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11 Sep 2019 06:06:16
Utter disgrace if the rumours are true about giving Lingard and Lindelof extended contracts. Does this club never learn. Probably give them a massive rise too.

Blackpool Red

{Ed047's Note - didn’t they give Smalling and Jones new contracts? so anything’s possible.


1.) 11 Sep 2019 08:02:55
Weren't you all singing Lindelof's praises at the start of the season?

He's a good defender, but with an obvious weakness in his physicality. Similar player to our own Christensen in fact. If you ask me, extending Lindelof would be the right move. And Lingard is a useful squad player I'd say. You need those as well.


2.) 11 Sep 2019 08:26:46
What's wrong with giving Lindelof a new contract? He's everyone's first choice CB alongside Maguire.


3.) 11 Sep 2019 08:42:11
So you'd rather let them run their contracts down and leave for free?

At least with a contract if they leave we will get a fee.

And they are both decent players, internationals and first team players.

{Ed047's Note - and there lies one of your major problems, if they are the way ahead as players capable of winning the big ones then in the words of Turkish, “Your proper f’d” 😉


4.) 11 Sep 2019 09:01:05
Lindelof is a good centre half.

{Ed047's Note - compared to Chris Smalling or Phil Jones?


5.) 11 Sep 2019 10:58:00
Maybe spend another 80 million on Keane, then him and Maguire can be the new chuckle brothers.


6.) 11 Sep 2019 10:58:58
Lindelof was our best player last season. And he's halfway through his contract so yes he's due for contract talks and an extension. He's made a couple of mistakes this season but is miles ahead of the three stooges.

Lingard only signed a new deal something like 18 months ago so shouldn't be being offered another one at this moment in time.


7.) 11 Sep 2019 17:32:53
Fishing surely 🎣🐟👌👏.


8.) 11 Sep 2019 21:16:07
We reward mediocrity.


9.) 12 Sep 2019 10:22:53
Lindleof is a great CB and is still relatively young in his position. Was solid last year and can form a good partnership with Maguire.

Lingard I'm not sold on though. doesn't offer much on the pitch for me. A good back up player but should never be starting games for us.


10.) 12 Sep 2019 13:36:47
All the problems we have and you choose to get annoyed about us giving one of our best defenders a new contract?

Some fans are strange.


11.) 12 Sep 2019 17:59:04
Gds2.This is where the problem lies. Yes he might of been one of our best defenders but that doesn’t say much these days. He’s not physically strong enough in my eyes to be a top drawer centre half in our league. He doesn’t come close to McGrath Bruce Pallister Johnsen Stam Rio or Vidic. i'm not saying he’s a bad player but we need better if we want to close the gap.


12.) 12 Sep 2019 19:35:43
My opinion that has been so since before the Summer is that we needed 2 new CBS. Maguire is great and Lindelof is a good defender but he isn’t strong enough in the air. I think it’s time we have Tuanzebe a chance.


13.) 13 Sep 2019 10:35:42
"Maguire is great" Giggsy? What is he great at? Not defending that I am sure. What is he great at other than heading a ball. Lindelof is a better player overall in my view. Maguire is decent but he isn't half the player media is making him out to be


But it all personal opinion though and judging by my track record I am likely in the wrong.


14.) 13 Sep 2019 19:56:33
Deependra I completely agree with you.


15.) 14 Sep 2019 08:54:48
Lindelof and Maguire are both better than we had and need time to form a partnership and need a settled choice of fullbacks alongside them. Are their better out there - probably - but give these guys a chance. Our priority transfer area is midfield now anyway, not defence.


 

 

 

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06 May 2021 09:59:18
As good as city are how lucky have they been to have virtually no competition in the champions league, barring Bayern every other team is below average. Why did we have to face probably the best club side there's ever been in 2 finals. I'm not bitter HONEST.

Blackpool Red

1.) 06 May 2021 10:22:51
Yep with Real, Barcelona and Juve all struggling this year with ageing squads and coming to the end of their cycle, it has worked out well for city.

But they are comfortably the best team in europe at the moment all things considered and deserve to be in the final on merit.

I think the kicker for us has to be chelsea, in january they were languishing in 9/ 10th position in the league under lampard, basically where arsenal were and just like that bringing in tuchel a quality coach have turned their season around.

It makes going out to leipzig all the more difficult to take as i feel with the poor quality in the champions league this season we could have potentially followed a similar route to the final as chelsea have done.


