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26 Nov 2015 10:22:36
GDS2,
you seem to be one of the more optimistic posters on here. A win for Utd as you say will see you top the league. Given your style of play at the moment a loss is just as likely against a vibrant leicester. In fact if you lose you could even see yourselves in 5th place by the end of the weekend.
As the supporter on here who I notice is more results than performance based at the moment. Would this scenario bring you more in line with the likes of Beast who like most fans want their team to play exciting football regardless of results and be entertained.
I have to be honest and say I have never seen OT so quiet. Fans leaving early have become more frequent when their team are losing to be honest but I don't remember so many leaving at 0-0 with so much time left and so much at stake.

Simonpw

1.) 26 Nov 2015 10:57:50
Well no, for me results will always be more important than performance, people who say they don't care about results just don't make sense to me, sport is about winning, if you can win with style then it is obviously better but at the end of the day winning at all costs is what it is about.

As I said last night when you are not winning and you are playing terrible football then it becomes a major issue and is soul destroying. At times when we are winning games I see an improvement that makes me think we could actually get the football we want, the Everton game for example we pushed numbers forward and scored 3 goals, so we can do it, I am just unsure why we don't.

This people leaving early thing is nonsense, no more people left (definitely in my section) last night than leave on a normal evening match, there was a train line down which was announced in the stadium so maybe that meant a few more went, but it certainly wasn't obvious.


2.) 26 Nov 2015 11:02:16
Did Liverpool win at the weekend :)

Welcome back Simon.


3.) 26 Nov 2015 11:04:00
results only count at the end of the season you win nothing in november.
looking at uniteds performance something needs to change in our style if we are going to push for a title.


4.) 26 Nov 2015 11:23:29
Of course I understand it's a result business, but surely if your team plays exciting entertaining football most of the time, an odd poor performance or result is a lot easier to digest. Every team has a day when they are just not at it collectively, but when those kind of insipid performances are seen as the norm is it a surprise to see a 0-0 result.
I think fans just expect more.
Its not a criticism more an observation. Surely the least you can expect is a team that fights to win and the courage to get on the ball and try to make something happen.
For all the criticism of Rooney on here, if the rest of the team put in the same effort as him I'm sure that would improve. It just seems that LVG has given the players the perfect system to defer responsibilty.
A safe pass with no risk or adventure.


5.) 26 Nov 2015 11:27:22
Hey Chris,
Had the morning off and was bored lol.


6.) 26 Nov 2015 11:30:42
I agree jred.


7.) 26 Nov 2015 12:13:08
You are correct Simon, we all want us to play well every game and the poor performances should be one off's but as it stands it is the good performances that are the one off's and it should never be that way round.

I obviously want us to play great attacking football and get results, we all do, but I have seen loads of people on here say 'I don't care if we lose as long as we play good football' which I can never get my head around.


8.) 26 Nov 2015 12:46:12
if you can get this team and group of players playing well the results will come.


9.) 26 Nov 2015 12:47:33
I think those people saying that GDS2 are more saying they don't mind losing now and again if the team are performing to a standard expectant of a Utd team. I don't think any fan wants their team to lose any game. I just think it's more acceptable if the team plays to the best of their ability and the loss comes regardless.
In this league there are always surprises. I doubt any Utd fan would truly want their team to lose. I think it's frustration at the style of play. Surely certain games are set up for specific teams, but at the moment to me anyway regardless of personnel it seems Utd set up the same for every team. The only constant is the manager wants the same style regardless who wears the jersey.
It seems he's more content not to lose than to win if that makes sense.


10.) 26 Nov 2015 13:08:39
simon
very true i made the same point last night.


11.) 26 Nov 2015 13:41:15
Bang on Simon - playing the same way no matter who we play is a dereliction of duty as far as I'm concerned. He doesn't manage scenarios as they develop on the pitch either, he either chucks on Fellaini or reverts to more caginess.

I bet Mr's VG had a great night Saturday because he got to play his dream 3-5-2 for 60 minutes, that last minute OG will have vindicated the ridiculous decision in his eyes as well!


 

 

10 Sep 2015 23:23:58
As a rival fan it doesn't bother me one way or the other if DeGea signs a new deal.
What I don't understand is why Rooney got slaughtered by your fans for wanting out and then turning round and signing a new mega deal to keep him at the club. Is DeGea not doing the exact same thing. Isn't the only reason he's likely to stay is money. Yet every United fan I know is prepared to accept it as a triumph if he stays.
Kinda smacks of two faced given the service Rooney has given the club over the years don't you think.

