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03 Sep 2020 21:19:17
I read a rumour that United are not going to be held to ransom over Sancho, they will wait a year. The worrying part of the rumour was they were willing to bring in someone on loan for a year whilst the situation is resolved, this may be a message to Dortmund of course. The rumour as to who they are looking for the years loan, is Bale, hence why he was even quoted as appealing to be given a chance to leave. Personally I think that chance should have gone but it's a rumour.

Red Man

1.) 03 Sep 2020 21:42:10
I'm not a fan of Bale, he is clearly a very talented player. Yet his apparent attitude over the past few years has been awful. Refusing to take the medical advice of his club, his childish antics on the sideline, while his refusal to attempt to learn Spanish doesn't sit well. Plus when you factor in his age, his injury record and his wage demands it has Alexis Sanchez written all over it.

Yet, a loan deal might not be the worst idea. With Sancho seemingly unavailable, and with Greenwood pushing to start maybe bringing in a player who isn't a long term option might offer the club some experience in a key position, without blocking Greenwood.

It doesn't have to be Bale, there could be other options. Dembele at Barcelona for example. Both players who considering their cost and their injuries a permanent deal looks like a bad idea. Yet a loan could be worth exploring.


2.) 03 Sep 2020 21:53:47
Theres an update on dortmunds transfer plans on the european pages, situation remains the same as it has been.

No serious buyers for sancho at the moment, united won't pay the huge sums needed to sign him.

Time to move on alternatives i think, but i'm not sure there are any alternatives that really fit the bill as first team starters, might have to resort to cover for greenwood.

I wouldn't go in for bale, madrid created a problem for themselves by giving him a huge contract a few years ago and not letting him go to china last summer. I don't think its in uniteds interest to solve madrid or barcelonas issues.


3.) 03 Sep 2020 22:05:57
Shappy

I suggested Barcelona’s Dembele a few weeks ago. I would be concerned at Douglas Costa. There are rumours that Ole wants this Dayot chap but the transfer committee thinks he is too young. We shall see but deals need to be done.


4.) 03 Sep 2020 22:34:36
I’d love to see Bale for a season. But he isn’t really a suitable Sancho replacement, being LW. So Dembele seems a credible alternative if indeed the club are looking for a credible stopgap. The total Sancho cost at present is pure greed. They’ll be keener to deal as the prospect of him leaving for free draws a season closer. It’s a shame that all of that side has become to frequent these days. Don’t remember much player power in the heyday of Olsen and Strachan tearing down the flanks.

{Ed0666's Note - did strachan ever tear down a flank?


5.) 03 Sep 2020 22:41:46
Im torn on bale. He falls into the category of players i wish had signed for United. But that was some time ago. The ability is there still i don't doubt that but i doubt his drive and commitment to be as good as he can be.
I still think we will sign sancho but i could be wrong. The deal is there to be done and with the sums involved there will be compromises made by all parties imo.


6.) 03 Sep 2020 22:51:31
Dembele or Coman are good options.

Bale on a season loan is not the worst idea I’ve ever heard though until the Sancho desk can be done next year.


7.) 03 Sep 2020 22:52:06
I totally agree with Shappy. Bale seems to be the perfect case now . He allows us to spend more money at other positions and his injury record means that he will rotate with Mason at right wing. And if, and its a big if, he finds his form he will be one of the best in the league. If we can't find a solution with Sancho then Bale on a year loan its a very good option.

{Ed0666's Note - bale is a left winger no?


8.) 04 Sep 2020 00:47:50
I don't think ed666. He is effective at right cutting in and shot. He was a left wing back and left back at Spurs, maybe he can still play there but he isn't left winger. At Real Ronaldo was playing at the left and Bale at the right, although i think he is best suited at a free role behind the striker . I have seen him play there with his national team previous years and he was fantastic, a special player. If he comes i think he will start from right but he will be more centrally most of time.

{Ed0666's Note - okey dokey smoky.


9.) 04 Sep 2020 04:52:09
I wouldn't say Bale is the perfect case, just not an awful option on loan with the caveat that a chunk of his wages are performance related to make sure he is doing his best to be on the pitch.

There are dozens of players I would pick for our RW spot ahead of Bale.

I don't think we need to go for a big name player, I think in an ideal world Sancho would be an excellent signing based on age, ability, skillset with the bonus of being a homegrown player. Yet the reality is there is a huge cost attached to Sancho which might not be able to be surpassed to get the deal over the line. If the club feels that there is a genuine chance of getting the deal done next summer then a short term solution might be the best idea.

Invest in other areas this summer, bring in a loan option for RW. Then go all in for Sancho next summer when hopefully the club doesn't need to bring in quite so many players, and when the Sancho deal might be a little cheaper and more affordable. When all the uncertainty over C.V. has been cleared.

Personally I think depending on how Ole wants to play other RW options should be sought this summer. When I look at our squad, I think a more traditional RW might be a good idea, someone who can hug the touchline and stretch play. AWB is first choice RB, but isn't the most adventurous. I think having a LW like Rashford who will tuck in we could play a LB the bombs forward on the overlap and have a asymmetrical attack with the RB staying deeper and attacking width coming from the RW on the right.

If the club wanted to do that then the ideal candidate would be Adama Traore, although he would cost upward of 70m, maybe a better alternative could be Ismailia Sarr who could be available for half that amount and is maybe a year or so behind in his development compared to Traore, but has just as high a ceiling.

