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29 Jan 2019 22:38:42
Frustrating game in many ways, which could have been so different had Rashford scored as he should have done in the first 10 minutes. He did not have a great game and nor did Pereira who looked completely out of his depth against a very aggressive midfield. I really don't think he's good enough for United, or indeed the type of player who will do very well in the EPL.

In this new system Sanchez looks like he could contribute significantly. A forward line of Rashford, Martial and Sanchez seems like it ought to pay dividends.


1.) 30 Jan 2019 05:23:42
Agreed, the interplay of Lukaku near the penalty box is not fluid as between Rash, Martial and Lingard.

2.) 30 Jan 2019 09:31:55
I was sat in the East end at OT. We should have had another penalty.

3.) 30 Jan 2019 14:28:00
To be honest I think Pereira didn't have his best game ever, but Jones throw him a brick, and then he got completely confused in the one-one defending.

I believe Pereira could be better but in an attacking position and no asan "herreras" replacement.

This is the first Ole´s game we start losing and that does not goes as planned, but the squad show commitment and desire. If Rashford scores that 10m goal the game would have been completely different with space and time for counters but rubbish happens. Let's focus on the next games and let's hope we have a great february.

i think it is better for Ole and the team to have lost the winning streak now and no in a game against PSG or Chelsea.




26 Dec 2018 22:43:47
Very good to see United score 8 goals in 2 games even if it was against teams near the bottom against whom we've been having all sorts of trouble. The tempo and the pressing seem to be what's needed. Perhaps Sanchez and Lukaku will benefit from it when they come back into the reckoning. But suffice it to say we have now scored 37 goals this season. If we can double it in the second half it will be our best haul since SAF's last year. If we're going to come 6th then the United way is surely that it's more entertaining to do it with 75 goals for and 55 goals against than with 50 goals for and 30 goals against.

I must say I've been unimpressed by Dalot defensively. He doesn't look like he has the pace and his positioning appears very suspect. I know he's young and there's an adjustment time - Evra didn't settle immediately - but nevertheless he's going to have to improve dramatically to cement that right back position. The other new player who doesn't they seem to have what it takes is Fred. It's hard to believe we were persuaded to spend £52m for him - or perhaps not, given some of our purchases recently. We would have done better spending it on a top center half. Many United fans criticized Liverpool for spending so much on Van Dijk but he seems like a bargain at this juncture.


1.) 26 Dec 2018 23:26:42
Shawthing, speed can be deceptive. Dalot was clocked as being the fastest player on the pitch today. But if the timing of that speed is not right it can be wasted.
He is a raw talent no doubt. We don’t have great options right now.

2.) 26 Dec 2018 23:44:01
Give the young lad Dalot a break. A couple of weeks ago against Fulham he couldn't get enough praise. That he was the answer to our right wing back problem for the next 10 years. Then a weaker game today and you're not sure is he going to make it. Inconsistency is a given for a teenager. Support your own.

3.) 27 Dec 2018 07:15:15
In fairness, that was one of Huddersfield’s tactics, mbenza is very quick, and Anytine they could they tried releasing him. Dalot was on the back foot very quickly after an attack broke down. Great lesson for the Lad.

4.) 27 Dec 2018 07:29:16
Dalot is young, 19 years old and playing only his third game in the EPL. His last performance won him man of the match so I see no reason to be worried about him. He is young and he will be inconsistent, he will make mistakes that is all part of learning. He has the qualities to become a world class full back, we need to give him the time and the chances for him to fulfill that potential.

5.) 27 Dec 2018 10:20:15
Dalot is certainly my Pick over an aging TonyV and Young (who is doing ok too) .
He is our future at right back, so let him play I say.

6.) 27 Dec 2018 11:25:22
He looks more like a future winger to me. He doesn't seem interested in defending.

7.) 27 Dec 2018 15:25:05
We've been defending whole season and still conceding goals. I don't even care whether Dalot comes back to defend or not. It was just nice to see our right back in the opposition box getting a cross from our striker and almost scoring a goal.

