29 Jan 2021 08:25:06
Eds, this is my final post so please let it pass through your filters.

Alty Jim - Whilst i respect your opinions as much as every other poster on this page regarding football, there are certain lines that are to be drawn.

You, sir, called my statement on Rashford and kids in Africa as "racist". The statement was by no means an act of racism and should not be construed that way. If you need proving about the state of life and kids in some parts of Africa, i invite you to come work with me and my team for a month in Africa and help in setting up basic facilities in some remote villages.

I come from India and i am no stranger to racism as it is. I have had to face my fair share of it whenever i have visited the Western "Civilized" world of yours. Its my money that your governments love else i would also be treated the same way as any other person coming from this part of the world.

Sir, one must not try and take the high road on some issues when its their own people who gave this disease this hatred called as Racism to the world. When the so called civilized mercenaries and militaries were busy plundering the countries and telling us how you were superior to us because of the color of the skin. That is racism.

On Rashford, i by no means mentioned anything about the color or the race and it was just something that he is already doing that i highlighted and mentioned that he could and ideally should extend his limits from the kingdom to other parts of the world where i said Africa, he is by all means welcome to that in India as well.

The fans on this page call each other names, toxic, idiot, nonsense, stupid, hyperbolic etc. But all that is based on the footballing comments that are made and all that is fine as its just a game. I have given that and taken it in equal measure. You called my opinion on the game/ tactics etc as hyperbole and i respect that. But i do not accept the charge of racism on me. I am not Cavani who will just take anything lying down like that.

I have always been an advocate of leaving this page without making noise and announcing the departures and i have made fun of that as well. But this charge on me is unacceptable and i will quit and leave all you guys in peace.

To everyone else-

Hope all your wishes on Ole being successful come true.
All you guys are truly a wonderful fan base, divided opinions or not but all at heart want the best for Manchester United.

Be Safe and Happy!

{Ed025's Note - shan you do realise that by removing your right to reply is just kow-towing to the haters dont you?, you have been on here for long enough to know there will always be contentuous posts and you have to rise above that mate, im sure you get pleasure from posting as we all do and your one of the more respected ones on here so why you would give that up is beyond me.
There will always be the odd idiotic reply or statement that irks us and as editors we try our best to police them but ther will always be the odd one that gets through as im sure you realise, of course if you dont want to be a part of the site than thats totally up to you and i wish you well my friend..


1.) 29 Jan 2021
29 Jan 2021 09:57:40
I have read down the page and Jim’s post said it could be seen as being on the cusp of being racist, and while I disagree perhaps just an explanation would suffice rather than skulking off like a child.

The majority of your posts try and incite people to argue, your hatred of Rashford is there for all to see, you constantly say the rest of us only think he’s good because he’s an academy player and ignore every single good thing he does. On the same thread Jim posted you started an argument with red whiskey which has led to him wanting to take a break from the page.

I’ve no idea how old you are but some of your posts recently have been so full of bile and hyperbole that eventually you’re going to get a reaction you don’t like, you can’t then react like a child taking their ball home. I don’t agree with your opinion or how you express it and I’m sure you don’t agree with mine, but as I said to red whiskey I wouldn’t encourage anyone to stop posting, maybe just try and find some balance and stop trying to annoy people and you’ll get responses you prefer.

If not then bye and good luck.


2.) 29 Jan 2021
29 Jan 2021 10:07:56
Why do people take everything to heart. It’s only words. I couldn’t care less what anybody thinks about me or says to me. This world we live in now is an absolute joke. Everybody afraid to say anything as it might be misconstrued. The do gooders and snowflake brigade make me sick. As long as it ain’t bullying or racist who cares. People need to get a grip far more important things to worry about like Man Utd.


3.) 29 Jan 2021
29 Jan 2021 10:18:46
Shan,

We are not all going to agree all of the time and that's fine, the problem is when posters continue to staunchly stick to bitching and moaning about the same thing over and over again. This leads to posters getting severely hacked off, is rashford as bad as you keep making out? It really does feel you have a vendetta against the guy.
As for the Rashford/ Africa comment I'm sensible enough to sort of see what your saying, but you could interpret that there could be racial undertones in that comment, again I don't for one minute believe that was your intention but none the less some people may find that comment offensive.
If you look at all your posts combined over the last couple of years there is one constant, a serious distain for marcus rashford is this justified? I'm my opinion no. But that's what forums are for sharing different opinions.

Stay safe chill out and all the best.