Simonpw

1.) 10 Sep 2015 23:54:21
Said the same thing below Simon. Good point.


2.) 11 Sep 2015 00:11:59
If you don't understand the difference now then you never will, good luck Saturday.


3.) 11 Sep 2015 00:18:49
two faced , double standards you might have a point.
hate to agree with a scouse fan but then some of my united brothers think robson isn't a legend


4.) 11 Sep 2015 00:21:27
Some will agree others will disagree, its an ongoing everlasting debate on here regarding Wayne. It did seem to be about more than money with Ddg but none of us can know for sure.

For me, football lost its soul to money a long time ago so I try to ignore that side of things. I don't feel that bad towards either player and although I wish loyalty was still prevalent in the game I fear those days are leaving us.


5.) 11 Sep 2015 00:04:27
Rooney was purely in it for the money. De Gea wanted to go home and got shafted by madrid. Him signing a new deal parallels Ronaldo. He'll still go but we get a better fee. Assuming he signs.

{Ed007's Note - Have you ever heard about The Montreal Screwjob? Years after it all happened it came out that it was really Bret that screwed Bret, he screwed it up for himself - the same will be said in years to come of De Gea.
Players at that level don't get shafted, them and their agent are always in control.}


6.) 11 Sep 2015 01:42:29
Rooney was talking about going to city on more money, De Gea was going to Real Madrid to be close to his girl friend on less money than what we offered him. Big difference in my eyes and to be honest can't blame Rooney that the nature of the game now a days, its a business if someone offers me more money i go back to my boss and see what he says, no different if your a footballer i suppose.


7.) 11 Sep 2015 01:55:06
It is a job to them.

And what's wrong with wanting to be amongst the top earners of your profession if you (or at least your ball skills) are essentially one of the key Products that profession sells to its Customers? Nothing imo.

All professions are the same, I can think of one specific example.


8.) 11 Sep 2015 07:00:58
mendes has played the whole thing very well.


9.) 11 Sep 2015 07:45:33
JRED

Why do you say that. If I am sitting at the club what would a top goalie cost us this summer if he went with clubs knowing fully that we are desperate for one. 30 million plus serious wages. So paying DDG a signing bonus and keeping him at the club for 5 more years is a no brainer.


10.) 11 Sep 2015 07:46:46
Mendes does'nt really care where DeGea plays his football as long as he gets his big piece of the cake.


11.) 11 Sep 2015 07:53:46
Simon

2 very different cases. Imagine Coutinho being a spanish player holding out for more money and him and his agent publicly making statements and even going as far as making a deal with Everton that was purely wage based than let's say wanting to go back to Barca where he is from and accepting a lesser wage package that you were offering for an extension. Q Countinho is next lol.

See you boys on saturday :)


12.) 11 Sep 2015 09:06:37
Some people will feel the same way about De Gea as they do about Rooney, it just gives some people an extra thing to complain about, there are obvious differences between the 2 situations but we can't complain for years that we want the club to spend money and then when they do spend it to keep top players complain players only want to be here for the money.


13.) 11 Sep 2015 09:33:44
i have said many times, that the first time Rooney did what DeGea has done, I gave him the benefit of the doubt, and moved on. When he then decided to do it again, that is when he lost me. DeGea has done it, and as I said, he is the last year of his contract and needs a new one, give him the going rate, not an over inflated rate as others have received, if he wants a signing on bonus, give it him and add it to the release value, simples. We shouldn't over pay no matter what.

{Ed002's Note - What "release value" is that.}


14.) 11 Sep 2015 09:49:22
Whatever United may want for him as a fee, I have no idea on contracts and the financial side of things, and have never claimed to have. I know you are in a much better position to know the ins and outs, so I wouldn't try and claim anything. All I am saying is that if he is still looking to leave, but wants a fee to sign on, then surely it can be agreed that we would ask for extra to cover it, should he leave in the very near future. Especially if he only wants to be here for the season.

But as I said, I have no idea what he wants, what Reals future plans are etc. I just wouldn't stupidly overpay to keep anyone here, personally.

By the way ed, what's your pic? I've wondered for a bit, but can't make it out.