8.) 27 Dec 2018 18:07:46
Centre back and we are sorted Imo. we have options everywhere else. I'm really excited by dalot him, Shaw and lindelof could be together for a while along time and build a good understanding.

9.) 27 Dec 2018 19:03:50
Also how he plays will depend a lot on who is managing him. He did well defensively in Mourinho's defensive set up.

Ole has said publicly he wants our full backs to push up high and overlap our wingers. So if that is what is being asked of Dalot then it's good to see him following the managers commands.



02 Dec 2018 17:46:30
Assuming the rumours are true, if you believe your £90m transfer is playing with inadequate effort and/ or a poor mentality, a dressing down in the changing room in front of team mates is perfectly reasonable. I bet every one of us who have played sports have at some time or other have heard it from a coach or a colleague. Grow up and knuckle down. Most of the kids who watch you would kill for a chance at 1/ 10th of the benefits your innate talent has brought you.

The fact is Pogba is a disappointment. While he covers a fair amount of ground within a team that consistently covers the least in the EPL, he rarely sprints, neither in offence or defence. This characteristic was visible when he first stepped on the field in a United jersey before he went to Juventus. He looks lackadaisical, and it's probably one of the reasons why Ferguson was not inclined to fight to keep him. The problem is that, while he has talent, he is way to into himself to be a true leader, and that's the key role we need him to fill. A player who leads by example.

We are 5 years into the post-Fergie era and we are worse than ever. We do have some good players to build a team around but it's hard to see anything positive coming from them in the current climate. Given the amount of money we've spent, the only conclusion we can draw is that we are infected by a virus. Whether the source is Pogba, Mourinho or the general club mentality itself is a matter of conjecture. My own sense is that Woodward, Mourinho and Pogba are all symptoms of a deeper problem.


1.) 02 Dec 2018 21:07:06
All 3 of them should go at the end of the season.

We should say thanks Jose but uts not worked ta-ra. Says Pogba but you want to go to Spain so here's the asking price. And Woodward should have the decency to say "it was my decision to appoint Jose so I'll step down. "

2.) 03 Dec 2018 06:49:20
Fergie did want to keep Pogba, it was out of his hands. and while you might think Pogba has been disappointing his season, so has Lukaku, Rashford, Martial (most of the time), Bailly, Fred, Matic. who hasn't been disappointing? People might point to Shaw, but he hasn't gotten back to the 2-way beast he was looking like before his injury either.

I think when that many players aren't performing you have to look at the manager. And it's not like Mourinho's faults have been hard to see. Bizarre team selections and subs, consistently embarrassing behaviour, publicly sledging players all the time and bemoaning a lack of signings.

He's got to go. He's not one of us and he never will be.



13 Jan 2018 13:49:56
Sanchez has a bit of the Tevez about him. Very emotional. He obviously has all the skills, and when he's motivated his intensity and purpose adds a dimension to his game that any team would covet. So what is it that motivates him.

Clearly it's the thought of winning honours, and conversely looking at he seems to be demotivated by his team's mediocrity. So my guess is that:

1) he would only come to United if he thought he would win the EPL and/ or the Champions League in the next couple of years, and

2) if he did come, and it looked like those objectives were not going to be fulfilled, then it would be a disastrous transfer because his negative emotionality would end up leeching into and upsetting the dressing room.

Like for most supporters winning is ultimately more important than style. Arsenal play with style but they don't win the important trophies any more, which doesn't please their supporters and is clearly a demotivation to top players.


1.) 13 Jan 2018 15:39:18
Agreed for sure!

Lucas Moura maybe?

On another note, I mentioned a defender Jorge Mere who was at Espanyol and now at Koln and NOW Barça are after him!

We should have got this guy! Well disappointed!

2.) 13 Jan 2018 16:06:08
Well Ronnie don't mean to be rude but you might have named atleast 200 players by now. It might be difficult for United hierarchy to properly understand which one you want.

3.) 13 Jan 2018 16:34:44
I deserved that! 😂.

4.) 13 Jan 2018 21:09:56
For Sanchez's supposed attitude you can see the same thing happening at Spurs in the next 18 months if they win nothing -Ali, Erikson etc have no real affinity to Spurs as many players don't to their clubs. Sanchez probably looks around and sees nothing there but the odd FA CUp. maybe views us the same . time will tell.



