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13 Jan 2018 13:49:56
Sanchez has a bit of the Tevez about him. Very emotional. He obviously has all the skills, and when he's motivated his intensity and purpose adds a dimension to his game that any team would covet. So what is it that motivates him.

Clearly it's the thought of winning honours, and conversely looking at he seems to be demotivated by his team's mediocrity. So my guess is that:

1) he would only come to United if he thought he would win the EPL and/ or the Champions League in the next couple of years, and

2) if he did come, and it looked like those objectives were not going to be fulfilled, then it would be a disastrous transfer because his negative emotionality would end up leeching into and upsetting the dressing room.

Like for most supporters winning is ultimately more important than style. Arsenal play with style but they don't win the important trophies any more, which doesn't please their supporters and is clearly a demotivation to top players.


1.) 13 Jan 2018 15:39:18
Agreed for sure!

Lucas Moura maybe?

On another note, I mentioned a defender Jorge Mere who was at Espanyol and now at Koln and NOW Barça are after him!

We should have got this guy! Well disappointed!

2.) 13 Jan 2018 16:06:08
Well Ronnie don't mean to be rude but you might have named atleast 200 players by now. It might be difficult for United hierarchy to properly understand which one you want.

3.) 13 Jan 2018 16:34:44
I deserved that! 😂.

4.) 13 Jan 2018 21:09:56
For Sanchez's supposed attitude you can see the same thing happening at Spurs in the next 18 months if they win nothing -Ali, Erikson etc have no real affinity to Spurs as many players don't to their clubs. Sanchez probably looks around and sees nothing there but the odd FA CUp. maybe views us the same . time will tell.



05 Apr 2017 14:41:52
Two woodworks and a good goal disallowed epitomise what has been a most frustrating season. It's giving me ulcers. Virtually every game we've played we have created enough good chances to win the game handily. It's not down to tactics, it's down to finishing. The team in general seems to be suffering from a collective psychological block and somehow or other that problem has to be overcome.

The weight of expectation for players like Shaw, Pogba, Rashford, Martial, and Mhki needs to be lifted so that they are loose enough to begin to play to their potential. At present I'm sure the burden is as unbearable for the players as it is the fans.


1.) 05 Apr 2017 14:57:00
If you hit the post you have missed the target, its not bad luck it's a miss.

2.) 05 Apr 2017 15:11:46
It started since we stopped Dabbing and doing crazy handshakes for winning throw ins and corners! We need to bring them back.

3.) 05 Apr 2017 15:39:39
We've had the third most shots in the league.

No team in Europe have hit the bar/ post more than us. In fact we've hit it 9 more times than any other team.

5 of the 7 goalkeepers to win man of the match in the EPL this season have done so against us.

No team in the EPL has had more shot saved than us.

No team in the EPL has had more shots blocked than us.

It's starting to feel like a voodoo or gypsy curse. Surely we can't continue to be this unlucky.

4.) 05 Apr 2017 15:53:05
It's not bad luck though shappy.

5.) 05 Apr 2017 16:08:40
Strange how top sports men don't have bad luck .
It's all excesses and a bit embarrassing.
"There other gk had a good game "

Ddg been our best player the last 4 year . Luck or poor finishing?

6.) 05 Apr 2017 16:23:36
If it's not luck then what is it?

As for DDG making many saves, he does it every week, that's what makes him world class. Many of the keepers who have won motm against us this season have done so with their best performance in several years. They aren't world class keepers, they just have a strangely world class performance against us. Robles last night had a very good game, yet was awful a couple of days before against Liverpool.

The running joke this season is who is the best keeper in the world? Whoever's​ playing against United this week.

If you were Jose what would you be doing differently to make these chances into goals?

7.) 05 Apr 2017 16:36:20
I'm not Jose that's why he gets paid the big bucks .
Martial Rasford Ibra miki pogba mata I could go on have shown they are good players, have shown they can put the ball in net .

Chelsea where awful last season, poor at the start of the season, conte worked it out tho, and Chelsea and conte haven't been lucky in the same way United haven't been unlucky .
Over a season it works itself out .

Gk are there to make saves, defenders are there to defend you can't complain when the other team play well it sounds pathetic .

8.) 05 Apr 2017 16:37:57
By the way never mind chances, United have been poor the last couple of month as a team.

9.) 05 Apr 2017 16:41:18
Should also say getting the best out of your players is a very if not the most important job of the manager.

