29 Nov 2021 21:34:26
I have just read that a large flag banner will be passed across the Stretford End on Thursday with Ole on it as a thank you to him. It just highlights the ridiculous sentiment there is. New interim manager, yet still looking backwards tearfully. Farcical.

1.) 29 Nov 2021
29 Nov 2021 23:04:46
I see no reason not to thank him. It wasn't his fault the club made a bad appointment. Nor does it imply that they want him to stay, only that they recognize his contribution to the club as a player and his efforts as a manager. Let's just be grateful that he's gone now and that, finally, it may have dawned on the management of the company that they need to move on from the Ferguson era. Pity it took them so long.

2.) 29 Nov 2021
29 Nov 2021 23:10:29
Not really red man, if a selection of the supportors want to show there love for a man that is a legend as a player,

Regadless of his faults as manager he has left us in a much better place than when he took over

All we need is someone to get the confidence back and install a system, the season isn't dead just because we are 5 off top 4 and 12 off top and that us being a poor as we have that is nothing we with right manager and belief

It can't get any worse the only way is up.

But what it does show it that we have amazing fans that are willing to show a man who unfortunalty was unable to take us where we wanted,

But he will always be a someone that is loved regardless and shows that us united fans above the toxicness of a few are still the best fans in the world and show love to one of our own

I for one will be chanting his name thirsday regardless of how his time ended and regardless of how i thought of him as a manager.

3.) 29 Nov 2021
29 Nov 2021 23:52:43
Good to see, the club will always have class and the fans doing something like that is very classy. Time to move on, but Ole will always be a legend at the club.

4.) 30 Nov 2021
29 Nov 2021 23:56:00
He is regarded as a club playing legend I've no issue with that.
If the fans want to get that message to him and the rest of football I wouldn't argue against it.
As a player I was there and he gave everybody a moment none of us will ever forget.
As a manager he oversaw my most miserable 2 plus years, and that's as a fan for 47.
The 2 are separate. I feel many would have expected me to have been on dancing on his grave so to speak. But that's not been the case. I've empathy for anybody in his situation not withstanding it bring the right call despite it being way too late. I'm full of hope for the future and don't see the point in dwelling on a miserable tenure.
We are where we are now I'm only looking forward.
As the years go by I'm sure I'll forgive ole for what he put me through as a manager and erase it from my memory bank.
The less said about him for now the better imo but for some fans love is unconditional and while I don't agree or understand I respect their point of view and their right to share it.

5.) 30 Nov 2021
30 Nov 2021 00:00:25
Red Man, he's gone fella. Let it go ?.

6.) 30 Nov 2021
30 Nov 2021 10:09:59
As a club effort and trying ones best are the keystones to all of our success.

Hard work beats talent when talent forgets to work hard.

Ole wasn't good enough as a manager but that isn't due to a lack of effort. He no doubt gave his all to our club. As both a player and a manager.

While it's arguable that the squad and the club is in a stronger position now than when he took over.

I think it shows class to thank someone who tried their best for our club.

He's gone and he won't be coming back. With Rangnick now working with the club it looks like we won't repeat the mistakes of the past 10 years.

Just let it go.

7.) 30 Nov 2021
30 Nov 2021 10:47:56
Perhaps the fans have realised that whilst he wasn't up to the job it was entirely his fault.

It is a sign of appreciation. His interview on MUTV showed how much Ole cares about the club.

8.) 30 Nov 2021
30 Nov 2021 13:21:31
Were there banners for Moyes, LvG, Jose? They too tried their best i guess and all of them won more trophies than the inept one. Sentimental fools living in the past.

9.) 30 Nov 2021
30 Nov 2021 13:23:11
It's a pity he did'nt get the Europa League win to have a trophy to show for his time as manager, he tried his best but was'nt good enough, but then again at a properly run club he never would have got the job in the first place so the people who deserve the most scorn are the people running the club.

10.) 30 Nov 2021
30 Nov 2021 16:45:07
Ole has a banner from his playing career hung to thank him. As a manager he was abysmal, achieved nothing of note. Thanking a manager who managed us for 3 years and won nothing is embarrassing. Like the "Oles at the wheel" chants been sung by our rival fans, I am sure there will also be thanking him for achieving nothing.

LvG and Jose got no such treatment even though they achieved more.

