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17 May 2017 08:37:27
Haven't been on here that long and I pick up the eds and the posters find a lot of sources as very dubious and not reliable but a couple mentioning bale may like a return to England and would prefer a move to utd over Chelsea, anything in this or twaddle .

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{Ed001's Note - according to those that know the lad very well, family, friends and former and current coaches of his, at least the ones I have managed to speak to, they all say he has no interest in leaving Spain and is really happy there. Unless Madrid want rid, which I have not heard of any genuine talk of that being the case just yet, it is highly unlikely he will be moving this summer. Money may talk I guess, but this is his dream, playing for Madrid.}


1.) 17 May 2017 11:21:28
Cheers mate, greizmann it is then hopefully if bale a none starter, damn talk sport building my hopes up.


 

 

 

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30 Aug 2018 18:50:53
I see a bit of great man management from Southgate to inspire Shaw's return to form and his inclusion back into the England squad . (in gest fellas)
Anyway well done to Shaw and hopefully we will see him wearing England's number 3 shirt, and as I've said 3 I should probably point out that coincidentally that's the number of times .

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15 Jul 2018 22:29:42
A few final thoughts on the world cup, not many strikers hit the heights lewandowski, Costa, Jesus, aguero, Suarez, giroud, Werner and falcoa may feel a little disappointed and lukaku and kane will be grateful for a pretty easy group .
Not many keepers caught the eye even the very best ones ddg and neuer .
In defense trippier played well but varane was truely world class .
Midfield, modric showed he can run a game and pogba and kante have shone for their discipline .
The star of the show has been mbabbe who has looked electric in the later stages .
The big guns had mixed fortune, Ronaldo had one great game, Messi disappointed and maybe has a little too much influence if reports are correct and neymar has undoubtedly got talent but is a bit embarrassing sometimes play acting .
I wasn't left feeling there was a truely outstanding team even the final the dominant team lost, but fair does France were probably just about the best team in it .
I'm not as critical of England as others have been, we are half decent but badly lack a player or two with stardust but then again that applies to a fair few teams I guess.

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1.) 16 Jul 2018 01:39:57
Good shout Slate. I noticed that as well, many strikers scoring in the group stages, but not as much in the knockout rounds. I thought Subasic and Courtois each put in a big performance along the way. Mbappe's pace is breathtaking. Even that brilliant pass today from Pogba, Mbappe began 10 yards behind the defender before blowing by him. Perisic deserves a mention for an outstanding performance, capped off by his goal today. He doesn't just beat his man and get crosses off, he overpowers opponents offensively and defensively.

But most of all, I thought Luka Modric was absolutely brilliant. That said, I think France won simply because of too much quality - Varane, Umtiti, Kante and Pogba controlled the middle and then you have Pogba combining with Mbappe and Griezmann going forward. That is a lot of quality right down the spine of the team, and they are deserved winners.


 

 

25 Jun 2018 22:45:19
I'm interested in people's thoughts on the England Belgium game and would like to pose a dilemma, if u were England manager would you do the honourable thing try and beat Belgium then run into maybe Colombia, Brazil and Spain to get to a final or play a draw where u have 2 more players booked than belgium and avoid Germany Brazil Spain and Croatia, you rest the entire first team and don't lose a player u need through a second yellow card and have an extra days rest and the whole squad have had a game, there's no wrong answer to me, things can change Brazil may not win their group but it's likely they will and Germany are second if Mexico get a point, it makes Japan and maybe Switzerland a route to the semis, like I say you'd be armed with the info by Thursday would u do the smart thing or the honerable thing, I have a feeling I know how Belgium may see it.

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1.) 25 Jun 2018 23:50:09
I don’t get this honourable thing, or strategic loss nonsense.

This England side has yet to be tested by a top team in the WC. Confidence is high now, but that can only be maintained if they keep winning. Imagine being in the top international competition, and the manager says this next game doesn’t really matter, or it would probably do us good if we lose this one. Ridiculous. Players are concerned with finding their best form in the tournament, or maintaining it. Both teams will be looking for a win, quite simply because momentum is the best weapon in an international tournament. Think of the mentality that you build if you look for the easier second round draw.

