25 Nov 2021 15:18:44
RANGNICK done.
Interim till end of the season and then new role as a senior technical consultant for 2 years.

Great news.
Finally someone with great footballing ideology.

1.) 25 Nov 2021
25 Nov 2021 15:28:23
Quite annoyed that we are appointing someone who says “football and politics” shouldn’t mix - this was in reference to racism and taking stands against racism. Forget him being a good manager, if he’s not willing to help combat racism then We are appointing the wrong person. People above football. Not the other way round.

2.) 25 Nov 2021
25 Nov 2021 15:30:25
Would suggest ETH is more likely in the summer too.

3.) 25 Nov 2021
25 Nov 2021 15:44:42
Swyw, while the fight against racism is vitally important and obviously a bigger issue than any in football. The reality is that the moment you bring politics into football you create divides that cannot be easily bridged.

Football is supposed to be friendly rivalry, something fans from either side can banter eachother without any real malice. The moment politics enters the fray then harsh lines are drawn in the sand and matches are no longer about bragging rights but about placing one political idea above another. That's when football matches get nasty, that's when people get hurt.

Football can lead the fight against racism without taking on board political ideologies or movements.

4.) 25 Nov 2021
25 Nov 2021 15:39:59
GDS, I'm not sure about that. I think PSG just aren't prepared to let him go early.

However, if Rangnick will have a role within the club beyond his interim manager stay then I'd rather wait for someone like Pochettino or EtH than get them in now and not have a real footballing person have a say in the running of the club.

5.) 25 Nov 2021
25 Nov 2021 16:43:53
You have to say this is a hugely positive move by the club.

6.) 25 Nov 2021
25 Nov 2021 16:48:52
I know a lot of you lads don't like M. E. N. and Samuel Luckhurst but he said on yesterdays podcast its a matter of when not if Poch comes-UTD really are all in for Poch and he really wants it too. In meantime an interim has to come in and Rangnick was one of 3 we shortlisted. also one candidate arrived in Manchester this week for talks.

7.) 25 Nov 2021
25 Nov 2021 17:03:23
Luckhurst did a poll of who people wanted as the next manager, 34% wanted Poch, 59% wanted Ten Hag.

8.) 25 Nov 2021
25 Nov 2021 17:40:55
Great move by the club. Almost suggests we have a plan in place……….

9.) 25 Nov 2021
25 Nov 2021 18:45:23
Not really a plan, they sacked a guy and interviewed candidates interested in an interim position. Then hired who they think is the best of the available options. It just so happens that most fans agree with them this time.

No plan in place, but with Rangnick coming in that might be the start of one.

10.) 25 Nov 2021
25 Nov 2021 19:53:43
I like this if by consultant's means he consults Murtagh and Fletcher into doing what he thinks needs to be done to rebuild Utd and consults the board into appointing the correct manager.

11.) 25 Nov 2021
25 Nov 2021 21:34:21
This appointment might actually suggest EtH. He’d need the structure above him to be a success as a coach for us.

12.) 26 Nov 2021
26 Nov 2021 00:18:56
Keep politics out of football. You don't have to bring racism into every single thing.

Azeem rafiq brings a case if racism against English cricket. It's then proven that azeem rafiq has engaged in some of the racist practice he is accusing his former team mates among others of.

Throws and allegation at Michael Vaughan and then the BBC essentially cancels him, over an allegation of racism from a person proven to themselves be a racist. You honestly could not make this crap up. In the case of racism it's guilty until proven innocent these days.

This is why you keep politics out of football

People should be allowed to have different opinions than yours without the threat of being labelled.

13.) 26 Nov 2021
26 Nov 2021 03:31:40
Rosspique

Keep politics out of football then you go on to tell a biased interpretation of azeem and the ongoing issues with the racist culture of British cricket. Someone having a racist or anti semitic tweet come to light doesn't just completely abolish the countless racist remarks and acts he's faced in his whole time as a pro cricketer. Specialy when the ex Eng cap Vaughan has been caught out more then once being a xenophobe racist in the past. Ppl like you are the real problem, will look for anything to brush passed racist slurs as just "banter". Get a grip and furthermore an EDUCATION.

Sorry to others on here for this statement but it has to be said. Yoy have to call a spade a spade when you see it.

14.) 26 Nov 2021
26 Nov 2021 05:25:03
We are finally trying to do something right.

15.) 26 Nov 2021
26 Nov 2021 06:55:11
Can’t wait to see Ralph take charge of these lazy big time Charlie’s! From what I’ve seen, remember, read the way he’ll want to play will have some players very worried! The likes of Fred and Lingard who have work ethic and will run all day will be made up with his appointment!

16.) 26 Nov 2021
26 Nov 2021 09:18:54
Great Post CR92.

17.) 26 Nov 2021
26 Nov 2021 09:40:30
Cr92, very well said.

Back to the original topic, this is an exciting appointment and hopefully signals a new direction for the club, being receptive to a new way of thinking led by football technicians. Here’s hoping.

I’m almost thinking it’s better this way round rather than say a Poch coming in partway on a permanent deal, less pressure when he comes in with some momentum (hopefully) and a pre season to build and plan.

A run to the champs league semis would be nice for some excitement, but once again the absolute aim has become top 4 finish, which will now be very hard with the top 3 basically guaranteed.

