beyond that we need a whole new 21/ 22 players to build a good squad? A little bit of an over reaction isn't? I'm starting tk think that you would be saying the same things if you were a fan of any other club in the world, everything is being done wrong in your opinion.

Jred, I don't think the club needs to sell to buy, but the wages could be an issue. Martial being sold would help balance the books considering how much Griezmann would cost and the fact that we would probably look to bring in another 3-4 players as well as Greizmann. That could well be close to 200m being spent. We would probably need to recoupe around 100m of that, which means we would need at least one big sale. I think Rooney leaving is more about freeing up the wages rather than any fee we would recieve.

{Ed007's Note - Wazza will get a bumper new contract extension before the summer ;-)


7.) 03 Feb 2017 16:51:03
Hi shaps. I really hope martial will be kept, many sources have claimed he wants to stay and is happy. I think he has gotten better and obviously things happened in the summer that unsettled his person.

I would actually move on ibra to be honest, it would allow a front 4 of martial, rash, griezmann and miki. Much more pace and flexibility. I really like ibra but feel that 1 year was enough and hopefully some of the younger players have learned from him.


8.) 03 Feb 2017 17:11:21
I'd love to know who reported it dave. It's not the first time this season that he hasn't warmed up.

Is this like the story last week where he supposedly didn't go to training? That was a load of crap.


9.) 03 Feb 2017 17:33:59
I said last week, all of sudden everything that happens will be down to martial's attitude. People jump on a comment and then it snow balls.


10.) 03 Feb 2017 17:52:27
Shappy - Well I'm not happy scrapping for 4th place every year mate, so yeah the squad needs a cull. If I were in charge which is what I think you are asking, then the only ones I would keep for the starting 11 (most of our team are squad players at best) .

DDG, Jones, Bailly, Miki, Herrera (on the edge) - none of the rest would make it in my first team. If they pulled their fingers out then Shaw, Martial, Pogba and Ibra would potentially. All the rest of them can go as far as I'm concerned. Players like Rojo, Valencia, Carrick, do well but they should be squad players at best now.

So yeah, I'm not very happy, because too many people beat around the bush. Whinge about not being positive, but if you take a step back it's pretty messy. We need 4-5 top signings and being suitable if Jose isn't going to change how we play.


11.) 03 Feb 2017 19:52:59
Beast would it be possible for you to produce a squad list that you would expect us to have as our current one is so clearly lacking (please be some what realistic)


12.) 03 Feb 2017 20:02:51
Martial was miserable and moody last year but he was playing well so we just accepted it. Now his form has dropped its become a big issue. Only those inside the club know how big an attitude he has but you're either a team player or you're not. If he is let's keep him, if not let's sell him.


13.) 03 Feb 2017 20:28:03
Coleman RB, Rose LB, Vidal CM, Griezzman 2nd striker, wingers are tricky, but I would push Valencia up and give Martial/ Miki a chance to shine with better players on the left or right, they can tuck in well and support the strikers with full backs flying forward. I'd stick with Ibra with 4-4-2. Then hunt for wingers in the next window if necessary.

Those are 4 key signings in the summer I'd make, £175m-£200m. Let go of Mata, Darmian, Shaw, Fellaini, Lingard, Rooney - probably recoup £80-£100m from those, wages would even themselves out roughly.


14.) 03 Feb 2017 20:52:30
Beast, the change from Sir Alex was always going to be tricky, watch Arsenal struggle when Wenger moves on.

You can't have 27 years of one manager and expect a smooth transistion.

Personally I feel a squad is made up of many different players of different levels of talent, fight and personality.

The kind of player you seem to want is a Roy Keane type fighter, but a squad of 25 Keanes would tear itself apart.

Even the most successful squads have bit part players, guys who might not have the same quality as the others but offer something different.

I think on the whole our squad is pretty decent. We are still three or four players away from having a first team capable of functioning as fluidly as Mourinho would like.

I feel the real issue with our team is still the balance at the back. I think we lack real quality full backs, I inclued Valencia and Shaw in that. Shaw has potential, but bar a handful of games at the start of last season we haven't seen him come close to reaching it. Valencia has been a stand out performer this season, but is 31 years old and still his delivery from the flank is erractic and he still gets caught out defensively at times.

I feel the other areas we stuggle is top class holding midfielder, Carrick is well into his twilight years and can't cover as much ground as he used to, and still for me hasn't shaken off the safety first passing of the LvG era. I also feel we need a long term partner for Bailly, someone who can play the ball out of defence quickly and accurately.

I think we are well covered in the goalkeeping department.

I think Blind, Smalling, Jones and Rojo are decent squad defenders. Tuanzebe, TFM and CBJ offer hope for the future.

I think we need a true defensive midfielder, but beyond that Pogba, Herrera, Blind and Fellaini offer good options. Carrick and Schweinsteiger offer experience, and I like the look of both TFM and Andreas Pereira as young options coming though. Its a good balance.

I think for the most part our forward options look very good. In the long term we will need a replacement for Rooney/ Ibrahimovic as a central striking option. And depending on the development of Martial, Rashford and Lingard maybe another option, possibly someone more like a true wide man rather than a striker playing wide or a No.10 shunted out wide.

We have a lot of very good young players, Bailly, Shaw, Tuanzebe, TFM, Pereira, Lingard, Martial and Rashford.
We need to see how these players develop before we can right any of them off.

I don't think the squad is that far off a really top one to be honest.


15.) 03 Feb 2017 21:22:59
Agree with a lot of that mate. Trouble is we aren't playing to the strengths of our squad and we have too many squad players, or players that put in a lot of 6/ 7 out 10 performances but not too many regularly putting in the 8/ 9 out of 10's.

We have a lot of passengers, waiting for somebody to do something, too happy to leave it to the next guy and do the easy thing. Ironically the two magical players we signed are the biggest passengers of the bunch. We need 2 or 3 players with that drive an urgency, that will encourage the rest of the team to work, run off the ball, not always think safety first.

We aren't far away, but 4-5-1 is a bad formation because it's a balancer, teams like Hull, Stoke can match up and it's hard to break them down. 4-4-2, will mean it upsets those teams, opens us up but means they have to attack and that leaves space.

We need to be a bit cleverer and a bit more energetic. But we need to replace some of those squad players with top class players in their position, too many average players.


16.) 03 Feb 2017 21:37:02
I think our forward line is one of our biggest issues they can't score and struggle to hold onto the ball or be the first line of defence. Just way too many slow old average players. We lack real quality throughout the team. If we all picked our favourite team from Europe assuming we were still in it we wouldn't have a player in it. ( maybe a keeper) That's criminal for the richest club on the planet.