2.) 06 May 2021 14:04:44
Bayern are still the best side in Europe for me. Gnabry and Lewandowski they missed massively against PSG and I believe they would have sailed through if they were both available.


3.) 06 May 2021 15:45:22
I say fair play to them and well done on getting this far.
Not much Blackpool🤣🤣.


4.) 06 May 2021 16:08:13
A lot of teams are struggling or rebuilding but this City team is very very good. I expect them to win it.


5.) 06 May 2021 17:00:51
They are a brilliant team but how good will they be when Pep leaves?
I think he's the reason why they are so consistently good.
It's going to be almost impossible to replace like we found out when Fergie left.


6.) 06 May 2021 19:26:33
As much as I can't stand City I don't think there is any doubt that they have been the best and most consistent team this year.
They have skill and tough players across the pitch. Foden is starting to look a real quality player.


 

 

07 Apr 2021 14:49:46
It all seems to be imploding at the scousers. My sons best mate is Liverpool's 3rd keeper who was on the bench last night. Looks like Klopp might be gone sooner than we thought and also Salah

Salah wants out and Klopp was heard saying to his assistant, he can't take any more of this rubbish and anymore and he's off back to Germany

My lad always rinses his mate calling him fake as he was an Everton fan

As much as I despise them his mate is a good kid and it's all good banter.

Blackpool Red

{Ed077's Note -love these kinds of posts. Keep em coming. Losing Klopp would be a big blow for them if he left but I highly doubt it.


1.) 07 Apr 2021 15:34:19
I'd love to believe this, yet the keeper on Liverpool's bench last night was the 34 year old Adrian and not their third choice Kelleher.


2.) 07 Apr 2021 15:34:57
To be honest Blackpool, I don't think you should be naming the kid on your post. It would be very easy to figure who he is and I don't think it will do his career any good to know he's telling people Klopp is off.


3.) 07 Apr 2021 15:18:01
Ed77

Everybody says stuff in the heat of the moment but here’s hoping.

{Ed077's Note - Oh I didn't think it was a serious post. Losing Salah and Klopp would be too much of a rebuilding job for anyone.


4.) 07 Apr 2021 18:04:10
Shappy he’s not there 3rd keeper normally just has been on the bench for the last 2 champions league games. He’s 17.I don’t make rubbish up


5.) 07 Apr 2021 18:10:59
Good post BR I love the old school gossip rumours🤣 You can belive BR.


6.) 07 Apr 2021 18:11:06
Shappy there was a 3rd goalkeeper among their squad last night. So it's entirely believable.


7.) 07 Apr 2021 18:23:21
Fair enough Blackpool, I didn't think you were the type to make things up. Apologies if I've caused offence.

I just saw Adrian was on the bench and assumed that they wouldn't name two keepers on the bench.

I've since double checked and can see the lad you've mentioned, but I won't name him here.

Very interesting information, maybe it was just a heat of the moment thing. It's been a traumatic year for Klopp losing his mother and not being allowed to go to the funeral. I certainly wouldn't blame him for wanting to readdress where he lives and works after that, especially with how things have gone for him this season.

I guess it's a wait and see, although sadly Liverpool are good at recruitment and will replace Klopp well, just as they replaced Rodgers well.


8.) 07 Apr 2021 18:48:25
I don’t take offence at anything Shappy. At the end of the day were all reds and want what’s best for Utd
I could tell you a lot about both Utd’s academy and Liverpool’s as my lad has been at both and it ain’t pretty reading. Most coaches still think bigger is better.


9.) 07 Apr 2021 20:22:01
Even though we are United supporters, I think we all have a lot of time for Klopp. It will be a sad loss to the premiership when he does eventually leave.

Have to agree with Mumbles as well, no need to give too much away about who the player was. Stuff like that getting out doesn't go down too well at clubs and it only takes one of the journos that read this page to publish it and the player could be in real trouble.


10.) 08 Apr 2021 09:23:42
No time for him sooner he goes the better.


11.) 08 Apr 2021 10:13:38
I'm pretty sure things would have to get much worse before Klopp throws the towel in. It looks extremely likely they won't progress in the CL and there is a good chance they won't make top 4, but I think they will. I expect Klopp to at least start there next season but if it continues to deteriorate then who knows. VVD will be back by then too. They're still being linked with other CBs as they didn't resolve the issue as it was midseason and no decent ones were available. Kabak is only on loan and hasn't really impressed. Add Konate to the mix and things look better defensively.
However I do expect one of the three strikers to leave, most likely Salah although arguably Firminho would make more sense as Jota has looked excellent when coming in for him.


