20 Jul 2020 08:26:24
Why is there always a massive reaction from the fanbase,

We needed that loss and we needed Ole and the club to be shown we are not ready yet and we just don't have the dept to change the team.

I would of loved to see a win but to win we can not rotate our team as it is lacking quality in depth.

For me also all 3 or there goals should of been saved, De gea has cost us to many time for the club to not be considering calling time on his career.

Another expensive mistake, on a high wage and costing you points, before anyone says otherwise de gea decline has been there to see for the past 18 months. should of let him go Madrid when they wanted him.

1.) 20 Jul 2020
20 Jul 2020 09:12:22
A bad decision to give Matic a 3 year contract aswell.

2.) 20 Jul 2020
20 Jul 2020 09:17:17
Ultimately the priorities need to be finishing top four, winning the Europa league as a backdoor way into the UCL, then winning the FA cup. Yes it hurts losing, especially the manner of the loss.

Yet, this means one less game before the Europa League starts back up, it means the players can 100% focus on the league in the final two games without having one eye on a cup final.

If Zouma pulls out of a 50/ 50 challenge against Wolves on the final day which leads to a goal for Wolves there will be question marks about whether he had one eye on the FA cup final.

While this game highlights that although our first 11 looks strong enough, we are woefully lacking in depth and quality. We could easily name 8 players who aren't good enough probably not even as squad players. (Grant, Jones, Rojo, TFM, Dalot?, Lingard, Andreas Pereira, Mata? ) While question marks will be over the heads of several others as whether they are too injury prone, or whether they are good enough even as squad players. (Bailly, Lindelof, James, Ighalo, Fred? ) . While Maguire and DDG haven't been shining, and Matic although in great form isn't the long term answer.

How many of the players who are on the bench or not even making the bench for City would improve our squad? I think pretty much all of them. That is the level of squad depth we need to be aiming for.

{Ed047's Note - Sorry Shappy but you’re dreaming if you think your first 11 is strong enough unless you are referring to a 4th place trophy winning first 11.

3.) 20 Jul 2020
20 Jul 2020 09:40:26
Big V we needed to lose? Absolute bolloxollogy.

4.) 20 Jul 2020
20 Jul 2020 09:42:37
What an absolute load of tripe Shappy from top to bottom and filled with jokes of excuses, give it a rest. We were dominated and out played. The manager got everything wrong yesterday because he's inept simple as that. Accept it keep blindly following and wait for the next one.

5.) 20 Jul 2020
20 Jul 2020 09:53:15
Ole apologists out on full force telling us we needed to lose. Spurs, Norwich, Saints, Palace and Chelsea since the restart have put up a fight and we have struggled in all of them. A few cheeky VAR decisions have helped us scrape through. Ole suddenly became a messiah and he was building something because we beat Villa and Bournemouth while in reality they just rolled over.

6.) 20 Jul 2020
20 Jul 2020 09:43:37
I agree with you ed047.
But then again Chelsea are no villa, norwich, bournmouth or Brighton.
We did play well against those teams for sure but 3 of them will be relegated.

{Ed047's Note - sorry Ken, have you answered on the wrong post or am I just being thick as usual? 🤣

7.) 20 Jul 2020
20 Jul 2020 09:45:25
Ed047, I think our first 11 is strong enough to win against any side in the league.

DDG - declining but still a top level keeper (plus we have Henderson waiting in the wings)

AWB - best defensive full back in the league and fast improving going forward. Only TAA is better in the league.

Lindelof - Underrated, if still a little soft in the air.

Maguire - Solid EPL defender. Has his weakness but then all defenders do.

Shaw - Been one of our best players since January and actually a big miss against Chelsea.

Matic - Still class, although question marks about longevity.

Pogba - Has more natural ability than all midfielders in the league. If he can learn to keep it simple he will be one of the most effective players in the league.

Bruno - there hasn't been a better player in the league since he joined. Can he maintain that level?

