23 Feb 2015 05:56:45
I read so much negativity on here that I wonder how many, even of those who were around before we started winning, really recall that things don't happen instantly. In 1992 SAF, after a few years at the helm had not delivered the title and I remember well that it was then a poor start to the 92.93 season.

It is often forgotten in winter 92, when Cantona arrived we were a mess. We gifted the title to Leeds the previous season and the club was affected by it. We had basically forgotten how to score goals, eighth in the table, out of two cup competitions and had won only two of the previous 13 games, scoring only nine goals in that time. Our "big" summer signing, Dion Dublin, had broken his leg and SAF failed in attempts to sign Alan Shearer and David Hirst. SAF even considered Mick Harford and Lee Chapman, that's how bad it got.

We all know what happened next but at that time we were utterly gutted, at losing the title to Leeds of all teams (apart from Liverpool) but also at how poorly we were playing. It was another time when we had to show a little faith in SAF. I remember the Cantona signing as I heard about it on the way to the pub to meet friends, all United fans, all incredulous we had got him. Back then there was no social media to moan on, no tourists visiting Old Trafford camera in hand to do selfies whilst clutching bags of merchandise from the megastore. It was fans who were frustrated in the pubs and on the terraces.

On here I constantly read negativity, yet the Cantona arrival should tell us things can change and quickly. We won the league after he arrived, no we won't win it this year but look at the difference he made. That was after six years of SAF, yet people on here have their claws into LvG months after he has started to change the structure of our monolithic club based previously on Glasgow shipyard mentality which proved more successful at home than in Europe. People criticise the present manager yet his starting position was weakened by last seasons debacle (not his fault either) just as SAF's was in 92. Maybe we need a Cantona moment but whilst LVG isn't my preferred choice he deserves more time. The keyboard warriors who moan about our football being the b all and end all should remember 92 and that Rome wasn't built in a day.

{Ed001's Note - just be glad Cantona and Chapman fell out and that Howard Wilkinson chose Champman to stay or it would have been him you got that winter! For me LVG had his Cantona moment in the summer, but this time you ended up with Chapman (Di Maria) instead of Cantona (Ronaldo).}

1.) 23 Feb 2015
23 Feb 2015 07:36:14
Ed001

Yes, thank goodness for that, there were rumours back then as to the reasons for the Chapman and Cantona fall out! On Ronaldo I hear there are still ongoing concerns over his left knee and reading a few articles hear it still troubles him with a condition that needs to be managed not unlike Hargreaves, unless you have heard different? Knees are a big risk at that price if so.

{Ed001's Note - the rumours most people have heard were true. I don't know about Ronaldo, sorry, I have never asked, but it seems highly unlikely that a player would play every game with that knee condition. It would be physically impossible for them to walk for a number of days without a limp after each match, let alone run around the pitch.}

2.) 23 Feb 2015
23 Feb 2015 07:58:42
Redman
We where a very different club back then so its difficult to compare the 2.
Shearer and hirst would of been great signings but we ended up with cantona so you can't complain .
Expectations have now risen moyes wasnt given a chance, even before a ball had been kicked by some.
Lvg maybe won't be given more than a season or 2 but when you are paying players 300k a week and having the largest spend in world football that's going to happen .

This is the real world and we need to get of our high horse .
During the fergy era we laughed at clubs changing there managers every year, blowing millions trying to buy the title .

3.) 23 Feb 2015
23 Feb 2015 08:29:14
Ed001

If it is any help Marca two weeks ago said Cristiano Ronaldo still has problems with his left knee. He is struggling to regain the type of full fitness he needs to get back to his best out on the pitch. He is looking for a solution to his problem, doesn't feel comfortable.
One of the doctors he visited was Mikel Sánchez, the man who treated Luka Modric and Rafa Nadal when they suffered almost the same knee injury, tendonitis. (Portugal FA last June confirmed he was suffering with patella tendonitis)
Ronaldo travelled to Vitoria to hear his diagnosis and discuss possible therapies. It was not the first time that he had visited the same doctor. He also dropped into the Vithas San José clinic last season.
The type of stem cell and blood treatment suggested requires that he spend at least six weeks on the sidelines.
His knee hurts whenever he tries to sprint, which is why his famous runs have given way to him playing closer to or even inside the 18-yard box, more as an out-and-out centre-forward than a winger