18.) 26 Nov 2021
26 Nov 2021 09:52:10
Cr92 firstly you know nothing about me, my colour or my creed so please don't be making assumptions about me, what I represent or my EDUCATION (does it make one more educated when one types it in caps or something.

Secondly would you mind explaining how my post and opinion is biased. By you saying 'ppl like you are the real problem' you've literally proven my point in the last line of previous post, ie people if anyone has a different opinion they are labelled. People like me, what exactly do you mean by that?

Thirdly you accuse me of brushing past racist slurs as just 'banter' yet you seem to dismiss Rafiqs racist slurs because he has had racist slurs used against him. How does that one work?

At no point did I say his racist tweet abolished the countless racist remarks that he may have faced his whole life. However have you ever heard that old saying, 'those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones'

I want to try an exercise, replace 1 letter in racist, change it to rapist. If someone is in court accusing someone of rape and during proceedings it emerges that that person has raped someone, that does not dismiss the crime that has been committed, namely rape, however it does bring into question the character of the person making the accusation.
Now imagine that both the accusing party and the defendant are celebrities/ sports people, Is it fair that the defendant would be cancelled while the accusing party doesn't at least have their version of events queried.
In my view accusations of institutional racism are very different to accusations of casual racism used by an individual.
I don't see the justice in either circumstance but hey you continue to label 'people like me' and question my EDUCATION.
I prefer the world I live in than the one you do.
It is for precisely this reason that I think Politics should be kept out if football. That's my opinion, you're as entitled to yours as I am mine thank the lord.

Sorry to others on here for this statement but it has to be said. You have to call a spade a spade when you see it.

19.) 26 Nov 2021
26 Nov 2021 10:24:02
Rosspique, when you say "keep politics out of football" you're basically telling players to shut up and not talk about the racism they personally receive, or that they witness their friends and teammates receiving.

They have every right to bring attention to it, and try to change it. If you don't like it, stop watching it.

20.) 26 Nov 2021
26 Nov 2021 10:38:17
Thorne I'm basically not saying that at all. But of course it's your right to put words in my mouth.

Look back at swyws post which predates mine. I'm not the one calling the ethics and character of ragnik into question who says if he won't combat racism to swyws standards then he isn't fit to be manager.

What utter tosh!

Again this in my opinion is why politics should be kept out of football.

21.) 26 Nov 2021
26 Nov 2021 10:49:31
I think there is some confusion between politics and social issues that are both present in society and football.

Politics are merely policies based on ideologies around solving a perceived issue within our society. How valid that issue may be or the political view point held by people creating these policies is what everyone debates.

Politics and football should never cross paths. One is vitally important to the running and direction of society the other is a hugely popular sport. The idea of aligning political ideologies with sport and particularly sport clubs is dangerous as sports clubs and those connected with sports clubs tend to get unquestioned support.

Political thought and ideologies by their very nature need to be constantly challenged and questioned, without it you get people supporting a corrupt politician simply because they are on "your side" of the political divide.

It's like defending a former player whose convicted of a crime because he played for your side, when you would never support someone else who committed the same crime.

The power of sport and the kind of loyalty it demands makes people move their moral compass inorder to fit the current narrative.

That's why connecting sports and politics is dangerous as it brings an unwavering support for something that you may not actually support at all.

That doesn't mean that things like racism that exist in football shouldn't be tackled by football. Of course the social issues that exist in our game should be addressed. But they need to be done by the people within our game in a way that fits the structure of our game. Football should not be adopting a political movement even one tied to what is considered a positive movement.

If you want a perfect example of why sport and politics should never mix have a read into the 1936 Berlin Olympic games. A perfect example of the dangers of normalising political ideologies through sport.

22.) 26 Nov 2021
26 Nov 2021 12:34:36
Cr92,

Well said mate, the number of white privileged people complaining that others should shut up about being racially abused is horrendous.

23.) 26 Nov 2021
26 Nov 2021 14:53:08
Great Post cr92.

24.) 26 Nov 2021
26 Nov 2021 15:00:13
??? white privileged people ?? if only you knew but again thanks for labelling 'people like me'

Steve Bruce seems to get some amount of abuse, Ogs got a lot online towards the end. You don't hear political points regarding this. Frank lampard and Wayne Rooney were called fat most of their professional lives.

What's the point in anyone not being racist if you're going to infer they are just because they think differently.

Anyways keep making everything about race, see how well it ends.

25.) 26 Nov 2021
26 Nov 2021 15:07:05
It's a strange world.
Funny it's the same people who were slandering Ole, calling him every name in the book and what any reasonable person would call bullying who seem to disagree with my point.
I'm terribly ok with not being in that company I have to say.
Is it just cause Ole is white you're allowed to do that.

26.) 27 Nov 2021
27 Nov 2021 02:20:41
Ideally, they shouldn't mix. But you could argue Apartheid would have lasted a lot longer without a ban on them playing against other countries.

27.) 27 Nov 2021
27 Nov 2021 02:55:37
Rosspique, I apologise, I should have checked the context of Rangnicks "politics and football should not mix" comment. It was NOT about racism, it was about Ozil's support for the Turkish president.

If it had been about racism I believe my comment would have been accurate. We've seen a lot of people criticising players taking the knee recently by saying politics should be kept out of football, and that IS basically saying players shouldn't protest racism as I said.

However, as that was not the case here, I was wrong.