12.) 08 Apr 2021 10:55:13
If Klopp leaves Liverpool then Utd should go all out to bring to OT. I don't care that he was previously managing the scouse.


13.) 08 Apr 2021 11:22:02
Klopp will never manage United, He turned us down once before and he has too much integrity to manage us now he has been a part of Liverpool.

I think we should be looking to the next great manager rather than trying to get a few more miles out of the last great one. It didn't really work out well for us with LvG and Jose.

There are some very good manager with a similar mentality/ style to football management around atm. Marco Rose, Jesse Marsch, Roger Schmidt, Hansi Flick (to and extent), Ralph Hasenhuttl, and of course Julian Nagelsmann.

All of which play variants of pressing football, rather than possession based football.


14.) 08 Apr 2021 12:34:53
The Nagelmeister will make a great manager when he steps up. I see Spurs as a potential side for any of those candidates Shappy, esp Hasenhuttl. True to form, Mourinho's tenure has gone rotten. You can't continually lay into your own players publicly like he does. It's unprofessional and unlikeable.


15.) 08 Apr 2021 12:46:28
I would take potter or hassenhutl at united. With the right players, they can be excellent to watch.


16.) 08 Apr 2021 14:22:35
Potter?
Admittedly I hadn't thought of the boy wizard.
Does he have it in him to step up?

{Ed077's Note - we wont know for sure until he gets a "top" job}


17.) 08 Apr 2021 17:38:38
Potter has England manager written all over him.


18.) 08 Apr 2021 17:43:09
Agreed Shappy. No chance Klopp would change to Utd but I'd still snap him up at OT without question.


19.) 08 Apr 2021 23:17:43
agree angel.


 

 

04 Apr 2021 17:29:33
Supposed team
Henderson
Wan Bissaka
Lindelof
Maguire
Shaw
Fred
Pogba
Bruno
Rashford
Cavani
Greenwood

Let's see.

Blackpool Red

{Ed077's Note - nothing abnormal here


1.) 04 Apr 2021 18:06:25
Good team. Good to see pogba back. Less defensive looking with only 1 natural holder.
Good to see cavani back.
3 points today and our top 4 spot is nearly cemented.
Its all about the EL. For me then.
Obviously want to win as many points as possible and finish as high as possible but if top 4 is secure the el begins to take preference.
Let's hope we win tonight and increase that buffer.


2.) 04 Apr 2021 18:23:58
Probably our strongest XI.
Has Henderson ousted De Gea?


 

 

03 Mar 2021 17:48:21
Leaked team for tonight
Henderson
Wan Bissaka
Bailly
McGuire
Shaw
Matic
Fred
Bruno
Greenwood
Rashford
Cavani

Let's see if it's right.

Blackpool Red

1.) 03 Mar 2021 17:55:00
I really hope McGuire is a new centre backs that replaced the resident fridge.


2.) 03 Mar 2021 18:30:50
Fresh 😂.


3.) 03 Mar 2021 19:19:31
spot on Blackpool.


4.) 03 Mar 2021 19:28:53
De Gea not even in squad. Ole says its for personal reasons.


5.) 03 Mar 2021 22:14:55
Yeah personaly thinks he was playing crap🤣.


 

 

22 Feb 2021 14:58:55
What would people's view be on naming rights for the stadium for a set period of say 5 years but the money had to go improving the stadium and transfers only not in the Glazers pocket. Yes I know it would be a pipe dream to even think they wouldn't pocket any money.

Blackpool Red

1.) 22 Feb 2021 15:11:40
SAUDI ARAMCO ARENA. Has a decent ring to it lol.


2.) 22 Feb 2021 16:36:12
No. Just no!
The Glazers, whilst I detest them, have made plenty of money available for transfers. The money hasn’t been well spent by the right people.


3.) 22 Feb 2021 16:37:30
Not for me, Football needs to find a better balance between making money and keeping its soul.

The Glazers own Manchester United, ultimately it is their responsibility and really in their best interest to maintain the quality of their asset. So should be paying to maintain and improve the stadium.