Thought that may be of interest

{Ed001's Note - cheers mate, I hadn't read that.}

4.) 23 Feb 2015
23 Feb 2015 09:07:29
Redman. Good post and I fully agree as i lived through all that and way before that as well. Of course, life has changed significantly since then, the world moves a lot faster and people's patience is nearly non existent.
I'm pretty sure we will try very hard to make top4 this year, but I don't think we will make it unfortunately. As for next year, the club has to invest heavily in the right players and get rid of a lot of the average ones I mentioned in a recent post.
We have to address our midfield and centre back and right back issues as everything else will improve once we have a solid back and a midfield that creates chances.
I also think lvg needs to start getting the players who can up the tempo significantly as at present, we're seriously lacking in that area.

5.) 23 Feb 2015
23 Feb 2015 09:14:59
Red Man,

I am not posting so much at the moment but still reading, and that post pretty much sums up where I am at so I felt I should reply, some people don't even realise it but they sound so spoil.

Your first two paragraphs put things into perspective a lot and hopefully people will read them and remember / realise things have not always been the way people like to think.

{Ed001's Note - how does it put things into perspective? Ferguson had to build from nothing. LVG (and Moyes before him) took over a club with immense resources and have spent huge sums. It is nothing like the same situations or even similar at all. People are harking back to a completely different age desperately searching for anything to suit their twisted viewpoints.}

6.) 23 Feb 2015
23 Feb 2015 10:36:27
I never said anything about it being exactly the same situation, it clearly isn't, the perspective I am getting at is that we have not always been challenging for league titles and winning things and that actually in a couple of years there is a good chance we will be again so at the moment we might just need to suck it up and enjoy the battle for champions league.

My 'twisted viewpoint' is my opinion by the way, which I thought it was ok to have.

{Ed001's Note - you quite clearly compared two situations that are completely different and irrelevant to each other. There is no perspective to be gained by looking at situations that have so little in common. Do United have a group of players with drink problems causing problems for the new manager? Do United have a culture of years of failure to overcome? It is not the same or even close to being the same. The problem is it is being treated as a similar one, the club have tried to treat it the same way and such a drastic overhaul was not needed. It is exactly the same mistake Liverpool made when Souness took over. They panicked and rebooted the whole club, United are doing the same thing when it only needed a facelift.}

7.) 23 Feb 2015
23 Feb 2015 10:41:00
If by negative, you meant pointing out various mistakes that LVG has been making, whilst still hoping he comes good for the good of the club. then I'm as guilty as anyone on here.

I just don't think, because you have chosen to stand by this particular manager, that you're in a position to preach to others about how they should be behaving as fans.

I really don't want to go back over old ground Red Man, and I don't want to get into a silly argument. Like you keep saying, Moyes is long gone and his management spell here was unsuccessful, so this isn't a yearning for a manager who I thought deserved to be considered for the job as the top British manager around at the time, but wasn't my preferred choice.

I just think it's a bit rich to be calling posters up on their so-called negativity, when you spent all last season doing the exact same thing.

Most posters on here, from what I can see, do not want to get rid of our manager before a season has finished. One or two, maybe, but certainly not 'a lot of negativity'. There are questions being asked though, because we do expect better from a manager who has no lack of self-belief in his philosophy and management skills. Maybe if he didn't keep harping on about how clever he is, then people would be a little more understanding of his mistakes.

8.) 23 Feb 2015
23 Feb 2015 11:07:14
Ed001

I totally agree with you. The fact that they bring up 1992 is enough of a ludicrous start to their argument.The too club back then and now are not even comparable.

Things have changed boys and if you guys want to sit around the fire and tell old time war stories be my guest but absolutely no relevance to what we are witnessing today.

I don't know why you just can't see the obvious, we will miss Europe and he will be sacked maybe even before the season ends. He is an Ego maniac that is way beyond his sell by date and will never build us rome. Getting outsmarted by average teams with decent players and managers who are not dinosaurs. Worst of it he is blind and can't see a flaw in what he is doing and keeps doing it over and over.

BTW the rest of us also remember as far back as in 1982 and you guys are not the only ones who have followed the club and its history but it has nothing to do win this case of an under performing completely confused manager.

Finally GDS

I said this before that all this nonsense about 3rd and one defeat is a mirage and now we are hanging on for dear life to 4th, being the most out of form team from the pack chasing 3rd and 4th and coming into a brutal stretch of games against better teams in the league. The writing is on the wall but i guess for the optimist it ends when mathematically we are out of it.

