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27 Nov 2021 11:05:23
The EPL is probably the strongest league in the world right now, and I don't see how other leagues in the near future will be able to challenge it.

Look at the managers that have been attracted to the EPL:

Pep, Klopp, Tuchel, Conte, Rangnick, Bielsa, Benitez, Rodgers, Potter and Hasenhuttl, along with young promising up and coming managers like Gerrard, Viera, Lage and Howe.

It's a competitive league and with the money available to sign the best players to play for the best managers it's not surprising to see more British clubs go further in European competitions.

There are no easy games now, and the level of competition means that we will see more and more tougher games against sides we would have traditionally think was an easy win.

That's why in my opinion it's vital that we've brought in someone like Rangnick now, we need to set the club structure and aim for excellence. In the coming years we won't be able to fudge it and still get top four.


1.) 27 Nov 2021 16:24:48
The EPL has the money Shappy.

The best players and managers will follow the money like the seagulls with the trawlers. I hope that the club is finally starting to realise that building a modern club structure is essential to competing in the new EPL era.


2.) 28 Nov 2021 13:19:56
Are we doing a Cantona appreciated thread?

"My best moment? I have a lot of good moments but the one I prefer is when I kicked the hooligan. "

Disclaimer: This post does not endorse violence of any kind, even against hooligans.


3.) 29 Nov 2021 11:59:22
'Probably' the strongest? I doubt it's even close. Think a £2b deal has also recently been struck for US TV rights. We're lucky to have it.


 

 

22 Nov 2021 19:33:19
Rumour doing the rounds is that Bruce is high on the list of possible interim managers.

No idea if it has any truth in it, but how would people feel about having Bruce as our manager until the end of the season?


1.) 22 Nov 2021 19:43:42
The right type of appointment if we want to avoid a problem at the end of the season when the interim does too well again!


2.) 22 Nov 2021 19:47:26
Tbf to bruce, he didn't do to bad under the ashley ownership at newcastle

BUT we are not newcastle.

I don't get why this season needs to be written off?

Fa cup is still up for grabs, we are on course to get to the knockouts of the UCL in how long?

And as daft as it spunds we are only 12 off the top. Regardless of current form look what tucel did,

If poch wants to come now instesd of the summer then we should go all out now if he's number 1 choice.


3.) 22 Nov 2021 20:09:20
I have never understood the clamour for Pochettino, what did he win with Spurs? Why would Poch be any better than what we have had since SAF finished, what has Poch won? Easy to win a one team league when you have a billion euro of layers in your squad.


4.) 22 Nov 2021 20:37:57
I agree with Bolger that if the powers that be have decided Poch is the man they may as well contact PSG and see if they can make it happen. I would be surprised if there was any way PSG would entertain it in the middle of the season, but who knows what goes on behind closed doors?

As for Bruce as interim, I am not sure I am bothered really, experienced manager can probably hold things together for 6 months, for me it's all down to getting the next permanent appointment right.


5.) 22 Nov 2021 20:56:46
Stubuggs, while I think there is a legitimate question over Pochettino's ability to breed a "winning" mentality in his team's.

Yet I think it's massively over egged to be honest. Up until he took the PSG job in the middle of last season he hasn't ever been at a club with a history or even the resources to push towards winning things.

Espanol and Southampton are steady mid-table clubs that regularly flirt with relegation and even the occasional stint in the second tier.

Spurs have always been a nearly club, competing in a league where there are at least 3-4 better sides with more resources.

That said he took them to a title challenge and got them to the UCL final. Considering the budget he worked with, the squad he had and the competition he was up against that is very impressive.

There is an argument that maybe he should have won the title the year Leicester surprised everyone, but injuries to key players, a lack of squad depth to cover and a bout of sickness to a large part of the squad during the title run in derailed their chances.

Is Pochettino the right man? Who knows, but he isn't a terrible option and has many of the qualities we need in a manager.

Every manager has potential drawbacks or issues that could stop them being a success. While the current set up at the club is more likely to hinder rather than aid any new manager unless drastic changes are made.

That doesn't mean a manager can't be a success, just that they would need to do so in spite of how the club is run rather than because of how it's run.


6.) 22 Nov 2021 21:03:30
I tend to lean towards preferring the club have someone like Bruce until the end of the season if it means getting the right man in May rather than the wrong man now.

That said maybe Mark Hughes or even Brian Kidd would be better choices as they're football is more entertaining than that of Bruce. Seeing as it's November if we are going to have an interim manager I'd prefer one who plays offensive football over one who plays defensive football. After all there is a lot of football left in this season and I just want to be entertained.


7.) 22 Nov 2021 21:40:29
No ta to Bruce as anything, unless we really want to become a 16th placed team.
I’ve no idea who would want interim of any calibre though.
Perhaps they can get Poch to say he wants to leave PSG and make that happen now.
Woodward wanting Poch puts me off but I actually like Poch and think he’d do well for us style wise, and get us up the table again but as I’ve said Ten Hag for me, Naglesman or Marsch would be good too but looks like the club want Poch.