17.) 04 Feb 2017 12:36:29
We don't need to raise funds. That's Woodys job an he's good at it.

Young, Rooney, Darmian, rojo could all be off come summer. Bastian probably as well.

If Griezmann comes in he'd be first choice with zlatan maybe taking a back seat.


18.) 06 Feb 2017 20:08:45
Agree with a lot of that and players are only running on 6/ 10 apart from bailly, Herrera, Jones, Miki and rojo which you lot want axed? Is he not good to have as cover?

We need a vote here too see how many believe griezmann will make it at UTD and not turn into another Forlan.

AG fits well into the way AM play. We do not play like AM and I think it will take AG a season to play well.


19.) 08 Feb 2017 19:20:01
AG is probably one of the only players in world football who can hold a candle to Messi and ronaldo.

I am quite sure he would be able to fit into any team, he is that good.


 

 

26 May 2016 10:33:08
I hope there is some substance in this Manolas rumour. For me he is probably about the best option open to us. Strong, quick, great in the air, excellent reader of the game. A no nonsense type defender but one with good technique and a communicator and leader at the back.

He is the kind of centre back we can pair with anyone and he'll work well with them.

I'd still want to see someone else come in, Varane, Marquinhos, Stones or Bartra would work well with Manolas.

In fact for someone like Stones who has a mistake in him, and who needs to improve the defensive side of his game having a player such as Manolas alongside him and Mourinho on the touchline could be the making of him. I've been wary of Stones as I don't think he would improve our defence atm, but if he was brought in alongside Manolas then it could work well.

Shappy

1.) 26 May 2016 12:15:01
Two CBs are a priority. Signing just one would leave us at risk. I really rate Varane but to sign an English player in Stones is very tempting.

Although if Roshaun Williams and Tuazenbe get promoted and play some games this season that would be an added bonus.


2.) 26 May 2016 12:34:52
I think TFM could also be played at CB under Mourinho. I'd be quite happy to sign Manolas and Bartra a could of lads in their mid twenties to leave space for the likes of TFM, Williams and Tuazenbe to fullfil the roles of talented young players.

I wouldn't be gutted if we signed Stones or Marquinhos, but given their ages it would make it far more difficult for the young CB's coming through as players like Stones or Marqunihos are only a couple of years older than them.


3.) 26 May 2016 12:47:31
For manolas just read otamendi.


4.) 26 May 2016 13:27:27
Agree Manolas is one of the best options available. Mainly because he's one of the only options who compliments what we currently have. His qualities blend well with Smalling's. Shaw, Manolas, Smalling and hopefully a rejuvenated Darmian has the making of a top back line. But agree that an extra centre back would be even better.


 

 

11 Sep 2015 14:12:13
I think people get too hung up over player contracts.

Yes it is excellent news that DDG has signed a new deal, why? Because it now means he will probably play most of our games this season, and with him being one of if not the best keeper in the world atm it certainly makes our team stronger.

The length of a players contract has very little baring on how long a player will stay at a club. Think of it like this 90% of player moves involve a player who is under contract, only around 10% of players see out the full duration of their contracts.

DDG may leave next summer or the summer after that or the one after that. Only two things are certain.
One he will leave at some point, be it either in his prime, the twilight of his career or through retirement.
And two him having a deal with the club means he will be available to play for thr club this season.
Beyond that who knows. Ultimately when he leaves we will look for a replacement. And hopefully it will he someone as good or even better than him.

And for those who say it was all about the money? Probably, isn't the money one of the biggest factors in your career?

But on a serious note, I think he is happy in Manchester, but has a girlfriend who would benefit from having her more famous boyfriend with her on social events in Spain, and an agent who wants to make money.

As it stands he will earn more money and based on his performances he probably deserves it, and he will probably stay at the club for a few more years.

Now let's just sit back and appreciate the fact we have one of the best keepers in the world playing for us. let's enjoy it.

Shappy

1.) 11 Sep 2015 14:28:55
i don't buy in to all the family stuff i just think like a lot of players he wanted to play for madrid.
that looks to be of the cards so he has took the cash and stopped at united.

great news for us


2.) 11 Sep 2015 15:28:47
Jred, from what I heard his family thought it better he stay in Manchester considering the circus that goes on in Madrid.
I think it was his girlfriend and maybe his agent who seemed most keen on his moving to Madrid.

I also think Madrid have been trying everything they can to clear themselves from any blame over the collapse of his move so as to make sure they didn't burn any bridges knowing that it was possible he would sign a new deal. I expect now he has signed a new deal Madrid will become very quiet over his non move.


3.) 11 Sep 2015 18:44:10
Well done Shappy, couldn't agree more (other than the bit about deserving the money. No one deserves that amount of money, especially for playing a game. It's not exactly saving lives or advancing humanity. )

But yes you're right, let's enjoy that he's staying and accept that he will probably be gone in the next season or two. Wise words mate.


4.) 11 Sep 2015 20:18:05
Have to disagree with ihatefootball's opinion on players deserving the amount of money they get paid. When you look at the massive amounts the teams are earning through apparel and jersey sales, ticket sales, concessions, Champions League- the players deserve every penny they can get. Nobody pays to watch us kick about on the weekends. They pay to watch the best players in the world at their jobs.

When you hear about players like Messi paying a sick childs medical bills how can you find a complaint with how much they earn?

{Ed007's Note - Aye, it's not every sick kid that can get a football club to pay for private 'treatments'.}


5.) 11 Sep 2015 22:28:03
Maybe I am attributing ill motives to RM, but it seemed to me that their tactic was to maximise the chance that they could sign de Gea for free in 2016. They have failed. I congratulate the powers that be in Utd for standing firm.
So, what abut Monaco? I have yet to see any report that the total fee for Martial is not extortionate. They will need a replacement. Why not make sure that the price that they pay is also excessive? When they identify the replacement, put in a higher bid , but graciously allow them to better it (or not). Make good use of Utd's financial muscle.
Red Setter


6.) 11 Sep 2015 23:01:45
I'm sorry??? You what??? You agree that players should get paid £200,000 a week for kicking a ball around some grass? Best at their job in the world maybe but at kicking a ball round a field. It is DISGUSTING the amount of money they are paid. Can you not put it into perspective? Get a grip!