9.) 23 Feb 2015
23 Feb 2015 11:40:50
its just the intensity of training and mileage he has clocked on that body which is catching up to him.

all he can do is alter his game, to accomodate this eventual toll.

i remember reading about tim duncan suffering from plantar facilitis and tendonitis, he had to adapt his game, reduce his minutes and pace himself during the regular season to save his body for the playoffs.

obviously in football everygame is a playoff so ronaldo does not have such luxury. but he has to just admit to himself that he can no longer be the main guy and adapt his game, or play a pure no 9 role and a 10 role. as a winger he will only heighten the injury further.

also as you grow older as everyone knows, it takes longer to heal and recover.

10.) 23 Feb 2015
23 Feb 2015 11:45:21
Ed001,

I think you misunderstood totally the point I was making, I have not mentioned anything to do with the difference between the job Fergie had to do and the job LVG had to do, the point I was making could have just as easily have been Tommy Doherty, in other words we have been crap before and the world didn't end, the fans sucked it up and we got back to being dominant eventually. I wasn't being specific to era's as I understand things have changed a lot now, but we as fans are still just fans, I am the same person I was back when we weren't very good, even if the club and game has changed.

I appreciate a lot of fans are fans because we are good, they see Manchester United winning things and that is the team they support, it is natural and why there are so many Liverpool and United fans across the country, and I have no problem with it, I understand this will always happen and I certainly appreciate what these fans give to the club commercially and financially. It is the reason we see a lot more City fans knocking about in Manchester these days. I just think some fans come across as spoilt, and not surprising really given the success we have come to expect over the last 20 years.

{Ed001's Note - ok mate, got you now.}

11.) 23 Feb 2015
23 Feb 2015 12:45:44
Gds
R you trying to say if you want the club to do well you are a glory hunter?

Every sportsman every sports team sets themselves a goal, a level to reach united should be no different .
You strive to be the best you can the moment you stop is the beginning of the end.

You talk about negativity but identifying your weakness and areas of improvement is how you improve.

Some see 4th as all important but i would take 5th as long as we are improving .

Just out of interest where all the fans shouting for moyes to be sacked after only a few months being spoilt.
After we missed top 4 for the first time in 20 year

12.) 23 Feb 2015
23 Feb 2015 12:34:15
Totally agree Ed, United Real Barca Bayern this is all that counts. We are the 2nd biggest club in the world financially and our manager and players should reflect that. Big mentality changes needed at the club. LVG wasn't the right man has never looked it and wasted 150m, that doesn't include falling out with folk and playing boring football. One year or not he wouldn't be at any of the above clubs next season and outside the dutch 2nd division they'll be nobody looking to take him off us.

13.) 23 Feb 2015
23 Feb 2015 13:14:16
At the end of the day If you are settling for a 'rebuilding job' or a 'long term plan' you do not go out and spend £200million in less than a year.

Does an astute businessman invest some major capital into a business to watch it fall flat on its face? Does a car enthusiast buy a Ferrari and expect it to run like a fiesta?

GDS - I think I see the point your trying to put across but like ED001 I was initially seeing it another way. You have to be more clear on the point your putting forward.

14.) 23 Feb 2015
23 Feb 2015 13:28:47
I often wonder if people on this site want Manchester United to go without winning for a few years so they can claim they're not glory hunters. There is a huge difference between saying that you only support the club because they're successful and wanting the club to be as successful as it can be. Any supporter who honestly thinks that the club shouldn't be doing everything in its power to get back to winning trophies is doing the whole supporter thing wrong.

At the moment we see a club with a distinct lack of identify and clear vision for the future. Some people think we should give van Gaal time to implement his vision, while others are worried that van Gaal is actually dragging us further away from success. As Ed001 correctly points out, this is nothing like when Fergie took over: it isn't a perennial looser building a new club from the ground up. It has been two successive managers taking over a top class club, albeit in need of investment in new players, and given substantial resources to do it.

Let's just cut the nonsense and the get behind the team if you're a real supporter. The vast majority of people here want the club to be successful, and questioning the direction the club is being taken under van Gaal doesn't make someone less of a supporter. All it means is that they are unsure that van Gaal deserves to keep getting massive investments to rebuild the squad when the team is yet to show any real signs that his methods are working.