10.) 05 Apr 2017 16:42:58
Well put Shappy.

11.) 05 Apr 2017 20:06:38
I'd stop whining and slagging off my players. Just saying.

12.) 06 Apr 2017 21:11:02
I was trying to be sarcastic shaps! Guess I should put that in brackets lol.

We have been unlucky in many ways but we should also be doing better regardless of 'bad luck'

13.) 08 Apr 2017 09:15:02
Chipping in on the lucky/ unlucky theme.

If you're good enough you make your own luck surely?

What the stats suggest, in my opinion, is that we keep possession and stay compact. But we don't take risks often or quickly enough. And that's reflected in how we play.

Some of that is legacy of the last few years, some is the players and some is the manager.

I'm not a Jose fan, but i do believe he has to be given the time to implement his style. Personally i think if the goals and performances aren't showing through next season then he isn't going to achieve it.



30 Nov 2016 18:23:29
I cannot see us changing the manager under virtually any circumstances other than a complete capitulation. Without that Jose will be given the year. If we win the Europa and finish 8th in the league we will be in the Champions League. (I think we will finish 5th or 6th) . If we were to fire him then finding a new manager will be difficult except, of course, that failure = a big pay off when the contract is cancelled which may be something of a consolation.

A lot of the criticism is unfounded. The team has been playing quite well, just not getting the results. This brings us to Ibra. We all knew from the beginning that his role was a short term stop gap for a year or two while Martial and Rashford mature.

The last 3 years have been pretty dire by our standards, but at least this year the team is playing with attacking intent. Be grateful. At least that's the first of the complaints about LVG satisfied. In my view the anxiety of the fans is feeding into the players, so relax folks. Support the team and the manager and have hope.


1.) 30 Nov 2016 21:59:30
He is staying. Keep this simple.



29 Nov 2015 23:27:16
Another week goes by and the top teams struggle to win. City's scoreline flattered them, with their goals coming as much from errors by Southampton. It really has become a difficult league and our point at Leicester was not bad, all things considered. If Arsenal have Sanchez injured for a while their challenge may well falter, giving Liverpool and Spurs an opening. We have an opportunity to take advantage of what should be some winnable games and go into the new year on top. Will we take it?





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14 Mar 2018 12:04:45
My United friend of 50 years sent me an email this morning asking what I thought of last night.

Firstly, I am astonished by how uninspiring and ineffective Sanchez has been. I had thought his poor form at Arsenal was down to discontent but now I'm not so sure. Maybe he's just lost his edge. In which case the club will now be saddled with his enormous wages, essentially becoming the new Wayne Rooney, for the next 4 years. Or perhaps its the set up he's being asked to operate in.

In general though, I thought we deserved to lose. There seems to be no cohesion in the team at all, and certainly not enough effort and desire. Sevilla looked so much more accomplished with great movement, deft touches, fluidity and width. Our inadequate performance could have been partly down to fatigue having played Liverpool on Saturday, and/ or a complacency/ hubris after the victory, and/ or a poor tactical plan, and/ or our players are simply paid far more than they're worth. But most of all I put it down to our even more turgid performance in the first leg, which set us up to fail last night by ensuring that Mourinho would primarily be playing not to concede a goal. It was very disappointing.

I understand that Mourinho made some comment about how it's nothing new for United to lose at home in the ECL, that he won at OT with both Porto and RM. After a comment like that I would be looking for a new manager.


1.) 14 Mar 2018 12:48:18
Agree about sacking him after those post match comments but will still give him the benefit of the doubt as he had nothing else to be positive about.
This game reminded me of last years europa semi finals where we got away with the same approach had it not been for the ex man city striker.

2.) 14 Mar 2018 12:54:49

As always these things get taken well out of context, he was saying the club isn't screwed just because we lost in the CL, it didn't come across like he was bragging but reading it you would think he banged on about how amazing he was.

There was 10 things worse last night than his post match comments, just got everything wrong.

3.) 14 Mar 2018 13:30:25
Gds stop defending him, he isn't some guy whose English isn't really good. He knew what he was saying very well. We have reached a stage where a utd manager is basically telling fans that we are used to mediocrity and it isn't his fault. I don't care if he wins the FA cup or not he needs to go.

4.) 14 Mar 2018 13:35:23
Really GDS? To me it came across like he was highlighting his ability to win CL games, and contrasting it to our losses - i. e. Jose ain’t the problem, the club is.