05 Apr 2017 14:41:52
Two woodworks and a good goal disallowed epitomise what has been a most frustrating season. It's giving me ulcers. Virtually every game we've played we have created enough good chances to win the game handily. It's not down to tactics, it's down to finishing. The team in general seems to be suffering from a collective psychological block and somehow or other that problem has to be overcome.

The weight of expectation for players like Shaw, Pogba, Rashford, Martial, and Mhki needs to be lifted so that they are loose enough to begin to play to their potential. At present I'm sure the burden is as unbearable for the players as it is the fans.


1.) 05 Apr 2017 14:57:00
If you hit the post you have missed the target, its not bad luck it's a miss.

2.) 05 Apr 2017 15:11:46
It started since we stopped Dabbing and doing crazy handshakes for winning throw ins and corners! We need to bring them back.

3.) 05 Apr 2017 15:39:39
We've had the third most shots in the league.

No team in Europe have hit the bar/ post more than us. In fact we've hit it 9 more times than any other team.

5 of the 7 goalkeepers to win man of the match in the EPL this season have done so against us.

No team in the EPL has had more shot saved than us.

No team in the EPL has had more shots blocked than us.

It's starting to feel like a voodoo or gypsy curse. Surely we can't continue to be this unlucky.

4.) 05 Apr 2017 15:53:05
It's not bad luck though shappy.

5.) 05 Apr 2017 16:08:40
Strange how top sports men don't have bad luck .
It's all excesses and a bit embarrassing.
"There other gk had a good game "

Ddg been our best player the last 4 year . Luck or poor finishing?

6.) 05 Apr 2017 16:23:36
If it's not luck then what is it?

As for DDG making many saves, he does it every week, that's what makes him world class. Many of the keepers who have won motm against us this season have done so with their best performance in several years. They aren't world class keepers, they just have a strangely world class performance against us. Robles last night had a very good game, yet was awful a couple of days before against Liverpool.

The running joke this season is who is the best keeper in the world? Whoever's​ playing against United this week.

If you were Jose what would you be doing differently to make these chances into goals?

7.) 05 Apr 2017 16:36:20
I'm not Jose that's why he gets paid the big bucks .
Martial Rasford Ibra miki pogba mata I could go on have shown they are good players, have shown they can put the ball in net .

Chelsea where awful last season, poor at the start of the season, conte worked it out tho, and Chelsea and conte haven't been lucky in the same way United haven't been unlucky .
Over a season it works itself out .

Gk are there to make saves, defenders are there to defend you can't complain when the other team play well it sounds pathetic .

8.) 05 Apr 2017 16:37:57
By the way never mind chances, United have been poor the last couple of month as a team.

9.) 05 Apr 2017 16:41:18
Should also say getting the best out of your players is a very if not the most important job of the manager.

10.) 05 Apr 2017 16:42:58
Well put Shappy.

11.) 05 Apr 2017 20:06:38
I'd stop whining and slagging off my players. Just saying.

12.) 06 Apr 2017 21:11:02
I was trying to be sarcastic shaps! Guess I should put that in brackets lol.

We have been unlucky in many ways but we should also be doing better regardless of 'bad luck'

13.) 08 Apr 2017 09:15:02
Chipping in on the lucky/ unlucky theme.

If you're good enough you make your own luck surely?

What the stats suggest, in my opinion, is that we keep possession and stay compact. But we don't take risks often or quickly enough. And that's reflected in how we play.

Some of that is legacy of the last few years, some is the players and some is the manager.

I'm not a Jose fan, but i do believe he has to be given the time to implement his style. Personally i think if the goals and performances aren't showing through next season then he isn't going to achieve it.




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25 Aug 2019 18:34:41
Pocchetino has to go. Losing to Newcastle at home is completely unacceptable. Their players are inadequate. Kane, Son, Erickson, Lucas etc - there's no way any of them would get into a top team. (Just substitute United's manager and players and it sums up many of the comments on this site)


1.) 25 Aug 2019 18:47:47
Champions League finalists losing at home to relegation fodder, it kind of brings some perspective doesn’t it? Probably not to some of the strident negheads on here.