8.) 22 Nov 2021 22:27:19
Honest if bruce is put in as interim we might as well just give up now. Were man united he's just been sacked by newcastle for being awful why is this even a question if you thought rivals singing oles at the wheel was bad imagine what they say if we appoint bruce. Newcastle forced greame jones on him late last year because his training was awful as were his tactics.


9.) 22 Nov 2021 22:30:26
How about a rotation of ex-United legends until the end of the season. Hughes, Bruce, Kidd, Ince, Neville, Neville, Scholes, Blanc, Robson, Strachan, Robins, Stam, Berg, Forlan, Heinze, Larsson, Rooney. Should be enough for everyone to have a go for a week.


10.) 23 Nov 2021 08:20:04
You missed Fred the Red - apparently he favours 4-3-3-.


11.) 23 Nov 2021 09:50:52
Is this where we're at now lads . people seriously discussing bringing Steve Bruce in as manager until the end of the season.


12.) 23 Nov 2021 10:29:49
If Bruce is the answer I am not sure what the question is. Great player, okay manager but his style is awful. To me it would make no sense and I would sooner just stick it out with Carrick and see what happens.
Either way no one that comes in now as an interim will be the coach going forward unless there is something that drastically happens results wise. I think the club have been burned and will want a clean slate. The only caveat is if one of the managers they want in the summer is now available, but this would not be on a temp contract.


13.) 23 Nov 2021 12:25:51
This thread is incredible.


14.) 23 Nov 2021 17:46:31
He better have a smaller head when he goes to Anfield.


 

 

30 Aug 2021 18:56:06
Rumour is that we will get £25m PLUS add-ons for Dan James to move to Leeds.

If that is the case then I think we've pulled their pants down on that one.

His fee before extras would cover all of the Ronaldo fee including the extras.

Effectively we have swapped Dan James for Ronaldo an a few million.


1.) 30 Aug 2021 19:04:04
Good luck to him. Always frustrated me with his decision making but always admired his work ethic. If only all our players with natural talent would work as hard as him.
All the best Dan James.


2.) 30 Aug 2021 19:16:13
Shappy, so now you are happy with the accountants handling Manchester United transfers?


3.) 30 Aug 2021 19:28:34
Personally think we will see the best of James now at Leeds, think he suits their play.
Think this is a good deal all round and hope it is the start of being able to bring a DM in.


4.) 30 Aug 2021 19:49:47
Honestly thought it would be around 16-18 mill. Good luck to him nice lad but not good enough for Utd.


5.) 30 Aug 2021 19:49:09
I think I have said this this before but it's by far the best move for James, he will get to work with an excellent manager who will help improve him, it's the move he should have made instead of coming here originally.


6.) 30 Aug 2021 20:13:47
Nice to see all these compliments to James now after everyone slaughtering him.


7.) 30 Aug 2021 20:20:46
Good deal all round for all parties.


8.) 30 Aug 2021 20:52:51
United Addict, surely common sense demands you look at things in a case by case way.

If the club massively over pay for a player then they should be rightly criticised.

I understand that selling players is slightly different as we tend to sell players who are not good enough for the level we need but are often on inflated wages. Which often means we would need to take lower more realistic fees for the players.

In this case they are selling a player way down the pecking order for a fee greater than we paid for them, and doing so with the minimal fuss.

I like Dan James, he's an honest hard-working lad, I think he's more talented than he is often given credit for. That said I don't think he is good enough to be first choice for a UCL side in the EPL.

Leeds I think will be a good move for him, his hard working and pressing style will fit well with Bielsa. I also think his skillset works better in a team that isn't expected to dominate possession and dictate play. I think he'll get 5-10 goals and 5-10 assists per season playing for Leeds. Which is a solid return.


I wish him the best of luck and hope he had a great career.


9.) 30 Aug 2021 21:51:20
Think everyone has been honest Chris, Dan always comes across well and gave his all but simply his ability is not at the level United require at the moment. Let's see what Biesla cane do with him, hopefully improve his end product.


10.) 31 Aug 2021 02:10:25
I think it’s the few subtle digs at our manager again that I dislike! James will now get to work with a top manager and really improve……. is that the same top manager that has been absolutely thumped twice against our lot you mean! Some people can’t help themselves having a pop at our own club or manager drives me mad! Yesterday it was we’ll probably reward James with a new contract, mediocrity bla bla and now that’s fallen on deaf ears it’s good move to work with bialsa a proper top coach who’ll work wonders with him . 🤣.


11.) 31 Aug 2021 06:21:39
Ole is division 2 manager, unlike you i don't have my head in the sand.


12.) 31 Aug 2021 07:12:42
Football is all about opinions and emotions. People get frustrated with Ole when you see performances like on Sunday, it comes with the territory of being a football manager.
Personally I think he has done very well, improved the playing squad, qualified back to back for the CL, goes on record breaking unbeaten runs, and yet he doesn't seem to be able to get over the final hurdle and win a trophy. The fact everyone is a little unsettled after a few bad performances is a hang-over from the EL final which we really should have won.
This is now a make a break year for Ole, I think he has to win something or like Dan James he would be seen as a nice guy, tried hard but isn't at the level United required.