Greenwood - the most promising young forward in the league, if he reaches his potential a future Balon D'or winner.

Martial - Most in for striker in the league, finally fulfilling his potential. Just needs to stay fit.

Rashford - terrifying and not just a speed merchant, actually an intelligent and clever player.

I think we could do with an upgrade in central defence, while DDG will naturally step aside for Henderson when the time is right (that might be sooner rather than later) .

But then I think most sides have at least one or two players that need replacing in their starting 11. City need another CB alongside Laporte, while LB and RB aren't looking locked down either.

Liverpool look the most settled, with them just needing a partner for VvD in central defence.

Chelsea need a LB and CB and probably a GK.

Leicester need more quality in wide areas, while Chilwell will likely leave so they will need a RB and LB, also how long can Evans go on at CB.

Spurs need a whole new defence. While Arsenal need pretty much a whole new first 11. With only Aubameyang being good enough for a top 4 team first 11.

United's main problem is strength in depth. When Bruno or Pogba get injured we have to play Lingard and Fred. Who are a massive drop off on quality.

For me if United signed a RW, a flexible CAM who could cover Pogba and Bruno, and a top CB then suddenly that side looks quite frightening.

I think a left sided CB could be useful, although Maguire has played most of the time on the LCB position, I think with the player we have moving him to RCB would be better. It would require him to think about his positioning more. While having AWB alongside him rather than Shaw would offer him more protection and less likely to be got at around the back.

{Ed047's Note - it’s honestly pointless even answering that long winded load of rubbish.

I’ve read and it’s Just painful mate. We too are clearly good enough to beat any team in the league, yay so we must be brilliant as well. 🤦‍♂️

Quality over quantity every time.

8.) 20 Jul 2020
20 Jul 2020 10:53:24
To say there's been a bit of overreaction to this game is a massive understatement.

While I don't believe Ole is the right coach, it's hard to deny the club and squad are in a better position than when Mourinho left. As is the feeling of supporters (well up until yesterday anyway) . I'm not fully supportive of Ole but even I feel so much better about the club than I have over the last few years so surely something is going well? We've actually played some good football over the past few months as well which has rarely been seen across the last decade at Old Trafford. The club seem to have finally backed a manager, unfortunately I feel it's the wrong one.

Despite that, everyone who is keen to see Ole get sacked have been very vocal since last night as if they have been waiting for a defeat to say he's useless and has no clue about football. I'm pretty sure I could go back and find posts I've made over the last 10 years or so on this site that are quite reactionary but some people need to calm down.

At Christmas if someone had said that before the end of the season United will have an unbeaten run of almost 20 games, get to the semis of the cup, have a great chance of finishing 3rd and be 5-0 up after the 1st leg in the last 16 of the Europa League you'd have been laughed at. Is this position where United want to be? No. Is it much better than what was being delivered at the turn of the year? Absolutely.

9.) 20 Jul 2020
20 Jul 2020 11:22:57
I did expect the toxics to come out in full force when the unbeaten run ended.

