17 Aug 2020 13:53:01
a question for KEN, as I've seen a few posts from you or replies should i say in regards to OLE and him needing to be shot and a replacement brought in.

at the start of the season what were your expectations of the team?

what did ole have to do for you to be considered a good enough season for him to get another year?


has the football improved since Jose left?
is the atmosphere more positive?
do you now look forward to watching us play?

last question what manager would you have instead given ole has no cv and is clearly taking this club backwards

bear in mind it is only the 2nd time we have reached 3 semi finals in one season which although it would be nice to win, its not that bad of a showing for a club with a poor manager

we have finished 3rd only once have we finished higher in 7 years

martial and the POOR overrated rashford have had there best seasons ever, we have also managed to have kept the most clean sheets in Europeans top 5 leagues despite multiple f**k ups by the keeper and defenders.

{Ed047's Note - asking a question and giving the answers all in one go, I like it. It could catch on.

1.) 17 Aug 2020
17 Aug 2020 14:16:21
Bolger i can't answer a question when you twist my words. When did i say ole should be shot? That's a complete misrepresentation. You also in the past continue to accuse people of hatred. Quit your BS.

When did i mentions oles cv?

When did i say he was taking the club backwards?

Ive no issue answering a straight question without the hyberbole bolloxolgy

When did i say rashford is overrated. Quite the opposite in fact.
If you would like to converse like an adult i'm here to do that.

I would also say uts also the first time any English club has lost 3 semi finals in one season.

Should we be proud of that?

2.) 17 Aug 2020
17 Aug 2020 14:35:09
It all depends on how many English clubs have managed to actually reach three semis in one season I would think. Can't imagine there are that many.

3.) 17 Aug 2020
17 Aug 2020 14:43:38
For every positive stat you put up any body can counter with negative stats from this season bolger and none of those stats above impress me necessarily.
A couple of individuals had good form for relatively short buyers this season.
We finished closer to 3rd bottom than top. Albeit that was good enough to scrape a cl spot in the last game of the season.
Any half decent team we played since lockdown we have lost or drawn or got a pen to get something.
We didn't play any team from a top 5 league until seville in the EL.
Im not excited by our football at all. We had a brood period either side of lockdown when we were quite impressive but we were playing very poor teams.
Our play is imo negative predictable naive and dull. We don't dominate possession usually we play on the counter a lot against good sides.

We did well against city in all games but so did others look at what lyon did to them and they were 7th in french league.
My expectation was not to be mathematically incapable of winning a league in feb.
There was a decent improvement in position but not in points.
Imo c. v break saved our season. Without it we were I trouble imo.
We should have won the EL the 2nd tier comp we have lots of players that won it before.
Ole carrick phelan and mckenna have not got the team playing with a coherent identity and style.
He has mismanged the squad imo.
You are entitled to disagree. If you are happy with what you see you are entitled to be. i'm not and I'm just as entitled to say that.
I don't hate ole. I don't want him murdered. He has done ok in some parts of his role. I don't see him turning us into challengers again. I don't think he is up to the job.
He won't get another high end job anywhere In europe imo when he is done here. Just like moyes. Just not up to it.
I don't see the point in sticking with him. But the club has made their choice. Ill be 1st one praising him if we compete next season i just don't see it happening.
If you think ole is getting the most out of this squad your entitled to that. If your happy being 3o odd pints behind That's ok. If your happy watching that style that's ok. i'm not. i'm not alone in that view and it wouldn't bother me if i was.
Ole imo is a very poor coach whenit comes to this elite level surrounded by other poor coaches.
Jose had to be fired as did moyes as did lvg. No argument from me there.
We need to be competing to win we need to play with positivity and to a coherent style. I don't see it.

4.) 17 Aug 2020
17 Aug 2020 14:50:55
ok the bolloxolgy aside.


what manager would you choose? and why? based off what

what did you expect us to do at the start of the season?

in your opinion why does the manager deserve to be sacked? has he not fulfilled his objectives?

and you have in one of your replays below said that the players need better coaching and you can't judge these players under ole as he is very very very poor at this level,

when the likes of rashford martial greenwood have all had there best ever seasons, is that down to the manager?

does ole not deserve more credit than he is getting for what he has done with a squad that many said was the worse squad in 30 years at the start of the season.

the fact we have lost 3 semi finals is just pure unlucky its not the manager is poor

You have said you don't see no long term improvement and the manager needs to be sacked but going off the start of ole's reign till now have we not improved?

