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19 Jan 2021 13:41:29
Ed002, I'm hearing quite a lot of chatter about United holding an interest in the young Argentine defender Facundo Medina currently of RC Lens.

With rumours of even a possible move in January for him. Personally I find that unlikely as he only moved to France from South America last July.

Do you know if United hold an interest in him, and what the view of him is in France. He's supposedly caught the eye of several well thought of French pundits and coaches.

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of Manchester United making an approach but ironically there is very significant interest from a number of clubs in his centre back partner, Loic Bade.}


1.) 19 Jan 2021 14:37:24
Ed002
Any truth to the rumours linking us to Robin Le Normand of Real Sociedad? Or is it just the random names linked for click bait purpose? Also is he any good? Not seen much him play.

Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - Robin Le Normand (CB) I am not aware of any approach to Real Sociedad by Manchester United but told another interested side that he was not for sale meaning that a club would need to agree to his buy out clause to effectively make an offer. But they do money and want to keep their "prized assets" so may be open to a good offer.}


2.) 20 Jan 2021 11:27:50
Is sign him just for the name alone. Bobby the Norman!


 

 

20 Dec 2020 13:24:21
Ed002, do you know if Manchester United have a serious interest in 19 year old Ecuadorian Moises Caicedo who has been linked to United in the past couple of days.

From what I've read without watching him he sounds like a promising, talented young CDM/ CM. But I would doubt he would be coming to United to be first choice anytime soon.

{Ed002's Note - My understanding is that he impressed when Manchester United were following up on looking at another player who they had first seen in the Real Sociedad reserves. There has been interest in Caicedo from a couple of other sides.}


1.) 21 Dec 2020 11:05:20
I can see him going straight into the first team squad, he's a full international, he's 19 so he's old enough. From his highlights package which is quite lengthy for someone that's not played for the last 6 months he looks a beast at tackling and breaking up play, chips in with a couple of goals. I think he's an ideal replacement for Matic over time, get used to the Premier League and get him ready for next season.


2.) 21 Dec 2020 12:25:08
Kidder, Pellistri looked the business in South America and is a similar age and has a similar amount of first team experience.

It's a huge step up in level of competition to the EPL, while they are young lads moving halfway around the world to a very different culture.

There will be a period of adjustment and I wouldn't expect him to be thrown into the first team immediately.


3.) 22 Dec 2020 20:01:28
A lot of talk in Ecuador (social media so pinch of salt lads) that something has been agreed.


 

 

13 Nov 2020 17:14:16
I've heard a rumour that United and Juventus have/ are exploring the idea of a Pogba/ Dybala swap either in January or next summer.

Dybala's wage demands are beyond what Juventus are prepared/ able to pay him and the stalemate over a possible new deal means they will have to sell by next summer at the latest to avoid possibly losing him on a free in 2022.

While Pogba's position at United has been clear for a long time. He wants to leave, but the club have blocked a move as they would need to sell for less than they paid and they don't want to lose face. However, the club have now got themselves in the stupid position of not being able to sell him due to the activation on the one year extension and they cannot "profitieer" from that extension. Meaning they keep an unhappy player for the next 18 months then lose him for nothing, they offer him a new massive deal and pay a player far more than he's worth and throw the wage structure into disarray, or they find a solution where he leaves and the club save face.

So, I was wondering is a Pogba/ Dybala swap even possible?


1.) 13 Nov 2020 17:39:25
Shappy they can sell him next summer or in Jan.


2.) 13 Nov 2020 17:58:53
Dybala is a good player for sure but plays mainly as a second striker. Is that the position we really need to reinforce the most? Feels like we'd go for him due to convenience rather than extensively scouted him etc and he be right for the team. Mishandling Pogba will lose us some serious cash ultimately. If we were going to swap Pogba for anyone at Juventus though I'd be targeting Matthijs de Ligt. At least then that's moving on a known problem for a potential solution (to our CB issue) .


3.) 13 Nov 2020 19:06:14
We already have too many Ams in Vdb, Bruno and Pogba why would we swap Pogba for Dybala. It would be like the dumbest thing to do.


4.) 14 Nov 2020 07:30:07
I think dybala could suit an interchanging front 3 system but yeah I would worry about him wanting to play the Bruno role. In an ideal world we’d just sell pogba, we have no use for him. He cannot play in a team with Bruno in my eyes as they occupy the same spaces and Bruno is much more reliable and had shown more in less than a year than pogba has since he returned. For me I would sell him and bring in a quality DM. Ideal would be Saul as he can play the deeper role but I think if we were to go down the purely defensive minded midfielder we couldn’t go wrong with Zakaria. Saying that Partey certainly looks the real deal atm.


5.) 14 Nov 2020 07:41:57
He isn't AM Singh, he is, as Halesini said, a second striker. It could mean a change of formation, and playing with two forwards.


6.) 14 Nov 2020 13:44:26
Always thought he’d be a great option at RF.


7.) 14 Nov 2020 14:10:14
Ken, my understanding is that as United triggered the one year extension in Pogba's contact (which would have been up next summer 2021) to last until 2022. That means any money from any sale would go to Pogba unless some sort of agreement can be reached between United and Pogba to circumvent the "profiteering" regulations.
i. e. the club can't activate the one year extension just to make money from his sale.

While Dybala wouldn't be my first choice option, I could see him working well in a two man front line if the management decided to go with a 41212 or 3512 shape full time with the squad.

I've heard that it is an option both club's are exploring to save face/ get a player they want/ avoid losing key players for free.

Personally I'd have sold Pogba last summer, and brought in Bruno a few months earlier.

Ideally I think we need a left sided CB partner for Maguire (as we are unlikely to drop a 80m player who is the club captain) . Getting a left sided CB means Maguire can be pushed over to the right hand side and get a little more protection from AWB.