It all depends on what the club is looking for from a RW and whether the club feels that next summer is the best time to get Sancho if he is considered that highly by the club. Ultimately what we really need is a top class Sporting director who can make these calls and create an overarching vision for the club over a medium to long term.


10.) 04 Sep 2020 08:39:15
We need a right winger, why are we even discussing Bale?


11.) 04 Sep 2020 08:39:59
But are the golf courses in Manchester good enough to attract Bale?


12.) 04 Sep 2020 09:35:53
If Sancho is unobtainable my preferance would be going for Ocampos, thought he did a decent job against us.


13.) 04 Sep 2020 09:55:26
Dozens Shappy? :p
Can you list 24 players you would honestly rather have than Bale at RW?


14.) 04 Sep 2020 10:27:59
I don't blame Bale tbh, Zidane hardly been treating him fairly either, I'd sit on £600k a week if being benched or left out all the time too.
Not many can afford him or those that can do they need him, takes both parties to terminate a contract so what's Bale to do, sure he would play if treated fairly in the first place but way past that now.


15.) 04 Sep 2020 10:49:54
Personally I said weeks ago, that if we can’t deal with Dortmund and Sancho, I would look at Ousmane Dembele.


16.) 04 Sep 2020 10:59:26
I do like Dembele but he would seem to be one of the younger players Koeman might want to hang onto. And I think Messi will stay for a year and get his free transfer at the end.


17.) 04 Sep 2020 11:12:54
Did barcelona not say dembele is not for sale?
Only managed 5 league games last season has had a operation on his hamstring, be interesting to see if he can get past his injury issues. Bad injury for such a quick player.

{Ed002's Note - I would ignore such statements.}


18.) 04 Sep 2020 12:06:33
Jred

Barca have spent mountains of cash, such as on Dembele and Coutinho plus been paying Messi a very large salary.

I suspect Dembele may be someone they can realise cash on to help rebuild and I would be surprised if it was anywhere near the mountain of cash Sancho will require. I may be wrong but think Fati is the one they really want to keep.


19.) 04 Sep 2020 12:37:30
Redman
He also cost mega money and managed 5 league games last season .
Seriously torn hamstring for such a quick player, it will be interesting to see how he returns .


20.) 04 Sep 2020 13:10:54
Jred

He did cost mega money, as you put it and if they sell there will be a big loss on him.

Giggs had terrible hamstring issues but we found a way to resolve it, I think with Yoga. That’s why they have medicals.


21.) 04 Sep 2020 13:13:09
Spenno, I really don't want us to sign Bale permanently. I would just about accept a loan deal if half of his wages were as a bonus for making the match day squad. He has a terrible injury record, and has shown very little drive to play football over the past couple of seasons.

For that reason if we were looking to sign a player permanently Bale would be so far down the list there would be dozen's of players I'd choose ahead of him.

Sancho, Buendia, David Neres, Brooks, Tsygankov, Ismailia Sarr, Moussa Diaby, Kulusevski, Leon Bailey, Mahrez, Salah, Bernardo Silva, Ferran Torres, Chiesa, Gnabry, Adama Traore, Mbappe, Bergwijn, Stengs, Tete, Ziyech, Pulisic, Willian, Thorgan Hazard, Bernardeschi, Douglas Costa, Dybala, Lo Celso, Lucas Moura, Justin Klivert, Zaha, Richarlison, Odegaard, Lozano, Raphinha, Under, Zaniolo, Chukwueze, Hudson-Odoi, Dembele, Trincao, Fati, Bryan Mbeumo, Ihatteren and Messi.

All players who can play RW who I'd want more than Bale, a lot of them just won't be available such as Mbappe for example. Some are very young and probably aren't ready for the EPL such as Ihatteren. While others are good solid players without being anything special such as Lucas Moura.

All however I feel would be better signings than Bale.


22.) 04 Sep 2020 13:29:21
Redman
Owen would be a better example similar injury as opposed to giggs persistent injuries .
I like dembele, great to watch but there will be question marks about his latest injuries.


23.) 04 Sep 2020 13:29:21
Redman
Owen would be a better example similar injury as opposed to giggs persistent injuries .
I like dembele, great to watch but there will be question marks about his latest injuries.


24.) 04 Sep 2020 14:16:06
Shappy I was assuming they would all be realistic and obtainable alternatives, think only a handful of those would be. But I get the point re: Bale.


25.) 04 Sep 2020 14:57:22
Bale doesn't even like playing football. He gets £600k a week to play his preferred game of golf in the sun. Why would he leave the golf course and come to rainy Manchester?


26.) 04 Sep 2020 14:57:31
Spenno, conservatively I think around 27 of them could be realistically obtainable.


27.) 04 Sep 2020 15:11:42
Thank god for Google, hey Shappy.
Complete bolloxology again.


28.) 04 Sep 2020 21:43:47
Betty, I don't need Google, I'm a full time student so I have plenty of time on my hands to watch plenty of football.

The thing with Bale is just about any player is better than him as they actually want to play football. His injury record is atrocious, his game relies on explosive speed, which is causing his injuries. He expects to earn 600k per week and only wants to play golf.


