11 Jan 2014 07:05:47
The posts are starting to become just more and more ridiculous on here.

People asking "Do you trust Moyes with the money?" make me laugh. Based on what? ONE signing? A signing in which the club negotiated poorly with low offers? A signing who didn't have a pre season with us and has been injured and not settled yet? Based on an injury ravaged season in which the strongest line up could be fielded in just 2 or 3 games?

What about his other targets like Fabregas, Herrera, Baines which were just what we needed but the club didn't get them done?

Get a grip lads, Moyes knows a good footballer and he has the right scouting support. Its pretty clear what his targets are and they are quality players.

Contrary to popular belief he DOES NOT decide the valuations or negotiate the deals.

Some of the reactions on here have been absolutely shameful. It makes me think a lot of you probably didn't deserve a great manager like Sir Alex at the club.

We have been going on about the poor tempo of play, slack defending from Evra, slow center backs, no midfield and underperforming wingers for a few years now, but suddenly now its all of Moyes' creation? No other manager than Sir Alex could get these players to play like a top side. Not Jose, not Klopp, not Pep or any other name you may fancy. Its been coming for a long time. This is a team which has grown old together and played under just one manager for a long time. Its exactly similar to the situation in which Chelsea found themselves.

He has a rebuilding task at hand, a big one. He needs to ship out the deadwood and bring in new faces, make it his own team and the club need to do whatever they can to make it happen. The club has been poor in the transfer market for a few years now, that needs to change. Rio, Vidic, Giggs, Evra will all be gone in the summer and replaced with younger more energetic players. If the club can sign a Vidal or Koke (both of whom Moyes has targeted) then we WILL have a better midfielder than Cleverley.

Should Moyes settle for a lesser quality left back at a higher rate right now or should he buy a top quality one in the summer? I think he will do the latter.

On the other hand the away support has been absolutely fantastic. They have made the team feel at home on the road. The opposition home fans were complaining to a journalist on whether United had been given a bigger allocation, when told that it was the same as other clubs, they couldn't believe it. Its been ten times as loud as any other away support.

1.) 11 Jan 2014
Its good to read th occasional bit of sense posted on hear. But alas, I think it will probably far on deaf ears as usual. Await the barrage of negative responses!

2.) 11 Jan 2014
Morning redfaith. Do you honestly think that fellaini represents good value at £27.5m? He played quite a few matches before his injury and he was rubbish in all of them. More importantly, his best games for Everton were when he was played behind striker and the ball was lumped up to him. He does that well, but that is not the way united play. And hopefully it won't be in future. So Moyes then attempted to play him as a defensive midfielder and he did not show any signs that he can adapt to this position.
Agree with you on the away support and long it may last.
Disagree that anyone should be ashamed just for speaking the truth, if someone crtisizes the team then that does not mean we don't love them or support them, exactly the opposite.I think it is a sympstom of the world today that no one is allowed to critisize. The only way we can improve is to identify our weaknesses and correct them. "Believe" on its own is not going to cut it if we have an average manager who cannot seem to organise, motivate or command the dressing room.

3.) 11 Jan 2014
Great post RF I don't think any manager would have got anything else out of this squad. Regardless of what the "Moyes out " brigade want he will be given time and money to create his own squad once that has happened only then can we get on our soap box and judge.

4.) 11 Jan 2014
To quote you "The club has been poor in the transfer market for a few years now, that needs to change." this. I posted last year we needed about 8 new players (Savage says 12) and got ridiculed for it. I also said I hope some can come through our youth players either way its a huge rebuild. The players we bring in need to be top notch ( which should go without saying).

For those who say funds will be made available I'll quote you again "The club has been poor in the transfer market for a few years now, that needs to change." despite all the evidence to the contrary. Two great example would be Fabregas or Herrera. We bid for both a derisory amount for Fabregas and 30m Euros for Herrera when AB said we could have him for his buyout clause = 36m Euros. I'm not convinced Herrera would be the right player, but that is irrelevant, if he's the guy we want then pay the extra.