{Ed007's Note - You can't blame the players, what do you expect them to say? 'Here never mind that £100k a week plus appearance money, goal scoring bonus and image rights, give me £2k a week and a leased Ford Focus?'
Blame Sly TV for the mess football is in, we expect the players to work as hard as some guy sitting welding all day and putting a hard shift in, why shouldn't they do what the welder does and weld where he gets paid the most.
I really can't lay the blame at the crazy wages going around on players, it's the people providing the money and the people distributing it that need to look at it.
Years ago the clubs held all the power but now it's swung to the players calling the shots, what we need to find is a happy medium but sadly I think it's went too far now and that's never going to happen.
For anyone over 30, football is never going to be the same or as enjoyable ever again for us, and that breaks my heart.}


7.) 12 Sep 2015 06:17:47
Ihatefootball- i do understand your point. If you think of it in its basic terms as just a game with grown men out in a field kicking a ball then it's absolutely rediculous. The reality is football is a business and they are the star attractions in an industry that generates billions.

In any business you have to spend in order to have a competitive advantage over your competition and I'm proud to support the club and am thrilled they are investing back in the team to buy or keep some of the worlds best players. Without De Gea we probably wouldn't be in the Champions League which is worth millions to the club.

Ed007 I'd love to find a happy medium, but as long as club profits continue to raise then I'd imagine player wages will as well.

{Ed002's Note - There are constraints within FFP in respect of the wages.}


8.) 12 Sep 2015 08:59:34
Rumours in Spain that there is a release clause for 50 million in the contract.


9.) 15 Sep 2015 12:57:49
He signed a contract out of respect but there will be a clause in the contract that if real madrid put in such an such amount then he goes. let's not get hard ons over it


 

 

 

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12 Nov 2018 14:00:33
I don't get this current idea that Jose should be allowed to keep signing experienced players without question or second thought.

When the club signs a player they sign them on a 4-5 year contract. Jose only has a contract until 2020. So any signings we make will likely be here longer than him. So the club needs to be sure that the players they sign will be of value beyond Jose's time at the club.

Of course Jose only cares about himself and therefore, that the players are of use to him. He doesn't help progress or develop young players as they will reach a point where they will be at their best after Jose has gone.

I'll use a an example. In Jose's second summer the club was looking for a new defensive midfielder. If you believe the press it came down to two names, Nemanja Matic and Eric Dier.

Now when we signed Matic many proclaimed him to be the better player. During his first season many thought we had signed the better of the two.

However, who would still say the same now? What about next season or the season after that?

Do you feel the club will be able to move Matic on in the next year or two or will the club be stuck with a player past his best on high wages. That player and his high wages may in fact limit the club on bringing in other players.

As was alluded to during the summer, when it was suggested the club needed to move players on to free up wages and space in the squad before they could seriously invest.

So would Dier or Matic have been the better signing in hindsight?

That is all the club is doing when putting the blocks on signing players for the here and now and not ones with a future.

Also saying the manager who has spent the second highest amount in the history of world football at one club has been denied money is rather disingenuous.

Shappy

1.) 12 Nov 2018 15:19:25
That is a very good argument for having a director of football, to make sure that transfers are in accordance with a longer term philosophy. Right now that role presumably falls to Ed Woodward whose record thus far - over the course of 3 managers - is hardly stellar.

The real questions one has to ask is why are we finding it so difficult to locate and appoint someone, and is there any link between that failure and the inferior quality of so many of our signings for a period that goes back into the later Ferguson years?


 

 

03 Oct 2018 13:00:44
So there is a good chance that we will be looking for a new manager before the season is out. This saddens me, I am no fan of Mourinho at our club (although I do appreciate what he has achieved in football) . What saddens me is it highlights just how far away we are from the club I fell in love with. It would be our forth manager in six years, that isn't the approach that has brought us so much success in the past.

Our club is different and we need to embrace that if we are to move forward. I think many of us have fallen into the trap of believing our club is something its not. We have never had success by buying the best players in the world. It doesn't matter if we can afford them or not. Under Sir Alex the big name stars often flattered to deceive. Veron anyone?

We have seen it even more so since Sir Alex has retired. Di Maria, Schweinsteiger, Falcao, Zlatan, Pogba and Sanchez. These players do not succeed at our club. The best signings we make are the young lads who we work closely with to help them become great players. We are a club that creates greatness rather than one that rides on the coattails of other greats.

This is the same with managers, both LvG and Mourinho have arguably the best CV's in world football. Both had achieved so much in football before coming to United. Both continued to achieve at our club, an FA cup, league cup and Europa League cup show this. However, neither are considered successes at our club.

We need to avoid looking for this great white knight to come in and save our club. We need to find the right person with the right mentality, the right focus and the right philosophy that aligns with our club.

Going for manager such as Zidane and Conte is making the same mistake as going for players like Sanchez and Pogba. Sure they have a big name, but that comes a big ego. And our club rarely is able to exist successfully alongside such egos for long.

If we are to be successful then it has to be the United way.

Shappy

1.) 03 Oct 2018 13:16:45
We have hired three bad managers on the bounce, (bad for a club built on attacking principles and needing a refresh) . Top players are failing because of the way they are being asked to play compared to the way they played before we signed them.

Be optimistic Shappy not sad. The club is in trouble, but we have the resources and base to get out of it. We just need to be decisive. Rio worked, RVN worked, Rooney worked, Keane worked, Cole worked. The big money flops under SAF were few and far between because we played in a way that suited the way they wanted to play.

We need a refresh, I'm just happy that almost everybody accepts this now so the change won't take long to occur. I have a feeling that the next guy we hire will be a breath of fresh air and bring back the joy in watching our team play. I'm very happy that the toxics are back because without things turning toxic people won't bother to clean up the mess!


2.) 03 Oct 2018 13:19:51
If I remember rightly shappy it took Alex 5/ 6 years before he won his first trophy and they also had a press conference ready for the game against forest to fire Ferguson but robbins came to his rescue and the rest is history. The point I'm making is being utd doesn't give you the right to win trophy automatically you have to earn the right to win them, and buying the best player doesn't mean it's going to work with your team, examples pogba and Sanchez. It comes down to hard work and building from the ground up like utd use to do and it's what liverpool is trying to do now.


3.) 03 Oct 2018 13:27:04
Our club isn't different. The club needs bug name, media friendly, money making machines. Football isn't about football anymore and it is clubs like ours who are responsible for that.

All that is achieved by nostalgia is disappointment.


4.) 03 Oct 2018 14:06:38
Shappy I understand the sentiment I really do but hasn't our success been built on two great managers? Apart from that we've been perennial underachievers, sleeping giants and perhaps that's what scares me the most about our current predicament.

Red Man wrote a brilliant post the other day basically saying a similar thing but in a more detailed and eloquent way.