29.) 04 Sep 2020 23:17:26
Why do people feel sancho will be cheaper in a years time, it's a genuine question .
I've always rated bale but that ship surely has sailed . I'd have liked him 3 year ago not now . He seems Madrids answer to sanchez, large wages no takers if a fee is involved or he duznt have a rethink on wages but if you were him would you.


30.) 05 Sep 2020 08:15:11
Slate it's not about him being cheaper in a year's time. Although I vaguely remember someone saying something about agent fees might becoming under some kind of legislation for next year which might bring them down. But that's neither here or there in the grand scheme of things.

The issue isn't spending that amount of money, it's spending that amount of money while there is so much uncertainty around football currently due to the events of this year.

No one knows when fans can come back to stadiums, the financial hits of this year haven't been fully felt yet and how that knocks on to next year. What if there is another stoppage in sport? How will what has happened effect sponsorship deals moving forward. While club's are concerned about image, spending 120m on a player while several million people have lost their job and the country has gone in to a deep recession, can reflect negatively on the club. Speaking of recession, the Glazers took over the club in 2005, then the 2008 global recession happened which meant the club had to borrow further, along with the additional interest increased the debt by around 300m and meant that 12 years later the debt still hasn't been paid off. So the club has been stung by global recessions in the past.

Until there is more certainty sanctioning such a large spend in one player isn't something the club can do out of hand. Due diligence needs to be done, along with making sure the deal is as good as possible for the club in terms of bringing the fee down and spreading the the cost.


31.) 05 Sep 2020 10:39:44
Wouldn't touch Dembele personally.


32.) 05 Sep 2020 17:15:23
I'm guessing then shappy that if the 120 million you quote was spent on say 4 other players youd be just as against it what with the financial uncertainty and people losing jobs and other things you mention otherwise your simply saying youd spend it differently .


33.) 05 Sep 2020 18:10:43
Slate, I'm not saying I'm against the club spending 120m or 200m. If the club has it and can afford it then fine.

What I'm saying is there is a concern about spending so much money on one player.

Like I've said, I would be happy if we get Sancho, he looks one hell of a player. Yet I would have a concern if the club were to put all their eggs into one basket. If Sancho was our only summer signing I'd have concerns. However, we have signed DvdB already. If Donny and Sancho were our only two summer signings then fine. However, I'd have concern over our defence, I think we could do with a couple of quality signings in defence.


 

 

31 May 2020 15:03:20
Saul Niguez has apparently said he will announce his new club in 3 days. Will be interesting to see where that is.

Red Man

1.) 31 May 2020 15:15:26
He looks City bound, i think he'll fit in any Pep side.


2.) 31 May 2020 15:56:54
Im not sure how reliable that teller is redman. hope your well.
If he is announcing it in 3 days then its been kept very quiet wherever he is going.
My guess would be city although i really hope its us. He is one of the top midfielders in Europe imo. If pogba where to go saul can replace most of his qualities and add more.
Saul and sancho and ighalo in this window would be the stuff of dreams.
Maybe get a player in return for pogba that could add depth.
Grealish is another target according to ed002 and the club are keen on him and Bellingham so saul is probably less likely.


3.) 31 May 2020 16:43:56
Hi Ken

I am well thanks, but not everyone in my family is, but we shall see on that. Sat drinking vino in the garden.

Someone said this was similar to what Griezmann did. It seems strange announcing it that way.

It would be interesting to see Ed02’s view on Saul and where he is going or if he is at all?


4.) 31 May 2020 17:34:47
It's his new e-Sports team.


5.) 31 May 2020 17:41:21
Fabrizio Romano has said this has nothing to do with a transfer.

Which seems to make sense. Saul has always appeared pretty commited to Atletico, at least publicly. I can't imagine he would announce himself leaving before the season is finished.

I'm expecting some sort of sponsorship or the other to be announced.


6.) 31 May 2020 17:47:50
Saul is a top class player and would fit in well in pretty much any side. If it was United he is due to sign for, that would surely signal the club are confident that Pogba will leave this summer? Even though the club appear to be dicking about in letting him leave.


7.) 31 May 2020 21:04:47
When do we ever announce a signing this early?

It will be a sponsor.


8.) 31 May 2020 22:48:25
Following United on twitter Orr instagram now apparently 👀👀 that 100% means were nailed on to sign him 😂😂😂.


9.) 01 Jun 2020 09:35:03
People will grab hold of anything, fair play to him for playing everybody like this and getting attention on himself, madness what people believe.


10.) 01 Jun 2020 10:02:17
I am sure the Atletico fans are really pleased with the circus he's created around him. Straight away i have been put off him. Sounds like he's feeling sorry for himself and is suffering from lack of attention due to lockdown bless him.


11.) 01 Jun 2020 15:38:11
Nothing official from athletico madrid or from any other club. so is take it with a massive pinch of salt.
Im sure any club sending that sort of money will want to maximise the coverage and to their unveiling.
Sounds like a load of BS to me.
Him and sancho are the dream signings this summer. Along with ighalo they would breath new life into this team. With maybe another player coming in to boost the squad in any deal for pogba. The likes of raibot would increase competition.


 

 

18 Oct 2019 07:02:23
Interesting seeing photos of Pogba and Zidane meet in Dubai and apparently chat for 10 mins, a coincidence meeting on the beach.

Red Man

1.) 18 Oct 2019 07:34:54
I couldn't care less. Le Sulk can move to RM. I doubt we would notice he had left.


