08 Jan 2014 20:28:14
I have pondered why there is such desire from a few to give Moyes more time than he has earned. If this was at any of the really top clubs the white hankies would have been waved and he would have gone by now, so why the loyalty to someone who isn't even one of our own like say Hughes or Bruce?
The reason to me is that we have too much sentimentality towards individuals, leading to a decision based too much on the heart rather than the head. If we used logic then Moyes CV isn't good enough for United and already sooner than expected the cracks caused by that are wide open. Our club has long been synonymous with high emotion and that appears to have led to giving people a chance beyond the level other top clubs would allow. It is sentiment and that sentimentality gives others an edge over us.

1.) 08 Jan 2014
Agreed as I said below any other top team would have got shot of him by now!!

2.) 08 Jan 2014
I agree Red Man, we as united supporters have been spoilt by having Fergie for so long that we think it is the only way that logevity breeds success, if you look at it at the most basic level some managers work some don't and any amount of hope won't change that. Look at Pardew, the second longest serving manager at Newcastle at won nowt.

3.) 08 Jan 2014
It's not sentimentality, it stems from a deeply engrained belief that 'United have to do things differently.' It's the same reason people spout things like 'United don't buy stars, they make them' or 'If you stay at United, the money will come in time' and so on.

We have had the luxury of having one world class manager for over 25 years. During the last two decades the world of football haas changed dramatically, but we had Fergie here providing stability. So United fans scoffed at Chelsea and City fans who expected immediate success, and (in Chelsea's case) sacked managers after a few months. Now that we have lost our constant, a significant number of United fans feel compelled to prove that they're not like those other fans, and will back the manager regardless of the mounting evidence that he simply isn't up to the task.

A think there is also an element of people thinking that if Moyes succeeds we will have another Fergie, and another twenty odd years of stability and success. However, a lot of us are wising up to the fact that there is something rotten in the club from top to bottom. The key for me is that Moyes was 'told' that he was the next manager of Manchester United. This played into supporters belief that we are special and the right man would be ecstatic to join us. The truth is that any top class manager could not be told that they were taking any job, the would have to be convinced. To convince a top manager you need to prove that the money and resources are there to compete at the top level. Fergie tried to convince Pep but Bayern offered a far better chance for success. The alternative was to plump for Moyes, a man who felt so lucky to be offered a top job that he didn't need to be convinced of anything.


Sorry about that, for a second I forgot that we all need to believe in Moyes and everything will be dandy.

4.) 08 Jan 2014
Red Man

I agree we are different and operate different standards. However, I think the Glazers are detached from reality - SAF recommended DM therefore he must be good right? As I have stated before, no other business would have appointed someone who could not demonstrate a track record of success, relevant experience, or huge potential.

The 6 year contract suggests we are in this for the long haul whatever we think.

5.) 08 Jan 2014
Because Moyes has only had half a season with a squad that most people will agree has been on the decline for a few years? Yes, United won the league last season, but saying that they were a dominant force would be some stretch. Yes United have badly underperformed this season, but they're still in the hunt for a Champion's League spot, as well as being in the competition itself. I don't believe that the manager is the reason for United's position in the table. Look at the squad and you'll find more than a few sub-par players who start matches regularly. Let Moyes have the summer window to clear out some of the deadwood and put his stamp on the squad. If things aren't going well this time next year, I would understand the cries for him to be sacked, but only half way into his first season replacing the most successful manager of all time?!? Come on.

6.) 08 Jan 2014
" From a few to give Moyes more time than he has earned

I would think you are in the minority in your views mate and it has nothing to do with sentiment.

TBF I trust SAF and SBC, the board and people at the club and their football knowledge and it has nothing to do with sentiment but just common sense.

For people like yourself who think you can change 26 year in 6 months taking into account all the things that could go wrong have gone wrong with transfers, injuries etc etc, Ii just don't think it is even a sensible discussion and you are clouded by your initial opposition of the appointment.