Do we really have a footballing philosophy, a commitment to developing our own players, a real desire to be the very best or was that just the vision of two brilliant managers?

Until we find the next genius do we just sleepwalk into mediocrity, continually making the wrong choices and being too afraid to admit when it's not working.

The vision for our Club comes from the owners. They appoint the managers, assign the budget, sign the players, set the agenda. They remain deafly silent as we jump from one crisis to the next. There is only one place we're heading at the moment and that's into hibernation.


 

 

29 Sep 2018 21:21:43
Just a quick one from me. Everyone knows I am not Jose's biggest fan, I never wanted him. I said so before we got him, I was shouted down by many on here at the time. However, low and behold I may have been right.

That being said, now is not the time to sack him. The atmosphere is becoming toxic and us fans are making it worse by allowing ourselves to be sucked in to it, then perpetuating it.

Jose does need to leave, but not now, not like this. We are in this message because we forced the club to changes managers at the wrong time. It doesn't matter who we bring in mid season we aren't going to challenge for the title when we are already 9 points off top spot. Can you really see City dropping 10 points more than us over the rest of the season regardless of who is managing us? As upsetting as it is this season is a write off already. I said it might be at the end of last season. I said Jose and third seasons don't end well.

But we need to rally around, back the manager and allow the club to put the right structure in place before Jose leaves so the next manager can be the right one, with the right support and the right structure to put our club back on top of the pile.

We need to set aside our emotion before we burn the club down from the inside.

Shappy

1.) 29 Sep 2018 21:37:52
I don't get that argument shappy we then go through the whole I need to assess my squad first next season . Let a guy assess it when we are already unlikely to win anything not wait until later, the likes of pogba and martial may or may not leave but let a new guy assess that not have things like that already decided for him .


2.) 29 Sep 2018 21:43:50
Jose will survive this . The press have hounded him in recent months almost like a member of the royal family. Pogba has to go he is now Toxic a disease growing week after week. SAF would probably have sacked him but due to his price tag we are stuck. I would humiliate him by sticking him in PL2 for the rest of his time with us. World cup winner to zero. PSG his only option if you ask me . Jose is now the only guy who can sort this 😆😆.


3.) 29 Sep 2018 21:48:28
I don't expect us to challenge for the title again as long as the glazers own the club.

I don't expect the next appointment to be right as long as we have a man clueless about football making football decisions.

Whoever comes in, whether its this week, this season or next summer does not need to assess the squad. Its perfectly obvious to anyone, including Stevie wonder, what the issues with this squad are.

Whoever comes in needs proper backing. Not just in bringing players in but in shifting them out.

We need a proper long term strategy and a proper football person making the decisions. But I won't hold my breath.


4.) 29 Sep 2018 22:18:41
I think the majority of fans didn't want him to be honest.


5.) 29 Sep 2018 22:19:12
Sorry Shappy I can't agree, the fans have not forced the Club into sacking managers at the wrong time. They did this to themselves. It's not the fans fault Moyes was inept, it's not the fans fault LVG outlawed forward passes. If they'd had finished in the top 4 neither would have been sacked.

In my opinion the Club should have got rid of them both earlier. Both should have gone at Christmas (LVG in his second season) when we still had a chance of rescuing something from the carnage. The Club procrastinated, things inevitably got worse and it has cost the Club millions trying to put it right.

I like Jose his track record and pedigree are second to none but he's finished at Utd. He's fallen out with too many players, burnt too many bridges, they won't run or compete for him, it's over, he's done. The results and performances are unacceptable.

Forget looking at City we'd surrendered the title before a ball was even kicked. Pre season was awful, the transfer window even worse, Jose told us himself it was going to be a difficult season, we should not be surprised.

4th place and qualification through the group stages of the Champions League should now be the target. We already sit 5 points off top 4 never mind the top. If we don't make a change we will not finish in the top 4. I can't bear to watch players stroll around the pitch not even trying. Despite what you think about Mourinho he does not send his players out to walk, to watch no manager does. He is unable to motivate them or provoke a reaction.

I believe our season can still be saved but Jose must go. We all crave something that no longer exists. We may never find another Fergi, players and managers are transient. They rarely last longer than a few years. Whilst planning for the future we must not lose sight of the present. Despite recent performances we still have some very talented players capable of much more than we're seeing.

Give Zidane the job. Give him a short term contract (2 years) . From what I've read he's well liked and respected by his players. He can manage the ego's and heal the rifts. He might not win us the league, he might not be the long term answer but we're so far away from that level at the moment I think most of us would settle for just playing some exciting, watchable football for a change.

In the meantime the Club can take stock, appoint a DOF and formulate a long term strategy.

If Mourinho stays we all knows how it's ends. More falls out, more controversy, more excuses, more insipid performances and the sack inevitably awaits at the end of it all anyway.

I've grown tired of the arguments and power struggles. it's exhausting and if I feel like that what effect must it have on the players. I just want to watch a team that can put a smile of my face and that will wear the shirt with pride. Putting some pressure on the ball would be a good place to start. Good night everyone.


6.) 29 Sep 2018 23:00:46
Seems counter productive to me wanting to keep a guy in charge to dictate tactics, assess which players leave, help form lists of players who will be targets who we may buy and still want to get rid of him just not yet .


7.) 29 Sep 2018 23:25:59
it seems like its not just the attitude of several player's, its more like the majority of them are just way out of their depth. But i can't lay the blame solely at the feet of the players, Mourinho looks fed up and clueless in my eyes. I've always been a fan of his but i just can't see where he goes from here. I think that publicly naming and shaming individuals from time to time can work but when its every two weeks its definitely going to cause resentment. Its public, its embarrassing and it feeds the circling media which then causes further resentment. Its a last minute hail mary to hold on.

Todays game was just painful. We sat back like we were s@ (£ scared of them. Yh they've got some half decent players but come on. It was feeble at best. there's no spine. No commander. No fight. No one was shouting or even seemed angry that wed conceded. In all my years as a man u fan there's always been passion and pride and non of this current team have that.

In my eyes there is no quick fix but i agree Mourinho must go. i'm unsure on the next appointment. I can't see anyone who could long term hold the reigns. But one thing is certain. It definitely isn't the special one.


8.) 29 Sep 2018 23:54:15
Season already over from a league challenge point of view. Change it up now with a view to next year. Don’t forget, each manager needs their own targets and players who require scouting for months before buying. Nothing to lose (apart from £26m) by sacking Jose now.

I like Mr Mourinho, but he’s no business at our club.


9.) 30 Sep 2018 08:28:34
Maybe like many other clubs we have had managers that haven't been successful. It happens doesn't mean it's the end of the world or we need new owners CEO stadium etc.