5.) 11 Jan 2014
At last some one talking sense and not a Johny come lately who have all been spoiled with continuous success. The job David Moyes has taken on is immense and this is recognised by everyone connected with the club, the reason he was given a 6yr contract.We have a choice, a short term fix or the job done the right way, which will take longer, but will eventually provide long term success, I know what I prefer.

6.) 11 Jan 2014
Sorry but I think your wrong, I think someone like Klopp would have got the team playing well and to say they would not is just guessing, the managers you mentioned have a winning mentality unlike Moyes, if they would of got the players they wanted, probably not (due to woodward) but they would have gotten a lot more out of the team than Moyes.
Irrespective of what I think though Moyes is the manager and really needs to sign someone soon to stop this rot, if only temporarily then let's really see what he can do next year.

7.) 11 Jan 2014
@Nomidfield

What does the amount we paid for Fellaini have to do with Moyes? He DOES NOT decide the valuation or negotiate. He deals with the football side of things. The negotiation team is to blame for the amount we spent on Fellaini. Fellaini isn't great but he is effective at what he does. He needs time to settle and will do a job for us. He was very good last season for Everton.

I do not have anything against people who are not happy with the results, and have constructive criticism but the manner of the reactions is what I am ashamed of. Moyes being called a "clown" is going way too far.

This is a manager who came into the biggest managerial job in football and was not given most of his transfer targets, was left with an ageing defense, no midfield and a star player "issue". Moyes isn't the problem at the club.

@stalyvegas red

Neither Jose nor Klopp could have done much with this side. The only reason we won last year was RVP being fit and Sir Alex KNOWING these players inside out and his management. It would have been impossible for anyone to have the level of understanding that he had with these players just after coming in.

Dortmund have had a few injuries this season, similar to ours and they are struggling in the Bundesliga.

Truth is this team will not improve until at least 7-8 players are shipped out and replaced with proper quality replacements.

8.) 11 Jan 2014
Stalyvegas,
"I think someone like Klopp would have got the team playing well and to say they would not is just guessing".
Is it not also guessing to say Klopp would have got this team playing well? The trust is we don't know, and never will. There is no guarantee that ANY manager would be doing any better. SAF got every last drop out of this squad, and it has all come to a grinding halt. This squad has come to the end of its road and needs rebuilding. I keep reading on here that we should have got Klopp or Mourinho ar Guardiola, and maybe that is a fair arguement, but Guardiola CHOSE Munich, and what's to say that any of the others mentioned would have come?

9.) 11 Jan 2014
Betty/REDFAITH

Klopp is a proven winner, who knows how to build winning teams and play great football. No matter what you do you cannot give Moyes the experience he hasn't got. Previously Everton were dangerous at OT when they humped the ball up to Fellaini playing just off the front man.
What is interesting is what the Everton fans thought about Moyes. Take a read for example after they lost to Wigan in the cup, many wanted rid of him, then they openly couldn't believe their luck that we took him.
This is Sexton revisited and many of us fear for the future of our club if Moyes stays

10.) 11 Jan 2014
Redfaith, if you read my post and red man post, fellaini used to play a different roll at Everton. They were quite content to pump the ball up to him to make nuisance of himself or nod the ball to the attacker. But this is Manchester United, we don't play football like that. Or I hope not anyway.
With regards the money spent on fellaini, of course Moyes sanctioned the deal and agreed on the price. Are you honestly saying that mooted didn't have anything to do with the price of the fellaini deal? That is utter rubbish. And if that was the case, then Moyes is even more clueless than we give him credit for.
On the subject of klopp and mourinho, I think even the most blinkered ardent fans of Moyes will have to agree that both would have done a much better job than out man. You can argue as much as you want, but both klopp and mourinho are winners, been there and done it, while Moyes is still trying to make himself believe that he can do the job, if and when he does that, he then has to convince the team that he can do the job.
In the meantime, we will have to put up with his clueless tactics, excuses about referees, excuses re injuries, excuses about bad luck.

11.) 11 Jan 2014
Spot on nomidfield