England aren’t going to win the WC, but they should at least give it a proper go.


2.) 26 Jun 2018 01:04:47
I agree with Danny. Confidence is maintained by winning. Southgate could possibly change a player or two if he is worried about one getting a second yellow.


3.) 26 Jun 2018 07:24:36
Why would the squad players lose? Surely if your given a chance to play at the world cup and possibly grab yourself a place in the first team you'll give it your all.

Belgium will be without Lukaku apparently. So there is a good chance we win this game regardless.

You should always try and win and play well, tournament football is all about momentum.


4.) 26 Jun 2018 07:50:32
As opposed to our football shappy which is more about non - momentum😂😂.


5.) 26 Jun 2018 09:12:49
Definately try to win the game. By all means rest some players and give some of the squad a run out but play to win . We've not seen any thing from any other team which England should fear. In fact England look like the best team in the tournament. Let's build on the fantastic start, have a good go and see how far it takes us.


6.) 26 Jun 2018 18:56:22
Fair points lads momentum may be key, nobody suggested losing the game tho, strategic loss was added by someone else, was wether a draw was better with 2 bookings more than belgium no mentioning anything about losing .


 

 

14 May 2018 21:40:06
I've found it an interesting debate that's been going on, on here about Jose. I hope we don't all become entrenched in our views and stick to them no matter what .
If he's not yr cup of tea but he buys a few players and the performances improve then I hope we all root for him .
If it gets to Christmas and it's pretty clear we are nowhere near and it's still turgid to watch then I hope people say that's enough of this .
I think both points of view are valid his track record is that of a winner but then again we all have eyes and it's not pretty.
Everyone wants us to be successful we just disagree how that will happen for the record I'm not sitting totally on the fence I can't stand the way we play but I'd not fire a bloke for coming second and getting to a cup final but I would say to him if you want to play that way then you really do have to win things and compete for the major honours to justify it .

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1.) 14 May 2018 21:50:15
Good post, mate.


2.) 14 May 2018 23:02:49
Both sides of the fence are correct in their own way. I think a lot of our problems don't stem from Jose but he often exacerbates them. Take the style of play issue for example. In Jose's favour the squad is still heavily unbalanced and short in key areas. We have no top level full backs and our centre backs need protection. Moreover, our right hand side is non existent offensively.

But, Jose has refused to develop Luke Shaw, whatever problems the lad has why can't Jose be the one to compromise and try and get through to him in a different manner than his usual 'push the player for a response'? Jose could have pushed for more players in the transfer market. Lastly, Mkhi was probably our best option on the right but Jose got rid of him, again he was a player who needed an arm round the shoulder not public humiliation to motivate him.


3.) 14 May 2018 23:40:11
Good point Slate and i also agree with Nathaniel. As i said in a previous post further down, its his man management and his belief that his way or no way attitude is his downfall. A good manager is not one who doesn't listen, but one who listens and makes the right decisions. Mourinho to his detriment belongs to the former characteristic.


4.) 15 May 2018 07:37:05
Must be all those trophies weighing him down that means he always makes bad decisions.


5.) 15 May 2018 08:43:47
Luke Shaw is a professional athlete not fit enough to play matches. How is this Jose’s fault. He’s an adult and should take responsibility for his lack of application and effort because he has all the talent. Miki simply was a bad buy it happens under every manager at every club.


6.) 15 May 2018 08:53:51
Ken, no one is saying Jose hasn't been successful. The question is has Jose become a victim of his own success?

Jose has always been arrogant, but has his success made him so arrogant that he can't learn from his mistakes as he doesn't believe he makes any?

Jose has won the title in his second year at every club bar ours, his last job ended with him leaving the club he took to the title close to the relegation zone.

He doesn't seem to have the same zest he used to, his interviews tend to come in one of two options. Sulky Jose who points out everyone messed up bar him or gloating Jose saying see I proved you wrong, or this is what I've won. No jokes, no smiles.

This is not the same Jose as before, so we can't say he will definitely have the same success as before.

At some point even the greatest become a spent force, I think it's safe to say there is more success in Jose's past then there will likely be in his future.