5.) 14 Mar 2018 13:47:20
Must admit I sort of saw it like that too danny .

Why couldn't just say we had a bad day and deservedly got beat is beyond me.

6.) 14 Mar 2018 13:50:52
Yeah, no need to say anything other than it was a bad performance, let the fans down, going to make sure that we improve, etc.

Only reason to bring up his two CL wins at Old Trafford is to stroke his own ego.

7.) 14 Mar 2018 19:39:31
Ah too soon then 😂. I just don’t care about press conferences and think people care too much, I’m more interested in what happened on the pitch which was unacceptable.



14 Mar 2018 00:23:48
This match was lost in the first leg where our performance was dreadful, hoping not to lose, rather than trying to win the game. That set up today's debacle where we had to play with too much caution knowing that any score draw would knock us out.

What was striking was the fluidity of Sevilla's game. Players seemed to know where their team mates were, displaying intricate passing movements and deft touches. Despite a few very good squandered chances that fell to us in the latter stages, they were the better side and overall deserved their victory.

Hopefully we will be in this competition next year, and if we are, then perhaps the manager and players will approach it with a different attitude, assuming that is that our players have as much talent as their ridiculous wages ought to command.




10 Mar 2018 20:15:41
We had one moment of good fortune when Van Dijk missed a great chance at the near post from a corner when the score was 1-0, and we had one moment of bad luck when Bailly contrived to score an o. g, but beyond that we were the ones who created by far the best chances. Had Mata scored when wide open the game could have been a stroll.

Frankly I was quite surprised how easily we shut down the mighty Liverpool offense which everyone knows is the best in the world. All I can say is that our defence must be pretty darned good given how much those guys are hyped by the Liverpool fans and the press.


1.) 10 Mar 2018 20:28:42
Played well today good defensive performance.
But shows how goals make a difference . we had 2 shots on target today 1 a deflection .

2.) 10 Mar 2018 21:34:34
Watched the game without knowing result. This is the type of game Jose is meant for. Got a 2 goal lead and made us very hard to break down, an exceptional defensive performance which was probably necessary. Made Liverpool look very ordinary indeed, which is very impressive considering we hunkered down and prepared for the barrage early on. I'd be very angry as a Liverpool fan at how little they offered going forward.

Good job Rash had his shooting boots on today, good team performance on the whole - I imagine this one gave Jose immense satisfaction and sets us up well for Sevilla.

But still awful attacking as a team, we fortunately were pretty clinical today but this was a defensive masterclass and a valuable 3 points. Exactly the type of thing Ken was talking about the other day, players doing exactly as the manager wanted and it working out. Happy with this against Liverpool, wouldn't be against a team like Brighton though!

3.) 10 Mar 2018 22:52:03
Yeah same amount as at anfield. But there was more attacking intent today which you would exoect at home.

4.) 11 Mar 2018 00:47:36
Yeah beast exactly what i was talking about yesterday and lo and behold those saying i was talking nonsense are praising the exact thing today.
Ill give you one thing beast you are consistent and true to your opinions your no fence sitter mate. 😂😂.



11 Feb 2018 13:42:22
{Ed's Note - shawthing has posted a new article entitled, Complications with a European Super Champions League


1.) 11 Feb 2018 15:08:41
Good post Shaw. I'd love to see a European Super League but I'm just not sure in practice how this would work and the effect it might have on those not involved?

Would it be of benefit to the whole game or just the big clubs involved.

If there was no promotion or relegation it might become pretty stale after a while?



09 Feb 2018 16:22:38
Despite our rising wage bill and the large amount being paid to Sanchez, which will in part be offset by Mhkitaryan's actual and Zlatan's imminent departure, it seems the total wage bill is still well below 50% of total sales/ revenues. The amount of revenue after deducting wages is more than £300m, which is more than the total revenue of all but 4 premier league teams. Most teams would be delighted with that. If Jose is truly intending to bring in only 2 or 3 new players in the summer then the healthy financial state we seem to be in seems set to continue - as long as we make top 3 or 4.


1.) 09 Feb 2018 16:29:02
Add other potential departures on top too. Carrick will be retiring so can be added with Zlatan. Fellaini and Blind also likely to go. And I can see Smalling departing. All those would soak up 2-3 new arrivals.

2.) 09 Feb 2018 19:38:21
Please don’t forget about darmian going🙏.




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23 Jul 2017 20:46:28
He's not worth a penny over £150m.