4.) 29 Jan 2021
29 Jan 2021 12:33:45
Shan personally i'd be disappointed if you stop posting.
Don't let people hound you off the page.
Lots of double standards on here. Even using the word 'hatred' is hyperbole lots of folk on here use it a lot it's simply not true and I expect it from the same people over and over again. The ones that criticise you are just as argumentative, childish and nasty at times but they can't see past the nose on their own face. They are just as repetitive and stead fast in their own opinions as you are in yours and just as quick and sometimes quicker with their i told you so's.
Keep posting as all opinions are welcome. thankfully free speech is what makes democracy a good think.
All opinions are welcome and if you don't agree fine but 'hatred' is not about its a pathetic accusation. Nasty and uncalled for.
God forbid you say that to one of the whiners.
Keep posting mate and 2 fingers up to the begrudgers.
Also Jim is also a good poster if you took offence to his post I understand but get over it is my advice. He doesn't know you or anything about you.


5.) 29 Jan 2021
29 Jan 2021 12:38:25
Shan, I don't think anyone should feel they have to leave the latest, but I've reread your post and it was vitriolic and unnecessary. We've had reasonably sensible debates about Rashford in the past but you sometimes get very emotional and confrontational about it.

If you are going to post like you did, expect some blowback.


6.) 29 Jan 2021
29 Jan 2021 12:58:35
Shan

A few years ago on here someone disagreed with my point of view, I think it was on Moyes. However they told me I had a syndrome that I needed medical help with, I think it was Don Quixote syndrome they said, quite nasty about it too. Now it’s new stuff, less offensive, but the point is that as with life there are different opinions, I don’t try to change anyones opinion but will put my point of view over. I am not afraid to and nor should you.

I hope you keep posting as much as I hope those who hold different opinions do. Life is too short to let an unknown faceless keyboard tapping person get to you. Me, I just laugh and keep going, put the perspective I have and worry about real problems in life. Keep posting.


7.) 29 Jan 2021
29 Jan 2021 13:13:33
Although I don't agree with everything you post on here Shan, I don't see anything racist in the post you are referring to.

There are people who misinterpret or try to judge the meaning of something based on their own perception or experiences and that does not change the actual meaning of what is said. Given the cultural differences, language barriers and other factors it is very easy to misjudge or misinterpret someone or something.

"Give respect take respect" - as long as we respect each others opinions and value everyone else, not as individuals but as humans the world is a beautiful place to be.

No need to get offended Shan, just chill and keep posting.


8.) 29 Jan 2021
29 Jan 2021 13:16:51
I agree with Blackpool red 100 per. Cent. Keep posting boys all of you.
Too much political correctness in the world. I've never gave out about a player as much in the last few weeks as martial. It's not racist. It's just because he is a passenger in my eyes in the United team. I say what I see. At the end of the day martial has a big fat bank account. Am I allowed say fat in this world now. And leahymike struggles to pay his bills and look after his family.
Manchester united and football take me out of reality for a few hours. And I look forward to the games and I enjoy the live chat. And it doesn't matter to me if a poster is ole in or ole out. We support the same team. Glory glory man united.


9.) 29 Jan 2021
29 Jan 2021 13:21:25
Ken,

I assume you meant me saying that Shan hates Rashford? If you have read his posts you have to agree that’s how it comes across, ignoring everything good he does and concentrating on everything bad he does is totally unfair. I think he hasn’t been great recently but he’s still a great player and an amazing person, somebody coming on here to constantly abuse him is always going to get arguments and quite rightly as united fans we should be treating one of our own exactly like that.

Shan constantly brings up that we only like Rashford because he’s local, which I find totally ridiculous, there have been plenty of local lads who haven’t been good enough. It’s also a bit of a misunderstanding of the history of the club and how much we love bringing players through to the first team and supporting them.

Maybe I just can’t see past the nose on my face though.


10.) 29 Jan 2021
29 Jan 2021 14:08:08
Shan, just out of curiosity, how long have you spent in Africa?


11.) 29 Jan 2021
29 Jan 2021 15:03:30
Shan, we rarely agree, and to be honest I'm fine with that. Everyone has their own opinion, just like everyone has an arsehole. It just so happens that more often than not I think yours stinks. Your opinion that is.

If you feel like you need a break then go for it, I've taken sabbaticals from the page from time to time, just make sure you come back. It would be a shame to lose a poster who isn't afraid to voice their opinion.


12.) 29 Jan 2021
29 Jan 2021 15:33:28
There you go again gds2 'abuse him you need to understand that it's not abuse or hatred. That's hyperbole. Simple. I think its nasty the way you do it. But I wouldn't say you hate shan or that you abuse him. You simply disagree. But you chose to put labels and very emotive words on what he is saying. Those labels are not true but you continue to use them and IMO you incite a lot more nastiness on these pages than shan every has . By accusing him of hatred and abuse. Its uncalled for. You have been called out by the eds for just that. I don't expect you to agree or see it but that's the way you come across to me many others and the eds.
I'm not suggesting you change btw but just realise how you come across.
Like me you probably don't give a hoot how you come across. You have been told multiple times so I'm sure you are well aware.