A CDM to replace Matic long term, who struggles to play 2 games a week over a whole season. I really like McTominay, but I don't think he is a natural holding player. He best attribute is his running power and ability to move box to box, neither of which is used as a holding midfielder. While his passing range is limited, especially his long range passing accuracy, and his defensive reading of the game is average. Although he is strong in defensive duels. While Fred I'm not sure what his best role is. He isn't great creatively, his passing and first touch are erratic, he is terrible in the holding role. He is at his best as an annoying buzzing player, getting in the face of the opposition and winning the ball back then playing short, simple passes. However, I feel to really get the best out of him you would need BOTH a deeplying playmaker AND a No.10. either way, we seriously lack a natural holding CDM to cover/ replace Matic.

Then obviously we need a RW, it was meant to be Sancho. Whether that ship has sailed remains to be seen. Yet next summer we will likely have to compete with at least one of Liverpool, Chelsea, City, PSG, Real Madrid or even Barcelona for his signature. Meaning that he will likely cost more than what we weren't willing to pay this summer.


8.) 14 Nov 2020 16:32:08
People keep saying that, but is that really the case Shappy? Sancho wants to go to England, which would leave 4 teams in the race. Chelsea already has a lot of atackers, and if he choose Liverpool, he would be 2nd choice. He won't go back to City. PSG might be an option, but I think that's highly unlikely. Real has different targets in Mbappe, Haaland and the player from Ren (forgot his name) . Barcelona has no money, unless they sell some of their expensive players. Back to Liverpool, as I think they could be an option, if Salah leaves.


9.) 14 Nov 2020 17:18:28
Trololo, Salah might leave Liverpool next summer so Sancho could be the replacement.
City might have a new manager and could look for a big name signing for the manager and could look to Sancho.
PSG might lose either Mbappe or Neymar and would look for a top signing to replace either of them.
Real Madrid have been approached by his agent and could easily switch their focus to him if they can't get other targets.
Barcelona might be looking for a replacement for Messi and Sancho could be the ideal player.
Chelsea are less likely to get involved, but do have a previous interest.

I doubt ALL of those sides would be interested, but if even ONE of them are then we immediately face competition for him which we didn't have this year. While the likelihood that NONE of them would show an interest is slim at best.


10.) 14 Nov 2020 20:39:32
Considering we keep playing juan mata right wing and let him drift infield and link up with other attackers, it isn't outside the realm of possibilities that dybala could do a similar sort of role.


11.) 15 Nov 2020 01:07:46
We might as well swap him with cash. The guys is the modern day Carlton Palmer.


12.) 15 Nov 2020 01:16:40
Sure Shappy, we both got our opinions about that possible transfer, but you made it look like every club out there is going to fight for Sancho. There is no chance that every club you mentioned will be interested in him. Liverpool could easily be the only contender.


13.) 15 Nov 2020 05:42:41
Dybala has a fantastic left foot and can easily play on the right side of a front three.


14.) 15 Nov 2020 10:31:27
Trololo, I'm not sure I did.

"Yet next summer we will likely have to compete with at least one of Liverpool, Chelsea, City, PSG, Real Madrid or even Barcelona for his signature. "

That's what Is said in my post. Where I clearly say "likely" and "at least one of".

I haven't said anyone would definitely be in for him, just that several other clubs are likely to hold an interest.

Personally I think the deal is dead. If we weren't prepared to pay what Dortmund wanted this year then why would we pay it next year?

{Ed002's Note - Juventus are already in discussions with another side over Dybala as clubs are making an effort to agree transfers as early as possible. An exchange for Pogba is not something that has been discussed and there remains the issue of a renewed contract if Dybala were to drop his insistance on a particular clause in his contract.}


15.) 15 Nov 2020 11:35:57
Cheers Ed002, that puts that to bed.


16.) 15 Nov 2020 22:42:19
Sorry, I read it in that manner. Yes, we wouldn't pay that amount, but neither did anyone else. Obviously the price was too high. As much as I'd like to see Sancho playing for United, it shouldn't happen at that price.
And virus is still active, I doubt much will change until summer, concerning other clubs (and Uniteds) budget.


 

 

16 Oct 2020 10:38:29
"Paul's our player, he's going to be here for another two years and I'm sure Paul is focused on doing his best for us and we want to see the best of Paul. I'm sure in the next couple of years we'll get the best out of him. "

Solskjaer's most recent comments about Paul Pogba. So I doubt he'll be dropped for the Newcastle game, and it looks like the club intend to activate the one year extension and let him leave on a free in 2022. Poor decision in my opinion, and just shows the lack of leadership, direction and basic understanding of football from the top brass at the club.


1.) 16 Oct 2020 11:19:35
“Pauls head is elsewhere, he has wanted to leave for the past 3 summers, didn't see eye to eye with previous manager like a lot of the squad. Paul is not focused on doing his best for us, i'm sure hell excel elsewhere in the next couple of years”.

Probably closer to the truth but ole is hardly gonma say that in his press conference.


2.) 16 Oct 2020 11:37:01
What about the poor decision making from Old to keep shoe-horning him in the midfield, playing deep when it clearly isn't working?


3.) 16 Oct 2020 12:16:03
It worked pretty well last season post lockdown.

I can't think of a single player who has played well in the league for us this season.


4.) 16 Oct 2020 12:57:35
Just don't play him. Should be easy enough for the manager.


5.) 16 Oct 2020 13:08:01
Maybe Paul Scholes?


6.) 16 Oct 2020 13:15:08
Did it dsg? 2 cup semi finals and a dismal few games before that.
Our best run was when pogba was injured.


7.) 16 Oct 2020 13:17:04
so we will be playing with ten men for the next two seasons then.


8.) 16 Oct 2020 13:20:00
DarkKnight, With Pogba there are three options with him in the squad.