Life after fergy, some managers work out some don't.
Jose won 2 cups first season second to an amazing city team and beat in the fa cup final last year and is now having his 3rd season melt down .


 

 

28 Sep 2018 09:34:16
Now I'm not defending Pogba, his performances both on and off the pitch have been at best a mixed bag. Of course he has a right to live as he wants, get the hairstyle he wants, have the social life he wants and have the life style he wants. However, being in the public eye he will have to accept that certain actions will illicit a negative response. If he wants to be seen and respected as one of the best footballers in the world he has to act and perform like one of the best footballers in the world.

However, I struggle to understand some fans views on Pogba over this now very public spat with Jose.

Why is it okay for Jose to call out players publicly but not for a player to suggest the team should be playing a certain way?

I don't disagree with any of the comments Pogba has made about how the team SHOULD be performing.

Should he have said it publicly? Absolutely not, these disagreements should stay in house. However, can I blame him if his manager and leader is doing the exact same thing?

Jose sets the standard, the players will follow. If he is going to constantly throw players under the bus can we really be that surprised when one or two of them come out and try and defend themselves?

The whole thing is an ugly mess, no one has the high ground in this spat.

Both Pogba and Jose need to go asap. That probably means a January exit for Pogba. Jose should stay for now. We can't afford to make another snap decision. Zidane would be an awful choice. We need to bring in a DoF first, someone who can return an identity to the club, a continuity, in both philosophy and recruitment. Then this person whoever they turn out to be needs to find the right manager, the manager who they can work well with, a manager who will play with the correct philosophy and style. Then we can truly start rebuilding.

But before you can rebuild you need to knock down and clear away rot. That starts with Pogba and ends with Jose.

Shappy

{Ed025's Note - top post that shappy..


1.) 28 Sep 2018 10:33:58
Agree with your post Snappy. No one should be making these statements out loud but I do understand the frustration of some players who do not look interested in playing for the club anymore. As players when they look around at other clubs, they can see how other coaches have made even average players perform brilliantly. Under Pep and Klopp players like Delph, Henderson etc are playing great. Not that they are bad players but their game has definitely improved. And there are not just a couple but too many examples. Salah, Mane, Sterling, Walker and many more have turned into world class players under their respective coaches. Marcelo was always a good player but no one can deny that he became even better when it came to attacking under Zidane.
Whereas our players with potential have only regressed and the ones who were good seem like they are kicking the ball first time in their life. Of course they have no right to publicly make comments but it's no surprise that players like Martial and pogba are looking to jump the ship.


2.) 28 Sep 2018 10:45:01
i think the fact pogba and his agent tried to get him a new club in the summer and his half hearted performances is the main reason us fans have had enough.

you don't see darmain kicking up a fuss or playing less than 100 percent because he didn't get his own way.

pogba is unprofessional and its not somthing we need in any football club nevermind our own.


3.) 28 Sep 2018 12:46:56
Shappy (and anyone else) agree with you, top post ;just out of interest when/ if JM is replaced if soon who would you like to see come in?
No one jumps out at this time to me, but, not ZZ and please god never allardyce or i'm changing career to be an assassin!

{Ed025's Note - at least allardyce would be an upgrade on the present incumbent cooky.. :)


4.) 28 Sep 2018 13:42:15
What two teams are I the best shape right now in England? Man City and Liverpool. How did that happen? Proper recruitment towards a philosophy over 2-5 years. In Manchester Cities case it was about bringing the two directors from Barcelona to set up peps arrival with the type of player he wants. In Liverpool's case it was the transfer committee buying the right profile of player to suit Jurgen Klopps style of play. Players between 22-26 years of age with an aggressive and expressive style of play along with a good attitude. Two clubs I can't stand. Unfortunately we are going to have to take a leaf out of their book and start this process. I cannot see this working with Jose. I think we are in better shape now then when he started after all the crap that was left after van gaals appointment but there's still no clear direction and philosophy. A strong director of football is needed with the goal of playing the United Way. If not then some sort of way.


5.) 28 Sep 2018 15:48:41
I think if u lose the ball in your half with a lazy attempt at showboating and then you make a lackluster attempt to track back and atone for mistake, you should be the last person to say 'attack attack attack'. Had i been standing next to him I'd have given him a smack on the head for being a spoilt brat. That being said, we lack a captain who won't tolerate such nonsense on the pitch and will reprimand players who attempt this among other things.


6.) 28 Sep 2018 13:38:57
Allardyce? Is this a joke ed? I don't understand why would you even joke like that? Allardyce is another primitive manager with old ways and tactics, we need a young, hungry, determined and adventurous manager. Someone with a plan for the future.

{Ed025's Note - i can joke about him RM because we have had the dubious delight of his management skills mate..


7.) 28 Sep 2018 15:05:06
ed025 ha ha mate- you're probably right . lol.


8.) 28 Sep 2018 17:08:59
Cookyman, that's a tough one without actually speaking to potential candidates to get the measure of them. Eddie Howe though is a man I would want to have a sit down with and discuss his thoughts on the role.


9.) 28 Sep 2018 19:42:07
I like Howe shappy. Issue is our structure from top to bottom is a mess. Expecting him to manage without a director of football could be a recipe for disaster. It’s no coincidence that the clubs who have worked on their restructuring of the running of their clubs are the ones who are currently reaping the rewards. City built for years before the arrival of pep. Our problem is far bigger than the manager. We have a non football man in Woodward running around expected to perform in the football side of things which just isn’t feasible.

Howe has some great attributes and could do some good things at united. But without the structure and support in place, he will crumble like Moyes, lvg and Jose. Moving from bournmouth to United is a big enough jump. I am sure we would play a better brand of football under someone like Howe. But he would end up the same way as the previous managers. There is an inherent problem in the club at the moment and changing managers may help in the short run, but until the fundamental problems are fixed, we will still be stuck in this vicious cycle.


10.) 29 Sep 2018 09:57:00
Shappy- I like howe moreover the style of football he likes his team to play and also his conduct/ persona but not sure if a bit of the moyes syndrome re., too much for him too soon . I wouldve loved Allegri but that ship has sailed i guess so there ain't too many out there. I would guess blanc could be looked at but as an outside the box thought- Jochim low *SP*.


 

 

26 Sep 2018 09:40:37
Well the season is played out in my opinion. I don't think we will see anything different from what we've seen so far.

I mean why would we? We have the same players, the same manager and the same tactics. Jose will not change his ideas or style. There will be no Eureka moment.