13.) 31 Aug 2021 07:22:14
Chris

Bielsa plays a different and more entertaining brand of football to Ole. Bielsa is not a negative don’t lose merchant and his style means they are absolutely open to what Ole plays. Dan James will likely be better in a Leeds team that plays that way, instead of a run so far pass inside one. When we bought James we could see that had pace and could run but that isn’t enough if you want to win leagues. Along with James the club are starting to doubt the players Ole has bought, is AWB next given the lack of ability to go forward and the pursuit of Trippier?
Good luck to Dan James at Leeds, will be interesting to see what a good coach like Bielsa does with him, in fact it would be interesting to see what one of the top coaches could do with our team.


14.) 31 Aug 2021 07:28:36
Never have I said Ole is this or that, what I have said is while he’s the manager of my club I’ll support him! Yes I’ll question decisions, get annoyed with decisions he makes like everyone but I’ll also give him credit where and when it’s due!


 

 

06 Aug 2021 22:25:48
Rumour that Inter Milan might look at signing Pogba if they receive a large fee for Lukaku.

No idea if it's true, if Pogba would consider Inter or whether United would accept any bid.

But it would be good if we had more than one side interested in him.


1.) 06 Aug 2021 23:15:12
With PSG seemingly on the cusp of signing Messi, I really can’t see them moving for Pogba this summer, especially if they plan on keeping Mbappe as Poch suggested earlier. At this point, it’s starting to look all but certain that Pogba will be leaving on a free again next summer.

Why would he go to Inter when he could have his pick of the best sides in Europe in six months time while also picking up a hefty signing on bonus? I can’t see it happening, myself. We should have sold him last summer or locked him down to a new contract to protect his value.

The real kicker isn’t that he’ll be leaving for free, but that his high wages may well prevent us from signing a more defensive minded midfielder this summer. We can only hope that he’ll give it his all this season; if not for the club, but for the clubs he’ll be interested in signing him come January. Sadly, one suspects that after he’s signed a pre-contract he’ll offer very little.


2.) 07 Aug 2021 07:20:49
We can all hope shappy but reading ed002's comments on how poor we are at dealing with players who want to leave it doesn't fill me with any confidence we will do what is needed. To know the club in a laughing stock is a sorry state. Looks like we will be going with what we have now for next season.


3.) 07 Aug 2021 09:21:01
@Shappy re:Pogba to Inter.

Highly unlikely. Inter just signed Cahlanoglu who joins Barella, Brozovic and others in midfield. They have other priorities like both wingbacks and a Lukaku replacement, should he leave.

Moreover if they sell Lukaku a considerable part of the transfer fee will go to pay pending debts on the Lukaku transfer from us to them. Some reporters are expecting Intee to spend just about 40m from the Lukaku money.
As a sidenote, inter s owners are financially in trouble and an investment fund was brought in. (Oak tree) .
One of the conditions set by the new agreement with Oaktree is that during this transfer window Inter have to generate €80million net income from transfers in and out.


4.) 07 Aug 2021 09:55:08
Can't see it. They are desperate to lose more players along with Lukaku, and lost a brilliant coach over it. Even if Pogba was available at a cut-down fee I imagine the wages and signing on fee would negate everything they are trying to do. They might take James though, on loan :D.


5.) 07 Aug 2021 21:48:18
If Messi truely loved Barca, he'd play the next two years for free for them.


6.) 08 Aug 2021 01:43:09
Grim,

Why would he do that? I love my wife but I wouldn’t stay with her if she was shagging her boss.


7.) 09 Aug 2021 20:01:40
That's nonsense grim why would he do that?
Work for free?


 

 

15 Jul 2021 15:32:46
So seeing as this is a rumour site I thought I'd pass on an interesting rumour that I have heard today.

Apparently an issue has come up in Sancho's medical which is making United think twice about signing him. They are awaiting the results of further tests.

He was due to be announced today along with the new kit launch but this detail is holding things up.

The club have enquired about Federico Chiesa as a possible alternative if these other tests on Sancho highlight a bigger issue.

Not sure how true this all is, it comes from a friend who is in with a crowd of people in London that includes some players and agents. Sometimes he's on the money, other times not. So like anything take it with a pinch or salt.


1.) 15 Jul 2021 16:19:16
Sancho and Rashford were on a plane together last night heading off for a break. If there was an issue with the medical I think they wouldn't let him go abroad.


2.) 15 Jul 2021 17:08:45
I've got a bridge to sell you Shappy.


3.) 15 Jul 2021 17:12:46
Rosie, I'm not interested in a bridge, but if you've got some magic beans I'm keen 😂.


4.) 15 Jul 2021 18:11:19
I think chiesa is a better player, should have bought him last year, a much cheaper alternative too.