1. Don't play him at all. but the draw back is every time you drop points that decision will be questioned. While if the club weren't going to play him they might have well sold him this summer even if it was for 10m.

2. Play him in a position that will get the best out of Pogba even if that is to the detriment to other players such as Bruno, Rashford or whoever. The plus side is pogba plays well, the downside is others might not. Plus if Pogba doesn't sign a new deal then he leaves after we have built the team around him.

3. Try and crowbar him in at his detriment and not that of other players who are committed to the side. That way if he leaves then he isn't a key player in our squad. While other players haven't had their form impacted by Pogba. While win, lose or draw you can't be questioned for leaving out "potentially" one of our best players.

None are good options, we have an unbalanced squad and a key player who wants to leave. Ideally the club would have moved him on this summer and Donny would have been his replacement in the first team. While Lingard or Pereira could have added depth until next season when hopefully one or two of Garner, Levitt and Mejbri might be ready to push for a first team spot depending on how they develop this season.


9.) 16 Oct 2020 15:02:48
I agree with Ken. Our best run was with Fred-Mactominay double pivot.


10.) 16 Oct 2020 17:38:49
2 guys with limited talent giving it everything are better than a player with lots of talent but not giving it his all.


11.) 16 Oct 2020 17:52:22
Ken, Pogba featured in every unbeaten game since project restart.
His first appearance post lockdown was against Spurs in which he won us the penalty after coming on as a substitute.
Apart from that he started all other matches.

I just feel he is not motivated to play for us. It shows in the lack of effort.
There are times when Bruno busts his guts and tracks back when he loses the ball, but I've yet to see that attitude from Pogba.


12.) 16 Oct 2020 17:55:05
Ken i wouldn't say that the only problem is he doesn't give everything. The 2 limited guys you refer to are simply better than Pogba in this role, they are better defencive 8 in this double pivot role.


13.) 16 Oct 2020 18:27:15
Pogba should be playing as understudy to Bruno, with Fred and VdB and Matic and McTominey fighting for the other two positions.


14.) 16 Oct 2020 18:53:36
Trd read the post.
We have been poor since he came back in the team. I think since project restart we played well twice. Before restart we played well in 7 or 8 games while he was injured. Our form has deteriorated since the restart game by game until now.
Its not just him ole has them all playing badly especially his own signings.


15.) 16 Oct 2020 18:59:08
Given how Pogba has played for the last year he doesn’t even merit a place in the starting 11. If it wasn’t for his commercial/ social media value the club would be working much harder to shift him out. Also, our relationship with Real Madrid is horrendous and I can’t see us ever selling anyone to them under the current environment. I saw Spanish reports that Barcelona were interested and perhaps we could get some players from them in exchange. De Jong would be my top choice, he’s come into some criticism from the Catalan media recently and when that happens then 90% of the time it doesn’t work out well for the player.


16.) 17 Oct 2020 08:07:26
Not sure Real will be Pogba's next destination, aren't they prioritising Mbappe, a right winger and Camavinga next summer?


17.) 18 Oct 2020 06:50:00
He wouldn’t excel anywhere dsg he’s a no good drama queen.


 

 

07 Oct 2020 17:41:33
So according to Fabrizio Romano United intended to sell Pogba to Juventus and bring in Sancho as the big name player to replace him. That would fit with the club signing DvdB who is more of a Pogba replacement.

However, Juventus couldn't raise the funds and as such never followed through with their interest.

Which may have had a bearing on the Sancho deal.


1.) 07 Oct 2020 18:28:32
That makes so much sense - gutted we couldn’t get it done. At least it’s reassuring knowing pogba was intendeded to be sold.


2.) 07 Oct 2020 18:41:25
From January he's free to sign a pre nup with any foreign team. The chance to sell him was this summer. Would be mad if Juventus signed him on a free 2and time.


3.) 07 Oct 2020 19:35:19
Think United can trigger an extra year I am sure Ed002 may have mentioned it but I could be wrong.


4.) 07 Oct 2020 19:42:03
Should have gone last summer. Hopefully we don’t give him another deal just so that we don’t lose him for free.


5.) 07 Oct 2020 20:09:45
Didnt Juve spend over €100million on two midfielders, Artur and Kulusevski in the last window. Sounds like the cash was there if they really wanted Pogba.

{Ed002's Note - No, Arthur was offset by Pjanic. Kulusevski was purchased prior to the pandemic.}


6.) 07 Oct 2020 20:15:11
surley the juve staff could have a whip round for 20 quid.


7.) 07 Oct 2020 20:21:54
Would triggering the extra year with the intention of selling him be classed as profiteering as Ed002 has mentioned before? I don't understand and try to stay clear of the complicated stuff maybe someone could educate me.

{Ed002's Note - Clubs are not allowed to profiteer. They can extend contracts and strike a deal.}


8.) 07 Oct 2020 20:30:08
Thanks Ed, is Fabrizio is basically correct?

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what he has said but if he told you this he does not understand the situation with these players.}


9.) 07 Oct 2020 20:34:06
That does make sense. But be careful guys, doesn't that suggest our board and manager are not as stupid or inept as they are painted in the media?

Planning for the future and repairing bad decisions? Whatever next, if we aren't careful we might just see plans to source the worlds beat prospects, loan out our talent and not lose them at the end of their deals, reintegrate the ones who shine, and get the ones who don't off our books for a nice little earner we can put into prooer investment in the stadium surrlunding infrastructure, scouting, player acquisitions and uograded training facilities.

Increasing the value of the asset? Having a plan staribg us inbthe fce but we are so busy whining we havebt won the keague we dobt notice?

What a ridiculous thought.

I wish the manager would come out and say whether he believes we should expect to win the league this year, or for the Board to say in advance of the transfer window what we should expect given there is a C.V. so we could show some faith rather than negativity and let the media turn us toxic again! OH, wait a minute.