We will win games when we are efficient with the few chances we create, we will struggle if we don't. We will look suspect defensively, especially at set plays or when caught on the break. Our style of sitting back and inviting pressure will mean defensive mistakes are more likely to happen and are more likely to be critical when they do.

We approach every game the same way whether it's a European champion side or a lower league side. Our approach doesn't change whether we are playing away or at home.

Sit deep, tight and compact and hit teams on the counter.

The problem is I don't think we have the players to do that effectively like say Atletico Madrid do. We also don't have the fans to accept that way of playing. As a club our fans have become used to playing a certain way. Acting like the under dog at home to a lower league team just isn't acceptable.

This means that every poor result will be blown out of proportion. It is a to of mix that will not end well.

I'm not saying we need to sack Mourinho now. But I am saying we should never have hired him in the first place. He was always a poor fit. If truth be told how many of us now would have been prepared to have LvG for one more year if it meant we got Allegri last season?

This is a terrible state of affairs the club finds itself in at the moment. A snap decision has caused damage to the club, that decision was brought about by the fans.

Yes Mourinho isn't the right man for the job. But the next guy absolutely has to be. That is a decision that shouldn't be rushed, that needs time and planning. And now as fans we have to be patient.

Shappy

{Ed002's Note - You don't want to lose sight of the fact that this was a one off draw with a progressive Championship club and no more than that.}


1.) 26 Sep 2018 10:08:52
It's a bit more than that now to be honest Ed. Three defeats to the newly promoted sides last season and defeat to Bristol City in the league cup, already an away defeat to Brighton, home draw with Wolves and last nights embarrassment demonstrate this was no one off.

The football is slow, insipid and unimaginative at best. I agree with Shappy we sit deep sit deep, have numbers behind the ball but show no desire to close down or win it back. We give other teams time and space and let them play. There has been no progression in the style of play and watching Utd theses days has become akin to watching paint dry.

I like Mourinho I can't understand why it's not working but as we've seen last night if Darby can play good stuff with fluidity and imagination whilst still working like dogs I see no reason why Utd can't do the same. The only conclusion I can draw is the players are following the managers instructions and tactics and he's failing to motivate them. We all know we've got no chance of winning the league already. We're now out of the League Cup. If the best we can hope for this season is 4th place then at least we can try to get there without boring us all to tears and tearing our hair out most weeks.

{Ed002's Note - Whilst last season is of no consequence, this is all the result a massive self-inflicted wound caused by the toxic fans. You all knew this would be the eventual result of putting aside the well founded plans and making this appointment. It certainly does not help having a couple of players in the side who want out, but the club are going to smart at the cost of bring players in as prices are looking upward at the higher end. The worst possible situation would now to be price players out of a move - Pogba being an exaple.}


2.) 26 Sep 2018 10:16:33
And Saturday was a 'one off draw' against a mid-table prem team, a few weeks before it was a one off loss against relegation fodder in BHA. Also a dismantling at home by a Spurs team that looks out of sorts this season.

I strongly believed we would get beat yesterday pre-game - we were the worse team with 11 men on the pitch as well and the game played out performance wise how I expected - it shouldn't have surprised anybody that has been watching us for the past 3 years.

We got knocked out of last seasons CL by a Sevilla in turmoil at the time barely landing a punch. These performances are typical, but now even weak teams feel disappointed not taking maximum points from us (or dispatching us in cups), especially at OT.

We have had a favourable start fixture wise this season, yet look like going nowhere fast (compared to expectations) . I agree with Shappy 99% of us now could accurately predict how we will play each match and the same percentage will walk away feeling underwhelmed by the inevitable stale performance. A few will love it still, but they see the game through different eyes and are in the ever decreasing minority.


3.) 26 Sep 2018 10:41:30
Ed of course last season is of consequence if the same mistakes are still being made and there is no evolution in our style of play.

I don't buy the toxic fan argument, we have no evidence Allergi would have fared any better than his predecessors, the stadium was still full every week accompanied by record turnover. If the owners took any notice of a few frustrated fans venting their frustration over social media then perhaps this explains perfectly why we find ourselves in our current situation. I have great respect for your input on this site and have no appetite to reignite old arguments but the toxic fan conspiracy just doesn't stack up for me. Sorry that's just my opinion based on my own judgement of the facts. We don't all have to agree and I'm sorry if I've caused any offence.

In my opinion Jose will remain in charge until the end of the season. Based on what we've seen in the past I fully expect him to leave if we fail to achieve a top 4 finish.

{Ed002's Note - Last season is of no consequence at all - it is gone, history, nobody is interested. Of course you don't buy the toxic fan argument, Allegri is no doubt a hopeless manager and it was way better to give the contract to someone that doesn't see MU as a progressive club that will adapt to what he thinks they need; someone who doesn't like being in Manchester and don't forget there are those (two senior people) at the club that even now still see a blue tinge surrounding him.

Mr Mourinho made errors as I have explained - a major error in taking on Ibrahimovich - it is disruptive with the kids (with one specific issue having to be overcome by a third party) and of course he wanted to move elsewhere. I have explained that Mkhitaryan was a disaster waiting to happen, but he dealt with that. I have explained over and over that Pogba's career belongs in Spain or Italy - certainly not Manchester - but that is being dealt with.

This was not what the club planned or wanted.}


4.) 26 Sep 2018 11:01:18
Ed002 - Brilliant! - "it's the supporters' fault".

Of course it is, silly us.

{Ed002's Note - I have been telling you this since the moment the toxics turned on the club and forced the club to abandon their plans. Perhaps you should go back and read what was explained long ago about what would happen, and then perhaps consider where the club is now. It is pretty hopeless explaining anything to most of the Manchester United supporters.}


5.) 26 Sep 2018 11:25:10
Ed I think we'll have to agree to disagree.

I think Allegri is an excellent manager.

What I don't understand is why the Club would shelve its best laid plans because of a few disgruntled fans venting their frustration on Social Media. I actually believe that if LVG had made the top 4 he wouldn't have been sacked and maybe their plans would have come to fruition. If your telling me that his dismissal had nothing to do with his failure to secure a top 4 finish and more to do with a minority of disgruntled fans than I must accept that you have more knowledge of the inner workings of the Club than me and are in a better position to comment. I accept you are only passing us information I just can't get my head around it. Like I said I have no intention of opening up old debates I fear I have said too much already. Thank you for taking the time to reply to my posts. Have a nice day.

{Ed002's Note - You don't understand what was written about Allegri. I have explained repeatedly since the day it started why the club did what it did. It wasn't a few fans.