2.) 18 Oct 2019 08:54:50
We need quality but we also need 100% commitment from everyone. The reason we are in this mess is the lack of desire and pride for the shirt. Pogbas a good player but doesn't have the mentality we need. Time to go.


3.) 18 Oct 2019 12:24:27
Yh i agree if our new recruitment plan under ole is to bring in players with limited technical ability and do their best work off the ball but with more passion and work rate then pogba doesn't really fit in.


4.) 18 Oct 2019 14:04:23
I like to try and be more realistic in what I expect from footballers. I don't expect them to have an undying love and passion for the club, that's the fans job.
If they do then that's a bonus.

What I expect is for a footballer to be professional, as that is what they are, professionals.

I expect them to work hard, look to develop their skills and be committed to the team. They don't need to love the club.

But they need to respect their position, they need to respect their team mates and they need to respect their manager and coaches.

Without seeing how Pogba is in training it is hard to say if he is showing that. Yet his on field performances are often inconsistent at best which suggests he isn't working as hard as he should be. He has all the talent to be a top player, but does he have the drive and application?

If he wants to be elsewhere, then fine. I won't hold a grudge, but he needs to being working hard for his team mates or eventually they will turn against him.

I think Ed002 was right on the money again with Pogba, his career belongs in Spain or back in Italy. Yet with Juventus having 7 midfielders on the books (Ramesey, Pjanic, Khedira, Can, Raboit, Matuidi and Bentancur) I don't see a place for him unless several leave. Real Madrid's interest seems to stem from Zidane, who himself might not be there all that much longer with Jose apparently a possible replacement. His options might be growing thin. With Barcelona having recently signed Frenkie De Jong and Arthur, they are unlikely to look to spend the 150m+ it would take to bring him in, plus they have wage limitations unless they can shift one or two big earners. Ultimately PSG might be the best possible escape route for him. With both Real Madrid and Barcelona circling for Mbappe and Neymar respectively PSG might have some funds to reinvest and they have shown an appetite to try and bring in some of the best French players in the world.

So, I feel PSG might be the place he ends up next, either that or he will sign a new increased long term deal with us.


5.) 18 Oct 2019 14:34:03
you can count on one hand the number of top performances pogba has produced for us. you can say its because of the talent around him but i don't think that's totally accurate. Pogba has immense talent, however there are games where he doesn't even do the simple things well (pass to a team mate, control the ball, track a runner) . like the above post i don't expect him to die for the shirt but I expect him to put a shift in. Our problem is that our players are either short on talent, high on workrate or high on talent and short on effort.

This may all be a result of him being demoralised and wanting to leave, thus affecting his performances. whatever the reason a move away may be best for all parties.


6.) 18 Oct 2019 20:23:51
The reality is Pobga has no support around him, literally nothing. We play mostly rubbish football, I'm not shocked he doesn't enjoy himself. We have 4 average midfielders that create nothing/ do anything to support him. Pobga, as he has shown with France and Juve, with quality players around him, he is also a quality player. We are a team devoid of forward talent, quality or movement, or tactical knowledge form the sideline.

I implore anyone to play midfield in a team like this and excel as a creative player. It just doesn't happen at the highest level. Yeah he has rubbish games, yeah his good ones are not frequent enough but he is still the only one of those midfielders that comes close to being on an high level (couldn't consider him world class or elite) .


7.) 18 Oct 2019 20:33:01
That's the thing MrGoodKat, he has played better at Juventus and with France. Yet, he has been just as inconsistent with both his previous club and his national side.


8.) 18 Oct 2019 20:58:24
I agree, he goes missing - but he is still clearly the best midfielder we have, and the sad thing is, it's by a long way. It's good to see McTominay play for the shirt but lacks any real quality (in terms of what we expect a Man Utd player to be), Matic lacks mobility and any real influence on the game and Fred lacks everything technical about a footballer.

I disagree with the "Pogba doesn't track back etc" complaints. What I really want from him is to create something, get on the ball, run forward. Play to strengths and not square pegs round holes situation. I want United to but some players that have a dedicated position in the front 4. To be able to say, with confidence that this is the best player to play Striker or Right Wing or Attacking Mid.


9.) 19 Oct 2019 07:56:16
That's the annoying thing with Pogba, he isn't just our most talented midfielder by a long way. He has more talent than 95% of all midfielders anywhere.

He does track back, but he is even more inconsistent with his defensive work than he is with his more expansive and creative work. My issue is even when he does track back he doesn't do so with any purpose. He jogs back and never looks like he is going to attempt to put a tackle or a block in.

The fact that over his time at United he averages 0.8 tackles per game shows his lack of desire to do the dirty work.

To be honest I'm not too bothered about that. Not all midfielders need to be crunching in tackles. What disappoints me with Pogba is that he at 27 is still so inconsistent with the parts of the game he does enjoy. His passing, shooting and chance creation some games is world class, while woeful in others.

He reminds me a bit of Nani, a player on his day is unplayable and will win you games on his own. However, "his day" might only be one game a month, in the others he is distinctly average.


 

 

15 Oct 2019 06:38:15
There have been rumours for a few days that Kevin, one of the Glazers was selling up, that he had swapped his B voting shares for A shares. I was told a couple of days ago the B shares can't be sold. Now there are reports in the main press that Kevin Glazer has transferred his 13% to A shares and is looking to sell. According to the press several others want to sell up too. Hopefully it is the beginning of the end of them, although it is said two of the family don't want to sell.