10.) 07 Oct 2020 20:45:22
I really don't understand the profiteering thing.

I assume it means that the club can't extend the contract by the additional year just so they can sell the player and make a profit.

But if we did extend it and an offer came it, I assume we could still accept it.

Ed02, can you explain the concept in a bit more detail or perhaps point to another source worth reading?

{Ed002's Note - The concept is that you cannot extend to make money but if the player is sold the profit, or a negotiated profit, would go to him.}


11.) 07 Oct 2020 23:48:31
Surely nobody is going to pay £89m for Pogba?


12.) 08 Oct 2020 08:13:27
My understanding of profiteering is that if you have a player like Pogba say, who has a year left on his contract but the club has an option to activate for a further year. Now in theory Pogba could leave for free next summer and receive a large signing on bonus as he is moving on a Bosman. However, if the club activate his year extension only to sell him and make some money thus negating the signing on fee Pogba would receive that is considered profiteering.

Only activating the contract extension to make a profit.

With Pogba United only have three options left.

1. Let him leave for free next summer.

2. Offer him a new deal, either with the intention of him staying here long term or with an agreement to sell him for a fixed fee.

3. activate the one year extension and keep an unhappy player for a further year before losing them on a free.

Ideally the best option for the club now would be to give him an extension and agree to sell him for a set price. He would need to be compensated for that, probably with very high wages, or an agreement that he receives a larger percentage of the transfer fee.


13.) 08 Oct 2020 09:32:55
Don't know if this kind of post is kosher but maybe this is worth a read for those of us who have a genuine interest in how things work.


Transfers report


14.) 08 Oct 2020 11:35:21
Juventus probably ran a mile after seeing his pathetic performances over the last 2 season. I wouldn't pay a million for him, he is sh*t!


15.) 08 Oct 2020 12:15:21
Sim, the sad thing is he isn't. He just isn't suited to being the player you build your team around.

Pogba is better suited to being the luxury player you add to an already great team, the player who can add a touch of magic and win those tight games. But he will make mistakes and be defensively lax.

If he goes to Juventus he will be a success there.


16.) 08 Oct 2020 14:03:25
Shappy he is rubbish. nothing you can tell me will change my mind so stop wasting your time. He's been absolute garbage for 2-3 seasons now. Get a grip!


17.) 08 Oct 2020 14:33:28
This is odd considering Romano spent the whole summer insisting Pogba was happy at United and contract talks would begin after the window closes.


18.) 08 Oct 2020 15:28:15
Romano is full of crap. gets the odd bit tight but even a broken clock is right twice a day.
He makes a fortune through social media. fair play to him he is a bigger con merchant that ole.


19.) 08 Oct 2020 16:27:46
ken, I strongly disagree.
FR is one of the very best and reliable.
Each and every one of his update this transfer window has been absolutely spot on.


20.) 08 Oct 2020 16:23:15
Sim, no player has scored and assisted more goals than Pogba since he joined the club. If he is rubbish then every other member of the squad is more rubbish than him.

If you were to say he doesn't live up to the hype, or that there are clear faults in his game then fair enough. If you want to question whether the club should be holding on to player who doesn't want to be here, or a player who played an active role in getting a manager sacked then celebrated it. Then I'm with you 100%.

But to say he isn't a talented footballer, despite all his managers, coaches, pundits and fellow players all appreciating his ability. Just makes you seem like you know very little about football.

Pogba hasn't lived up to the hype, and he isn't interested in being here and the time for the club to cut their losses has long since past. But the guy has more natural talent in his left leg than pretty much everyone else in our squad.

Pogba is a very good player, potentially great. We as a club just haven't been able to give him the platform he needs to get the best out of him. That's partially his fault for not working hard enough on eliminating the weaknesses in his game, that's partially the managers fault for not getting the best out of him and that's partially the club's fault for not creating a team in which he can thrive.


21.) 08 Oct 2020 18:18:45
Snappy I think it’s fair to say that Pogba was decent. But for the past 18 months to two years he’s been a terrible footballer. Actually he’s consistently put in some of the worse performances I’ve seen in a United shirt. If that means I know nothing about football than fair enough, but I can’t understand how anyone can defend him.


22.) 08 Oct 2020 18:37:18
Shappy what more could we do to create an environment for pogba? Near enough every signing has been to “unlock” him. He’s got all the ability in the world, there’s not much he can’t do with a ball. The frustrating thing is he doesn’t do it for 90mins. His best moments in the United shirt was the city game. Where he was god awful first half.

I don’t think he’s a bad fella at all, but he’s not someone I want Hannibal mejbri for example to be looking up too. He throws his arms about when he loses the ball, doesn’t work hard enough without it either. If he played simple and released the ball early he’d be fantastic, but he’s more interested in looking good. His start to this season has been nothing short of a disgrace. The sooner he’s gone the better for him and for us as a club.


23.) 08 Oct 2020 19:27:39
Pogba is similar to Mesut Ozil for me. Ridiculous amount of talent but lacking the desire to be the best.
Ironically, they are both World Cup winners. I honestly think the problem is players now are so rich that some just lose focus on football.
These guys have hit the very pinnacle of football and have money we could only dream of.
Both seem like decent enough guys who could’ve been up there with the best of their generation but neither will really be remembered as such.


24.) 08 Oct 2020 19:51:41
Ozil has achieved a lot more then Pogba has ever done.

Comparing Ozil and Pogba is laughable.

In regards to the original post, we need to just get rid of Pogba and build the team around a new CM like Niguez if we can get him and move forwqrd as a club once and for all.


25.) 08 Oct 2020 20:20:10
Why’s it laughable Singh?
Both players have bags of talent but have flattered to deceive.
What has Ozil achieved? 3 FA cups? La Liga?
Pogba has a few Scudetto’s and a Europa League medal.
This wasn’t my point though. I used Ozil as an example of another player who has the talent but won’t really be remembered for being a great player.