15.) 23 Feb 2015
23 Feb 2015 14:13:17
StevieK

I stood by SAF not just this particular manager so it was not rich as you put it to highlight the last managers totally inadequate experience and resulting always likely failure

GCU

There is a reason why history is studied, it is so we can learn to avoid mistakes and repeat successes. I pointed out that momentum was lost in 92 with the club devastated by what happened the previous season, like it was last season and equally made the point it can turn around quickly as it did back then. You refer to LvG as an ego maniac, yet just what did you think SAF was?

16.) 23 Feb 2015
23 Feb 2015 14:16:38
jred,

No pal, I would never say anybody is a glory hunter, again that really wasn't what I was saying. Also, definitely not getting into the Moyes thing again.

JMB, thanks for the advice.

Of course everybody wants the team to do well, we want the club to dominate again but it is not necessarily a quick process, this season needs to be an improvement on the last, which it is so far, and I have no doubt that in a couple of years we will be challenging again, it just needs a little patience.

17.) 23 Feb 2015
23 Feb 2015 15:01:42
Redmam
So should people only get behind the managers you rate?

91/92 was a kick in the teeth but it was imo our best season for 25 years there was no mistake the club was moving in the right direction, which was proved by the next 20 years.

Gds
Yer best avoid that one would raise a few questions

18.) 23 Feb 2015
23 Feb 2015 15:35:43
@Red Man

Would just like to highlight some KEY differences between Sir Alex and LVG.

1. Sir Alex was an excellent man manager and consistently got the best out of his players. Very rarely would you see him come out in the press and throw his players under the bus.

LVG is quite the opposite. Has criticized players in the media.

2. Sir Alex always wanted to attack the opposition, slow possession football was never his style. The style of play was fearless and inspired confidence.

3. He didn't try to get everything his way and completely change things, he did it gradually and was a master of rebuilding

4. He wasn't stubborn on learning and changing and improving his methods with time. He always brought on the right coaches and assistant managers over his time. Mclaren, Queroz, Muelensteen and examples.

5. Although you have highlighted how much Sir Alex spent during his initial years, it still isn't close to the kind of buying LVG has done with absolutely no improvement on the football of last season.

6. Sir Alex was always on the touchline trying to motivate and instruct the players. LVG on the other hand let's them fall and make mistakes, there is zero game management.

But most importantly, Sir Alex took over a club which had forgotten how to win the league and came in an era where Liverpool dominated and the club had a drinking culture. He had to revamp the youth system and set new structures in place. He had a vision.

LVg on the other hand has taken over a club which won the league just two years ago, has had world class professional talent at his disposal from day 1 and has set structures at the club to work with and top facilities. He is failing to fulfil the very basic we should be expecting from him, a team which creates quite a few goalscoring opportunities every game.

19.) 23 Feb 2015
23 Feb 2015 15:49:46
@jred

I find myself agreeing with your general opinion of Van Gaal. To me, what he has done at his previous clubs is irrelevant once he is in the hot seat and also, the Manchester United job is completely different to the ones he has done before.

All I have seen from the manager this season is :-
1. Tactical blunders.
2. No consistent vision, formation or idea of first 11.
3. Over emphasis on possession and blunting of attackers with a slow and pedestrian style of play.
4. Playing players out of position.
5. No balance in the team.
6. Throwing players under the bus in the media instead of protecting them. (Just look at the lengths to which Jose is going to protect his players. That gains you respect in the dressing room.)
7. An inability to make the big and right decisions like dropping RVP.
8. Relying on hopeful long balls to Fellaini.
9. Poor game management and not being on the touchline to motivate the players.
10. A stubborn attitude and refusing to adapt and change.

If things don't improve in the next few months, he needs to go in the summer, even if we finish 4th.

20.) 23 Feb 2015
23 Feb 2015 15:59:51
I can tell you that at the beginning of the 92.93 season we were far from sure where we were going after what happened the previous season. It was the Cantona moment that changed things.
Said it many times I am not an Lvg fan and don't ask people to get behind him but am suggesting a little patience as things could click. I am prepared to look at what his plans are, whether his strategy has convinced the board. We shall see.

21.) 23 Feb 2015
23 Feb 2015 16:55:06
Redfaith
As you point out there is an awful lot that concerns me at the moment about lvg .
My biggest concern is i see little or no improvement i'm far from convinced that the answer is to spend more money .