2.) 25 Aug 2019 18:50:06
I think all of that would be valid if spurs only one 3 of their last 15. And had finished 6th 4 of the last 6 years.
The judgment people are making shawthing is not based on 1 game but on a sustained period.

3.) 25 Aug 2019 18:46:30
Yet he won the champions league last year.

Pocchetino and Ole has no comparison and it is embarassing comparing the two.

4.) 25 Aug 2019 18:53:05
It doesn’t and you know it doesn’t.

Spurs are a team with major wage and transfer restrictions that have finished in the top four for the last four consecutive seasons under Poch, and got the cl final last season.

It’s as if any criticism of United, or analysis of why we have done so poorly under Ole is immediately met by this type of ham fisted reductionism.

5.) 25 Aug 2019 18:58:13
Ken. Remind me of all the trophies Spurs have won in the last 6 years.

It's 11 years since they won the League Cup. Despite all the upheaval at least we managed an FA and a Europa Cup.

6.) 25 Aug 2019 19:00:13
How long is this sustained period ken?

7.) 25 Aug 2019 19:28:55
Danny, maybe the on-site is true, maybe Ole isn’t getting a chance because of 6 years of failure and the dire end to last season. How about we give him 10 games?

8.) 25 Aug 2019 20:54:02
Ajh, iam not for 1 moment suggesting ole should be fired. I have never suggested anything like that not have i had anything negative to say.
A sustained period of 3 wins in 15 games is poor for and its concerning.
I believe he has made a very bad call or supported a bad call who knows, in keeping pogba.
We have young players and 3 very promising good signings.
Rome was not built in a day everybody across that I'm sure.
City and pool are going from strength to strength. They will have their blibs we hope. We could be in the mix with the rest for top 4. Its a tough league.
After 3 games i just see more of what i saw at the end of last season losing and drawing games we should have won. Ddg making errors, missing chances and hopeless set piece play.
Pogba blowing hot and cold etc etc.
Ole has got to be more ruthless.

9.) 25 Aug 2019 20:59:58
I agree shaw that sours and Poch have won nothing and they both need to to be remembered as a great side. I don't think spurs are a great side but they have never won the epl and he has been up there as close as they ever have been.
They have never been in a ucl final before. He has them knocking on the door. Playing nice football on a shoestring budget.
I think they will be fighting for beteeen 3rd and 6th like ourselves this season.

10.) 25 Aug 2019 21:42:38
Was thinking the same Shawthing.

11.) 26 Aug 2019 07:58:02
Ken, we cannot bring the last season into this scenario.
The team last year towards the end simply lacked effort and fitness. They were battered and had no confidence in the last 7-10 games.



22 Aug 2019 21:41:21
I remain skeptical about what we can achieve this year, we seem woefully short on depth both in the forward and midfield areas, but I'm also glad that we are at least starting to re-engineer the dynamics of the team, eschewing quick fixes. We all know we need better midfielders but spending £80m is no guarantee of anything, past purchases considered. First of all we need an identity.

Now is the time to do what we are doing, letting the likes of Rashford, Martial, McTominay, Lingard and Fred prove they can rise to the level required for a place in a top team. It has taken 6 years but one could make the argument that it is only now, after the elevated expectations and arrogance of the Ferguson era have finally been laid low, that the real rebuilding work can begin.


1.) 22 Aug 2019 23:26:55
Yes! Youth players learn from being thrown into adversity. Forget all this nonsense that players need a safe easy route to becoming top players. The only way young players truely learn is through the safety wheels being cast aside and letting them loose on the halfpipe.

Love the transfer window. Now we really find out about the squad. More excited about this season than I have been for the last 10. (And yes, I mean 10, remember how dull some of those last fergy years were? )

2.) 23 Aug 2019 07:19:50
There will be ups and downs, but I feel, at last, that we have made some positive steps in the right direction of what will be a journey of more than one season.
We seem to have decided to start to trust the young talent we already have to grow into men. Long may it continue.