The have found over a billion pounds for transfer fees and gods knows how much for wages and agents fees over the past 8 years. Fixing the stadium would cost a fraction of that.


4.) 22 Feb 2021 18:37:50
No - I hate these ‘branded’ stadiums.


5.) 22 Feb 2021 18:50:54
the stadium needs serious investment. i'm not in favour of using a sponsored name. But someone has to pay so it will come at the cost of squad investment primarily. More long finger stuff from the owners when it comes to club infrastructure.


6.) 22 Feb 2021 23:19:09
As mentioned above the Glazers have spent plenty funding player acquisitions. Not their fault so much was wasted by people they trusted to have a superior football knowledge to their own. They don't deserve such opprobrium.

If at all possible I would prefer there not to be ground naming rights but of it meant it resultes in a better aquas which consistently won titles then so be it.

{Ed0666's Note - I’m with you I think the Glazers are treated unfairly. What more can they do? They have dished out gazzilions season after season players yet they still get bashed. I don’t get it. By the way I loved the word OPPROBRIUM.


7.) 23 Feb 2021 00:33:48
Has anyone put our name down for the next council house that comes available in Manchester?


8.) 23 Feb 2021 06:33:37
The Glazers have spent the square root of sod all on anything, players or ground. They have put absolutely no money into the club themselves, so let’s stop this acceptance of their ownership.

They take their rightful dividends and whilst I haven’t reviewed accounts recently I believe there used to be consultancy fees as well.

They have saddled the club with hundreds of millions of debt that has done nothing at all for the club and the cost of such debt is well over a billion pounds since their takeover.

The ground is in need of update but don’t expect too much of that at all. It will be harder to justify their dividends in a financial mess so naming rights to get money in may well suit them to ensure continued dividends. It honestly made me sick to see our manager praise them the other day.

The Glazers have never spent a penny of their own money not the “gazillions” mentioned.


9.) 23 Feb 2021 08:27:57
Nobody can argue with the money spent on improving the squad, we’ve seen millions upon millions on player transfers and wages.

That money has been almost entirely wasted. The people in charge of where the pounds are spent are truly clueless and we see the same mistakes window to window, chasing what we can’t have and then over spending on 4th, 5th and 6th choice.

So yes we’ve absolutely had investment. We’ve spent just about as much as anyone else.

But I don’t feel sorry for the Glazers one bit. They might not make the decisions as to who we sign and who we renew, but they do employ the people making those decisions. They have the power to make personnel changes but it seems they’re happy with our current setup and until that changes we’ll have to continue to put up with the amateurs.


10.) 23 Feb 2021 09:41:41
When the City owners were putting a billion pound into their club over the course of a decade, we were spending a billion pound paying interest on a loan that has only been partially paid off.

This was when £30 million got you Aguero, Silva. Now £30 million gets you Diallo.

Watching Fergie say "There's no value in the market" is akin your father saying "We're not getting McDonalds, we have burgers at home".

Not for one instance saying we havnt spent money, but a billion pound in football, especially from the mid 2000s to now, could have made us the into the biggest club in the world.

There's plenty of money in football now. We're not at the top table anymore but we pretend we are, and that's all that matters.


11.) 23 Feb 2021 11:04:15
Personally I don't have anything against getting money this way, Esp if it is used to refurbish OT. It will always be known to us as old trafford a bit like st. james and sports direct. Names like Amazon Field and Microsoft Stadium (LOL) won't bother me knowing it will eventually revert to OT.


12.) 23 Feb 2021 11:47:47
If Old Trafford is to be refurbished then I think it only fair that there is a consultation process with the fans. My feeling for a while is that the way the parts and sections of the ground is marketed are like the sections of an aircraft. There is a premium experience with executive boxes and top cuisine and then match day experiences and finally the bulk of fans who bring in the majority of the matchday income are given sub-standard access (often crowded entrances and stairways) and exorbitant prices for refreshment and poor toilet areas.
Is this the way to reward loyalty. No wonder a lot of fans don't go regularly anymore.


13.) 23 Feb 2021 11:54:41
and yet they do nothing about the clowns wasting the money.


14.) 23 Feb 2021 11:49:53
maybe change this part of the website to the Utd Persiflage Page.


15.) 23 Feb 2021 13:36:28
spot on dazw.