Red Man

1.) 15 Oct 2019 07:20:27
Yeah Red Man.
Multiple news channels reporting the same.


2.) 15 Oct 2019 07:37:48
I would not be surprised if they are selling to family? Maybe someone wants more power?


3.) 15 Oct 2019 12:02:01
So how does this work then? If the individual share holders sell up and shares are sold on the stock market, how will that change anything in the future? Won't the shareholders just keep getting dividends? How is that any different to how it is now?


4.) 15 Oct 2019 13:36:41
Nothing actually concrete has happened redman, 1 guy is selling but it just means more control over utd for the other glazers.


5.) 15 Oct 2019 16:55:43
If one's had enough then its a start.


6.) 15 Oct 2019 18:02:04
Apparently being denied now. ☹️.


 

 

08 Oct 2019 10:40:04
Rumour, The morale in the dressing room is at the lowest for the past ten months with observers claiming there is a lack of energy which is 'sapping' spirits at Carrington.

Red Man

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1.) 08 Oct 2019 12:25:02
Love it Bond.


2.) 08 Oct 2019 15:17:04
you could see how bad the morale is in david de gea, s interview after sundays game.


3.) 08 Oct 2019 18:11:02
Dea gea was right though we can't even score.

We have a decent defence but that's what were relying on to get us points

The midfield and attack have to step up.


I'm still amused as to why we keep playing possession football. let the other teams have the ball then break.

We have speed up top but we are not using are best assets atm.


4.) 09 Oct 2019 06:16:56
He is rightfully disgusted.
We are short of a prolific goal scorer.


5.) 09 Oct 2019 19:12:58
TrueRedDevil, i would give my left nut just for a goal scorer. Both for a prolific one!


6.) 12 Oct 2019 15:50:37
Poor comment un an interview from DDG. He would have better saying that when the team isn't scoring there is more pressure on saving shots like the Newcastle one.


 

 

 

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13 Oct 2020 07:04:36
We have bought a lot of very promising young players recently, including a French defender called Kanbwala, very highly thought of. It is believed this has all started since the arrival of Romain Poirot as the new French scout, part of a recruitment overhaul which has seen United's network in Europe, Asia and South America treble in size in recent years.

Red Man

1.) 13 Oct 2020 07:42:27
At least we are doing something right red man.


2.) 13 Oct 2020 08:08:59
Wazza

Yes I have commented a few times on the purchase of young prospects, as Ed explained that is because the option will not be available after this summer. It remains to be seen whether they develop into first team players, it remains a big step mentally and physically but have the club got a plan to develop them, a path? Or will like some go elsewhere? The right groundwork has been done but it is to be seen whether they come through. We bought Mejbri for about £9m and I have mentioned him a few times, now has to take the step up but is the path there or had it been further blocked by DvB?

Certainly given credit to the club for young player purchases already, whether we have the path, the structure and bravery to play them when the pressure is on is another matter.


 

 

12 Oct 2020 20:37:22
I thought this was actually a joke when I saw the headline, but in 2019 the local Manchester media explained that Ole honed his management skills on Football Manager.

"It's a fantastic game, I have learned a lot about football. I have learned a lot about players, especially young talent.

It resembles real life, when it comes to who will be good players. They have done incredible research. I remember thinking the same then, that I do as a manager, you want to give young guns the chance, see them develop.

You could push a few buttons and get extra millions to buy a player. I never enjoyed that. I would rather win in spite of, than because of.

Many of my players play FIFA and Football Manager. I think it helps them to understand football better. "

No further comment.

Red Man

1.) 12 Oct 2020 21:05:13
Redman
I worked with a guy who in the early 2000s told me that he got Exeter City to the FA Cup Final and wore a suit and tie to celebrate getting to Wembley. that's how real it is to some people 😂😂.


2.) 12 Oct 2020 22:05:25
FMs accuracy is incredible and has been for decades. I really don’t see what is wrong here and it sounds like you are just looking for things now Redman. I’m sure more high profile figures have been cited as using the FM database as well.


3.) 12 Oct 2020 23:11:44
Love FM its sooooo addictive. My mates and I used to spend whole days and barely got out of pre season 🤣.


4.) 12 Oct 2020 23:57:47
Haha red man scraping the barrel on this one.


5.) 13 Oct 2020 00:28:37
Jose plays football manager as shown in the documentary.


6.) 13 Oct 2020 01:44:25
Nothing wrong with that Red Man. Many coaches get help from Football Manager sometimes. Mr Wenger too.


7.) 13 Oct 2020 08:13:14
It’s a game. Did Mourinho and Wenger hone their skills on it? Should this now be on the CV of the manager, “Have taken their selected club to honours on football manager”. If one of the players is better on it than Ole, does he get to be next manager?


8.) 13 Oct 2020 09:46:06
Where does Ole say he honed his skills on it? Football Manager is used by most big clubs as a means to spot potential talent, which is what Ole more or less says.