13.) 29 Jan 2021
29 Jan 2021 15:59:24
Wondered how long that would take, I’ve been told bla bla bla, you’re right I definitely don’t care what you think, I actually do care what the majority of the Ed’s think as I respect them and the job they do on the site so I take what they say seriously, I guess sometimes I’ve ‘overstepped the mark’ as it were but I’ve never been abusive and wouldn’t be and have changed my way of posting to fit in.

I think the way Shan talks about Rashford is abusive, just because you find that word so bad doesn’t mean it is, just like you getting on your high horse about the word hatred doesn’t mean by using it I am inciting anybody on the site. People can read and make their own minds up let’s be honest, the majority of people here are adults even if they choose not to act like it.

One person’s abuse is another person’s criticism, I found the post you just wrote about me pretty abusive but you probably just meant it as criticism, I’m not going to stop posting because of one person who doesn’t like me though and who wouldn’t be the bigger man when asked to call a truce and accept an apology just like you aren’t going to stop so let’s all have a big hug and sing glory glory man united and get smashed.


14.) 29 Jan 2021
29 Jan 2021 16:48:04
I'll drink to that👌🍷cheers.

{Ed047's Note - GDS2 has never been abusive! 🤣

I’m guessing “F**k Off” isn’t in anyway abusive then? 🤣🤣


15.) 29 Jan 2021
29 Jan 2021 17:16:11
I said the majority of the Ed’s for a reason 47.

{Ed047's Note - nooo, I’d never have guessed! 😢😢🤣🤣🤣


16.) 29 Jan 2021
29 Jan 2021 17:19:12
I think people read things different ways. I’ve never found GDS abusive, and I’m amazed he could incite nastiness I think he gets a lot of stick, much of it unfair but that’s how I read things.

As for Shan, it seems he’s not reading this thread but I find many of his posts very emotional and almost aggressive. I’ve had a few good debates with him but too often it seems personal to me. Again, that might be the way I read it.

We all get emotional from time to time, that’s the beauty of football, I’ve been back and apologised on here before although most probably weren’t offended and didn’t care.


17.) 29 Jan 2021
29 Jan 2021 17:21:21
Ed047. Ones mans f### off is another man's cheerful greeting. Don't forget that.

{Ed047's Note - Never Ken and in my case in relation to the cheerful greeting the c*** is always silent too! 🤷‍♂️🤣🤣


18.) 29 Jan 2021
29 Jan 2021 17:51:22
Imagine calling a brown boy racist hahhha. Shan you don't need to go nowhere. Frankly speaking they don't know you and you don't know them so post whay you want to post and the only people you should care about is the eds as they are the ones who run the site and they will know what's racist and slanderous.

I have posted things in the post and the eds respectfully explained to me that it was slanderous and i could put the site in trouble so i just r3frained myself from doing that again.

Anyways have a good day guys.

Over and out!


19.) 29 Jan 2021
29 Jan 2021 18:01:26
I never said he was abusive in fact I said he wasn't if you care to read it.

But he does incite some others and in a nasty way imo. Its his perogative. He won't please everyone no more than anyone does.
As for a truce? A truce for what? I'm not at war. Truce my ass. If I agree with you gds2 ill say so if I don't ill say so.

If I think your being like described below I'll say so. If I have no comment to make on a post of yours I won't comment.
Its not war I don't need a truce or an apology from you.

Its not just ed047 I don't know when you changed your posting style as this was just before Christmas

As per ed001 (copy and paste from 001 to gds2)

“I don't know why I am bothering, you are again twisting things, playing the victim, it is sad that you are making snide comments about how people are triggered, when you are the one, as usual, triggering things. It is pointless talking on here. I am sure you will come back with some smart arse comments, as usual, then try and act all innocent. You have been doing the same for years and years now. It is never your fault, but somehow you are always right there in the middle. Odd huh? Don't bother replying. It is time this conversation finished as it is going nowhere.”

{Ed047's Note - he’s also announced, on 2 occasions that I know of, that he was leaving the page, oddly he never has 🤷‍♂️


20.) 29 Jan 2021
29 Jan 2021 19:13:39
I left for a few hours then realised that this place is too funny to leave behind. 🤭🤭🤭.

{Ed007's Note - I think because everybody's been on here so long their menstrual cycles have synced up. It'll be tears and eating chocolate tomorrow.}


21.) 29 Jan 2021
29 Jan 2021 19:41:46
I agree Singh.


22.) 29 Jan 2021
29 Jan 2021 19:38:39
007 don't mention the hot flushes. 🥵🥵🥵.

{Ed007's Note - 😂😂


23.) 29 Jan 2021
29 Jan 2021 19:11:45
Ed047,

I’ve said a few times that I was having a break, things get heated at times.