26.) 09 Oct 2020 00:19:32
Singh I think means Ozil played top level football for more years. Its not only about trophies. Ozil was top class for several years and Pogba is only about potential. Even at Juventus it was more about potential and some flashes more than a top player playing 90 minutes good football every week.


27.) 10 Oct 2020 15:35:48
I think it’s simple really. Pogba has lots of talent but only produces flashes of it because he just ain’t suited to the premier league. He needs a league such as serie a which is less intense/ fast so he has the time to shine. Would do well in the Spanish league too.


 

 

 

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18 Jan 2021 11:29:27
Quick question, do people think the 9 days Liverpool had to prepare for the match compared to the 4 days we had?


1.) 18 Jan 2021 11:53:13
I think Bruno looked laboured and tired, Rashford looks jaded but has for a while. Is what it is when you are in competitions you play games regular, C.V. too, everything up in the air, not something to moan about imo.


2.) 18 Jan 2021 12:21:14
Welsh I'm not moaning, its the way the fixture list fell. Liverpool were knocked out of the EFL cup, whereas we had to play an extra game against City.

I do wonder if we hadn't had that game against City would our players have been slightly fresher and maybe had enough legs to find a winner yesterday.

I've been shot down for suggesting that we need to prioritise which games we play our best 11 in, but the reality is that we don't have the quality in depth to rotate our squad without a significant drop off in quality and performance.

That leaves us with two options, either play our strongest 11 in every game until they burn out and hope they have enough fitness to play twice a week every week for 8 months. Or pick which games to rotate which invariably means sending out a weakened side.

We can either rotate against the likes of Fulham and Sheffield United and hope they don't spring a surprise on us, or we can rotate in the cup games and focus on a unusually winnable league this year.


3.) 18 Jan 2021 12:34:24
If we had 1-2 more days to prepare then fine. But i don't knoq if its good for them either, Liverpool wasnt much sharp and it isn't coincidence that when they a lot of days (like when national teams play) they don't play well.


4.) 18 Jan 2021 12:51:29
Shapps I feel the team setup was the problem.
This was a chance to make a statement.
Liverpool's forwards are on a dry run and they literally don't have Centre Backs.


5.) 18 Jan 2021 12:53:53
Not really because even if we had a month to prepare for that game we would still struggle to keep the ball when pressed well which liverpool do in most games.

The only fix for that is coaching and better technical quality and bravery from the players. Not rest.


6.) 18 Jan 2021 14:23:48
I don't think about it at all. it's the way the cards fell and you play the hand your dealt.


7.) 18 Jan 2021 14:47:59
Massive Conspiracy.


8.) 18 Jan 2021 15:21:37
TrueRedDevil, I think that's a bit of a false narrative.

While Liverpool haven't been great, the games in which they haven't scored they have had 45 shots in 3 games. They also smashed 7 past Palace just before the Christmas schedule. And 4 past Villa in the FA cup in their last game.

We made 33 clearances and blocked 8 goal bound shots from Liverpool yesterday. If we hadn't sat so deep and defended so resolutely they would have scored. If we opened ourselves up and commited more players forward they might have found more space in front of our goal.

While statically Fabinho has been Liverpool's best CB this season, his performances at CB have been better than VvD's have been this season before he got injured.

So him playing at CB was hardly a weakness for Liverpool yesterday.


 

 

17 Jan 2021 13:45:53
Remember Gareth Bale? What a player he was, whatever happened to him?

On a serious note, I think his plight just goes to show how important mentality is at the top of the game. He got all the money and the plaudits, won multiple titles and rung his career in by the time he was 28. Shame he would rather spend his time playing golf rather than the sport he could be a world beater at rather than an also ran.

Glad we steered clear of him after he moved to Real Madrid. If we could have got him when he was 23/ 24 then it might have been different. But now I'd avoid him like the plague, which fortunately enough is fairly easy while in lockdown.


1.) 17 Jan 2021 14:48:18
I’m surprised how little he has played, looks like a mistake to me.


2.) 17 Jan 2021 15:38:25
Either not fit or not committed. Jose won't play anyone unless they have 100% commitment to the cause. Does he think Bale wants to play football or golf?


3.) 17 Jan 2021 15:49:48
And there were some who wanted us to sign him in the summer.

Bale should never have gone to Spain, but injuries and a poor attitude are every bit as responsible for his rapid decline. I thought maybe going back to Spurs might help him turn things around, but he still looks a shadow of his former self. Real should have let him go to China.


 

 

11 Jan 2021 22:02:40
Liverpool at home in the cup. What does everyone think of that draw?

Personally I think it's ideal. If we win then we have taken out a serious threat in the competition, if we lose then it's not a shameful loss and it means we can focus on the league and don't overstretch ourselves.

I've said previously that if it was me I would send the squad players out in all the cups.

Seeing as we can't make it past the Semi anyway what's the point 😂.


1.) 11 Jan 2021 23:51:14
Can’t make it past a semi, that’s what she said.


2.) 12 Jan 2021 06:29:35
I think Ole needs to win something, start to prove he has what it takes and finish at least 2nd in the league. I don’t believe in surrendering a competition and concentrate on other competitions. You have to aim to win everything you are in. I would be worried about Liverpool at home given our home form, that can change if the manager plays it as a cup game, not a try not to lose scrape an on the break goal set up.


3.) 12 Jan 2021 09:47:00
Red Man, we are going to play Liverpool twice in a 7-8 day period.

While the aim should always be to win every game. If you could only pick one of those games to win and the other would be a loss which would you pick to win?

The league game or the FA cup game?


4.) 12 Jan 2021 10:27:32
League given our current position Shappy. All day long.

If we were well adrift in the league I'd pick the cup as it puts the favourites out and us into the 5th round.