16.) 23 Feb 2021 13:46:30
Redman. They own the club. Every penny spent is out of their pockets because if its not spent they would be entitled to take it.
Why should they put their own personal money into it.
The 2 lads that just bought asda have put none of their personal money in. Why should they?
Nothing wrong with the debt levels at United at all. Very serviceable and in great proportions to turnover.
Why should they spend their own cash? Very few owners of business that size in any sphere find company expenditure from their own pocket.


17.) 23 Feb 2021 14:32:50
Ken, you make fair points, but the counter argument is that because of how they bought the club, they have used club generated funds to service a debt they loaded onto the club. Very clever, very astute, but ultimately it has taken a phenomenal amount of money out of the club and into the hands of the banks. Money that could have been spent on players, OT, better training facilities, or God forbid, lower ticket prices.


18.) 23 Feb 2021 15:20:27
Tony, when we say about the huge amount of money that goes out to service the loan, there tends to be a general assumption that if the debt wasn't there then that cash would be spent on the club and not just leaving in dividends to the owners.

The truth is very few clubs since 2013 have out spent us world wide. The problem isn't a lack of spending, but a lack of leadership and direction at board level at our club.

I agree that for a period of time the debt certainly adversely impacted our ability to spend. Back between 2006-2013 the debt meant we couldn't keep up with the spending of new cash rich clubs such as PSG and City. Especially during the global economic crash we had to tighten our belts, and Sir Alex had to come out and say there was no value in the transfer market. Simply put during such financially unstable times we couldn't afford to get in to bidding wars with clubs that had bottomless pits of cash, and would always be able to throw an extra 5m on top of any fee we offered and an extra 20k a week for wages.

However since 2013 when the financial situation was more stable and the club had go the debt under control I doubt there are many if any side that has out spent us.

I fail to see how the Glazers are to blame for Di Maria flopping, or Sanchez, or the club massively overspending on players like Pogba, Lukaku and Maguire, all of whom were really only worth about half of what we paid for them at most.

Our poor defence isn't through a lack of spending, AWB 50m, Dalot 20m, Lindelof 32m, Rojo 16m, Bailly 35m, Maguire 80m, Shaw 30m, Alex Telles 16m. That's the best part of 280m worth of defenders. We spent Rolls Royce money on a fleet of Skoda's. That isn't due to a lack of funds but a lack of understanding and direction from the board.

With roughly 300m spent on midfielders (Schneiderlin, Blind, Schweinstieger, Herrera, Fellaini, Fred, Donny and Pogba) it isn't a lack of spending that has caused McFred to be our best midfield pairing, but quite simply poor recruitment.

Same thing when people are crying out for 120m to be spent on Sancho or Haaland, saying we need quality forwards. Well we spent 320m on Mata, Di Maria, Falcao, Depay, Martial, Mkhitaryan, Ibrahimovic, Lukaku, Sanchez and James.

Those figures are just what we have spent on transfer fees and don't take into consideration agents fees, wages or the increase in wages and agents fees paid when renegotiating player contracts.

Over 1 billion in transfer fees and at least 500m on wages and agents fees over a 8 year period should be more than sufficient to be a top side challenging for major honours on all fronts. Many of our rivals are doing so on much less than we spent and was in a far poorer position than we were 8 years ago in terms of quality of squad.

We are where we are not due to a lack of spending, as quite clearly there has been plenty of spending. No we are where we are due to an incompetence at board level, people unwilling to let go of power, but without the needed skills or knowledge to wield that power. No clear vision or direction, rudderless and completely devoid of knowhow. We have Woodward boasting how much money we have then looking bemused when clubs expect us to pay top dollar for their players.

Total inadequacy, incompetence, and shameless power grabbing by utter armatures.

The only thing we can blame the Glazers for is not sacking the lot of them and bringing in people who know what they are doing.

{Ed0666's Note - who the fook are you? Whoever you are mate you deserve a medal post of the day! And the grammar police said you couldn’t use paragraphs.


19.) 23 Feb 2021 15:33:44
Shaps, the only thing I am blaming them for is using the club's own money to buy the club and service the debt.

Who knows what else the money would have been used for but we would have been able to outbid pretty much everybody for any player.

{Ed077's Note - which we have done in almost every case. We have very rarely been outbid for any player who was willing to come to us.}


20.) 23 Feb 2021 17:00:42
Spot on Mumbles. the amount of players Fergie missed out on was terrible. Either that of the scouting system was non existent.