5.) 15 Jul 2021 20:28:56
Hard to buy a player if he doesn't want to leave Italy mind.

{Ed0666's Note - You do what most rich clubs do bribe the player.


6.) 15 Jul 2021 21:18:15
Great rumour about Kalvin Phillips on Leeds page.


7.) 16 Jul 2021 07:40:59
Absolute tosh shappy.


8.) 16 Jul 2021 08:22:34
Shappy you must be the only bloke alive that requires five paragraphs for that limited tosh 😂 😂.

{Ed014's Note - to be fair you got away lightly!


9.) 16 Jul 2021 10:47:13
It's a rumour, probably like 99% of rumours it's probably is a load of tosh. I did say take it with a pinch of salt. But seeing as this is a rumours page, it seemed an appropriate place to talk about a rumour.

as for Kalvin Phillips, to be honest I'd probably prefer him over Rice due to him being a better passer of the ball. I just don't see a Leeds lad through and through moving to United.


10.) 16 Jul 2021 11:13:44
Alan Smith?


11.) 16 Jul 2021 12:11:46
Patrick, I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it's very rare.


12.) 16 Jul 2021 13:20:24
Eric Cantona.


13.) 16 Jul 2021 13:24:11
Joe Jordon
Gordon McQueen
Denis Irwin
Rio Ferdinand

To name a few. Yep, extremely rare 😂.


14.) 16 Jul 2021 14:42:16
Cantona has done a great job in masking that Leeds accent of his, likewise for the others, I mean Irwin gets that Irish accent down to a T.


15.) 16 Jul 2021 15:05:08
Scooby,

Aren’t the first 2 Scottish?


16.) 16 Jul 2021 18:20:27
GDS2. Yes they are. Your point is?
They came from Leeds to United. 🤔.


17.) 16 Jul 2021 19:01:33
Scooby, I said "I just don't see a Leeds lad through and through moving to United".

Meaning a lad born in Leeds/ Yorkshire who has grown up supporting Leeds United.

Jordan and McQueen are Scottish, Cantona French, Irwin Irish and Ferdinand from London.

Signing Kalvin Phillips who was born in Leeds, grew up there and is a boyhood supporter would be like Alan Smith signing. Which went down like a lead balloon with the Leeds fans. Phillips has even spoken about how he felt seeing Smith sign for United when he was a boy and how much he hated it.

It's not an impossible deal, I just think signing Messi for a packet of Quavers would be more realistic and easier to complete.


18.) 16 Jul 2021 19:35:33
Read his post Scrappy Doo. He pointed out that Phiilips was a Leeds lad.


19.) 17 Jul 2021 10:12:28
As Patrick said, Smudge was known as Mr. Leeds United, born and bred in the town when asked once if there was any club he would never play for, he said Man Utd. Then in 2004 he moved to Manchester.


20.) 17 Jul 2021 17:12:34
Scooby,

My point? That they aren’t from Leeds 😂.


 

 

 

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29 Nov 2021 11:42:07
Quite a bit has been discussed about the impact Rangnick might have on the players and the style of football we get to see between now and the end of the season. Yet as an interim there are no guarantees that this sort of style will carry on afterwards. Although you would assume that the club would look to sign a manager who embraces and uses many of the same ideals as Rangnick.

Looking beyond this season one of the aspects I am most looking forward to possibly seeing with the Rangnick association is a much improved transfer strategy.

We have spent over 1bn since Sir Alex left, yet some of our best players in our first team currently came through our academy. Many of the players we have signed have since been moved on after failing to hit the heights required.

Rangnick's insistence on only signing those players that you need, combined with a big trust in youth and creating a youth system that works closely with the first team mean we should see far more hits than we have seen previously. While his vast contacts in the game, from people he's worked with opens up potentially a far greater network from which we can benefit when it comes to negotiating deals.

We've been linked with Tchouameni from AS Monaco for example. Monaco's current DoF is Paul Mitchell a man who has worked closely with Rangnick at RB Leipzig. Surely if we were to go after the young Frenchman then that close relationship can only work in our favour.


1.) 29 Nov 2021 12:11:10
He keeps on about youth and we do have good kids on the fringes, won't do any of the prima donnas any harm to see Elanga, Hannibal breathing down their necks and a manager serious about throwning them in.

Plenty of times this season and last Martial, Brno, Maguire, Shaw, AWB could have been hooked had Ole had the guts to do so.


2.) 29 Nov 2021 12:19:22
So much will need to be going on in the background, for example we can talk about summer transfer plans but by then Ralf won't even be the manager as things stand. So even if it's behind the scenes, Utd should already be working on their next manager and relaying transfer targets. Say Ralf tears it up? Should they be pushing for him to continue as manager for another season?