{Ed002's Note - You cannot expect a future buying club to pick up any signing on fee paid to the player - that simply won't be happening.

I am not sure about the picture - I rarely look at the web site.}


15.) 11 Sep 2015 10:18:56
gcu
i think mendes has played the press very well .
he has pushed for a move to madrid with out alienating any of the united fans .
things could of got ugly but it looks like ddg will keep the fans on his side and get a bumper deal.

with a different strategy thinks could of look very different so like i say i think mendes has played the whole thing very well


16.) 11 Sep 2015 10:24:07
if ddg really wants to go home for the wife etc etc what's changed .
he can go in 9 months time .
if he is homesick and all that and wants to go back to spain why sign a new contract .


17.) 11 Sep 2015 10:33:55
If he wanted to go home that desperately he could terminate his contract and take a year out.

Money, money, money. Was that money I heard?

{Ed002's Note - No he can't.}


18.) 11 Sep 2015 10:36:32
jred, you only have to look at Mendes client list to see how good he is at what he does. I don't like it and the way it is done, but hey. I agree, if he wants to go, let him at the end of the season, don't throw stupid money at him though.


19.) 11 Sep 2015 11:11:33
So he couldn't buy out the last year of is contract Ed?

Essentially you are saying if he wanted he cannot quit his job? Surely there is a human right law in there somewhere.

{Ed002's Note - No he can't buy out the remainder of his contract. And I suspect you don't understand what human rights are either.}


20.) 11 Sep 2015 11:14:38
brendan
thats sort of my point if things have got to the point that ddg really wants to go back to spain , family bird etc fine he is only human. he can go in 9 month time but if he signs a big fat long term contract i would question what his motive was for leaving.


21.) 11 Sep 2015 11:38:18
We took the bird out for a slap up meal. She liked it but wanted somebody better looking. The guy she wanted didn't work out, so she comes back to you. Should you tell her where to go, or say here's a house, car, slap-up meal, anything you want?

I know what I would do, but as our club is becoming a desperate joke we will be happy to be treated like mugs until another good looking guy comes along.


22.) 11 Sep 2015 11:50:48
My own take on it, is that Utd won't play him until he shows an inclination to sign a new contract, therefore guaranteeing us a fair price for him if he does still want to go next season.

He knows that would hinder his chances of playing for Spain in the Euros, so he signs up, probably with some sort of release clause for next season. I suspect he's also aware that RM didn't bid officially for him until the last day of the window, so is probably wondering just how committed they are to buying him.

Anyway, we get our top-class goalie for another season at least, he gets game time for the Euros, he'll probably still get a move next season if he wants to go home, and the club will get a fair price. It's a win-win for everyone as far as I can see.

Except Madrid. But I could care less about that.

He'll still get my support - he ran down his contract. Nothing more, nothing less. He didn't actively agitate for a move, or threaten the club with signing for one of our rivals.

Twice.

{Ed002's Note - The Euros would be of no consequence if he wants to leave at the end of the season and is willing to see his contract out.}


23.) 11 Sep 2015 11:55:02
beast
can you remember fergy running over to france twice to get cantona to come back and play for us


24.) 11 Sep 2015 12:23:46
jred,

That never happened because Cantona is a hero.


25.) 11 Sep 2015 12:48:01
Ed, is the Spanish manager going to pick a player who hasn't played competitive football all season?

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what you are talking about.}


26.) 11 Sep 2015 13:28:50
Ed, I was going on the theory that if he just ran his contract down, then LVG may not deem him to be fully committed to the cause, or not right mentally to play, as he's done already this season.

So when the season ends, and the Euros start, Spain wouldn't likely be picking a rusty, undercooked keeper with no recent first team games under his belt.

Every top player wants to play in the top tournaments.

{Ed002's Note - It would be of absolutely zero importance in his thinking - the amounts of money involved are significant and a few games next summer matter not one iota.}


27.) 11 Sep 2015 06:17:27
Love the reference bond ☺

{Ed007's Note - (yes)


 

 

31 Aug 2015 18:52:25
Ronaldo, Bale, De Gea and Ramos all in the same XI. United fans should be careful what they wish for. ☺

Simonpw

1.) 31 Aug 2015 19:13:46
Because De Gea moving to madrid has shocked us all, seriously though I think this might finally be your year, Imagine having Bogdan Milner and Ings in the same starting 11, stuff of dreams that is.