{Ed047's Note - pure unlucky! 🤦‍♂️

5.) 17 Aug 2020
17 Aug 2020 15:04:36
Bolger some interesting questions in there, I will answer them .
1.top 4 and a good cup run
2.show signs that the team and club where moving in the right direction
3.yes
4.yes
5.yes
6. Probably poch, knows the epl.

6.) 17 Aug 2020
17 Aug 2020 15:25:41
Ken
A very very very poor coach?
What would only a very poor coach of done. Finished above city .

Really not sure why you can't judge the players . But I suppose some can some can't .

7.) 17 Aug 2020
17 Aug 2020 15:33:07
United 2017/ 8
Scored 68 conceded 28
Points 81
Win% 66

United 2019/ 20
Scored 66 conceded 36
Points 66
Win% 47

Why are some lauding three semi finals, three failures?
You know where I sit and it’s with Ken. People can’t accept Ole can’t manage in game. That’s not good enough at the level we aspire to.

Compare the two seasons above, the top one wasn’t seen as good enough but the bottom one is, why?

8.) 17 Aug 2020
17 Aug 2020 15:41:40
Bolger the fact people won't answer you questions says it all .
I would just leave it at that pal.

9.) 17 Aug 2020
17 Aug 2020 16:06:05
ill just stop going on about it i just find it difficult to read some of the posts and replies.

10.) 17 Aug 2020
17 Aug 2020 16:08:58
Jred, which question wasnt answered buddy?
Bolger's questions with answers-

at the start of the season what were your expectations of the team? Ans- top 4, achieved. Albeit more to do with other teams being poorer compared to last season than us being better because we are at 66 points, same as last year even without deadwood like Young, Lukaku, Sanchez etc who were apparently holding us back.

what did ole have to do for you to be considered a good enough season for him to get another year? Ans- Top 4 and win atleast one cup and if i had the database i would pull out posts from several who said the same but would now no doubt backtrack on their words. 3 semi defeats shows that the players are mentally fragile so that's Ole's failure.


has the football improved since Jose left? Ans- Yes if you only want to look at 3 or 4 games in a season. We were poor before Bruno came in then livened up for 3-4 games before C. V and then played some good stuff against a couple of lowly teams after the break. I am sure you missed it but we played similar under Jose for first 2 seasons.

is the atmosphere more positive?
do you now look forward to watching us play? Ans- 2 senior players in your team fighting and abusing each other on the field, hardly a positive atmosphere. Your only creative midfielder openly wanting to leave, hardly positive. Your GK having the worst season, hardly positive. Your youngsters packing and leaving, hardly positive. If only smiling would win you games then i am sure Ole would have done well.

last question what manager would you have instead given ole has no cv and is clearly taking this club backwards. Ans - anyone who has an inkling of what he is doing come match day and not just sit on his hands and praying that all goes well. He should know the other team will also play and will have tactics. So may be anyone who has sense that there is something called Plan B. Poch is available.

Redman, because it was Jose people don't rate that season and forget about it. And he did it with supposed deadwood just adds insult to injury.

11.) 17 Aug 2020
17 Aug 2020 16:20:41
United fans failing to look on the bright side is akin to Scousers walking alone or Eastenders being low on soapy water.

12.) 17 Aug 2020
17 Aug 2020 16:37:58
Is there a time limit jred or can i deal with a bit of stuff before i come back to the page?
1. New coach i'm not sure lots of potential candidates.
2. I expected us to improve and be closer to the top 2. And play a cohesive style of football.
3.yes imo he deserves to be sacked
4. Rashford hit a purple patch and has been poor since his injury.
Greenwood is having his 1st seadon playing out of position.
Martial has improved but imo is not the cf we need.
Awb looks half the player he was at place. Pogba has not imoroved his stats since returning are poor.
Ddg is not imoroving
Lindelof not improving
Mctom gone backwards
Fred is still crap.
Has dalot improved? Periera?
Losing 3 semis is not hard luck you have beaten poch with that stick yourself. So your completely seeing double standards.
Like jred does. When jose was there it was the coaches fault now when ole is there its a poor squad.
5. Oles reign is up down up down. Consistently inconsistent. Poor points total
Bolger you have my answers we won't agree.
But there are people with other opinions than yours you might gerry bored with other opinions.
For every positive stat from oles reign there is a damming one.
I don't see us improving under him 18 months in and the football is insipid and uninspiring imo.
Lvg won jose won i don't believe ole will find a way to win.