22.) 23 Feb 2015
23 Feb 2015 17:20:15
The problem, jred, is that more money does need to be spent. Despite spending close to £250m in two seasons, we still look a long way off being genuine title challengers, and it's obvious that we are lacking in a few key areas. The question now facing the board is whether they should give van Gaal another £100m plus this summer when he has limited improvement with the money he spent last summer. The flip side is bringing in a new manager would potentially mean another idea of what the rebuild needs.

23.) 23 Feb 2015
23 Feb 2015 17:54:19
Danny
It difficult to say how good or bad this squad is imo .
At the moment it looks like we need 5 or 6 players but that could change if ADM, rooney mata herrera shaw and a few others found some form or are played in there correct position .
And the manager sorted formations and tactics out.

Im also not sure how much say the manager has in transfers .

People seem to think if we sign x, y or z lvg will start playing a different brand of football, i'm not so sure.
What difference has the 150 mill made .

Infact what difference did injuries make, do we look any better with a fully fit squad compared to when we had several star players out

24.) 23 Feb 2015
23 Feb 2015 19:26:08
REDFAITH

There are key differences between SAF and LvG, we are going to have to live with a different direction now and the club should have figured that before setting out on one of the biggest transitions in football history yet they blew it, now some are frustrated because LvG hasn't fixed it in 6 months.

On some of your points

1. "Sir Alex was an excellent man manager and consistently got the best out of his players." I am halfway through Roy Keanes book and in it he described how SAF would not speak to him for weeks if SAF didn't like what he did. That isn't good man management for me. SAF was a master motivator but Clough was the man manager. SAF got the maximum out of players because they respected and feared him as a leader not a man manager.

"LVG is quite the opposite. Has criticized players in the media"
I am fed up with the cosy cosseted footballers being protected after matches by managers who would say anything to protect them. SAF attacked referees to hide poor performances but it's about time someone placed the blame where it should be, the players themselves. I am also sure you remember how SAF was interviewed on TV after winning a cup with Aberdeen saying his players were unacceptable.

2. "Sir Alex always wanted to attack the opposition, slow possession football was never his style. The style of play was fearless and inspired confidence" Agree to an extent, SAF had momentum and fear gained over years of dominance, then destroyed by the initial transition. However SAF swashbuckling style didn't achieve anywhere near as much as we should have done in Europe. We got found out so many times but he never developed, it is time we did.

3. "He didn't try to get everything his way and completely change things, he did it gradually and was a master of rebuilding" You kidding ? He came in and dealt with the drink culture as he needed to do, he was ruthless throughout. It was because he got everything his way that he succeeded but only with very limited success in Europe. He had only one way of dealing with things and it gave us a limited path. We got destroyed by Barca and SAF said he knew what was wrong and would put it right, then we got stuffed again because he didn't learn. In 95 he completely changed things by correctly blooding the kids that wasn't gradual.

4. "He wasn't stubborn on learning and changing and improving his methods with time. He always brought on the right coaches and assistant managers over his time. Mclaren, Queroz, Muelensteen and examples" SAF had good coaches but you really think he wasn't stubborn? His actions over the racehorse were stubborn and affected the club., again I refer to the Barca example above and his stubbornness meant we could never change or improve, .

5. "Although you have highlighted how much Sir Alex spent during his initial years, it still isn't close to the kind of buying LVG has done with absolutely no improvement on the football of last season." At the time SAF spent well without any notable improvement, I remember significant pain when we lost 5.1 to City in 1989 after three years of SAF.

6. "Sir Alex was always on the touchline trying to motivate and instruct the players. LVG on the other hand let's them fall and make mistakes, there is zero game management." Can't disagree, I do think LvG has the wrong number two who he doesn't seem to communicate with, it may well have been forced on him. One thing is often missed and that was against Madrid in the CL when Nani was sent off. SAF was waving his arms at referee, linesman whilst Mourinho was making a substitution and changing tactics, which then saw them score. Waving arms on the line is not always helpful but I agree I would like to see more from LvG there.