He is still a very good manager, he has just slipped into yesterday's man, as younger, fresher men have replaced him. The future success belongs to them. Maybe it makes more sense hitching our wagon onto someone on the up rather than someone on the down.


7.) 15 May 2018 09:19:42
Eric, Shaw has the exact same issue Rooney had all of his career. He needs games to play himself into fitness. Wayne would come back at the start of every preseason over weight and would need to play 3-4 games in a row to reach peak fitness. When he came back from injury it would take nearly a month for him to be back up to speed. That's one of the reasons his goals often came in spurts.

Shaw is the same, he starts a game does well but tires towards the end. Then he doesn't play for a month and the same issue happens again. When Shaw played 3-4 games in a row for us by the time he got to the 3rd/ 4th game he was close to or was our man of the match in most games. Then Jose dropped him again.

Shaw could be great for us, and I fully expect him to do very well wherever he goes as long as he can steer clear of injury. He is unlikely to a player who plays at their peak into their mid 30's but he could like Rooney be a player who shines bright at a younger age then fades younger than others.


8.) 15 May 2018 09:20:45
LVG came with a pretty decent CV. People could still see his best days were behind him, from watching the way Holland played in the World Cup alone.


9.) 15 May 2018 09:27:24
And you gather that opinion even if you state it as fact based on what shappy?
You don't know him or have never met him and you have no idea what he says behind closed doors. For every player that says bad about him there will be 2 that sing his praises.
You really have no idea what mistakes he makes or what advice he takes. There was no more arrogant a manager than fergie in many respects. Or no more arrogant a man than pep. If you Ever get to the very top in your career after your studies you will probably have some arrogance about you then.
But you have no idea what it takes to become one of the best in the world at what you do. Most of us don't.
Your bias is very evident in your posts and remarks which clouds your judgements. The reality is none of us have the expertise to make such outlandish remarks. But it doesn't stop us doing it😂

You love an 'I told you so' but you are as often wrong as you are right on this page.


10.) 15 May 2018 09:49:23
Top post ken. Shappy you simply dislike Jose and that is clouding your judgement on him. Every top manager has an ego and arrogance about their philosophy or how football should be played. For me pep is the best manager in the league. But he is also the most arrogant and stubborn. If it was not for an open chequebook he would be nowhere near where he is now. In his first season it was very clear that city did not have the right players to play out from the back yet he still did it and they were poor that season. Fast forward now the guy stuck to his guns and they have had a magnificent season. Whose to say Jose won’t get this side playing better once he sorts out the defence properly? You are almost hoping he fails so you can say I told you so. I am backing the manager because that is the right thing to do. I don’t agree with everything he does especially the way he has singled out shaw. But we also do not see what goes on behind the scenes. Fans are too quick to jump on Jose and blame him for being a narcissist and the devil incarnate. If he fails next year I will happily take the ‘I told you so’ from mourinho out brigade because I don’t mind being proven wrong. But at least I am backing the manager for as long as he is here because he is one of us whilst he is managing the club. Some may argue he does not get the club or the traditions blah blah blah but we protect or own at united. And when he leaves my loyalty to him will go and then it will be behind the next manager. What chance does Jose have when even his own fans are waiting for him to fail? Whose to say when the new manager comes in that this cycle will not repeat again if we are not playing city esque football?


11.) 15 May 2018 11:17:41
Slate151 (OP), I think the beauty of this site is that the views of others who post here can be very persuasive. Before we had this latest debate on Jose I wanted him gone this summer. However, I have genuinely been convinced to be patient and give it another year.

Why? Well, because people have pointed out:
1) He's a serial winner
2. The squad has needed massive changes and two years is not long enough to rebuild
3. The first few years under Fergie were pretty dire.
4. Stability is better than constant change
5. There are perhaps reasons why we are not playing more attacking football yet.

Also, because I'm generally a positive person. I don't like to be negative. So, I have genuniely been convinced to put aside my dislikes and doubts and give Jose a chance to deliver. I'm even thinking that for the reasons I've listed above and barring some Jose self implosion, we should give him at least another two seasons and perhaps a full five years.