 

 

28 Nov 2021 13:15:35
"They haven't won the title since he left. At any club, if you cannot get the right players, then you should at least not sign the wrong ones. You are in trouble if you do that in one or two or three consecutive transfer windows. "

"Club building is about building the right squad by transferring the right players away and having more than 50 per cent success rate of bringing in the right players. Then you must have the best possible coaches to develop these players. "

Here are two quotes from Rangnick about the issues United have had since Sir Alex retired.

Two things really stand out and it will be fascinating to see if he can fix them.

The first is this notion of not signing the "wrong" players if you cannot get your preferred option. I think several managers have now complained that the club signed their 3rd, 4th or 5th choice option.

This idea is about not compromising on expensive signings, sign the players you need and not just spend money for the sake of it.

The second thing that stands out for me is "transfering the right players away". Again this has been an issue at our club. Holding onto players because we don't get the fees we want, or to retain an "asset". New contracts to players like Phil Jones is a classic example.

We have a bloated squad and that makes the pathway for young players to break through muddied and difficult. Retaining players for the sake of retaining players.

This isn't just limiting in that it blocks the pathway for our youth players, but the bloated wage bill can make signing players more difficult to remain inside FFP rules. In theory potentially stopping us being able to sign a key player for the first team.

These quotes from Rangnick sound very promising, especially in that he isn't just a manager but will be consulting with the club on the changes they need to become a top modern football side.

Let's hope they listen to him and act on what he says.


1.) 28 Nov 2021 14:49:50
It's been incredibly refreshing reading and watching interviews with him. An absolute stark contrast to Ole. One knows exactly what he wants to implement, listening to him explain the process too and one who learned on the job and spoke many words but said nothing.

I think we all just wanted a plan, a destination to work towards. Still way too early but as you said Shaps, if they actually listen to him then we could become a consistent contender for major trophies.

In terms of incoming players, I don't think we've done too badly I just think they've been let down by really poor coaches. Our outgoings though have always been poor, even during Sir Alexs tenure we were brutal at getting decent prices for players.

Very exciting times ahead. It seems Murtough was the catalyst to get Rangnick which means we have football people making football decisons. Also music to every fans ears is the rumours that Richard Arnold will be very hands off on the football side of things too.

Maybe the penny has finally dropped. There is no sure fire way to guarantee success but we seemed to have turned the corner. 3 points today would be amazing and put us right back in the mix. Who knows what will happen but I'm excited again!


2.) 28 Nov 2021 15:14:17
He is saying the right things and if he believes them then all the better. Fellaini wasn't even required at the time (even if he was, alarmingly, probably Moyes' first choice), but Lindelof (when Maguire or Varane are out) and Fred are pretty much starters and were desperate signings where it was probably a case of them or no-one. Things went Ole's way in his windows but LVG and Mourinho were stung.
But it can't always be the case that we only signing our first choice, all it takes is for Camavinga (already sailed) and West Ham to get stubborn over Rice then Utd are onto a third choice defensive midfielder in summer (again a debatable argument as I suspect many would say Neves or whoever should be first anyway) .


3.) 28 Nov 2021 15:33:54
Mumbles, in terms of fees for players we are selling we will never get top dollar.

Simply put if we are selling a player it is because they aren't good enough. Surely for buying clubs it makes more sense to sign the young up and coming player for a similar fee as we are demanding for a player who has failed to be good enough at the top level. Then when you factor in wages etc it really does become a no brainer. I doubt that will ever change. The only top club that consistently gets good fees for their players is Chelsea, that tends to be because most of their sales are either to other top clubs where a player hasn't failed but just doesn't fit. Or it's a young player they signed and loaned out and have never really given a chance in the first team. It's a very different model to the one most clubs use.

Spenno, Rangnick's idea is to set up a youth system to feed directly into the first team. They bring the best youth players in and train them to fit the club's playing philosophy. Thus if they can't buy the right player they promote a kids instead.


 

 

27 Nov 2021 18:29:10
While tactics, formations, and which players will and won't benefit from the new manager have all been discussed. One thing I'm interested to see is does he have an impact on transfer strategy.

Obviously it's pointless suggesting potential targets that suit his style of football as any signings made will likely be for a different manager altogether.

Yet Rangnick has been very clear about the importance of signing players that suit the club's vision and profile. He has said before about not signing players over 24, which does suit the kind of age where we have had the most success with out signings.

So many aspects to look forward to with this appointment, so much hope.


1.) 27 Nov 2021 19:47:40
Shappy it seems he is going to be the guy to go to.
Everyone in place will look to him.
He offers a safe bet in young up an coming players who won't cost the earth but can be molded into a new ethos.
Likely they won't be ready made. so cheaper.
Which ticks our owners box.
It's a win win tbh.


2.) 27 Nov 2021 20:06:18
Isnt this where the lines get blurred now we know he is staying for 2 further years after the end of the season with a remit to define a playing style if we believe what's been written this week

I don't see him spending big in January of course but if he is this tactical genius with a vison of how we should be playing and within 3 weeks of arriving and coaching the squad he decides the team needs Franck Kessie (e. g) this season to implement his style of play and UTDS style of play going forward with the next manager, and beleives a team with Franck Kessie is essential and will benefit Utd for the next 5 years with Poch or Ten Hag then doesn't he go out and buy him in January, surely that's what succession planning is?