I will try and restrict what I put on the MU pages again.}


6.) 26 Sep 2018 11:47:00
Thanks for all info as always Ed, think a big trawl through past comments is in order to piece together the narrative.

To be honest, I do actually feel sorry for Jose st the moment / the ugh I don’t agree with the way he’s handling things by criticising players openly - should be kept within his office (unless someone is leaking the things that come out? )

He seems caught between a rock and a hard place:

1. Incredible pressure from fans used to success, from the media eager for a story from the world’s biggest club, from the board who need a successful product to sell to investors - and all with a team that he has only partially been all allowed to shape according to his preferred systems.

2. He’s got players who clearly don’t want to be there and who seen like a disruptive influence in the changing room

3. He wasn’t allowed to buy the defender we so clearly need

4. He’s having to rebuild after the fractious tenured of Moyes and Van gaal

5. He doesn’t like living on Zmancrster as his family is in London

6. Sounds like Woodward wants to bring in younger players also

Plus many more no doubt.

Yes he’s paid LOTS of money to sort this out but how can you physically make players play for you if they are determined not too or are just not good enough?

Personally, I think the only way forward is to remove disruptive influences and start from scratch. This might take a few years so whether Jose - or the expectant fans - can wait this long is another question.

{Ed002's Note - (1) The fans are probably not bright enough to realise that success needs to be earned and other clubs have emerged as challengers over the years. If the club choose to appoint a manager and not entirely trust his opinion totally and were never going to give him what he wanted, they should not be surprised. You must remember that the club wanted someone else and had lined up a future that would have been very good - but that is all long ago and will never happen now. (2) Notably there is one who really wants to leave, but that has been explained to everybody here over and over - but they never believed it. Fortunately, perhaps, there was someone at the game last night who maybe able to facilitate a solution to that particular matter if an issue or two can be resolved. (3) Right, there is work needed on the defence but the "value" issue kicked in. In defence of Mr Mourinho will, probably rightly, deflect some concerns about the defence back to the club that would not give him what he wanted in the summer - and in their defence if prices had not spiralled so high then the "value" issue would likely not have been an issue. (4) Not an issue. (5) Of course not, have you ever been there? The grim, wet and cobbled streets Northwest of England where there is a significant cultural change, smog, dead & dying pit ponies laying on the street, little chance of football at the highest level and only chips and fried curry to eat. (6) Woodward is not the person making decisions about which players join - that comes from elsewhere. The "younger" issues arises for the "value" issue.

Mr Mourinho is paid to coach the football team, not to sort out the issues with the club nor the fans.}


7.) 26 Sep 2018 11:52:18
I've not been posting that long Ed I'll search the site for more information sorry if I've offended you or made you repeat yourself. I've only read about the Club wanting Allegri but shelving their plans because of the fans. I'll have a nosey through the site to improve my understanding of the situation. Thank you.

{Ed002's Note - I am not offended.}


8.) 26 Sep 2018 12:16:23
Hi Ed, I always appreciate your opinions and insight. In your opinion what does the club need to do to get out of the situation it’s found itself in currently? Is it more an issue of the structure of the club and the beliefs within it that needs to change for us to become progressive again?

{Ed002's Note - Recruit and empower a suitable Director of Football would be the absolute best thing to do to get back on track.}


9.) 26 Sep 2018 12:29:24
Ed002 - has explained the above situation re Allegri and mouinho several times and in a manner that all should understand: the only statement that can be added to what has been said is that not all fans were 'toxic' or thought in the same way.
Success is not a given based on many factors and must be earned but the first teamers underperforming, are not able to or in some cases are in the twilight of their careers; does not help the goal. This happens at a lot of clubs but man utd seem to have the monopoly atm. This has been the case before SAF retired and has not been addressed satisfactorily since. We have priced players out of a move through wages primarily and have simply put the club on the verge of self destruction of the successful campaigns we have come to have expected and this will not be sorted quickly. The fans are not privvy to plans within the club structure so I will ask Ed 002 if there is any thing in the pipeline that you know of that could see major change?

{Ed002's Note - Nobody suggested all of the fans were "toxic" but it is the "toxics" who will always be vocal and louder. The club are continuing to try and find a suitable Director of Football - but that won't lead to an overnight change. If the club were to find the money and pay of Mr Mourinho then they would need a temporary coach, a new coach/manager, reconsider the various key targets as they are very much to suit Mr Mourinho's needs and choices, etc., etc..}


10.) 26 Sep 2018 13:06:44
Dear Ed002,

Thank you so much for taking the time to explain things on do much detail - just shows how little we know and how much the real narrative is occluded by other interested parties. Thank you for cutting through all the BS and telling it like it really is.

Your answer to No. 2 is very intriguing though! I’m guessing - or rather hoping - that a deal is being putting together to enable Mr Pogba to leave (hopefully Jan! )
I’m guessing the main issue is price, so maybe a cash plus player deal could be possible to make the finances more realistic.

Really hoping we get a Director of Football who can create a cohesive plan that can bring everything together for a brighter future at all levels.

{Ed002's Note - So the situation with Pogba is pretty much unchanged. Manchester United are happy to move him on but will be reluctant to have a player in part exchange at all - but the cash price may put any transfer in jeopardy. Expensive, Barcelona will again try and include a player, work is continuing on trying to get a deal in place but there will need to be a message taken back to Manchester United that is at least worth considering - and don't forget that it is not simply a matter of the cost of the player, there are other significants fees that could make it difficult. Barcelona also have two other central midfield players they are keen to sign and circumstances could remove Pogba from the picture easily - they will only take two out of three at best having already made one significant midfield signing. Juventus have three high price central midfielders in mindfor the CM role but critically need to raise money through a significant sale. The other clubs asked about Pogba are not interested and in particular Real Madrid already have targets tehy are working on in midfield.}


11.) 26 Sep 2018 13:22:45
Ed002,
Are you aware if the majority of the players support the manager and his methods? Reports of him “losing the dressing room”.

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what these hip terms like "losing the dressing room" mean. There seems to be a thought process with the supporters and fans that everything was fine yesterday afternoon but after drawing a game and then losing out on penalties that there was some sort of paradigm shift.}


12.) 26 Sep 2018 13:25:40
Thanks Ed, I believe we have been looking for someone in that that role within the club for a while. Do you see a suitable person being recruited any time soon and in your view would the club be willing to empower the individual sufficiently?