11.) 30 Nov 2021
30 Nov 2021 19:34:25
I am now convinced 3 or so posters had personal issues with Ole. He's gone, a couple of fans want to show him that they still are fond of him for his dedication to the club both as player and coach, and yet some posters are going berserk at this. Really?

It doesn't cost a thing to be nice. If you have nothing nice to say about the bloke why don't you just stay quiet. I tend to think the most miserable guys on here are just as miserable in their lives.

12.) 30 Nov 2021
30 Nov 2021 19:50:24
Fair play to Ken for his reply but you are right Unruly, there are a few who can't let it lie.

13.) 30 Nov 2021
30 Nov 2021 19:52:59
UA, there is a subtle difference when it comes to sacking a man that many fans have an emotional attachment to.

Ole due to his playing career is considered by many as "one of our own". The danger of hiring such a man is you can easily turn the fan base against the people running the club if/ when it comes time to sack/ remove that person.

There is already a narrative that the blame for Ole's failures lie above him and how the club is run.

Due to the unique nature of the relationship between the fans and the owners our club needs to handle things in a certain way. The signing of Ronaldo was almost certainly done in part to appease unhappy fans at the proposed failed ESL.

From a cynical point of view Ole's exit interview and the banner is all about the club (owners) showing love, appreciation and respect to a person they have had to sack. A man many fans feel a great deal of affection for and as such will be angry at another failed manager at what is clearly a poorly run club.

It's all about limiting backlash and stopping fans question who is running the club and potentially damaging protests.

While the fan in me hopes it's from a genuine place of affection for a man who tried his best but fell short. A man who is as much a fan as we are, a man who gave his all, which sadly wasn't enough.

Unfortunately I suspect it's more likely the cynical reasoning. We have a club that is all about looks over substance. As long as we appear to be being run correctly, as long. As we appear to be the biggest club in the world, etc. It's all about the image. That's why signing Ronaldo bumped up our share price, it made the club "look" like a big player, a serious contender, while adding a player with huge brand awareness. It doesn't really matter if Ronaldo is a success on the pitch, he'll be a big enough success off of it to make the transfer pay off.

14.) 30 Nov 2021
30 Nov 2021 20:32:27
Noucamp

It’s not me you should be saying he’s gone let it go.

Unruly

You know nothing of me or my life so don’t write about it, trying to be clever.

Simon Jordan says the same. This is a sentimental piece of tosh that Manchester United should not be involved with.

There is nothing personal, I was there at the Nou Camp, when he scored that goal, sang his name at Barcelona airport, all the way home, at the parade and many games after.

However, this flying a flag and weeping over him after he failed as a manager, tells us exactly why we continue to fail, why fans are clouded about reality.

It isn’t me that needs to let go, it’s all the sentimental jobs who wave a flag like that, it is they who need to let go.

15.) 30 Nov 2021
30 Nov 2021 20:47:24
Unruly, I don't know if I'm on your 3 man shortlist or not but the reason why it's embarrassing is because it's simply not done. Other managers at other clubs have done more and received less. This isn't the club/ fans making a gesture to a man who due to some unforseen circumstances had to leave. He managed us, he failed, he left. The circle of life.

Sing his name at the ground If they want to show support. A giant flag thanking a manager who our history books will show as one of our poorest managers is ridiculous.

I don't hate the man. I think he's a poor excuse of a manager and spent years bleating on about it here but that doesn't mean I dislike the man. I'm glad he's gone, he nicked a living for 3 years and was paid £7 million quid to leave a club he gladly would have relegated if it meant him staying in charge.

His playing status is in the history books and thankfully so is his managerial tenure with us.

I look forward to clapping after 20 minutes at each home game, retiring the number 20 and of course our annual Ole day, a day to remember his crowing achievement, an away win at PSG.

Onwards and upwards!

16.) 30 Nov 2021
30 Nov 2021 21:14:44
I didn't even have to mention names.

17.) 01 Dec 2021
01 Dec 2021 03:47:15
Unruly, i am assuming you are one of the three or probably a combination of all three in your display image here. don't try to be a judge of people you don't know.

Shappy, i am agreeing with most of your post. isn't what you are saying also what Red Man and myself have alluded to? Its all about emotion for the player Ole. And if that was the case why weren't there posters over the last 15 years? People need to get their heads out of Ole's ass now.