 

 

26 Nov 2021 11:05:29
Line in one of the gutter rags suggests the club did not consult Sir Alex when it came to the appointment of Ralf Rangnick.

Interesting if true, as it suggests a shift in where the power lies at Old Trafford.

Sir Alex has since his retirement been the go to man for football matters at the club.

So if true what has changed? The rumours are the Murtagh is a "key man" in searching for Ole's replacement. Has his impact been heard and is the seemingly smart decision to hire Rangnick something that has his fingerprints all over or not.


1.) 26 Nov 2021 11:43:30
I think it is down to the fact that Woodward's successor learned from his mistakes and probably doesn't want to be subjected to the same level of scrutiny.


2.) 26 Nov 2021 11:49:09
Saw that too - Murtagh heavily involved in Rangnicks recruitment -also reading elsewhere that Rangnick was adamant before committing that the academy and development, implementing a playing style all comes under his remit going forward

Who knows if that's true so much clickbait in the rags . but its certainly encouraging if correct.


3.) 26 Nov 2021 17:05:05
The academy and development was Murtough domain, so that would mean him delegating it out the Ralf, interesting power shift maybe.


 

 

25 Nov 2021 09:56:36
So it looks like PSG are unwilling to let Pochettino leave mid-season. This is apparently due to them not wanting to look "weak" with other clubs coming in and taking their manager, as well as concerns over whether Zidane will be happy to take over mid-season.

It seems that they would rather sack Pochettino in February if PSG get knocked out the UCL than see a rival club take their manager from them. Even for a significant fee (which in fairness to a team as wealthy as PSG probably means very little) .

As such it looks like United have stepped up their search for an interim manager until the end of the season. With a 5 man short list in the process of being interviewed. Ralf Rangnick, Lucien Favre, Rudi Garcia, Ernesto Valverde and Paulo Fonseca.

It's an interesting list, personally I'd lean towards Rangnick and Favre as they are older and less likely to want the job full time if they did well.

Valverde plays poor football and I think wouldn't fit well.

Fonseca plays good football but his team's are defensively suspect so he wouldn't sort out our main weakness. Plus being 48 years old I'd expect him to want a chance at getting the job if he does well. While for some reason both Spurs and Newcastle overlooked him after interviewing him, which raises alarm bells.

Rudi Garcia is a very good manager who plays attractive football. But again is young enough to want to keep the job if he does well.

For me Rangnick makes most sense as I would like him to move upstairs after his stint as manager and help sort out our failing structure. Yet for the club maybe Favre makes most sense, mid 60's so isn't a long term option, plays good football, well organised teams, develops players. While probably not demanding a role beyond his short stint as manager.


1.) 25 Nov 2021 10:55:57
Rangnick as DoF with Poch as manager will transform our club.
Poch will bring an identity with attacking philosophy.


2.) 25 Nov 2021 12:35:06
TRD, Rangnick wanting a role at the club beyond being a temporary manager I think probably stops him getting the job. Which is a shame as I think he is exactly what we need.

If the club are going to continue with Murtagh and Fletcher then Lucien Favre is probably the best option available.


3.) 25 Nov 2021 13:58:33
I mean is anyone going to talk about the fact that Valverde is almost definitely a vampire? Big Dracula head up on him. Wake up sheeple, we are letting vampire into a club already infested with leeches.


4.) 25 Nov 2021 14:06:09
Danny are you getting him confused with unai emery or drac to his mates.


5.) 25 Nov 2021 14:22:53
Valverde is way more vampire. Emery is just Spanish Gary Neville.


6.) 25 Nov 2021 14:39:26
To be fair to take the United job on a 6 month deal with no chance of getting the job long term and just destroy your reputation as you get slated from every angle you would need to be a bit of a "sucker".


 

 

 

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01 Dec 2021 12:51:42
It's just media speculation, they always link former players to a manager at a new club. All about getting clicks.

The reality is that Rangnick isn't the long term manager, unless a long term target is available in January I doubt we'll sign someone. While next summer if all goes to plan Rangnick won't be our manager and you would therefore assume that any targets would be for the new manager and what that manager feels he needs to implement his style.

Obviously the idea is that the next manager plays a similar style, but that doesn't mean they will want the same players as Rangnick might want.

Nkunku looks a really good player and is tactically clever enough to play multiple different roles across the front line and in midfield.

Haaland is just a pipe dream for most and is a big name who'll attract a lot of attention when you throw his name in with United. We don't deal with his agent, and he doesn't want to join us.

Haidara, decent but nothing special, could be useful in playing a specific style, but he hasn't really played any other style to know if he could adapt and maintain or improve his current level.

Werner is just a silly one.

Personally I'd be surprised if we sign anyone in January, while the summer signings will surely be made with the next full time manager in mind.