Of course, just because something happened in the past doesn't mean it's going to continue into the future. However, we can learn from history. So, I think that we can see Mourinho the same was as Moyes and LVC, in which case we should recognise that he will never come good and get rid ASAP. Or, we should see him as a Fergie figure and give him plenty of time and patience to do what he needs to do to get us back to the top again.

There's no point in flim flamming in the middle. That's just indecisive and confusing. So, if Jose is not a Moyes/ LVG, let's see if he can tap into his inner Fergie.

Go Jose or go home!


12.) 15 May 2018 11:36:41
Really good post manc man.


13.) 15 May 2018 12:16:58
Mourinho as a Fergie figure, whatever next.


14.) 15 May 2018 12:21:40
Manc
The guy finished 2 Nd in the league and is in the cup final, I don't think he can be sacked for that, however the performances have been dire lots of times .
Posters have pointed out if he changes a few players that will get better, well I'm all for seeing if it does and hope it does . However if he changes some and it's still dire to watch then the it's the players thing goes out the window . I don't understand what's wrong with let's just see before forming yr opinion on the long term .


15.) 15 May 2018 16:19:38
Sorry Shappy. Shaw is fat for a footballer and can’t stay fit or even try to. Ship him out.


16.) 15 May 2018 18:17:48
Thanks Ken, he better bloody well deliver tho!


 

 

04 May 2018 10:29:55
I'm glad Jose is stating he wants squad players to stay as wether he wants them to or not it's more sensible to say he wants them at utd when we negotiate with other teams than saying he duznt want them . You wouldn't tell someone buying yr car how much you don't want it, you say how good it is .
We all hope for a big name midfielder maybe savic, if we get someone like this then itl be hard for any other midfield arrivals to get in the side as they would have to oust newboy, pogba and matic. Fellani maybe wants well rewarding for agreeing to stay as a squad player, more than he's worth but the alternative could be shell out on another midfielder, still big wages and still just a squad player, it may make more sense to use that money on a player in a different position who will be a first team starter.

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1.) 04 May 2018 11:31:03
I see where you are coming from but i would rather have squad players that push our starting eleven for places or at least is at a similar level for rotation. Its no good having 3 good midfielders with a huge step down in quality to a squad player. Matic looks half the player he was at the start of the season purely because he has had to play pretty much every game. It would be nice to have squad players that can come in and performance of the team not drop drastically.


2.) 04 May 2018 11:34:08
Agree jamie. Nobody really pushing young and valencia for their place I the team same can be said for pogba matic herrera. When fellaini is your 1st reserve midfield player then you know you are short on squad depth and quality.


3.) 04 May 2018 14:21:27
Good point Jaime.


4.) 04 May 2018 15:06:38
Luke Shaw should be pushing Young to start at left back. The fact he is not suggests why he has no future at the club.


5.) 04 May 2018 16:02:57
the only thing young is pushing is big macs into his mouth.


6.) 04 May 2018 17:56:34
Young? He is in great shape.


 

 

 

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06 May 2018 21:09:25
I think the whole do you blame players or the manager thing needs consistency if you feel it's not the managers fault when players performance or attitude are poor as he's not out on the pitch and can't be held accountable when they cross the line that's fine but why praise him when performance and attitude is good when you feel it was nothing to do with him when it wasn't.
To me the buck stops with the manager good or bad . I don't like the way he has us playing most of the time but we are second and in a cup final and as I say buck stops with the manager so to me that's worthy of another chance to make a title challenge . I may like others suspect we are as likely to slip back as keep going forward but that hasn't happened yet . If we do well next year IL praise the manager if we don't IL hold him accountable what I won't do is say he's great when we win but it's the players fault when we lose and nothing to do with him .

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14 Nov 2017 10:35:43
I'm a big bale fan and would have loved us to get him last summer, other posters pointed out it was to risky as he's injured a lot and now to be honest they are being proved correct . Very hard to justify big fee and big wages .

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17 Jul 2017 14:13:18
If there was an acceptance ddg was leaving it would be a big call not to take kroos if it shown to be possible, played for some good sides but made them better a serial trophy winner, you'd need a pretty special side not to fit him in, not realy a destroyer though but offers massive control of a game against good sides to imo.