9.) 13 Oct 2020 10:10:28
Red Man, this is grasping at straws. Ole has a FIFA pro license, he did the studying and he sat the exams and he passed them. Thus he is qualified to coach at this level. So what he plays computer games as well. Football manager spends a lot of money working out algorithms and modelling code to create as close as possible to a real life experience. From a tactical perspective it can be a useful tool to gain understanding on how different systems can play out vs other tactical systems. What it fails on is the human aspect. What happens when a player has had some bad news and is distracted, or has a cold or a bad nights sleep. While it also fails to capture how good a coach is at getting the tactics across to his players, or how he develops them and improves them.

In many walks of life computer models and simulations are run to determine possible potential outcomes and often policy is decided based on these models. While some will have significantly greater levels of investment and scientific backing behind them (such as the models the Met office use, along with their very impressive super computer) while others can be set up and run for less than a few hundred pounds and still be very accurate (although these tend to be used for undisputed science, with very predictable outcomes) . Football manager spends millions on developing their system. While not perfect for the reasons I stated above, it can still be useful for trying out different tactical ideas.

I think this is just a poor attempt by you to try and find fault in Ole, you seem to do this every international break or when the team haven't played in the last few days and you need fresh impetuous to continue driving your campaign against Ole.

{Ed025's Note - pieces of paper do not make a good coach shappy, sam allardyce for instance..


10.) 13 Oct 2020 12:20:34
Red man. Ole didn’t say he honed his skills on it. You did.

Don’t twist quotes just to prove a point.

FM is a massive database, I believe they have more scourges than all PL clubs combined. Everton signed an exclusive deal to use their database, international managers use it to find players, it’s a huge amount of data.


11.) 13 Oct 2020 12:53:37
Wazza and Co

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06 Oct 2020 07:05:16
A cultural reset, a group of hungry young homegrown players who understand the club. A plan to put it in place.

Transfer window 2020, last minute deal for Cavani, a player who had been looking around for a club for weeks. What plan was that?

The net spend was not massive, was not we want to win the league size. It looks to me like the Spurs defeat stopped any last minute splurge and made the decision makers think whoa, time for a rethink on what is being asked.

As Spurs ran through a disorganised mess of a defence, perhaps the decision makers reflected the manager was asking for big money for a right winger and would it be as big an issue as who he bought for central defence? It also came at a time when Sancho has been held back from England duty after allegedly breaking rules, didn't he allegedly break rules in summer as well?
Maybe they looked and realised Sancho can't play in defence.

Now the Poch rumours start, no doubt to be denied, but we must get Solskjaer gone, ASAP. Poch isn't my choice but is a better choice.

Red Man

1.) 06 Oct 2020 07:45:31
Hiring a manager who has been unemployed for the last 12 months would be concerning.


2.) 06 Oct 2020 07:46:55
The poch runours are an interesting because undoubtedly the hierarchy have been incompetent and amateurish this window but if there was a time to sack a club legend it would probably be a good idea to do it when fabs aren't allowed back in the stadium to voice their discontent.


3.) 06 Oct 2020 07:59:23
Club legend inn tje playing field. our worst manager for 50 years imo.


4.) 06 Oct 2020 08:03:18
DSG

There in lies the issue, would the fans show discontent after the performances? The ground stayed with Moyes to a point but also know when it isn’t working. However your point flags everything about the issue, emotional sentimental love of the individual employed as Manager, rather than logic, so it was always going to be difficult to sack him. When the ground is empty makes even more sense, but don’t expect sense from our ditherers. Thing is, they should do it now, stop dithering. No I don’t think Poch is right, but he is far better than what we have. The board seem to dither on decisions, just look at who we bought this window and yet still dither on the manager.


5.) 06 Oct 2020 08:09:55
Whoever sacks him will get as big a cheer as his goal got in 99 from a lot of fans.

{Ed047's Note - I can see him doing a Wenger and staying for years! 😉


6.) 06 Oct 2020 08:20:32
Why would Club sack their current manager, pay out his contract, then hire Poch, another manager we know would be the wrong hire?

Now Allegri. that’s a different matter.


7.) 06 Oct 2020 08:33:28
Eric

I said after Mourinho, the board should get together and undertake a proper review of exactly what we want and who is best to deliver it. Poch looks like Woodward’s individual choice and his choices have been poor so far. They should look at exactly what they want and who is best to deliver it. In honesty I initially said Simeone but actually now sway towards Nagelsmann but there needs to be a selection process, not just a he looks right approach.

The club needs to stop dithering, now, immediately and get the process started.


8.) 06 Oct 2020 08:45:45
Sounds far too sensible. I’m not at all sure who makes the call on the next manager though Red Man - as whoever it is, be it one individual or a select group of advisors, they’ve made a string of poor decisions including OGS on a perm contract. Having said that, many could say he earned it after the improvement when he came in. I’d also put Mourinho in the bucket too as he was clearly such a poor fit for our club.


9.) 06 Oct 2020 08:46:15
Ps I’d take Wenger at the minute Ed 😂.

{Ed047's Note - that bad hey mate! 🤷‍♂️🤣


10.) 06 Oct 2020 09:10:02
There’s no point hiring any manager unless the board are willing to back them for 3/ 4 years and let them mould the team. Look at Klopp and Pep. They need be very careful with who they choose next.


11.) 06 Oct 2020 09:13:21
What about Allegri? Although I'm sure he would stick two fingers up to Woodward this time round.


12.) 06 Oct 2020 09:41:54
Ed047. Stop teasing me with that red ink. You are always on the wind up, you dirty rotter.

I'm not having any of that banter you should only come on here to console and be nice to us!