 

 

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29 Nov 2021 08:14:56
He's done wonders at Sporting taken them back to the top and has them playing great football.

He's very young for a manager (36 I think), so while he's one to keep an eye on for the future I don't think he's anywhere near ready for a club the size of ours.


 

 

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26 Nov 2021 10:49:31
I think there is some confusion between politics and social issues that are both present in society and football.

Politics are merely policies based on ideologies around solving a perceived issue within our society. How valid that issue may be or the political view point held by people creating these policies is what everyone debates.

Politics and football should never cross paths. One is vitally important to the running and direction of society the other is a hugely popular sport. The idea of aligning political ideologies with sport and particularly sport clubs is dangerous as sports clubs and those connected with sports clubs tend to get unquestioned support.

Political thought and ideologies by their very nature need to be constantly challenged and questioned, without it you get people supporting a corrupt politician simply because they are on "your side" of the political divide.

It's like defending a former player whose convicted of a crime because he played for your side, when you would never support someone else who committed the same crime.

The power of sport and the kind of loyalty it demands makes people move their moral compass inorder to fit the current narrative.

That's why connecting sports and politics is dangerous as it brings an unwavering support for something that you may not actually support at all.

That doesn't mean that things like racism that exist in football shouldn't be tackled by football. Of course the social issues that exist in our game should be addressed. But they need to be done by the people within our game in a way that fits the structure of our game. Football should not be adopting a political movement even one tied to what is considered a positive movement.

If you want a perfect example of why sport and politics should never mix have a read into the 1936 Berlin Olympic games. A perfect example of the dangers of normalising political ideologies through sport.


 

 

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25 Nov 2021 18:45:23
Not really a plan, they sacked a guy and interviewed candidates interested in an interim position. Then hired who they think is the best of the available options. It just so happens that most fans agree with them this time.

No plan in place, but with Rangnick coming in that might be the start of one.


 

 

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25 Nov 2021 15:39:59
GDS, I'm not sure about that. I think PSG just aren't prepared to let him go early.

However, if Rangnick will have a role within the club beyond his interim manager stay then I'd rather wait for someone like Pochettino or EtH than get them in now and not have a real footballing person have a say in the running of the club.


 

 

 

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02 Dec 2021 14:26:41
Exactly Ken, I didn't bother writing posts specifically about Jose once he left.

I may have referenced back to him when comparing what was happening to what had happened before.

But I didn't write posts about him once he was gone. It was never personal with me and Jose. I respect him as a manager, and even liked him when he was clever, articulate and cheeky earlier in his career. His attitude soured while at Real Madrid, and he carried that with him to Chelsea and us. I never thought he was a good fit for our club, and in the end I guess I was proven right. I backed him to start his third season having felt he had earned the right after a decent second place finish. Although had reservations about how he was handling things. It then totally unraveled in his third year, yeah shock right, and it became apparent that he needed to leave.

My issues where that I thought his handling of the players was outdated, and in some cases borderline bullying. His tactics and style of play were never my cup of tea. While I also had concerns about his ability/ intention to blood youngsters.

I'm happy to discuss any of this if asked or prompted. But I don't and didn't just write posts knocking a manager after they left.


 

 

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02 Dec 2021 13:00:01
Red Man, you accuse everyone of wanting to look back. Yet from what I've seen on here over the past week is everyone excited and looking forward to the club's new direction under a new manager.

The only person who is repeatedly looking backwards and starting conversations about our now ex-manager is you.

If you want to look forward then forget Ole, forget everything that happened under him, it's all history now. Instead maybe talk about what the future, what your thoughts and hopes are for the new manager and beyond.

It is you who is the broken record stuck with Ole on repeat. Ole seems to be living rent free in your head and you just don't know how to shift him.

You're worried about how the rest of the world will view us putting up a flag as a symbol to say that Ole still has a place in the hearts and minds of United fans. It's a flag, they get put up and taken down all the time. It's not a statute, we aren't renaming a stand after him, we won't be playing at the Solskjaer arena, it'll still be Old Trafford.

It's a god damn flag that 99% of the non-United fans will never know about let alone care about. Most United fans will probably never know of it. It'll be tomorrow's chip wrapper before you know it.

Since Ole has been sacked there has been maybe 12 posts about Ole, of which you have posted 10 of them.

Get over it, the more you post about Ole, even after he's been sacked, the more it just comes across like a personal vendetta.


 

 

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02 Dec 2021 11:12:22
Bolger, the season isn't officially over, but is as good as for us in terms of a title challenge.

If we go on an unbelievable run and win 21 of our remaining 25 games losing 2 and drawing 2 we'll have 83 points come the end of the season.

But would need City, Chelsea and Liverpool to each drop at least 23 points (the equivalent of losing 7 games and drawing 1 from their remaining 24 games) to win the league.

One of them might have a bad run of form, but not all of them.

While that scenario only works if we win 21 of our remaining 25 games with only 2 losses.

The reality is we will probably drop more than that, which means we need the three best teams in Europe currently to ALL draw or lose around HALF of their remaining 24 games.