10.) 20 Jul 2020
20 Jul 2020 11:25:10
What yesterday showed us is that we are still someway off challenging for a prem title.
We do have top players but if Bruno isn't at it then nobody else seems to be able to take the game by the scruff.
We need a few more first eleven top quality signings of bruno quality to be challenging.
DDG - you can't live off being POTY when we was regularly 7th, Dave is costing us big time, I've said for a while now, bring Deano back or give Romero number 1.
Worst game I've seen from AwB and Williams, I can forgive them as they are learning their trade still and have in general played well.
Harry Maguire, he played like a carthorse yesterday and its not the 1st time, we desperately need a world class centre back and maybe Maguire will be ok but he's not solving our defensive issues.
Lindleof and Williams/ Shaw not being helped by Maguire's inept performances.
Matic, not one to remember from him but he wasn't alone, Fred gave the ball away at will, Rash fed on scraps by only Bruno, James was non existent.
Pogba back to his lazy can't be bothered attitide.
Is only one game, we looked tired, why I don't know as some of these have not played a lot of football and some of those I've mentioned have played very well of late but this is a wake up call we may have needed.
Why we tried to play out like Brazil 70 when we don't have the players at the back for it I don't know, more like Yeovil '20 yday.
Beyond our first eleven our quality in depth is lacking and I am glad to see Ole took blame for tean selection, that formation does not suit us one bit.
On to West Ham where we need to draw on all our energy with our best eleven and try and get a big win because away to Leicester I wouldn't count our chickens, they will be up for it despite recent form.
I'm hesitant to be too harsh because 19 unbeaten isn't to be sniffed at, we have shown we can beat the big teams and found a way to beat the so called lesser teams which 2e struggled to do but we still look like a confidence team where one setback knocks us for six or when we are at it we look unbeatable but again I stress the point we need someone other than just Bruno to start stepping up as he cannot transform us alone.

11.) 20 Jul 2020
20 Jul 2020 11:53:02
According to the narrative we actually haven't been playing great. We have only beaten relegation teams or teams struggling in the bottom half since the restart, so that's an automatic 3 points since we were expected to beat them anyway. When we can beat the top 6 convincingly Everytime we meet them only then we would have made progress. Beating the smaller teams doesn't count.

12.) 20 Jul 2020
20 Jul 2020 12:45:09
Who is saying that st lucia?
We have been playing well. In the main.
Its been a decent run. Ok we have mostly played poor opposition in the 19 games
5 from lower leagues
The bottom 6
Chelsea twice lost a semi to them
City twice lost a semi to them
Sheff utd
And we couldn't beat Everton spurs southampton or wolves.
But we did beat the bottom 6 and won 4 of our 5 matches against lower league opposition.

13.) 20 Jul 2020
20 Jul 2020 12:38:02
Ed047 i was agreeing with you in your reply to shappy that we are only fit for a top 4 fight.
Im not surprised your confused mate. reading some of the twighlight zone posts.

{Ed047's Note - 🤣🤣 sorry ken, it was somewhat manic. I genuinely have nothing against United, which I think some feel the opposite, I just think it’s crazy to go over board and for Shappy to talk of Greenwood and the Balon D’or just sums up how mad some people get.

Believe it not I’ve loved watching United in your pomp, especially in Europe, obvs not so much against Arsenal, but cheered you on in the big finals, especially the Bayern one!

So I don’t have any crazy agenda just feel that to many get too carried away when it should be baby steps.

It’s like me proclaiming we’ll win the premier next year because as I said earlier, we beat Pool and City. Not happening!

14.) 20 Jul 2020
20 Jul 2020 15:14:28
Bang on ed047.
I don't think anybody except our most paranoid of residents could accuse you of having an anti utd agenda.
We have had a decent run of results.
I reallylike the look if greenwood but he is a cf. Even in the matches he scored a couple of goals in he contributed very little off the right imo. He will be our cf for many years imo but he is a little off being the best in the world just yet😂😂
Totally capitulated yesterday which is becoming n a recurring theme when a for is left open for them.
Ole is simply not up to the job imo. He never was. I rue the day he got the chance.
If we get top 4 i think if he is at the helm next year we will still be in the same position.

{Ed047's Note - thanks ken, I just think people need to temper the urge to paint everything as Rosie when there’s still a load of work to do.

As for OGS he just doesn’t inspire me with any great confidence that he knows what he’s doing and to stick Phelan and Carrick next to him has done him no favours whatsoever.

15.) 20 Jul 2020
20 Jul 2020 16:41:43
Shappy, what a load of rubbish. Pogba is not even a top player, fans like you are the reason why the club keeps buying poor players like maguire, hope u will win trophies with grealish.

16.) 20 Jul 2020
20 Jul 2020 18:06:27
Rover, what? Firstly, the club don't consult me or any fans on transfers.