But let's focus on beating Burnley first. Dyche and his team are always up for it against us.


5.) 12 Jan 2021 11:37:19
I don’t think Liverpool are favourites for the cup, they usually go out early as Klopp puts a weak team out and they focus on the league and CL. They only got through because Villa had to play their kids, so it will be interesting to see what Klopp does against us, I doubt he will want to lose that one.


6.) 12 Jan 2021 12:54:25
The old adage, take every game as it comes and try to win them. We shouldn’t be prioritising one or the other at this point.


7.) 12 Jan 2021 13:58:56
So a refusal to answer my question then as you will pick the league over the cup and prove my point.

Red Man, if come the end of the season we have had long cup runs in the FA cup and Europa League and we have many key players out injured which impacts our league form will you come back on here and admit I was right?


8.) 12 Jan 2021 18:40:08
Shappy

Sometimes you win games you don’t expect to. You have to go into every game trying to win. We don’t have the luxury of being selective.

{Ed047's Note - just treat the games like a semi final and you’ll be fine! 😉


9.) 12 Jan 2021 18:45:16
Shappy,

Why do you have to pick one or the other? Going on that logic we should play weaker teams in all the cups every year and just go for the league. i'm glad Fergie didn't have that mentality in 99.


10.) 12 Jan 2021 20:10:59
Ed47

Indeed fifth time lucky.

{Ed047's Note - 👍🏼😁


 

 

05 Jan 2021 11:59:36
Last night just goes to highlight that this is an unusual season and that we need to appreciate that any side at any point in the season is capable of beating anyone else, be that us, City or Liverpool.

We will drop points, as will everyone else before the season is done. Personally, I think City will win the league this year. They are there or there abouts without Aguero, once he comes back, they will be able to turn those draws into wins more often than not and I think come out on top come the end of the season.

However, we have a great chance which I don't think would be there in a normal year. Let's hope we can make the most of it. let's just enjoy the ride.


1.) 05 Jan 2021 13:00:39
It will be a topsy turvy season for sure.
Liverpool were dreadful last match, Chelsea had the best transfer window but are struggling for confidence.

We just have to maintain our momentum and anything could happen.


2.) 05 Jan 2021 14:17:07
Shappy i don’t buy that we wouldn’t be there under a ‘normal’ year whatever that is.

Every team plays the same fixtures.

We are where we are because of the points we’ve collected, and whoever wins the league will be the team with the most points,

Saying we are higher in the league because of CV is an absolute nonsense imo.


3.) 05 Jan 2021 14:26:21
"Chelsea had the best transfer window" surely not? i'd aruge Villa had much better window than them, perhaps even some other teams. They spent a lot, but they spent almost everything on their atack. In the end their defence doesn't function, nor does the offense.


4.) 05 Jan 2021 14:47:19
Triolo, they did add to the defense.
Chilwell imo is a top signing for Left Back spot. Thiago Silva has added much needed leadership at the back.
And they also got a keeper in Mendy.

Add to that Werner, Havertz and Ziyech. All 3 are top players who just haven't hit form or struggled with fitness.


5.) 05 Jan 2021 15:02:08
Wazza the last three titles have been won with a points total of 100, 98 and 99 points.

It won't be anywhere near that this year, maybe as low as 80 points to win it. Next year I would expect it to be close to or over 90 points again.


6.) 05 Jan 2021 15:40:52
Shappy you are guessing.

Look at the table. It’s very close to predictable.
Liverpool top. Us closing the gap with a better squad. City up there. Leicester doing well. Fulham doing badly. Newcastle doing what they do every season. You’re trying to convince everyone to see something that isn’t there.

Yes there have been some odd results to say the least but a win is 3 points whatever the score line.

The last few seasons have seen exceptional City and Liverpool sides. We used to win the title with 80ish points regularly so what you are predicting is not as peculiar as you are constantly trying to make out.


7.) 05 Jan 2021 16:01:01
I think the league leader this year has the fewer points at this point of the season since 2001? So ofcourse C.V. played its part.
Had Liverpool or City be at their best we couldn't follow them at 90+ points. And yes that's a guess but saying that without C.V. it would be the same it is a guess too. What i know for sure is that our team is nowhere near Liverpool's last two seasons team or City's which hit 98+ points in two season in a row. that's the reason i believe i am doing a good guess :)


8.) 05 Jan 2021 16:44:00
Wazza, 90 points in the past three season would have seen us finish higher than 3rd only once.

Do you think any team will top 90 points this season?


9.) 05 Jan 2021 17:29:44
Shappy, no I don’t. But you’re moving the goal posts again.

Look at the league table. You make out like West Ham are top of the league with how unpredictable you claim things are.

Teams are a bit closer together this season. Liverpool lost VVD and are playing midfielders in defence, so they are bound to be behind where they were last season. United and City started late but are now consistent, both closing the gap. That’s not due to CV. That’s because United have strengthened, Liverpool are weakened and City are City.

Leicester are doing their thing. Villa spent over £80m in summer so should be where they are. Arsenal are doing Arsenal things. Chelsea are up and down. This is what we expected before the season started is it not?

The only team with a big difference to last season is Sheff Utd, but they massively over achieved last season and had the lowest xG and fewest shots on target, their luck couldn't keep on.

I just don’t see it. Over 38 games the team with the most points wins the league, CV or no CV. At the moment that looks like it will be City or Liverpool. Same as we thought at the start of the season. We’ve closed the gap. Same as we thought at the start of the season.

I don’t see any surprises as you keep making out. CV is here and it’s affecting peoples lives and some players have had it and that will continue, but it’s not thrown things as wide open as you maintain. It’s business as usual if you look at the league table.


10.) 05 Jan 2021 17:35:59
If you guys want a full review of each teams transfer window this past summer than give a listen to the football rumours podcast titled Transfers. It's done in two parts by our very own ed001 and his guests. Maybe one if the Ed's can post the link.