Ken, you seriously went back and found that post? Absolutely embarrassed for you. Using Ed0001 to back up a point you supposedly weren’t even making, best thing I’ve seen on here for ages, thank you, I needed a laugh, I’ve had a pretty bad time recently as I’ve explained before and things like that really make things better.

{Ed047's Note - Hmm 🤦‍♂️

As for Ken being embarrassed, that is never happening as it is a perfect example of what you’re like.

It sums you up to an absolute tee!

Yet again playing the victim.


24.) 29 Jan 2021
29 Jan 2021 19:13:54
Ed047,

Do you want me to leave the site?

{Ed047's Note - still playing the victim, you would simply be banned, there is no do I want you to leave the site.

You can post sensibly when you decide not to be a complete arse! 🤷‍♂️


25.) 29 Jan 2021
29 Jan 2021 19:20:20
47,

Do you really think being told to F off is that offensive? Hardly personal abuse, you were being condescending as always and I quite rightly told you to do one, I didn’t think you would be offended, I hoped you might leave my posts alone which thankfully you have, but unfortunately there again to jump in when you want to stir things up. I apologise for profusely to you if I offended you, you’ve clearly not forgotten about it which is great, but I genuinely didn’t mean to offend.

Have a good evening everyone, peace and love.

{Ed047's Note - I don’t find the term offensive or you for that matter, you are everything that Ed01 described you as but you simply don’t see it.

As for your posts there is no leaving them alone fella, I’ll comment as and when I need too, but thanks anyway.

Clearly I won’t be accepting your joke of an apology, one because that is what it is and two because I really couldn’t give a toss about one.

Good that you’re here playing the victim again though 🤦‍♂️


26.) 29 Jan 2021
29 Jan 2021 20:11:18
Ken, our menstral cycles may well have synched up, but not all of us are as old as you, I'm certainly not getting hot flushes 😂.


27.) 29 Jan 2021
29 Jan 2021 20:42:41
All ahead of you shappy. 🤣🤣 I know you're still in the first flush of youth. 🤢🤢.


28.) 29 Jan 2021
29 Jan 2021 21:04:09
Decent thread this. Skipped EastEnders 😂😂.

{Ed007's Note - I'm just waiting for Peter Barlow turning up with some cans, a fishing rod and a KFC Bargain Bucket.}


29.) 29 Jan 2021
29 Jan 2021 22:05:09
Saying he's a mate of GDS 😂😂.

{Ed007's Note - 😂😂


30.) 30 Jan 2021
29 Jan 2021 23:57:48
Brilliant everyone, definitely didn’t play the victim, it’s a joke of a forum about football and you’re an editor, why would I care?

Peter Barlow is in Corrie not eastenders, Jesus Christ.

{Ed047's Note - 🤦‍♂️


31.) 30 Jan 2021
29 Jan 2021 23:58:46
No wonder people leave the site.

{Ed047's Note - you off then?


32.) 30 Jan 2021
30 Jan 2021 00:07:00
47,

Ban me then, absolute joke.

{Ed047's Note - I know you are, hence you’re still here 🤣


33.) 30 Jan 2021
30 Jan 2021 01:18:28
Probably worth a reply on my part.

I stand by what I said on the original reply to Shan further down the page. It might not be what some classify as racist these days but just the terminology used sticks in the craw and, as I said in my initial post, was pretty clumsy.

Couple of points:

1. It’s been assumed that I am white. Interesting conclusion to draw. Also interesting to note that ‘a brown boy’ can’t be racist.

2. The terms ‘haters’, ‘them/ us’, etc. is overly-partisan for my liking, and I never realised there were such divides in the fan base until I visited this page many years ago. The overriding feeling I have about all that is that it’s a shame people are so angry about it sometimes. It’s just sport. I love Ronnie O’Sullivan and absolutely love it when he plays and wins. I don’t get stroppy and insulting when he loses though - I recognise the glory of sport for the drama it throws up.

3. It was just my opinion. Remember that when someone (arguably successfully) picks you up on a point and probably proves it wrong, it’s up to you to be humble and hold your hands up. I think Shan made a comment in the heat of the moment that portrayed him in a light that may be considered racist. Clumsily racist, perhaps, but not something I think he may look back on with some regret. As has been pointed out, I don’t know the guy personally, but I certainly know his views when it comes to United, and can deduce from that what he meant to say.

For the record, I am neither Ole In or Out - I think the modern idea of supporting a manager rather than a club a strange one, and I am currently enjoying United being in with a shout for the league. It was a stinker of a result but clearly/ hopefully an anomaly.

Also Shan, if it helps, sir, you shouldn’t leave this forum just because of me. Come on, I’ve got lots more things to pick you up on ha!


34.) 30 Jan 2021
30 Jan 2021 07:54:00
Well GDS knows his soaps 😂.