Secondly, when we were linked with Maguire I was one of the few people on here who said I didn't think he was worth it, that he wasn't much better than what we had and that within a season or two most would be complaining about him. I was met with replies saying that if Pep wants him he must be good, how he was England's best defender at the world cup and how he was second in the league only to VvD.

My opinion is that he has done better than I thought he would. While it appears to most others he has done worse than they thought he would.

While I'm also one of the few who doesn't get the Grealish hype and feel that he isn't consistent enough and he has a poor attitude. I wouldn't go near him, although I do agree he does have talents we need. I just doubt his ability to show them consistently enough to be worth the fee and the agro that comes with him.

17.) 20 Jul 2020
20 Jul 2020 19:17:16
tactical naivety from the manager once again. shame how angel gomes left because of no pathway to the first team, yet fringe players like Andreas, Juan Mata, Lingard, are serving no real purpose. Ole bottled it yesterday. Fergie would be able to get a performance out of an average player, whereas Ole doesn't seem to be able to. The team looked lost yesterday and the goals either side of half time just killed the game and his tactics.

18.) 20 Jul 2020
20 Jul 2020 20:30:13
Agree with 047. Cup side is perfect way to describe us and we just been handed our backside to us.

19.) 20 Jul 2020
20 Jul 2020 20:38:30
"DDG will naturally step aside for Henderson when the time is right" 😂 £375k contract until 2024, of course he will.

20.) 21 Jul 2020
21 Jul 2020 08:16:34
Shappy you’re having a laugh if you think you’re one of few who didn’t think Maguire was worth the money. I wasn’t posting much at the time but I was reading, and most people agreed he would improve the team but didn’t think he was worth even nearly that amount. And that has proven to be the case exactly.

21.) 21 Jul 2020
21 Jul 2020 10:54:09
Gilly, while most thought he was over priced, the general consensus was that he would be a "huge" improvement on our defence. Most thought a fee between 50-60m was about right, but we were paying a premium.

From what most have said on here over the last couple of days it seem most wouldn't pay a fiver for him.

I said many times that there were a dozen CB's who I thought we could get for half the price or less who were better options.

22.) 22 Jul 2020
22 Jul 2020 06:13:39
I don’t know Shappy, I thought much the same, there were better and there were cheaper options available that would’ve improved the team much more. The club clearly wanted a leader, and Maguire will put his head through brick walls for the team. That said, he’s not good enough unfortunately, and he’s never been good enough and he never will be good enough. I got the impression at the time that more people agreed we were being robbed blind. Now that’s he’s made a few mistakes for United though it has merely become more obvious. Imagine if we had signed Koulibaly instead, or Upamecano. Imagine if we had signed Fernandes in the summer and hadn’t wasted £80 million on Maguire, and had played Smalling alongside Lindelof instead. I’m sure we would be higher in the table. We might have conceded a few more goals, we might have lost a few more games, but we certainly would have won a lot more games with that genius Bruno in the side for an extra 20+ games.

23.) 22 Jul 2020
22 Jul 2020 10:34:22
Maybe, but I was probably the most vocal at the time on here in opposition to signing Maguire. So maybe that invoked a stronger response to my posts.

I'm not sold on Koulibaly either if I'm honest.

Gimenez for me is one of the best defensive central defenders around atm. Whether he would have been cheaper than Maguire I don't know but he would certainly have been a better option.

Personally I think Lindelof is a better player than Maguire. He was pretty much our player of the season last year and I along with many I think was surprised to see Shaw beat him to the accolade. Yet this year apparently he's nowhere near good enough. The only thing that's changed is he is playing alongside Maguire this season.

The issue I think is that they are both ball playing CB's who lack a little pace and can be caught in behind. While Maguire is much better in the air, Lindelof is a much better reader of the game. But they don't really cover eachothers weaknesses. Which is the problem.