"But most importantly, Sir Alex took over a club which had forgotten how to win the league and came in an era where Liverpool dominated and the club had a drinking culture. He had to revamp the youth system and set new structures in place. He had a vision.LVg on the other hand has taken over a club which won the league just two years ago, has had world class professional talent at his disposal from day 1 and has set structures at the club to work with and top facilities. He is failing to fulfil the very basic we should be expecting from him, a team which creates quite a few goalscoring opportunities every game."
The club made a mess of the transition and we are paying a heavy price. Two years ago the football was poor so SAF was getting them to win without the entertainment. Now after a few months LvG hasn't turned around a ship that not only had problems when SAF was there then employed the wrong manager destroying all confidence and LvG has had more to deal with than people think. We had a culture that left us wide open in Europe so for me we needed to change genetically. I think a lot will depend on what LvGs strategic plan is and whether the board buy in. We will find out more in summer.

25.) 23 Feb 2015
23 Feb 2015 20:00:45
@Red Man

1. Keane's revelations actually highlight the man management. Sir Alex got the best out of Keane for many years. Its only after the fallout is he coming out with these things. I don't expect the manager to be happy go lucky with the players and to always be protective. But LVG simply doesn't seem to know what he is doing.

2. Sir Alex's tactics did cost us in Europe in the 90s. But it was put right when Queroz came on board. We were unlucky against Leverkusen and against Bayern Munich. Sir Alex post 2006 was excellent tactically in Europe. You kind of proved my point, he learnt and adapted. The Barcelona side that beat us twice in the final is perhaps the greatest side ever to have played. We got to the final thrice in 4 years mate and we played on the counter in all 4 seasons. The tactics were excellent post 2006 in Europe.

Also LVG seems to be playing a pointless possession tactic. Bayern, Barca etc. move the ball far quicker in their style of possession football and don't resort to hoof the ball up to Fellaini tactics. It really is quite embarrassing to watch a United side play that way.

3. The club has indeed made a mess of the transition, by appointing the wrong manager not once, but twice. You only need to look at the quality we have in the squad this season and then watch us play to know that LVG has failed.

4. I don't think we should sack him now, it would achieve nothing. But we need to review it towards the end of the season and see if we can get Ancelotti or Klopp.

26.) 23 Feb 2015
23 Feb 2015 20:05:50
Of course the biggest difference is that fergy was a top manager lvg has been a decent manager altough that was 20 odd year ago .

27.) 23 Feb 2015
23 Feb 2015 21:12:32
Redman

Alex ferguson was an ego maniac that backed it up and the start of his managerial career and the circumstances are not even comparable to LVG.

Roy Keane is so twisted I would not get to hung up on what he has to say. At the end of the day he walked out on his national team like a spoilt brat and not many professional athletes in any sport do that and has zero credibility no matter how good a footballer he was at his peak.

You guys need to make up your mind because according to you and some others the last manager took over a good team and under-perfomed because he was not qualified because of his CV, this manager has taken over the same team and spent a 150 million but for some reason you think he is doing ok.

BTW same time last year i believe we had 3 points less. On another note the best guy I have hired in the last 20 years had the most average CV and believe me i have had my worst disappointments with guys who's cv's said otherwise and this CV thing is another red herring and many a managers with good CV's have failed in new roles.


Redfaith

Great post and spot on. I am speechless that people can even compare the 2. SAF was the greatest manager in the game period.

Mourinho has a chance but his CV still lacks what Fergie has done.

28.) 24 Feb 2015
24 Feb 2015 05:13:47
REDFAITH

You said LvG doesn't seem to know what he is doing, well I think he will have had to present his ideas to the board, how he envisions the club style and how it should be structured. It will likely be a medium term plan. Without knowing what that looks like I don't think we can say that. Playing rubbish football is not exclusive to LvG at OT.

I don't think you should confuse man management with leadership. SAF was a great leader who inspired and cajoled being utterly ruthless, that didn't make him a great man manager

We may have played a great Barcelona side, but the second time SAFs tactics were naive.

I agree the club made a mess of the transition, by appointing a very wrong manager to begin with and one in LvG I didn't think was right. However I don't think we can say LvG has failed, not yet and we don't know the vision he is sharing with the board.

I don't think we should sack him now, and have said we need to review it towards the end of the season, Ancelotti or Klopp would be interesting.

29.) 24 Feb 2015
24 Feb 2015 05:24:21
GCU

You need to get over the previous manager. He took over a team full of confidence with momentum that all teams feared which he then destroyed, he turned us into a team looking over our shoulders. LvG did not take over the same team because of the mess made.

You also need to stop comparing points between them. We won the league with a wide variety of points totals and it didn't always need 90 points to win it, it is where you finish in the league that matters.