11.) 05 Jan 2021 18:20:55
Interesting that you expected Villa to put 7 past Liverpool, that was before Liverpool had any injuries to their first choice defence. TAA, Gomez, VVD and Robertson were the back four that day.

Of course everyone will be effected by the current situation, but some will cope better than others.

Later on in the season expect a slew of injuries to players, who copes best with that will be successful this season in my opinion.


12.) 05 Jan 2021 20:21:36
Who said they expected Villa to put 7 past Liverpool? Moving the goal posts when someone disagrees with you again Shappy.


13.) 06 Jan 2021 10:13:17
TRD Silva is over his best and i'd argue Mendy is worse than Kepa. I do think Chilwell is their best signing though.
Its not just about form, players don't know each other, that learning takes time. I saw what Werner could do in couple of games, I don't think he is a bad signing, but you can't change up almost the whole squad and expext results.


 

 

04 Jan 2021 16:11:17
Our last 5 season point totals look like this:

19/ 20 - 66 points
18/ 19 - 66 points
17/ 18 - 81 points
16/ 17 - 69 points
15/ 16 - 66 points

Finishing 3rd, 6th, 2nd, 6th and 5th.

What does everyone make of this? is 60-70 points a fair reflection of where this squad is, that seems to be the average points finish across the last three managers.

At what point do we sit back and think that the issue is bigger than the manager and until the deeper problems are solved will we see any tangible improvement?


1.) 04 Jan 2021 16:27:44
Issues might have been bigger than the manager but does it mean the manager wasn't bad? Both could be true though, Shappy, can't they?

You should be aware that most of the posters are in agreement that the club as a whole had been mismanaged for years, even during the last few years under SAF.

However did the issue just go away for that 81 points season under Jose and then reappeared 12 months later or was Jose not the best fit in the first place? Could the board have done more to progress the club further ahead after that 81 points season? Yes. But did Mourinho's grumpy and sulky side slowly start to take affect on the fans and the dressing room?

People have already identified the board room level as being in need of improvement. Doesn't the "attack" on Woodward's residence prove that "we" believe the issues at the club to not be just the manager.

In short, I think the club can be better run at both the board room level and at the coaching level.


2.) 04 Jan 2021 16:35:14
when we were discussing what would successful season look like, i mentioned that us getting atleast 23 wins (5 wins more than last year) would be good enough. it would land us around the 75-78 point mark for the season, which i think is par for this squad. anything more and the manager has done a great job, anything less and he should improve. Given where we are, i think we are doing OK.


3.) 04 Jan 2021 17:03:30
Our biggest problem is the way we spend money. We're reactive in the transfer market not proactive. Each manager was let down by whomever makes the decisons to sign players.

Go back to LvG's last year. We apparently had two deals for players in January. We were going through a horrible spell of results and some awful football. My memory is fuzzy but one of those players I believe was Saul. Instead of backing the manager That January the club instead concocted a story to blame the "toxic" fans for the reason they pulled out of those transfers.

Imagine being in control of a multi billion pound company and listening to passionate fans who's club are going through a difficult time. It's funny that the club don't listen about protests about the Glazers or Woodward but have their ears to the grindstone when it will save them some money. Toxic fans caused Man utd to pull out of 2 transfers to spite them.

Van Gaal plods through to the end of the season missing out on 4th spot on goal difference. He wins us our first cup since Sir Alex and is sacked before his celebratory beer gets warm.

Who knows what those 2 extra players could have done for Van Gaal that season?

Onto Jose. A man who you keep happy and he delivers a league title. Has done at every club he's managed. He's well backed in the transfer market in his first season. A mix of 4 managers players at the club, we find it hard to get a good run going in the league. He focuses on the Europa League to get us back into the Champions League and along with a League Cup, we finish the season on a positive note.

Backed again in transfer market, Jose finishes 2nd behind a City team that amass 100 points in the league. He says finishing 2nd with that team was one of his greatest achievements, every laughs but like most things Jose says, he has a point.

Delighted with 2nd place, all looks well at the club. The board like a few posters on here are happy with being 2nd and close the purse strings. Players like Perisic are dubbed too old (He went on the win a treble with Bayern) players like Maguire were deemed too expensive at 50 million (next season we would sign him for £80 million) . Jose who managed a team to 2nd was given Fred and Dalot to catch a City team that just amassed 100 points. Worth a mention, Liverpool who finished 4th that season went and broke the world record for a defender and GK and it pays off.

The wheels come off like they normally do when there's an unhappy Jose. Ole swoops in and gets the feel good factor back at the club. Like most people when they're on probation in work, they do a great job. Once he's made permanent, he takes the club from 4th to 6th and that feel good factor is gone.

Well backed like the other managers in their first season. He still has a team chocked full high earners who aren't good enough to get us where we have to be. Superb run and the arrival of Bruno secures Ole 3rd place finish with the same points total that would have seen the team finish 6th the year before.

Just when we're on the up again, when the team and manager need a boost, they sign VdB who clearly the manager doesn't want and a left back in Telles the club doesn't need right now.

Not getting Ole the players he wanted hasn't stopped them doing really well this season but long long story short. It seems the better the team does, the less money there is to spend. It's like we're swimming against the tide the closer to the top we get. The owners simply don't have the appetite to get us to the top.

Interesting on the points tally. This squad right now should be looking for high 70s low 80s. There shouldn't be anything stopping them reaching that target.


4.) 04 Jan 2021 18:08:10
How many of this squad play regularly that were here in 16 17?
Ddg, not shaw he hardly played then.
Rash, martial. So its irrelevant.
80 points is not unreasonable and is the least we should exoect from this squad. 20 plus points on last season should be attainable 86 87 points would win the league this year imo.


5.) 04 Jan 2021 19:20:44
Top post Mumbles.
The decision makers kept going for Sancho the whole summer and missed out on a CDM and CB.