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20 Jun 2017 13:13:24
Wouldn't surprise me if RM themseves were behind the Ronaldo rumours with the intention of complicating the Morata deal and ultimately getting a better price.




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08 Jun 2017 20:24:00
Compared to when the Glazers bought the club the interest payments are quite small. At that time our revenue/ turnover was approximately 1/ 3rd of what it is now and debt was twice as much with some high rate of interest loans. £400m net debt is very manageable especially when compared to Forbes recent valuation of the club at almost £3bn. In other words the directors have every reason to be satisfied with the capital structure of the club as it is. Debt elimination will be less important than fulfilment of the overall business plan.




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06 Jun 2017 22:38:53
Sanchez is in his last contract year with Arsenal which puts the power firmly in the hands of the player. The club will want to avoid the risk of losing him for nothing at the end of next season. Will he accept the reported £300k a week to stay where he is and play Europa League football? Given, no doubt, there are other suitors, is there any chance he will want to play in Manchester? Does he like Mourinho? I can see him leaving the Gunners for maybe £400k per week wages but a transfer fee closer to £50m than £80m.





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20 Mar 2018 21:24:26
When SAF first became manager the league was comprised predominately of British talent, with a few northern Europeans thrown in. The mangers and owners were also British. Match day revenue was the main source of income. As a result English football was completely different in every way to the way it is today. With a few exceptions, like Ronaldo and Van Nistelrooy, once the market for talent became global, it seems to me that SAF's recruitments started to wane . He will obviously go down as possibly the best manager ever for his accomplishments at Aberdeen and then United, but perhaps he was of his time. I wonder whether he would have achieved as much in today's environment.




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15 Mar 2018 21:08:04
Can a player who is capable only of playing well when on the left side of a midfield 3 be reasonably considered to be great?




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05 Mar 2018 23:20:56
Sanchez was not great but at least he played a couple of clever balls into the penalty area that were very difficult to defend. Pogba was absolutely shocking the first half, McTominay revealed himself to be the average player he is, and even Lingard was sloppy.

Beyond the lethargy, the tactics were mystifying. Young and Valencia have come in for some criticism however, to their credit, both of them were up and down their respective wings all night only to be spurned or missed by Sanchez, Pogba, and McTominay all of whom preferred to try to thread a needle through a non-existant hole in the middle. The only time the backs were passed to was when they were not in space, thus the attacks were slowed down. When they were in space they were ignored. On one occasion in particular, Young must have had 20 yards to work with if the ball had been passed to him, but no, it was back down the middle.

After CP's second goal I was so frustrated I had to turn it off and take a ten minute break and missed Smalling's goal.




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05 Mar 2018 23:08:17
Smalling and Lindelof are arguably the worst of the 5 central defenders on our roster. Both seem to lack balance and poise, and be prone to desperate clearances even when there is little pressure, giving away corners when it could have been throw-ins, or throw-ins where it could have been a full clearance. They are made to look even worse when they are put under extra pressure by sloppy, slow, and disinterested midfielders ahead of them.




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01 Mar 2018 12:13:20
The scope needs to be limited to offside decisions, where it is virtually impossible for the assistant ref to judge accurately, plus diving and hand ball in the penalty area. The rest should be left to the ref at least until the process is fully flushed out and can be implemented quickly. As far as diving outside the penalty area is concerned, they should review after the game and start meting out punishments for offenders. Fines, bans, and even point deductions should be considered, especially where the dive materially affected the outcome. That would soon put an end to all the cheating.

As far as offside is concerned, it may require a change in process. Rather than blow the whistle, the assistant ref's flag should trigger an instantaneous review by VAR, while play continues. It really doesn't take more than 10-30 seconds to determine whether an active player is or is not in an offside position when the ball was passed forward. If the VAR official can't determine for sure within the limited time allotted then the goal stands. I don't see how the pure determination of whether one player is ahead of the last defender is technically a whole lot more complicated than determining whether the ball crossed the goal line fully.

The last thing football needs is an opportunity for advertisers to step in while decisions are being made, which is why I am also firmly against the proposals to have official clock stoppages for delays. The money folks will definitely try to exploit them for profit, and we will end up like American sports which even have things called "TV time outs" for no other reason than advertising.

Finally, some human error is an intrinsic part of the game. Error and injustice makes the sport a wonderful metaphor for real life, which is fraught with injustice. By all means try to remove the most egregious cheating, but take all error away, and we may as well just read about how sport used to be.