{Ed047's Note - that’s cut deep mate, I was trying to console you, knowing how much you love him! 🤣🤣


 

 

04 Oct 2020 10:07:38
There are rumours of a big bust up at a board meeting last week, Thursday I believe. Who knows what it was about, or if the rumour was even true, but I suspect the finances can't deliver all the players the manager asked for. The revenues will be down, no match day revenue, I can imagine from the accountants perspective we have to deal with a big financial hole and the club has delayed announcing numbers until after the window closed. That has been done before but I suspect the numbers in the financial forecasts will be very gloomy and therefore I suspect the Sancho deal is very tough to swallow for the accountants.

The key to all this is planning, accountants will forecast numbers so unless they got it very wrong, surely they knew what was available to spend this summer. It appears we spent all our time chasing Sancho, when maybe the fee could cripple our finances. Madness.

Planning, what planning? Football wise how on Earth was the answer Cavani? It looks a panic situation, he has been available for months, so if he was in the plan why not have him for the start of the season? It doesn't add up, like many things at our club. Who decided to keep Ighalo until January? If they had a plan for Cavani why do that? Who is asking and suggesting the moves on both those? We needed a forward, no argument from me, but I would have looked at Jovic personally before Cavani. It just looks chaos and amateur, something off the back of a cigarette packet given the timing, desperation. I wrote weeks ago we should have been decisive, had the players bar maybe a last minute tough one, at the club bedded in early for an important season. Maybe they had someone else in mind but decided to get Cavani as there was no big transfer fee, put the money "saved" towards Sancho. Our club are that daft.

Daft? Yes, we have Pogba going into his last year, doesn't want to be there, so why is he there? Does Ole want to keep him or is it the decision makers don't want to lose face or won't take a financial hit whilst wanting other clubs to take one when we buy. Why buy DvB, excellent player, but hardly the biggest need position unless Pogba was going. The manager plays Pogba deep, awful tactic and you can bet if he is deep today Spurs will target taking the ball off him.

What happens next? The amateurs as they keep ably showing is true, will pay more (too much) for Sancho, they will ignore the CB problem and I suspect Ole was told no chance financially hence his comments ignoring the obvious issue, do nothing about the DM problem, but might sort the LB problem.

What a mess.

Red Man

1.) 04 Oct 2020 10:39:08
Red Man, it is this mess which I why I don't think sacking the manager is a great idea.

I agree that Ole isn't the best manager, and I agree that he is unlikely to be the man to take that step to make us a winning side again. What he has done is give young players, who are likely to be key to our next great side, game time and allowing them to develop.

If we sack the manager then the current mess of a board will be responsible for hiring the next manager, will they get it right? Judging by their track record I highly doubt it.

That means we will have another manager looking for different players, playing in a different style and potentially exasperating the issues we have with a currently disjointed squad.

The old saying is "horse before the cart". We need someone to come in as a DoF to arch the gap between the football and business aspects of the club. Someone to set the vision, higher a manager who has a style that works with the majority of the squad and aligns with the vision of the club. To move on players who either aren't good enough or fit that vision, and bring in player who blend with that vision and improve the squad.

Until that person is in place we will only see the exact same things happen time and again with sacking managers and struggling to perform.


2.) 04 Oct 2020 10:48:52
I think Cavani is a panic signing that stems from the belief that Ighalo was enough cover. The club are always looking for quick fix solutions, and thought that Ighalo’s decent start solved the striker problem. With Martial struggling and Ighalo not good enough, they’ve started to panic again. With should have pushed for Dembele (Lyon), but have left it too late to do anything long term.

Cavani is a good player and a better striker than Martial, but it risks getting Martial into a strop again, this time without the long term alternative Lukaku offered.

Sacking the manager won’t solve the underlying problems, but Ole has a lack of power that only helps the club continue to make mistakes. At least Jose was pushing for changes, Ole isn’t.


3.) 04 Oct 2020 10:53:55
Shappy

Ole is not getting enough out of what he has, he isn’t good enough and using the argument about the issues above him as an excuse to keep him in the job is frankly nonsensical.

It could be years before there is change above him. You miss the real point and that is that Ole is the emotional, sentimental, pull at heart strings, choice that has kept the heat off the owners for two years. If you look at our up coming fixtures he has to win them or the pressure may be on sooner than Christmas. He just isn’t good enough and I will be happy to be proved wrong he hasn’t shown he has the facets needed. Just continuing is sentimental.


4.) 04 Oct 2020 10:58:41
I actually don’t think OGS has done that bad a job?!


5.) 04 Oct 2020 10:59:38
Success on the pitch will certainly be by luck more than judgement. We know planning hasn't been a strong suit of the club for a while now.

Ultimately spending an entire window chasing a player is nothing new for us, Bruno, Maguire just in the last 2. Even now, cost wise Sancho would probably be more expensive than Cavani, Telles and Sarr altogether. Until we have capable people dealing with transfers and staffing, we won't be successful consistently.


6.) 04 Oct 2020 11:12:01
Good post redman, regardless of the 'rumoured' board argument, it's a joke how they run it all. From top to bottom. I wonder when it will get better?

Be nice to kick it off with a win today. Spurs are there for the taking.


7.) 04 Oct 2020 14:50:30
A Director Of Football will not change anything. He will have a job title without the power and authority to execute. He just be the scapegoat

No one will take the job as they know what ever they do, they will be overlooked by the men above.