Imagine what Partey could have done to this team or a top class CB. The glaring deficiencies could have been fixed.


6.) 04 Jan 2021 19:38:48
We’re second despite poor recruitment this year. Telles has been ok, nothing more, VDB feels like a Woody signing and Ole clearly doesn’t want to play him, and Cavani may or may not prove to be a hit.

And then we have Woody coming out talking about great recruitment, the mind boggles.


7.) 04 Jan 2021 20:59:02
Difficult market this summer, but I think we have bought pretty well the last few year.
Best squad we have had in a while imo.


8.) 04 Jan 2021 21:09:32
Woodward or whoever got a lot wrong and learned thd hard way but I do think there has been a change in direction, last couple of year.


9.) 04 Jan 2021 21:27:04
If you are looking at a trend analysis and graphed it, the 81 points stands out as far above the norm and ignoring opinions would be something to look at, to understand why it was higher that season than all the others.


 

 

 

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12 Jan 2021 11:02:21
Hatter, While I can't speak for the club, personally I was a little surprised by the link to Caicedo in the first place. Obviously a talented player and supposedly available for a very fair price.

Yet what United need is someone ready and able to step in and be that holding midfielder we can build the next side around. I'm not sure a 19 year old coming straight out of South America is the right person for that.

We have some depth in midfield already, with Pogba, Matic, Fred, McTominay and Donny. While we have some excellent young players of a similar age to Caicedo coming through, Garner being the obvious and most highly rated of them.

Personally I think we need that holding shielding player who can control the tempo. Saul would be ideal, Rice could be a good option as well. I think Caicedo looks better in a more box to box role, and at his age and level of experience I don't think he is ready to jump in and be first choice.


 

 

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11 Jan 2021 21:04:34
There is a huge list of players the club need to move on. Romero, Rojo, Jones, TFM, Andreas Pereira and Lingard are the ones who desperately need to go.

Romero is the only one who is close to good enough and we still have two better keepers than him in Henderson and DDG.

Then we have a group of players such as Bailly, Shaw, Matic, Mata, James, Pogba, Fred, Martial, Cavani etc.

Players who are either getting older and will soon need replacing, don't want to be here or who it is questionable about them being good enough.

I wouldn't worry too much about TFM.


 

 

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09 Jan 2021 08:17:19
I kind of agree that the club's youth plans seem a little old school and archaic.

We often here about no pathway for youngsters, yet this is often met with counter arguments of the number of of youngster in the first team squad.

While Ole certainly seems happy enough to give young players a game, and to an extent it is then down to the player to prove themselves and take that chance with both hands. However, just throwing kids into games and creating a planned pathway are very different things.

Do the youngsters have an individual development plan, things for them to work on, markers to hit etc. Is there a clear plan, plans for possible loans to club's that would suit their development (i. e. right level, good chance to play games, right style of play etc) . Then some sort of plan to get into the first team.

Williams is a good example, there was no plan for him to play in the first team. He wasn't taken on the pre-season tour (which is a good indicator that he wasn't thought of as an option to move up to the first team that season) . Then we had an injury crisis and we needed someone from the academy. Ethan Laird was the one they wanted/ expected to step up, but he was injured. So Williams got the chance and he seized it with both hands, showing talent and great mentality in equal measure. He even kept Shaw out of the starting line up for a time once Shaw was fully fit.

Then in the summer we bought Alex Telles, some thought he would move over to challenge AWB on Williams more natural right hand side. Yet TFM, Tuanzebe and even Lindelof have played at RB more than Williams.

While there are rumours of the club looking at other RB's as back up for AWB. So what is the plan for Williams.

He has proven he is good enough for the EPL, and there are several teams lining up to take him on loan.

This is another example of us not planning for our youth players.


 

 

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09 Jan 2021 08:03:49
At their ages more like Boca Seniors 😂.


 

 

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04 Jan 2021 13:50:25
Thanks Ed002, I'm far from an expert on international visas. I know in the past clubs have struggled to sign a player without international recognition. I'd imagine him representing his country will help and application, but appreciate that its far more nuanced than that.

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20 Jan 2021 14:43:29
GDS, While Schmeichel may have been well known, he had failed in a battle with Joe Hart in the fight for the No.1 shirt at Man City. He then moved to Notts County and then Leeds before he made his way to Leicester City. He has since stepped up to become one of the best keepers in the league for many years.

Not obscurity like Vardy coming from non-league, but a well scouted player who suited the club and was able to step up and help them win a league title.


 

 

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20 Jan 2021 13:58:04
We also signed a Spanish winger from Atletico Madrid (Alejandro Garnacha), so that makes three young wingers signed between the ages of 16-18. Is there space for Elanga as well?

It's a fine balance between signing all the best young talent and being able to give those players the game time and chances they need to progress their careers. Nothing is more important to a young player than game time. If you're not playing then you're not learning.


 

 

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20 Jan 2021 13:07:04
I don't know much about his contract, but we have just signed Diallo and Pellistri who play on the flanks.


 

 

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20 Jan 2021 12:49:55
Dodgy, Barnes has come through their academy, just loaned out a few times. Proof that sometimes loans can be what makes a player.

Although now thinking about it Leicester did sign the donkey that is Harry Maguire, so that goes against their scouting department. But kudos to their board who managed to sell him for a handsome profit 😂🤦‍♂️🤯.


 

 

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20 Jan 2021 11:57:04
Leicester have a great scouting department by the looks of things.

They plucked Vardy from obscurity, signed Kante, Schmeichel, Evans, Ndidi, Maddison, Tielemans, Ricardo Pereira, Castagne, Mahrez, Justin, Soyuncu and of course Fofana.

While they have brought through young players like Chilwell, Choudhury and Harvey Barnes.

There recruitment has been excellent.