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15 Oct 2019 06:38:15
There have been rumours for a few days that Kevin, one of the Glazers was selling up, that he had swapped his B voting shares for A shares. I was told a couple of days ago the B shares can't be sold. Now there are reports in the main press that Kevin Glazer has transferred his 13% to A shares and is looking to sell. According to the press several others want to sell up too. Hopefully it is the beginning of the end of them, although it is said two of the family don't want to sell.

Red Man

1.) 15 Oct 2019 07:20:27
Yeah Red Man.
Multiple news channels reporting the same.


2.) 15 Oct 2019 07:37:48
I would not be surprised if they are selling to family? Maybe someone wants more power?


3.) 15 Oct 2019 12:02:01
So how does this work then? If the individual share holders sell up and shares are sold on the stock market, how will that change anything in the future? Won't the shareholders just keep getting dividends? How is that any different to how it is now?


4.) 15 Oct 2019 13:36:41
Nothing actually concrete has happened redman, 1 guy is selling but it just means more control over utd for the other glazers.


5.) 15 Oct 2019 16:55:43
If one's had enough then its a start.


6.) 15 Oct 2019 18:02:04
Apparently being denied now. ☹️.


 

 

08 Oct 2019 10:40:04
Rumour, The morale in the dressing room is at the lowest for the past ten months with observers claiming there is a lack of energy which is 'sapping' spirits at Carrington.

Red Man

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1.) 08 Oct 2019 12:25:02
Love it Bond.


2.) 08 Oct 2019 15:17:04
you could see how bad the morale is in david de gea, s interview after sundays game.


3.) 08 Oct 2019 18:11:02
Dea gea was right though we can't even score.

We have a decent defence but that's what were relying on to get us points

The midfield and attack have to step up.


I'm still amused as to why we keep playing possession football. let the other teams have the ball then break.

We have speed up top but we are not using are best assets atm.


4.) 09 Oct 2019 06:16:56
He is rightfully disgusted.
We are short of a prolific goal scorer.


5.) 09 Oct 2019 19:12:58
TrueRedDevil, i would give my left nut just for a goal scorer. Both for a prolific one!


6.) 12 Oct 2019 15:50:37
Poor comment un an interview from DDG. He would have better saying that when the team isn't scoring there is more pressure on saving shots like the Newcastle one.


 

 

24 Sep 2019 06:35:17
So the leaks begin. Apparently some players harbour reservations over Kieran McKenna having such a key role in first-team training little more than a year after being promoted from the Under 18s. His sessions are thought by some to be more suited to the academy

There are also questions why there are so many non contact injuries having supposedly used pre season to get the players into peak fitness, questions why the lethargy when they are fit, what did Phil Jones and Woodward really say despite the denials.

This isn't going to end well everyone.

Red Man

1.) 24 Sep 2019 12:46:00
Dont rub your hands too much, you'll get friction burns.


2.) 24 Sep 2019 13:18:39
Where are these leaks red man? I’ve not seen them (not saying what you’re saying is false btw would like to read them) but then surely they’d be saying the same of Carrick. Then again we heard these rumours in pre season and they soon disappeared.


3.) 24 Sep 2019 17:10:57
The Daily Mail. I read it myself, today, and knew you'd pick up on it Red Man 😁 Mind you, I had to take a long shower after reading it.


4.) 24 Sep 2019 17:56:10
Daily Fail? lol.


5.) 24 Sep 2019 18:24:19
I was getting my hair done, TRD 😁.


6.) 25 Sep 2019 07:54:04
I heard that Phil Jones said 'poor' unsure whether he was talking about a refereeing decision or his teammates (he should be) and Ed turned round and said 'quiet, we are on camera' that's just one story.

As for McKenna, I think the media are loving a United in crisis story so will push anything, wouldn't wprry too much on McKenna.

