08 Nov 2020 10:04:14
Red Man

I enjoy debating with you because you justify your points, I don't always agree with them but they are always thought through, not just 'he's crap', or 'sell him.

I think we have a very good first 11 and decent squad depth now, but the lack of consistency is frightening and ultimately that's down the the Manager. It wouldn't surprise me to see Woody pull the trigger during the break, I think he makes it up as he goes along.

1.) 08 Nov 2020
08 Nov 2020 10:54:10
Agree on the squad AJH, with the way the league is fairly wide open this year, any side that strings together a run of 15 games can find themselves at the top. Hence why I think Ole is out of his depth, as he has the best United squad since sir Alex.

I don’t see Woodward pulling the trigger now. He’s a populist, he will know that if he does it after we are on a high from a victory, it will make him look bad and he will be the target. The perfect time was after Basaksehir, I expect him to wait till our next poor defeat.

2.) 08 Nov 2020
08 Nov 2020 11:08:56
Hi AJH

Thank you. I think we have a good rather than very good first 11, that perhaps lacks width and the ability to cross a ball plus a centre forward to be on the end of it. We also lack a partnership at centre half and I am not convinced by our defensive midfield situation. The squad has a better depth to it, judging by the sub bench, plus I am very interested to see how the kids we bought this summer come through.

Now in terms of the first team, inconsistency is frustrating, I kept saying it will be a rollercoaster ride. The first team whether it be good or very good, it is more than good enough to be more consistent and higher up the league than it has been. Why are we inconsistent, yes the players are there to be more consistent therefore you have to look at the manager. He knows how to set up where teams come at us away from home particularly but not when they don’t, . Ole rarely makes major changes in games, I would surmise, all the coaches and he agree on the plan pre game, so when it doesn’t work, his decision making, his leadership isn’t there to immediately make a decision. His substitutions seem to lack conviction, come too late or in the case recently when we needed a goal he brought on a like for like midfielder. I also think he tends to think not to lose, cautious, keep things tight, rather than go for it. The players like the man but aren’t convinced by him the coach, therefore if the set up doesn’t sound right the performance level drops and we see it, like on Wednesday.

The key element to me is that we are living game to game, we win, everything is ok, we lose its crisis and ultimately that is because we are not convinced by Ole. If we carry on, the situation will carry on, we will have good runs, bad runs, good results awful results. It isn’t good enough and we know it, I suspect Woodward knows it but it keeps building to the sacking crescendo then a win comes. How many times must it happen before it is too much?

I think most now know Ole isn’t good enough but we all like him, probably the same as Woodward. He should see everything I said above and make a reasoned calculating decision but we have seen little of that. Poch? Not sure but if the club have options of a better manager and they are even thinking of a better manager, that Poch or anyone else is better, then there is no reason to delay the decision to change.

3.) 08 Nov 2020
08 Nov 2020 11:11:10
But Park he sacked LvG the next day after he lifted the FA cup. So my guess is you never know with Woodward.

4.) 08 Nov 2020
08 Nov 2020 11:19:07
I agree Red man we have a good squad rather than a very good squad. We need 1 if not 2 proper centre half’s a midfielder either Saul or a Veratti type a right winger and a proper centre forward. Pogba needs to be shipped out and the deadwood gone. Sounds so easy when you put it like that. I know it’s never going to happen with the buffoons who run the club.

5.) 08 Nov 2020
08 Nov 2020 12:16:51
So many experts,

{Ed047's Note - 🤦‍♂️

6.) 08 Nov 2020
08 Nov 2020 12:28:03
Sorry do many experts snd 47😂.

7.) 08 Nov 2020
08 Nov 2020 12:39:37
I kind of agree that this is the best squad we have had on paper since Sir Alex.

However, when looking at the players we have how many are at their peak?

Players can put in world class performances at any age, Messi was just as capable of a moment or even a world class performance at 17/ 18 as he was at 27/ 28. However, the reason players peak between 26-30 is this is when they have the ability, the physical fitness and the in game understanding which all combines to them being able to perform consistently every week.

It's not a case of one great performance then two average ones and a poor one. But becomes three world class performances and one average one.

It's not coincidence that Liverpool had a phenomenal season last year when they had VVD, Henderson, Gini, Salah, Mane and Firmino all 28/ 29, along with players like Alisson and Robertson also 25/ 26, just hitting their peak. The only players to play most weeks under the age of 24 were TAA and Gomez.

They rarely has a player on the pitch who's lack of experience would cost them a goal. While they the bulk of their players in their peaks putting in great performances every week.

So who do we have who is in those peak years between 26-30? DDG, Maguire, Lindelof, Fred, Bruno and Pogba. Of those five who is actually good enough?

We have so many players who are either young and inconsistent (Henderson, AWB, Shaw, Williams, Tuanzebe, Donny, McTominay, Rashford, Martial and Greenwood), while we also have a few who are past their best (Mata, Matic and Cavani) but offer some experience.