18.) 01 Dec 2021
01 Dec 2021 07:49:17
UA, I don't think anyone has ever had their head up Ole's ass.

From the fans it might be sentiment and why shouldn't it. What is wrong with fans feeling sentimental about the club their love, or any of its past or present hero's


Surely for fans it's ALL about the sentimental attachment to the club.

As for the people running the club, are they doing that on sentiment? Definitely not in my opinion. I've never known investors to get sentimental in the running of one of their investments. Cold hard decisions made to maximise return and minimise investment.

For the people running the club they want smooth trouble free running. They don't want fan backlash as its costly and disruptive. As seen with the protests last season causing the postponement of the Liverpool game.

They know they are not loved by the fans, and they have just taken the decision to sack a man who is loved by many fans (for his achievements as a player) .

Honouring him from their perspective isn't about sentiment, it's about quelling potential fan backlash aimed at them.

19.) 01 Dec 2021
01 Dec 2021 09:54:37
Shappy is completely right. The owners used the naive and gullible fans sentimentality against them hiring Ole and now they're continuing to do it.

This is like here in Ireland when the health services were being overrun, working in poor conditions, over worked. Instead of the government giving them a raise, improving their conditions like they should have done, instead they told people to stand in their gardens clapping for them at 6:00pm every night.

It's misdirection, it's manipulation. Has there ever been a man who achieved so little yet be so lauded?

20.) 01 Dec 2021
01 Dec 2021 13:00:34
Mumbles, that might be taking paraphrasing to its absolute limits ?

I don't think the owners/ club used the fans sentimentality or even took it into account when hiring Ole.

Simply they brought him in as an interim manager, he did exceptionally well in that role, while the club got knock backs on other targets.
Apparently Spurs wants 20m+ compensation for Pochettino, something the club refused to consider.
So while they were struggling to come up with viable options, the interim did very well and there was a big push by certain people in the media for Ole to get the job full-time. The club were weak and went down the easy route.

At no point was it a sentimental choice. Ed Woodward and Joel Glazer never got dewy eyed remembering the 99 final. Neither did they think about hiring Ole simply because some fans were sentimental about him.

It was based on a combination of him doing better than expected, pressure from his friends and former colleagues in the media, and a lack of genuine options at the time.

21.) 01 Dec 2021
01 Dec 2021 13:04:36
Let’s have applause at 20 mins in the game for his shirt number or add his name on the managers chair and leave it empty forever in recognition of Oles stint as manager. The flag and this nonsense is utter sentimental claptrap, heaven help us when m he pass away. We should have moved on as a club but this nostalgia holds us back so much.

22.) 01 Dec 2021
01 Dec 2021 16:10:37
Red Man, we are a club filled with sentimentality.
Should we knock down the United Trinity statue?
Should we rename the Sir Alex or Sir Bobby stands, maybe get a corporate deal, they could be the Pepsi stand and the KFC stand maybe.
Let's stop honouring those that died in the Munich air disaster.
We can stop stadium tours, and throw all the trophies and photographs in a couple of boxes and stick them in the loft.
Stop talking about our history, no reminiscing about great matches or moments we remember.
That time your dad took you to your first game carrying you on his shoulders is a load of sentimental old claptrap and should be forgotten.
No moments of silence or a round of applause for former players, managers or coaches when they pass away.

Kill any sentiment or anything that you hold dear about the club. It's worthless, only winning matters.

Of course winning doesn't matter if it doesn't mean something, if you feel joy at winning then isn't that just sentimental bolloxs?

What is this frankly ridiculous war you seem to be waging against the very thing that makes supporting a club (any club) worthwhile?

I know you couldn't understand why the club didn't sack Ole sooner. But it certainly wasn't because the people making the decisions were "sentimental" about him.

I mean why do you support the club? Are you not proud of our history? Does supporting the club not bring you joy?

Are you that much of a Victor Meldrew that you have lost all affection and love for the club?

23.) 01 Dec 2021
01 Dec 2021 16:42:41
Post, Shaps. I sometimes wonder why people follow a club, if not for the emotions it stirs. Is it really just a business to them, with winning trophies the only point to it all?

{Ed014's Note - just out of interest what recognition does Mark Robins get who without doubt scored a way more important goal than that joke of a manager you’ve just binned?