13.) 17 Aug 2020
17 Aug 2020 16:46:10
Bolger
I feel your pain.

14.) 17 Aug 2020
17 Aug 2020 17:17:24
Don't read them then bolger. President trump doesn't like when people disagree with him either. But thankfully last time i checked we live in a democracy where people are encouraged to voice their opinions.
I can't understand how anybody could be happy with ole but i understand that everybody sees things differently.

15.) 17 Aug 2020
17 Aug 2020 17:25:02
Think you were unlucky last night. You should have gone through
Ole's done alright, he got you what you crave, Champions league football
80% of you if not more would have taken top 4 and 3 cup semi's at the start of the season
Give him another season. Give him the money to get his targets, then judge him at the end of next season
He's done a better job with the team than Moyes, Maurine and LVG and we all know what CV's they have, with the exception of Moyes. Patience and backing is needed.

16.) 17 Aug 2020
17 Aug 2020 17:37:03
The fact your happy RD says we need to change😂😂.

17.) 17 Aug 2020
17 Aug 2020 17:38:53
RD maybe we can swap him for yours then. let's see what Ole can do with the Salahs and Manes of this world.

18.) 17 Aug 2020
17 Aug 2020 17:49:50
Red Man - I think it's clear that before Christmas Utd weren't good enough.

I think Ole gambled on the likes of Lingard, Pereria, Pogba, Rashford and Martial to step up and until January he was in real danger of losing his job.

Long term injury to Pogba, regular absences for Rashford and Martial with Lingard and Pereria clearly not god enough had Ole teetering on the edge.

The January signing of Fernandes and the emergence of Greenwood have improved us immeasurably.

I don't look at our form pre Christmas as it's no longer a reliable barometer of the potential of this team.

I think we all agree Ole has probably done enough to save his job and bought himself time to try and rebuild a team capable of challenging for the title. I think we must accept however that any title challenge will be difficult whilst Pep and Klopp remain in the Premier League.

Patience must prevail over panic and we must work towards methodically building a team that is ready to capitalise when Pep and Klopp finally leave in a few years time. By that point Rashford, Martial, Fernandes and Greewood will all either be in or approaching their peak years.

There is no magic bullet, patience, planning, hard work, ambition, steady, continuous progression
& intelligent recruitment is the only remedy.

19.) 17 Aug 2020
17 Aug 2020 18:01:36
He deserves another season. He's done what's been asked of him.

20.) 17 Aug 2020
17 Aug 2020 19:14:08
DLIB

Manchester United must sit by and patiently wait until Pep and Klopp have hoovered up enough trophies to satiate themselves. Really. Do you think the boardrooms at the giant clubs say that?

Two of the semi finals were post Christmas. There is nothing in Ole’s in game management that suggests he can take us to wins not gallant losers. I am sure the Liverpool fans would be delighted if Ole stayed for as long as.

21.) 17 Aug 2020
17 Aug 2020 19:07:47
It's a sad state of affairs when a Scouser can appear and talk more common sense than many on here.

RD 👏👏👏

As long as you don't have a hidden agenda of course 😉.

22.) 17 Aug 2020
17 Aug 2020 19:35:23
Nothing to do with being delighted Red Man. Let's be honest, you had the success over all those years and rubbed it in our faces ten fold.
It is what it was. No one could argue the success of the SAF era and rightfully so
My above point regarding give him another season relates to partly the fact that Klopp took his time. Built the team bit by bit. Knowing exactly what player he wanted in each position to make his system work, and work tremendously
Does Ole have a plan? A system? Does he know what he wants to make the team more competitive? Will he get the support from upstairs?
They are all major factors in turning a nearly team into a really team. Give him a season. See if the board will support him. Then see if he can improve on what has been a decent season and a step in the right direction.
Let me ask this. Would you have been more happier with Frank Lampard and what he achieved at Chelsea? Ole did more. Frank will be backed and so should OLE be.