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15 Jun 2017 18:49:14
Danny IL try and offer a view as why a few struggle with morata price . What's causing his valuation people don't see it in his record, sub then 15 in two seasons at juventos then back to Madrid bench again, nobody saying he's a bad player . Is valuation because there's fierce competition for him forcing the price up, maybe but haven't heard much about that . Or finally is price seeming so high cause they don't want to sell, but they seem fairly keen to negotiate if that's the case, maybe they are only willing to negotiate because it's to good a deal for them not to . Personally I'd walk away explore other options and see if there stance changed a little if all interest went because of the price . Hopefully figures of 70 or 80 million is wild paper talk.

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15 Jun 2017 15:18:09
Agree weggy walk away if there's any truth in 80 million we are trying to compete with real Madrid not finance their next superstar by buying there sub. Who else is going to give them anywhere near that, call there bluff and walk away or change target . I'd rather poke up Torino than real Madrid.

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16 Sep 2018 21:15:27
I can go along with you but only so far redman . You have a clear dislike of the glazers and I can understand why .
The problem is you credit them for 3 champions leagues you think they may win, they have won none, not made a final even . They may well win it soon but Paris backed by their own rich owners, Barcelona, real, ourselves, bayern and a host of others may have a say in the matter, our infrastructure provides local lads in the side how many are in cities, do they have a larger stadium or a bigger fan base .
Our 3 most expensive players all cost most than cities most expensive player, which to me means we could have had any 3 or 4 you want from cities team if we had spent differently . City should have a better squad they have spent more but the players they took were available to us we just chose a different route .
We are one of the world's biggest clubs but so is our wage bill and our transfer outlay, city getting recruitment better than us duznt mean we didn't try it just means they did it better.
Having owners with a dubious human rights record may sit ok with some aslong as the team is successful but it duznt sit rite with everyone .

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09 Sep 2018 12:50:13
I think the signing of Sanchez was popular when it was made he had shown in his time at arsenal he could be a game changer and hopefully he would be a special player for us maybe similar for us as kdb at city or hazard at Chelsea
I can't blame Jose for just how bad his first 6 month have been, there's new tactics and new team mates but in many games that duznt explain being unable to make the simplest of passes.
Lots of people cast their minds back to the first half of the season where rash and martial alternated the left side attacking role and between them were matching goal numbers from the likes of sane and mane in the same position from our rivals . The right hand side just didn't compare tho with others like Salah and Stirling .
The goals then dried up from the left when Sanchez arrived and he played so infield he occupied our left central midfielder pogbas space .
If we were already productive from the left and so far behind on the right and given the fact Sanchez plays so infield anyway then a switch to the right makes sense to me while we wait for him to find form . I'd be surprised if our numbers from the left didn't increase and what's to lose we don't get much from the right anyway .

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04 Sep 2018 16:21:05
I think six points behind after 4 or 5 games means impressed is a bit of a stretch . I think we played well same as pretty much everyone else that's commented about the Burnley game and a win at Watford would suggest the ship is steadied .

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30 Aug 2018 14:42:41
I don't really know much about the media daz, I'd hope any manager would be backed or sacked based on performance unless some sort of MIS conduct was involved .
I don't doubt though media's ability to influence people's opinions .
Fergie did come under pressure in his early years at utd but got through it and the rest was gravy .
Redman above explained clearly why he didn't back Moyes and how he formed his opinion, I agreed with it but it duznt change the fact it was just his opinion and other people may have wished for longer for Moyes and formed a different opinion . So posting a Churchillian speech to back the man utd manager only applied if he liked the manager and if Moyes returned tomorrow then his views would be very different . it's not meant as a potshot at redman it applies to lots of us me included . For the record I back jm as utd manager as the last two seasons he deserves it . As for this season it's too early to say anything as we wouldn't call a marathon race after a hundred metres.

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29 Aug 2018 22:19:41
So no united front and stand by the manager in a time of adversity for him then .
I get what you mean about our manager now tho mate the time to judge where we stand is at the end of the season.

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