24.) 01 Dec 2021
01 Dec 2021 18:01:31
Sentiments and emotions linked with the club and sentiments linked to a clown manager are 2 different things Shappy. The point is Shappy, how many banners for Scholes, Beckham, Keane, Neville etc? NONE. Then why for Ole that too right after his miserable reign as the manager? He did not try anything just favoured his favourite game after game. He just satisfied his own ego and looked after his bank balance.

25.) 01 Dec 2021
01 Dec 2021 18:01:55
Shappy

Unreal nonsense post. All to defend the outpouring of grief over a failed manager.

I have had a journey of emotion with the club which included knowing a Munich survivor, the extreme highs and lows, home and away games, winning, relegation, it’s a journey you can’t possibly conceive when you write all these thousands of words of twaddle.

Therefore I suggest you don’t try to lecture me on what it means to be a United fan, because you really haven’t been there. There is a difference between sentiment and sentimental decisions and raw emotion.

I was there for SAFs last game, waved the red flag, sang the songs because he deserved it. Ole failed, won nothing and was sacked, the flag is a piece of rank sentimentality. We should have moved on without it,

26.) 01 Dec 2021
01 Dec 2021 18:12:33
Stevie, could you imagine being in the seat in front of Red Man at Old Trafford? United score you jump up to celebrate and then you have Red Man barking in your ear telling you to sit down and pack it in with the sentimental crap.

I don't get it I really don't. He comes on here every February talking about the flowers of Manchester, but then posts ridiculous stuff like this bemoaning "sentimentality" because it suits his narrative now.

And people say I keep changing my opinion.

Like you say surely we all watch football to get those feelings of joy, to remember the great games, the great moments etc.

He seemed to get it in his head that Ole got the job and kept the job on sentiment. He didn't obviously, as the only people connected to the club who carry any real sentiment are the fans, and we don't get to make or influence any of the key decisions at the club.

Ole was hired by people who didn't know better, he was kept in the job because those same people believed in him. It's that simple. They were wrong obviously. But surely that is all by the by now. Ole is gone, sacked, he won't be picking line, taking a coaching session or representing the club as our manager again.

If the fans and the club want to honour him then fine, if you don't want to then fine. That is your choice, your opinion and you are entitled to it. But for god's sake let it go.

27.) 01 Dec 2021
01 Dec 2021 18:23:17
Ed014, I think Robins gets widely credited for his role in saving Fergie's job, though the club always said his job would have been safe anyway.

To compare a bit-part player who had one special moment, with Ole as a player is a bit of a stretch. Scoring the winning goal in an ECL final, Fergie's first, to bring an end to the treble season, again a first, I think rates slightly higher in supporter's consciousness.

{Ed014's Note - a goal that set the whole Fergie era in motion is that easily discounted, I find that odd if I’m honest.

I’m not saying that Ole’s goal was not important but does that really warrant this crazy outpouring of emotion following his abject failings as a manager.

I can’t get my head around that, it was so obvious looking in that he stayed in that role, after lucking into it, simply for the kudos of being United manager.

To listen to his woeful pre and post match interviews was another level of cringe.

He truly made your club become even more of a laughing stock than any of those that went before him post Fergie.

28.) 01 Dec 2021
01 Dec 2021 18:24:43
'Outpouring of grief' ?.

{Ed014's Note - maybe he was referring to the supporters of all the other clubs who have been hit hardest by his sacking! ?‍♂️??

29.) 01 Dec 2021
01 Dec 2021 19:15:08
Ah right, I think I get it now Red Man. YOUR feelings and YOUR sentiment is important and means something. But that of others especially if it supports someone you don't like is nonsense and claptrap.

Just the absolute height of hypocrisy.

I'm not defending the "outpouring of grief" if that's what a banner is.

I have explained why the club are doing it, and that has nothing to do with sentiment.

I have explained why fans feel sentimental, and challenged your ascertain that sentiment has no place in football.

It was hardly a lecture, but if you say something foolish like "sentiment has no place in football" then I will absolutely challenge it.

Absolute absurd nonsense from you.

30.) 01 Dec 2021
01 Dec 2021 19:41:32
Ed014, there's so much hyperbole around right now. Most Utd fans I know have a soft spot for Ole, and wanted him to succeed. But we were also aware that he proved to be out of his depth. This outpouring of grief nonsense is so wide of the mark. A certain regret it didn't turn out the way we hoped, yes. Grief-stricken? Hardly.