3.) 23 Aug 2019 09:49:20
Lingard? He's a championship player at best should be nowhere near our starting 11.

4.) 23 Aug 2019 11:34:11
Fred hasn’t even convinced Ole that he’s worth a place on the bench, and Lingard has had ample time to prove himself.

5.) 23 Aug 2019 17:49:56
Fred had less time than anyone else in pre season so hasn't been involved.

Managers keep picking lingard. Maybe there the idiots and not the fans.



08 Aug 2019 12:39:31
I have no idea how we will do this coming season however, other than the midfield, the club has done pretty much what everyone wanted. We have a new RB and CH. We have promoted young players and removed those who were standing in their way. Martial gets the opportunity to see if he can live up to the Henry comparisons heaped on him when he was purchased. It's time for him and Rashford to shine.

It's clear that the management, as incompetent in the transfer market as it might be, have learnt that big money transfers do not necessarily result in success. Perhaps the club has finally acknowledged its diminished status as a football team and acted appropriately. The true rebuilding process - as opposed to the quick fix - is only now beginning but in a more modest and fundamental fashion, on the foundations of a solid defense, youth, speed and commitment. I am expecting a decent but unspectacular season results wise and I think the club is too but I also anticipate seeing something that reminds me of why I am a United fan.


1.) 08 Aug 2019 13:42:26
Club has done everything other than midfield? So RW? ST is done?

Club has promoted youth and removed those who were on their way? Please remind me who we have offloaded? Herrera? Fellaini? Lukaku? Do you want youth to replace these players or learn from them. All these were extreme professional unlike the tons of crap who are still here.

The rebuilding starts now? Well if i had a dollar for everytime i heard that for past seven years.

What should remind you as a united fan is the high level of ambition this club had. How we used to have scary team beating others even before kicking a ball. Now, I worry even while we play Everton or Wolves.

Everyone is hiding behind promoting youth curtain but don't forget success is a mixture of youth, experience and class leaders. We don't have proper mentors for this young players.

Cant see how you see we are going on right direction. There is a possibility that we will have a poor season and Ole will get sacked. If that happens then your rebuild will start again.

2.) 08 Aug 2019 13:45:20
It’s amazing how good Fellaini has become now that we haven’t spent million to replace him 😂.

3.) 08 Aug 2019 13:51:43
Gds very true.

4.) 08 Aug 2019 14:02:14
1gds its not how good fellaini was but rather how bad matic and fred are.

5.) 08 Aug 2019 14:03:17
Srestha, Why have the 3 players you mentioned been extreme professionals. Yes they might of not moaned or thrown there toys out of the pram but come on there only doing their job which they get paid a fortune for but let’s not forget Lukaku is overweight which is not professional is it. there's only Herrera who i’d of kept. The other 2 should never of been bought in the first place. Good riddance to them never good enough.

6.) 08 Aug 2019 14:06:33
Ya i knew you would pick on that one GDS ignoring everything else. As much as i didn't like him, he was an option. We should have replaced him with better quality and we have not. Just go and bow to Woodward who must be your father figure as he is taking the club where you wanted. Average.

7.) 08 Aug 2019 14:07:38
Very true let fellanni and herrera go and don't even bring in one midfielder. At a big club trying to get back in champions league.



31 Jul 2019 15:31:27
The Lukaku melodrama will probably go on well after the English window closes. I expect a deal will be made and it will not involve an exchange. It's hard enough to get two clubs, the player and agent to all agree on a single transfer fee and pay packet without complicating it with another player and agent, relative values, and another pay packet.

My guess is that if United haven't sold Pogba in time to bring in a replacement he stays one more year. You never know. If he feels the club are bringing in the right players around him he may decide to get with the program for a season. With a lot more speed in the squad, a return to the concept of promoting our younger players rather than demoralizing them by bringing players in who demonstrate management's lack of faith in their current abilities, we just might surprise even me.




16 Jun 2019 12:57:44
It's probably not possible but it sure would be an excellent idea if clubs built into their contracts with players that they are simply not permitted to discuss certain things, like their contentedness, or their desire to leave, with the press.