21.) 23 Feb 2021 17:44:52
Simo, I think the difference is that Fergie didn't need to by Di Maria, Falcao, Schweinsteiger, Pogba, Sanchez and Ibrahimovic. We didn't get Ronaldinho so we got Ronaldo and so on.

I think we've over-spent as a way to compensate for not having the best manager since post-Ferguson. It could be that the amateurs approach was to bring in the biggest names and they'll win us the league.

With Fergie we had a manager capable of relating to players and recruiting players based on their personalities and potential. Left field signing became legends because of mentality.

We've not had that since Fergie retired. Moyes wasn't up to it, LVG and Mourinho are dinosaurs of the game and Ole is Ole.

From the outside it looks like we've tried to assemble the Harlem Globetrotters with a who's who of A1 football names based on their FIFA rating. A clear change in strategy in an attempt to buy our way back to the top as we no longer have one of the greatest managers of all time.

The reality now is that some of our best players are from the academy and those A1 names we signed during the past 8 years are nothing but journeymen, with none of them contributing much at all to the club.

We may as well have driven up and down the M56 in an Alfa Romeo throwing £50 notes out of the window, and written a few seasons off to play the kids.
We'd still have none of those journeymen with us now (bar Pogba) and there'd be a few less homeless in Warrington, and we wouldn't be scratching our head wondering how in hell some people are still in a job.

{Ed077's Note - For every Cristiano Ronaldo you will find a Ruud van Nistelrooy or Juan Sebastian Veron. Every Vidic will have Rio Ferdinand on the other side of the spectrum. SAF was a great great manager but lets not try to re-write history and pretend like Fergie never signed players for big bucks. Granted our recruitement has been poor as a whole but Man Utd did have some stinkers under Fergie too. SAF would no doubt do better with the players at the club have but some of the issue that Man Utd have had to deal with after his departure were there when he was still around.


22.) 23 Feb 2021 17:51:31
Ed, I’m thinking back to SAF’s no value in the market comments, there was a long time when we didn’t seem to want to compete. Moyes and LVG both said they didn’t get the o, Ayers they wanted and there are rumours that Ole finds himself i the same boat.

Of course, this could be down to sheet incompetence as opposed to funds.

{Ed077's Note - Didnt Moyes pull the plug on the deals the club had arranged before his arrival like the likes of Thiago? Its hard to abandon the deals that were near completion and then go after other players, who didnt want to leave their clubs and werent necessarily up for sale at that point on time.

LVG got Blind, Depay, Rojo, Romero, Valdes(?), Di Maria among others. No manager or club gets all the first choice players they targeted.

The homegrown/english player policy is largely down to Ole or so they make out. I am pretty certain Maguire was an Ole signing or else he wouldnt have been made club captain within 6 months and AWB was an Ole signing. Dan James was signed because Ole wanted him after Giggs' recommendation.

The club could do more to back the manager, to improve the club but they have gone someway in backing the managers they appointed. Jose is the one guy that seemed to lose confidence and support from the board so soon


23.) 23 Feb 2021 21:21:30
Ken

The Glazers own the club. Every penny spent is out of Uniteds pockets not theirs and that is how it works.

If you want to talk about debt, then gearing can be good for a business, yet it is how the money is used that matters, what it does for the business. The debt foisted on United has done absolutely nothing for the club, except massively increase costs to service it. It is not being paid off just serviced.

The fact is that the amount of those loans and the cost didn’t benefit the club means the gearing is not comparable to other debt in most businesses, so that whilst it may be serviceable and it may be proportional to other financial numbers, it really does not portray a figure that can be compared with most other geared positions.

You say very few owners of business that size in any sphere find company expenditure from their own pocket. Ok, what about Chelsea and City?

They don’t have to pay out of their own pocket because it’s the clubs income that costs come out of. They take more money out in dividends. Where oh where could we have been if the owner had been Chelsea or City’s. It is a crying shame what has gone on, over a Billion that could have been spent on infrastructure on the team. Madrid are spending 500m on the stadium, we have wasted probably three times that.


24.) 23 Feb 2021 22:06:23
Ffp now limits what aowner can spend .
We have over the last 5 year spent a significant amount on transfer .
Up there with the most in world football.
The glazers took over in 2003 a lot has changed since then.