A league challenge is gone, if we are very lucky we might be able to pinch 3rd.

For us the league is over, we need to focus on the cups and on getting this squad into shape for the next manager.


 

 

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02 Dec 2021 11:05:12
DLIB, any manager that comes in part the way through the season will have to implement a radically different style if they are to turn things around.

The previous manager was sacked because his system wasn't working. So whoever was to come in would have to mix things up and change how we are playing.

If the plan is to hire a manager who using a pressing style in the summer then having a temporary manager who understands and has a proven track record of implementing such a style means that the next manager isn't starting at ground zero and will have a group of players who have spent 6 months learning a similar style of play. Surely making any transition between managers much smoother.

As for the coaches, yes they have been poor under Ole. How much control or independence they had over coaching sessions under Ole no one knows. But I'd expect Rangnick to control the coaching sessions. He'll decide what is needed and how those sessions will be run. He'll then expect the coaches to carry out his instructions.

Any half decent coach can run a session that has been designed by someone else. The best coaches can come up with and adapt sessions to suit the players.

As long as they can follow instructions it shouldn't be too big of a problem.

On of Rangnick's biggest successes during his career has been his ability to improve the coaches he works with.

While the reality of sacking them all and allowing Rangnick to bring in an entire coaching team for 6 months is ridiculous.

I expect he'll bring 1 or 2 key people in with him. Probably to officially fill roles that currently don't exist.

As for his authority, I'd argue he has more than a traditional manager. He'll have a say over players long term futures at the club in his consultancy role.

While a lot is made about whether the players will respect him and follow his instructions. The truth is players are people just like us. And just like us they have a manager overseeing and setting them their work. Have you ever looked up a managers CV or past positions to decide whether you will listen to them? Or do you base it on what they say and how they treat you. If the manager is talking sense and is being fair then you'll listen to them and follow their instructions.

Rangnick is an experienced coach who has never had a problem getting players to buy into his ideas. He is intelligence and articulate, and he understands footballers and their psyche.

Too many media outlets are questioning whether Ronaldo will run around like a headless chicken or become a pressing monster under Rangnick. That's just poor analysis and setting a crazy unrealistic expectation.

Rangnick often plays with a front two and given our squad it probably makes sense to continue with a variation of that. With his front two he has one player look to press and the other to cut off the passing lanes and force the opposition to pass towards the touchline. All Ronaldo will need to do is learn to cut off the passing lane back to a CB. He doesn't have to chase and make tackles, just make sure he is between the CB and the player on the ball.

Most players when they see a quality and intensity to the coaching, and they start to see improvements in their own game they will be more than happy with Rangnick.


 

 

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02 Dec 2021 09:11:41
DLIB, this season will be what it will be. Personally I think it's about making the best of it for the rest of this season.

Arguably the three best teams in Europe atm all play in the EPL. With only maybe Bayern Munich able to genuinely say they are currently playing at a similar level. Both Barcelona and Real Madrid are in the middle of a transitional period, as are Juventus, while PSG still flatter to deceive.

Are there any other sides in Europe with the same quality of players, putting in as good performances, consistently? I don't think so.

While we are entering another transitional stage and obviously won't be at the level to genuinely compete.

I don't see Rangnick as the saviour, but a potential move in the right direction. Rather than hire the wrong man because the right one isn't available the club are making a much more sensible move.

While bringing in someone like Rangnick shows the potential for a serious look at shaking things up. Whether that comes to pass I get we'll have to wait and see.

His title as consultant I think is just a way to make sure the boat isn't rocked too much.

Apparently the decision to hire Rangnick was taken without consulting Sir Alex, which if true is a huge relief. While the decision was driven my John Murtaugh, someone with some footballing background. While the rumours of Richard Arnold wanting to take a more hands off approach to the footballing aspects compared to Ed Woodward is another promising rumour.

Murtaugh apparently spent sometime at visiting RB and is a fan of Rangnick. Which is what lead him to push for his appointment. That again suggests that while Rangnick's direct powers might be more limited as a consultant, it appears that the running of the footballing activities will be left to Murtaugh and Fletcher, both of which are likely to lean heavily on Rangnick and take his opinions seriously. Which of course having someone with such experience holding such sway over people who will be left to make key decisions is a promising thought.

Will it work, or are the rumours just being leaked to quell fan unrest and keep us happy and compliant? Only time will tell.

However, I've never thought the owners WANT the club to be run poorly, just that they don't actually know HOW to run a club well. They have generally taken a hands off approach and delegated to others. Their mistake has been to delegate to people who either don't know what they are doing or who have their own agenda.

Woodward has always struck me as egotistical, hopefully Arnold is more humble and prepared to listen to the right people and bow to their greater understanding.

In the end it's all just hopes and maybe dreams until it becomes reality.

At the very least this gives us hope that things MIGHT start to change, that we maybe realising the mistakes of the past and moving to rectify them. Obviously only time will tell.