2.) 31 Aug 2015 19:18:09
Mate, I would be concerned with the shower that makes up your first team if I were you.


3.) 31 Aug 2015 19:20:45
I'd have Henderson over any of our midfielders any day of the week.


LMFAO


4.) 31 Aug 2015 19:37:48
Jesus you're all very defensive today lol


5.) 31 Aug 2015 20:09:37
Simonpw
Defensive is what you should have been against west ham


6.) 31 Aug 2015 20:22:35
I love watching Lovren week in week.

BR: "The players have come back really hungry and got the grit between their teeth" :)

The man will go down in the hall of fame of British Football and always looking forward to what he is cooking next:)


7.) 31 Aug 2015 21:18:29
Now that's more like it imbs, that's the kind of comeback both our sides could've done with at the weekend ha ha


 

 

19 Aug 2015 15:52:31
I have a question. Now I could have posted it on any of the team pages but I think we have pretty much done all our incoming business. I see lots of people on various sites saying they don't want to sign player x because he's not utd class,liverpool class etc and the best of the lot is "world class".
Players descriptions after a couple of games ala Smalling further down the page as world class. Now I'm not disputing whether he is or isn't.
So my question is ;
What constitutes a world class player in your opinions?
Playing for one of the top national teams,top domestic teams.
Would he get into any team in world football etc
So what is the criteria for it?
Alternatively would a player who improves a certain position ala Darmian be not of more benefit to any team than a stellar supposedly "world class" name ala DiMaria who had little impact on your team.
Personally I think the words world class are to easily attributable to players after too few appearances. I think world class teams make certain players look much better than they actually are. Be interested to hear your thoughts and I'm sure given the fan traffic from other sites on here we might get a few replies from them too.

Simonpw

1.) 19 Aug 2015 16:22:47
Good post, Simon.

I suppose a world class player is someone who plays at the highest level and performs consistently above that of his fellow peers. Other than that, IMO, the rest is subjective reasoning based on different variables.

I think in today's game, there are probably around a handful off players in each position who could rightfully be termed world class.


2.) 19 Aug 2015 16:23:52
Smalling is better than Loveren & Skertl & Toure & Sahko


3.) 19 Aug 2015 16:52:42
What has smalling better than liverpool players got to do with the question Harry. It was an example of "world class" being used after a couple of games. It just goes to show your mentality that you can't answer a simple question without trying to be childish. I gave examples of Utd players because we're on the Utd page. I could've used players relevant to other teams if I asked it on that particular page. Grow up!!!


 

 

20 Sep 2014 21:24:41
Just to show I'm here to take my medicine. Let it fly. We were that bad today I wouldn't know were to start. :'-(
Anyway I'm sure you'll enjoy your night, ta da for now lol

Simonpw

1.) 20 Sep 2014 22:39:22
I think your honesty and bravery will spare you. All I will say is that losing 3 games already is pretty embarrasing and that you could of done with Di Maria.


2.) 20 Sep 2014 23:24:28
Simon mate, we are far more interested in our games and results. If you guys lose its a bonus which might raise a smile.

As for you setting yourself up, well your the first scouser to come onto our page but like Blair, and all the others before you soon you will drift off much like Liverpools title challenges.


3.) Ouch!!


4.) 21 Sep 2014 00:10:17
Top man Simon, honestly mean that.


5.) Well just back from London Boys ad was so tempted to catch the train to leicester for the game and extend my stay. I was one of the very few that said Liverpool will struggle this year and not surprised.

Let's see where are after 10 games. Do not be surprised to see them way off the pace. Last year the fairy gods had their back and very thing went right for them, this year will be different.


 

 

 

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10 Jul 2015 22:36:58
He'll be 31 in a couple of weeks Halesini. Great experienced player but very expensive with his age and wages. No doubt a big signing on fee too. I think Scneiderlin is better for ye value wise, although a bigger transfer fee but probably half the wages.

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03 Jun 2019 10:07:38
Great stuff AJH, thanks for all the hard work.

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01 Oct 2018 17:40:09
Glad you're ok mate.

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10 Aug 2018 10:52:28
Bit biased lol, but tough choices this year.

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Post of the day.

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28 May 2018 22:23:54
You kill me Ed025 😂😂😂.

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