Keep saying it. Until either they sell up or Ed and Glazers step away from the football side and concentrate on the business side. Nothing is going to change.


8.) 05 Oct 2020 22:24:02
The point you make about bedding in signings is key RM, bedding in players and giving them time to adjust is huge. The problem the money men is they don't see this, they just see it as a signing that slots into a position and that's what we are up against.

Carrying on the way we are as fans won't change the situation, it'll never change. Football is like an addiction and you cannot switch off from it, and that's what our board know. So if you can find something else to take your mind off it for the next 10 years whilst this club goes round in circles hiring and firing, because its not going to change for a long long time, more and more heart ache is on the horizon.


 

 

03 Oct 2020 16:33:51
Another new teen signed Willy Kambwala a 16 year old French centre half from Sauchaux, already 6 foot 4.

Red Man

{Ed002's Note - This is the last opportunity to sign kiddies from Europe, hence the push.}


1.) 03 Oct 2020 16:45:30
This kid is meant to be very very impressive red man. Been told we are paying a decent fee for him too.


2.) 03 Oct 2020 17:15:45
Thanks Ed002, are any other clubs being as aggressive as United in this youth market?

{Ed002's Note - Quite a few of the English sides have been recruiting kiddies (Liverpool, Chelsea, Manchester City etc..}


3.) 03 Oct 2020 17:43:01
Thanks Ed.


4.) 04 Oct 2020 01:25:30
Have your heard anything on Facundo Pellistri red man?


 

 

 

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10 Oct 2020 11:14:18
Cheshire Red

Just had chance to read your posts in full, enjoyable read and for someone in the financial field they make logical sense. In answer to your question, I would rather be Man Utd without Sancho but I was saying for weeks we should have walked away from that deal and looked elsewhere. I am actually pleased we didn’t crumble for once and didn’t just pay up the full amount. It will help us in future negotiations, the club we are buying from at least may know we mean what we say, for a change.

A few months ago on here I wrote a piece about how I didn’t think we would have a big net spend due to the impact of CV on finances, particularly revenue but it also affects cash flow, my assessment was correct. There is no doubt there is financial expertise at the club, I have worked with these type of finance people, they are almost always very astute. Their problem has been trying to operate on the football side too much, limited manoeuvre wriggle room due to the leverage (debt) the club is in and from what I have seen, lacked ability to negotiate.

Negotiation is an art, a special skill, one which ordinary financiers are not usually expert in. It’s why we are still dealing with Brexit, previous PM May started from a soft position and we haven’t recovered since, regardless of views, if you start soft you will get a worse deal in any negotiations. Maybe just maybe, the step away from the Sancho deal indicates the club negotiators have learned, or of course the just couldn’t afford it full stop. Whatever, it’s a good clear message we won’t be held to ransom.

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09 Oct 2020 19:16:34
Cheshire

The point you are missing with Ole is that he isn’t a leader. Deadly assassin fine, doesn’t like fools fine. People miss the point about SAF’s genius and that was leadership. He was no tactician and that is one reason he didn’t succeed in Europe as much as he should have done.

Initially SAF built a team with a bond, like with Aberdeen it didn’t need to be technical it was belligerent and well organised, a team together with fight, like the manager, against authority.

SAF relied upon his No2 to do the training, tactics were straightforward. SAF only became more technical when Quiroz arrived but the principles of the 80’s remained.

If your aim is to say Ole is the SAF character and it is others who should dictate tactics then you are missing the point about the personality, character and leadership of SAF which took him to another level. The game has a more technical nature now, the 90’s United would be bypassed as it was at the time when meeting a technical team.

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05 Oct 2020 22:13:25
Grimslives

That much for an 18 year old is interesting, especially as they were sending him out on loan. It’s a lot when compared to some of the other youngsters at that age.

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04 Oct 2020 12:00:18
The question for me is why did they wait until now to get Cavani? He has been available for months, why didn’t we get him at the beginning of the season? Have they suddenly realised Martial is inconsistent and Ighalo is someone who really wasn’t good enough for the Premier League?

I think Cavani is a useful addition if he stays fit, we needed a striker, but it doesn’t look part of a plan. Personally I would have gone for Jovic at Madrid. Let’s see how Cavani does, but what plan was it part of?

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29 Sep 2020 08:20:36
Wazza

At Brighton we had our only attackers in the squad, actually on the pitch. Ighalo isn’t good enough. We don’t have another option, when Ighalo goes back in January, then what? We are short of a CF for me, there is no plan B. Wouldn't surprise me to see Josh King arrive in desperation on deadline day.

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21 Oct 2020 21:33:51
Ken

We have needed something different up front and Cavani provides it.

Will be interested to see him in action.

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21 Oct 2020 07:01:14
Great result last night

Noticeable how much better we play when away from home against the big teams by playing 3 central defenders, either 3 5 2 or 5 3 2 it’s Oles go to tactic in those games and can be effective. Delighted with the result.

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TrueRedDevil

You mean 2nd under Mourinho to 3rd?

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18 Oct 2020 13:06:36
I posted previously that by all accounts the players like Ole and they will try for him, but they don’t believe he is a top manager who will take them anywhere.

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18 Oct 2020 12:47:46
Was I watching a different game? We were awful until the two subs came on.

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