23.) 17 Aug 2020
17 Aug 2020 19:37:08
Stevie, you could do better than kissing a scouser ass just because he says Ole is good. But still he won't take him.

24.) 17 Aug 2020
17 Aug 2020 19:53:36
Shan, I'm here to give the opinion I'm entitled to. I'm not here to gloat or take the pi$$ or for name calling.
No one has to ki$$ anyone's a$$'s but to engage in constructive conversation.

25.) 17 Aug 2020
17 Aug 2020 20:41:22
Shan, how old are you? Seriously? 12?

26.) 17 Aug 2020
17 Aug 2020 20:51:42
No still in the womb.

27.) 17 Aug 2020
17 Aug 2020 21:46:29
RD

Klopp knew what he was doing, he had top level experience and success at Dortmund. There is no comparison with Ole at all.

You ask whether Ole has a plan, a system? Does he know what he wants to make the team more competitive? In too many games he has shown a total lack of ideas on how to change the course of a game, let alone the course of a club.

Will the board support him, well, previously the achievement was reaching the CL and once they got that the owners didn’t seem to think they needed a big spend. Even if they spend I have serious doubts Ole would use them to the maximum.

On the Frank Lampard question, he started with a transfer ban, has had less time than Ole, but I can bet there won’t be the same sentimentality about him by Chelsea if he fails. I think the sentimental amateurs will give Ole more time but we will see the same problems.

28.) 17 Aug 2020
17 Aug 2020 22:34:42
Liverpool fan here and its best if you give him a ten year deal. All jokes aside yes he has done the bare minimum but he won't take you to the next level. Also Maguire is your Andy Carroll moment, you know he is carp deep down but you tell yourself he will eventually come good.

29.) 18 Aug 2020
18 Aug 2020 00:06:27
Didn’t we get more points when we came second under Jose than we did when we won the treble. Goes to show we can manipulate stats to fit any argument.

30.) 18 Aug 2020
18 Aug 2020 00:18:57
Rd you are welcome top post here anytime mate and i respect your point of view.
Since bruno arrived there have been some green shoots.
A good run of results and a 3rd place finish. 3 semi finals so on the face of it we had a good second half of the season.
But there is some context that does not inspire me when you look under the skin of those results.
Three semi finals when we couldn't deliver under pressure. A big fall off in performance in our last 4 league games when under pressure. Apart from the city game you could argue we were slight favourites or evens in all of those games. Penaltys got us out of a lot of tight spots. Nothing wrong with getting pens but it points to our inability to find ways from open play under pressure.
So my perspective is different to yours on this one.
Redman has pointed out his lack of game managment in his ability to change the course of a game.
I see the green shoots he has done some good things but i'm not sure that he can get the most from this squad.
He has a better squad than the one that won the EL a couple of years ago.
We didn't play 1 team from one of the top 5 leagues in europe until we played sevilla last night.
We did make lots of chances and the keeper played great but we lost, again.
Ole has had a real up and down time. 1st season great start 12 wins on the spin then lost it and blew the cl place.
2nd season crap start bruno came it got better it even got good for about 10 games but last 5 or 6 games its crap again. When it counted.
But he is here for the time being and retains his job so all i can do is hope it gets better but I've little or no faith in his ability to get us where we need to be. So as a fan i'm in the hope camp not the believe camp.
I don't have to make the decisions at the club but if i did i would be in the no hope camp.

31.) 18 Aug 2020
18 Aug 2020 00:41:27
An hour and a half ken, come on that's plenty of time. What were you playing at? 😂

Some great posts above. Wasn't feeling any pain. Apart from the pain I get knowing I'll have to watch this for another year.

We are not serious about getting back to the top, are we?

32.) 18 Aug 2020
18 Aug 2020 06:14:13
I guess there are valid points to both arguments Ken. Who else is there? You had 2 top men in LVG and Maurine and that didn’t work out. Where do the club go from here? What improvements can be made to take you to the next level?
As I said, I think he’s done ok and is taking you in the right direction.