{Ed014's Note - It just seems the page has got a little daft with all this stuff surrounding Ole.

Wasting 1000’s of words on something and someone worth just a few, those being thanks and goodbye.

31.) 01 Dec 2021
01 Dec 2021 20:18:38
Ed14

I shake my head, some just cannot see how ridiculous this flag is and as you say these crazy emotional outbursts.

Shappy

You don’t get the difference between the United Trinity statue, the Sir Alex or Sir Bobby stands, trophies and Ole who failed as a manager. I understand the emotion of the club, but there is no justification for the sentimental outpouring resulting in the flag.

32.) 01 Dec 2021
01 Dec 2021 21:35:30
To be fair Ed014, it was Red Man who put up the OP. Most of us are just looking forward to seeing how the new guy does. Now, I'm away to get my hankie. This is all getting too much for me. And that's for wiping away my tears, not anything else, before someone replies with a smutty comment ?.

{Ed014's Note - ?? that’s my thinking, lots to look forward to, nothing worthwhile looking back at.

33.) 02 Dec 2021
02 Dec 2021 00:37:13
'Crazy emotional outbursts' ?.

34.) 02 Dec 2021
02 Dec 2021 08:52:58
Stevie, oh the irony that the only "emotional outburst" was in the original post by the very person now claiming people are too emotional.

You couldn't write this stuff.

35.) 02 Dec 2021
02 Dec 2021 11:55:13
Shappy

You just don’t get how stupid we look for flying a flag to say thank you to a failed sacked manager. Thousands of words pour out of you full of nonsense about our history, much of it you never experienced yourself, yet you, like some others just look back, I want to look forwards. Again, you refer to emotion, I referred to sentiment. Sentiment is flying a flag when we should have drawn a line and moved on. Looks like some cannot get away from the sentiment of 1999. Sentiment not emotion.

36.) 02 Dec 2021
02 Dec 2021 13:00:01
Red Man, you accuse everyone of wanting to look back. Yet from what I've seen on here over the past week is everyone excited and looking forward to the club's new direction under a new manager.

The only person who is repeatedly looking backwards and starting conversations about our now ex-manager is you.

If you want to look forward then forget Ole, forget everything that happened under him, it's all history now. Instead maybe talk about what the future, what your thoughts and hopes are for the new manager and beyond.

It is you who is the broken record stuck with Ole on repeat. Ole seems to be living rent free in your head and you just don't know how to shift him.

You're worried about how the rest of the world will view us putting up a flag as a symbol to say that Ole still has a place in the hearts and minds of United fans. It's a flag, they get put up and taken down all the time. It's not a statute, we aren't renaming a stand after him, we won't be playing at the Solskjaer arena, it'll still be Old Trafford.

It's a god damn flag that 99% of the non-United fans will never know about let alone care about. Most United fans will probably never know of it. It'll be tomorrow's chip wrapper before you know it.

Since Ole has been sacked there has been maybe 12 posts about Ole, of which you have posted 10 of them.

Get over it, the more you post about Ole, even after he's been sacked, the more it just comes across like a personal vendetta.

37.) 02 Dec 2021
02 Dec 2021 13:26:30
Like you did with Jose shappy?

38.) 02 Dec 2021
02 Dec 2021 14:26:41
Exactly Ken, I didn't bother writing posts specifically about Jose once he left.

I may have referenced back to him when comparing what was happening to what had happened before.

But I didn't write posts about him once he was gone. It was never personal with me and Jose. I respect him as a manager, and even liked him when he was clever, articulate and cheeky earlier in his career. His attitude soured while at Real Madrid, and he carried that with him to Chelsea and us. I never thought he was a good fit for our club, and in the end I guess I was proven right. I backed him to start his third season having felt he had earned the right after a decent second place finish. Although had reservations about how he was handling things. It then totally unraveled in his third year, yeah shock right, and it became apparent that he needed to leave.

My issues where that I thought his handling of the players was outdated, and in some cases borderline bullying. His tactics and style of play were never my cup of tea. While I also had concerns about his ability/ intention to blood youngsters.

I'm happy to discuss any of this if asked or prompted. But I don't and didn't just write posts knocking a manager after they left.

39.) 03 Dec 2021
03 Dec 2021 08:21:08
Shappy

The post was about the stupid sentimentality of a flag and you clearly still don’t get it.