25.) 23 Feb 2021 23:53:01
Redman. They own the business. You say its the club that has generated the income but they own the club so it is their income generated by the business they own.
What was the value of the club when they bought it?
What is the value now,?
The debt and service of those loans make sound business sense and is good practise given the value of the asset.
Yes there are a lot more preferable ways the club could be run from many a perspective. However from their point of view its been a financial masterclass from day 1 and could be the first chapter in ' how to make billions' their objective from buying the club was to make money and they have done a might good job of that.
Looking at it from a fans point of view I don't envy any of our opposition for their owners investment.
I admire how some of them appear to be managed. I admire and would covet many of their non playing staff more than their playing staff. Both football and non football related.
Over a billion spent on players. The highest wage bill in the country. The biggest squad. Huge investment in youth players.
A lot of money spent badly. But big investments made.
As much as our executives have performed poorly on the football side of the football people at the club have performed worse than them for the past 8 years.
3 failed coaches plus ole, 4 dozen of dozen players, many 'top class internationals' between them, have not been able to build a cohesive successful league challenging side. Now that is failure on a massive scale. Despite spending that billion reinvested into the company by its owners. Straight out of their own pockets because they own the club and the profits it generates. You may not like it but that's the truth.
Would I rather our owners took less and reinvested more money into the facilities? Yes for sure. Do i think they should expect a better return for their recent billion pound investment in the playing squad? yes I do.
Do I think they could do more for the fans? Yes
Am I worried any the debt? No? Why? Because any perspective buyer will put a whole lot more debt into the club than there is now.


26.) 24 Feb 2021 06:33:34
Ken,

The debt and service of those loans does not make sound business sense and is not “good practice” and I will explain again.

I could put a full financial explanation on gearing and the importance of it to a business but I won’t bore everyone. Keeping it simple i repeat it’s what the debt was used for and that is what makes gearing important. The debt and the costs of the debt have had no benefit to the business.

Asset value of the club does not help us and only makes the owners money when they sell.

I would ban leveraged buyouts in football, therefore anyone who bought us could not do what the Glazers have done.


27.) 24 Feb 2021 09:29:44
Red Man, while you might like to ban leveraged buy outs in football that sadly isn't going to happen.

There are only a few individuals world wide with deep enough pockets to buy our club outright. Do any of them have the motivation to do so? I doubt it. Football clubs are notorious for leaking money and costing huge amounts to run.

While you talk about the dividends the Glazers take out it amounts to around 100m a season. How many years would it take a new owner to make back their original investment in buying our club? We are valued at what 3-4bn? With Dividends of 100m a year it would take 30 years to make that back. So it doesn't make financial sense to sink 3-4bn of your own money into the club unless you were either looking at family institutional ownership, or unless you had a bad profile and needed to use the club's fan base and footballs world wide appeal to improve your own image.

So any new owners would either be a dodgy individual using us a shield, or another leveraged buyout lumping more debt on the club.

I think we need to accept that the Glazers are here to stay, and that actually on the whole especially the last 8 years they have made more than enough money available for us to challenge and compete. The fact we haven't is due to the poor running of the club by the board.


 

 

 

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Ed I’d love to be a hostage on £290,000 a week.

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26 Nov 2020 11:26:56
He’s even slower than Matic. Finished as a decent player years ago.

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That may be truereddevil but that doesn’t take much doing these days.

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20 Sep 2020 21:23:44
TrueRedDevil do you actually watch football. Another slow ageing central defender just what we need.

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11 Sep 2020 16:19:19
I know Charlie very well as my boy was with him at Utd before he went to City. He’s a good kid as are his family. Excellent goal scorer but lots of aspects he needs to work on. His nose was pushed out at City when they bought Delap. i'm on the fence about him but definitely worth a punt. Only went to City as they provided him with private education which Utd weren’t doing at the time for the younger lads.

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17 Jun 2021 17:02:33
I hope your joking.

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11 Jun 2021 12:32:15
There are plenty here are a few I can remember
Keith Andrews Blackburn
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01 Jun 2021 13:37:05
It was never my dream to play for England always Utd as it is the same with my son who would rather win a champions league with utd over a World Cup win for England.

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{Ed014's Note - wow, I genuinely can’t believe that BR. I’ve no doubt you’re being honest but just find that incredible.


 

 

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We’ve just signed a really good young homegrown keeper so it’s all rosy in the garden.

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30 May 2021 21:52:36
No confidence in any of our keepers. Sell both bring in Oblak easy as 123.

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