As for Pogba, when all said and done, he is a very fitting manifestation of the way our club has been run. Both he and the owners/ CEO of our club are amoral mercenaries, devoid of loyalty.


1.) 16 Jun 2019 19:03:30
The biggest gripe I have is that the ex manager called him out, the club backed the player not Jose, and six months later he goes public saying he wants out. I think the club is getting everything it deserves right now with the current structure, ownership and people in charge.




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05 Aug 2019 14:52:26
We have some decent young forwards. We need to give them a chance. We should sell Lukaku without replacement. I still think we will do that, but for a little less than we have been holding out for once the window in England closes.

If we need anyone else, it is in midfield. I'm glad Dybala is off. We should spend the money elsewhere.




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13 Jul 2019 21:16:52
The club should not sell its assets cheaply but there comes a time when holding on makes not much business sense if it means retaining a player who is not going to get game time and whose salary is taking up needed space. If that's the case for Lukaku then £60m would at least be a profit on the residual book value and £5m a year off the wages bill. That's a lot of conjectures and we have no idea what's going on, or even whether there are any serious talks or with whom. In any event we should trust Ed Woodward. We all know he has amazing expertise in the transfer market.




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01 Jul 2019 13:24:30
Solid if not spectacular player well exploited by SAF. His arrival to play on the right side seemed to correspond with the deterioration in Nani, who never seemed as happy on the left. Many a left back will miss being rapped on the legs and torso by his ill-timed crosses.




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21 Apr 2019 22:18:46
It's hard to see how they're going to get out of this now. We have a very high payroll and are up against FFP regulations, we have a number of players who are unsellable because of their high wages. We are not going to be in the Champions League, and there's no reason to think next season will be any better whatever happens in the transfer market. We have not progressed at all in 5 years.

Are they good businessmen? They were certainly lucky. SAF could have left 10 years earlier and the success could have dried up leaving the debt un-repayable. They could not have known for sure how lucrative the TV rights might become or the revenue from sponsorships. Right now we may be looking at the moment they have maxed out from a financial perspective. Meanwhile Spurs made £120m on 60% of the revenues, while City and Liverpool are purring. It's been clear for years, the top players and managers are not impressed by United, and regard the structure as irredeemable. That's why Ole is the manager. No one else wanted the job. That's why we don't have a DOF. And that's why the best players are not coming to OT.

The day Woodward leaves is the day we might start to get our club back.




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04 Jan 2019 16:33:03
Potential star is exactly it. But lots of young players can't step up to the next level. It could be due to mismanagement but most likely it is not. The coaching staff at United and at the loan clubs are unlikely to be wrong. I agree with Ed002. It's disappointing but he's almost certainly just not good enough.





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25 Aug 2019 18:58:13
Ken. Remind me of all the trophies Spurs have won in the last 6 years.

It's 11 years since they won the League Cup. Despite all the upheaval at least we managed an FA and a Europa Cup.




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25 Aug 2019 13:34:38
I agree with Programmer Fan, which is not to say we are likely to improve much from here.

Against CP we created enough chances to win. We should have had a second penalty when Martial was pulled down. It was 100% clear.

Our main failure is an inability total any advantage from dead ball situations: PKs, free kicks around the box, and corners.




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24 Aug 2019 22:35:32
We should have had 2 penalties. Martial was clearly pulled down as he was shooting but because the referee regarded that as advantage given, it was not awarded. Wrong decision initially that could and should have been overturned. Of course, we would probably have missed it.

Nobody in their right mind would consider United close to being ready to compete at the top level yet given the youth of the squad and its lack of depth, however I've been fairly impressed with everything but the results. We rode our luck against Chelsea and deserved the win. Against Wolves and Palace we have been profligate from the spot, hopeless at free kicks and set pieces, but overall by far the better side. It's very frustrating.




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05 Aug 2019 14:44:57
Why do people keep suggesting that United are going to do a deal to boost shirt sales?




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04 Aug 2019 17:22:05
Is he worth the fee? That will be determined by the future. We shipped 54 goals last season. If we reduce it to 35 and score a few more, maybe 70, will he have been worth it? I think so. Value is not absolute. It's circumstantial.