It's no coincidence that Bruno at 26 and one of the few genuine top talents has come in and been our best performer most weeks.

We are inconsistent at least in a large part because we have young players who haven't yet hit their peak and can perform every week consistently.

8.) 08 Nov 2020
08 Nov 2020 13:05:31
People jump about like a rabbit, judging on a game by game basis.
We beat rb things are great get beat by arsenal its the end of the world?
Redman says above
"The same as Woodward. He should see everything I said above and make a reasoned calculating decision"
Why in gods name would anyone think they are in a better position and more informed than the people who actually run the club
They shoukd see what I see? Come on have a word .
Very few on here if any have any idea what is actually going on at the club

The entrenched views as pointed out below are getting deeper people just dress the post up to sound different while making the same point .

Its no different to last season when people where talking about relegation, the same people insisted we would never make top 4 which had to be the target. How did that turn out?
Its certainly been an inconsistent start to the season by us and a couple of other teams . Southampton are top it was villa the other week . We are 7 league games into the season really early but as always the dramatics on here .
The site means a lot to a few people and I get that, it sucked me in a few year back, the daughter was unwell . I spent a lot of time in hospitals or looking after her at home and to be honest the site was a bit of a life line . Almost a way of staying in touch with the outside world. But you really need to have a bit of perspective.

9.) 08 Nov 2020
08 Nov 2020 13:52:01
No jred, others are just random posters putting their opinions. There's only one expert here. You know the one who comes out only after a victory and says - "may be things aren't as bad as some want you to believe". 😁😁😁😁😁

Stevie, your dialogue on my post now 😂😂.

10.) 08 Nov 2020
08 Nov 2020 14:24:03
Oh Jred how I’ve missed you putting everyone down. I forgot that if anyone had a different opinion, or said anything against Ole, you took particular exception. Took time off the site because it wasn’t much fun at the time, nice to see things haven’t really changed. Hope you’re well mate 😂.

11.) 08 Nov 2020
08 Nov 2020 15:24:42
Agree with that jred

Everyone is entrenched. There is no room to let the coaches, team grow develop. Minds are made up and now it is just a count down to when everyone gets to say I told you so.

The media love to sell a tale of woe about man utd. The fans lap it up.

We are in a cycle and need to build something. If anyone honestly sees no improvement in this team and squad from a couple of years ago then they are not going to be enjoying football too much for the next few years.

We will be inconsistent, but there is something there.

12.) 08 Nov 2020
08 Nov 2020 15:36:10
Are we playing our matches at the Carrington training ground Dodgy where we are training coaches on how to be coaches? Or are we Cardiff?

13.) 08 Nov 2020
08 Nov 2020 17:38:23
So I am now “entrenched” because I don’t think the manager has what it takes, I don’t toe the line in support of Ole. But those who think he is ok are not entrenched, no doubt they are the enlightened ones. The age of the team is now the issue, causing us to get stuffed 6-1 at home by Spurs, embarrassed by Palace, nothing to do with the manager. Jred says it’s only 7 games yet that is basically a fifth of the season.

We are utterly inconsistent but it’s ok because it’s all coming together. We should all be grateful as we made top four last season.

People spend all summer saying Woodward doesn’t know what he is doing, then suddenly Jred tells us we don’t know what is going on at the club, which is it? Or is it ok if the argument supports Ole.

I forgot we won, therefore everything is ok.

{Ed047's Note - please tell me you don’t listen to a word jred says?

14.) 08 Nov 2020
08 Nov 2020 18:01:52
I think the point is that none of us have ever been close to managing or coaching a professional football team. Yet because we watch the game, we think we're knowledgeable on how to do the job. Same on social media with C.V. Everyone's an expert, apart from the actual experts. We can have opinions, but that's all they are. Nobody on here knows what the job entails, so to dismiss the current incumbent as a PE teacher is just silly.

15.) 08 Nov 2020
08 Nov 2020 18:04:27
Hi Ed47

Ha, No I smile when he replies, read it a couple times trying to decipher it, shake my head, go and get a glass of red wine.

{Ed047's Note - 🤣🤣 sounds like a plan red!

16.) 08 Nov 2020
08 Nov 2020 18:46:20
I rarely come out of the woodwork with a comment but totally agree jred 👍🏻 Also Dodgy n Noucamp, bang on 👌🏻.

17.) 09 Nov 2020
09 Nov 2020 08:55:59
Stevie, i agree with you on the fact that most if not all of us are keyboard warriors and have no or very little experience in football team management per se. However, there is one thing that 99% on here would be able to do whether or not they are qualified or not. That is MOTIVATION. Everyone can see that the players are not motivated enough in as Betty says "Run of the mill" games. Motivating a player to go out and fight for the jersey, the club, his team requires no degree no qualification, that is just something you have as a person.

Hand on heart, is Ole capable of doing that week in week out? Players turn up on the days when there are big games, just showing what they are actually capable of, but why aren't they doing it consistently. They lack that motivation to go an play against a midtable team. Ole has failed big time there.