7.) 08 Jan 2014
08 Jan 2014 21:12:24
SAF asked us all to be patient and get behind the new manager. I bet we all thought that's exactly what we would do yet here we are 6 months in calling for his head. SAF saw enough in him to believe he would succeed. He would know better than any of us.
The decision was made, now he deserves some time and backing with some money to show he is up to the job.
If you believe a manager should get 6 months and if not going great get the sack then that is your opinion but it's not one I share. It is rare that works unless silly money is available to throw at it aswel. I will get behind him while he is here, and believe he will turn it around. He should get 2 years IMO

8.) 08 Jan 2014
Danny,

Agree with pretty much all of that.

9.) 08 Jan 2014
I hate our owners but they're not stupid and no doubt will have a number of plans om place for the summer. I believe DM wikk only be involved in the iterations of thr plan that include CL football. Annoying thing is even if we qualify for the CL we'll have to play qualifiers and therefore won't know our budget until late on in the August window.

{Ed002's Note - Why would you hate the owners Ben. They havegenerated enormous sums of money for the club and trebled the value of their business. Would you like to drive them out and have them sell on some Far Eastern stock exchange? Get some nice insurance companies running the business purely for profit. Or do you just "hate" because you are amodern day football fan and it is hip to do so?}

10.) 08 Jan 2014
Ruud
There is a need to be decisive
GCU
If a thorough recruitment exercise had taken place and Moyes was the best candidate then I would have less of an argument. However there wasn't one and Moyes wasnt the best candidate. Actually no one I know thinks he was the right candidate, there is no basis to think he is other than SAF said so. To me SAF wanted to continue with stability for stability sake with a big all powerful manager and that is sentimentality. Non of the other big clubs do that so this alone puts us behind them in structure and the ability to change in future.

11.) 08 Jan 2014
Ed002 I hate the owners because they saddled the club with debt by mortgaging it to the hilt and have constantly hiked ticket prices for us to pay back their debt. Granted they are good opportunistic business men but I don't have to like them and that doesn't make me a "modern fan" or anything else you want to call me.
I appreciate you're "in the know" and many on here appreciate your input, but no offense you really remind me of Roy Keane. I fully expect to be censored if you don't like the RK comparison.

{Ed002's Note - It is their debt on their asset. Do you have even the slightest understanding of what will happen with institutional owners? Would you like a nice sugar-daddy owner like Thaksin Shinawatra? How about Sheikh Al Thani? Or Sulaiman Al Fahim? Ken Bates has money in his pockets and is wandering the streets looking for work - would he do if he could raise a nice little loan on the club?

Additionally, I have beautiful copper coloured curly hair and look nothing lke Roy Keane - and you should know that from the photographs.}

12.) 08 Jan 2014
Ed002 maybe over £600million lost forever servicing the debt is the reason there hated, or the fact they borrowed the money to buy the club, or the fact that us fans are forced into the automatic cup scheme every season with no say in it, don't pay for the cup games and you lose your season ticket .other than that there all great guys :)

{Ed002's Note - See my previous answer John. The point is that the options are really ugly.}

13.) 09 Jan 2014
RedMan

Many clubs go straight to an appointment after doing their discussions behind the scenes. Whilst some will have a beauty contest and interview a few, some will go with one candidate if internally the belief is he is the best and no need to look at other.

There is obviously something DM has that convinced them to go this way. BTW whilst everyone says SAF did this on his own, David Gill was still there and no way this would have happened if it did not have the backing of Gill and SBC and others.

To try and paint it like one man's doing is completely misrepresenting the facts and it is a collective group of wise men at the club who made the appointment including the owners.

Using common sense, the owners are not who and what they are for being passive and docile or some village id. ts that are yes men to anyone including SAF, it is their asset.

Real, Chelsea, City all did it and the whole thing start to finish was very much the same as us.