{Ed002's Note - Since 2016. I cannot sensibly answer "anytime soon" questions but the question about "empowerment" is very relevant. If they don't then they should forget appointing someone.}


13.) 26 sep 2018 13:44:37
can't wait for the club to do the wrong thing ed002, whatever you say, they end up doing the opposite. in a year's time, we'll still be saying the same thing 'we need a director of football asap', shambles, darmian valencia jones young rojo pogba fellaini martial out. glazers out! woodward out! it's a mess!


14.) 26 sep 2018 13:45:14
toxic fans out! :)


15.) 26 Sep 2018 14:17:06
Thanks Ed002, amazing insight and info as always. Have a good day!


16.) 26 Sep 2018 14:20:58
Thanks for the reply ed002- much appreciated . The not all fans are toxic statement was aimed at the people who read but don't digest rather than yourself ; enjoy your day:)


17.) 26 Sep 2018 14:37:31
Just to the people who don't think the fans can influence an entire clubs decisions, just look at Liverpool and how who MADE the club get rid of Hodgson for Dalglish.


18.) 26 Sep 2018 20:39:59
Fantastic info Ed002.


 

 

 

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12 Nov 2018 13:16:41
Red Man, The club may have failed to invest between 2009-2015, But since then the club have thrown over 100m a summer at the squad.

However, it has been poorly invested. You talk about rebuilding the squad. How do you envision that going if all our targets are 29 years old?

Mourinho doesn't want to be at the club for the long haul, he isn't invested in our club. He won't buy a house or move his family to Manchester. He is only interested in players who will win things here and now and has no interest in rebuilding the club, just adding a few more trophies to his haul so he can throw it at some journalist in a press conference.

Him and the club clearly disagreed on which players the club should sign in the summer. It is disharmony, however that is a two way street.

The club needs to feel they are getting value for money when purchasing a player for a large fee. Spending 50m+ on a player who might only provide two years of top level service before declining on a high wage and the club being unable to shift them is not in the clubs best interests. In either the medium or long term.

However, it might be a good idea in the short term, which is all Mourinho is interested in.

That is why Mourinho was a poor choice for a club that needed time as much as money being spent on it.

Shappy

{Ed025's Note - harsh but some fair points there shappy..


 

 

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I think there might be more United fans on our team. So I guess the site will have to be on our side. lol.

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26 Oct 2018 10:16:27
Should a manager be publicly undermining his employer?

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17 Oct 2018 12:10:02
He had a shakey first season when it could be said he was adapting to being at a club our size. He then went away and trained hard over the summer and at the start of his second season he was our best player until he got injured. He then struggled for a couple of years to fully over come the injury and deal with the change in management. He has up until now probably been our best player this season.

So I think it's clear the potential is still there and he can realise that here with us. Why let him leave, especially on the cheap. He is an England international and we need to keep good quality homegrown players especially when they can perform to level where they are regularly our best player.

We'd be stupid not to give him long term contract.

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08 Oct 2018 17:54:35
Real Madrid could still be a serious option. Navas isn't getting any younger and Coutois hasn't been great since the move. They could easily go back in for DDG either on a free or below his true worth when he only has a year left on his contact.

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12 Nov 2018 15:06:28
True Singh, I do wonder if Pep would have been backed if all the players he wanted to sign were 29 years old. I don't think Pep has signed a single player over 27?

Which might be why his board are more prepared to bring his targets in.

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12 Nov 2018 15:03:42
There are none. We need to rebuild. There is no manager who can come in and wave the magic wand and fix everything in a matter of weeks.

A manager who will play modern progressive football while developing young players is what we need.

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12 Nov 2018 14:12:33
The solution was never to hire a short term manager for a long term project.

The club needs restructuring, and by all accounts that process is underway. To fully back a manager, any manager who is unlikely to have a long or even medium term future at the club is utter madness. Especially if those signings are expensive and only short term solutions.

The money pot isn't bottomless, would you rather have the wrong man or the right man spend it?

The solution isn't a happy one, especially for fans this season.

The season is a right off, we are too far behind and require too much work to bridge the gap. Attempts to do so in January would be foolish. If the right profile of player (talent, suitability and age) is available then fine. But we know from experience they rarely are in January.

The club needs to focus on the rebuilding of the off pitch structure, identify the right person for the DoF role, bring him or her in. Then let them do the job they were hired for, let them work on who the next manager should be, let them work with that manager and scouts to identify the right players, for the short, medium and long term. Then work on attaining those targets.

Jose should stay for as long as is possible this season. However, come the final day of the season we should know who the new manager will be for next season. If Jose's position becomes untenable between now and then, then we need to look at short term options for a manager to guild us until the end of the season. Whether that is by giving people like Carrick or McKenna the job on a temporary basis or whether that means bringing in a experienced manager on a short term deal like Chelsea have done with Hiddink to bridge that gap.

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12 Nov 2018 13:39:29
The fact of the matter is you work harder off the ball than you do on it. That's why more often than not teams with more possession tend to be the teams winning things come May.

City work incredibly hard off the ball, however, they only have to do that for 30-35% of the match, whereas, their opponents have to work hard for 65-70% of the match. That is why they look fitter, they don't have to work as hard over 90 minutes.

We have a team built for size and power, we don't have good mobility, and as such spend most of 90 minutes chasing shadows. We need more skill, and mobility if we are to compete with the top teams.

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12 Nov 2018 13:34:27
Mourinho has signed three 29 year olds (Mkhitaryan, Matic and Sanchez), a 36yo Zlatan, and a 35yo Grant. So he has been given a certain amount of experienced players who he was allowed to bring in. If they aren't leaders then who's fault is that?

Of the other 6 players signed during Jose's time so far only Dalot could be considered a youngster. Fred and Lukaku are supposed to be approaching their peaks in the next couple of years. Pogba was 23 but hardly a unknown. Only Lindelof and Bailly at 22 could have been considered gambles on younger less established players. Although it should be said Mourinho himself has proclaimed his sources in Portugal tipped him off on Lindelof, so I think we can say he is clearly a Mourinho signing. Leaving Bailly as the one who could be questioned as whether he really was a player Mourinho wanted.

Jose has signed 11 players, in fact you could make a starting 11 out of Jose's signings. Grant, Lindelof, Bailly, Matic, Dalot, Mkhitaryan, Pogba, Fred, Sanchez, Zlatan and Lukaku.

So what do you make of Jose's United side? two have already left, and there are questions being asked of nearly all the others.

Jose has been given funds, only Pep has spent more money at one club in the history of world football than Jose has spent at United.

Is there an issue between the board and Jose on targets moving forward? It looks like there might be. But how much of that is because his previous signings have been poor investments both on and off the pitch?

You can't shift all the blame of Jose, If it was your money would you be so willing to hand it over to him based on his previous signings?

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