What I do worry about is why year after year we have so many injuries, it seems to have been every season since van Gaal, perhaps even Moyes time, I dunno if we have players nowadays more like athletes and break down easier or the stricter training we have now is too much for some, no idea.

Was thinking about Martial this morning, he is always injured, can never get a run of games out of him, and he is probably the most key player in the way Ole wants to counter attack, I see a long season of inconsistent results and performances ahead, I can live with that if we see the desire in the players, I have seen that except at west ham which worries me.

Arsenal at home next is probably the perfect fixture to get that desire back and a win wouldn't shock me, hopefully we have some players back for this one.

Saving grace at the moment is Chelsea and Spurs are having equally as bad starts and a win over the gunners keeps us on pace for 4th.

I've said it all along since they sacked Moyes and I'll say it again, we must stick by a manager, we cannot carry on chopping and changing managers, backroom teams, players and playing style, that's why we are in such a mess, it's not going to be pretty for a good while yet but the 3 lads he's brought in are the right type of player, he needs more windows to bring in more players that fits what Ole wants, it's going to take time.

I now hear 'oh we've spent £900m' yes, Ole has had 1 window, the rest is past and we are on a new path, one the club and fans must stick too.


7.) 25 Sep 2019 09:02:25
Welsh

We need to get the right manager to stick behind, not the failed Cardiff one.


8.) 25 Sep 2019 09:41:46
By the way there are now more rumours of players feeling training is uninspiring and old fashioned.


9.) 25 Sep 2019 10:43:54
Ole was appointed and is our manager so therefore he is the right one and we have to get behind him and the club needs to give him the funds and time to build a squad. Everyone is too impatient, can't rebuild a squad in his model in 1 window, will be a few more windows by we see the squad he ideally wants.


10.) 25 Sep 2019 12:06:39
Red man I’d pay no attention to those rumours. Always an attempt to find a problem wrong with everything. As ed001 said when results are good training is fine, when bad it’s rubbish. It’s the same with any job, it things aren’t going well in the office or wherever you work it’s not great but a good week or few days and it’s a different outlook.


11.) 26 Sep 2019 06:55:11
Caolin

What we are seeing on the pitch is a result of what is happening on the training pitch.


12.) 26 Sep 2019 09:59:30
Uninspiring training? Give me a break. They should be inspired to play and win trophies for Man Utd. Knuckle down, do what your boss is asking of you and make an impact on the pitch.


13.) 26 Sep 2019 11:15:01
Red man

I don’t think anyone can say definitively unless we are on the training pitch. Do you think Rojo is instructed to shoot on sight once he crosses halfway?


14.) 27 Sep 2019 09:37:10
It was exactly the same under Jose. I remember asking several times back then, what exactly did they do in training all week, because once they crossed the line, they looked like eleven strangers.


 

 

29 Aug 2019 12:35:26
I have heard a rumour that the club are gearing up to start improvements to the South Stand next year. However, the same rumour is that the land around OT has been bought not by United or our present owners but by a Middle Eastern connection. That is all I have heard but this is a rumour site.

Red Man

1.) 29 Aug 2019 14:34:29
Thanks for sharing red man. Very interesting.


2.) 29 Aug 2019 15:36:37
Great rumour Red Man, you can’t beat a good rumour.

Check out the Spurs site for a great Poch rumour In reply to a question I asked.


3.) 29 Aug 2019 16:23:08
Very good AJH. Looking into the neighbours house and thinking everything is rosey isn't necessarily the case.


4.) 29 Aug 2019 16:45:11
Wouldn't the ownership of the ground be public knowledge? There should be a way to check this up.


5.) 29 Aug 2019 18:06:49
LovelyLudwigVan

It said land around the ground. If you know the area the railway is right behind the South stand, there is a station there but behind that are houses and a street. The ground is the clubs and some land around it but no idea which bits.


6.) 29 Aug 2019 18:48:22
Yeah it's long been an issue, if I'm not mistaken Railway Rd is where they'd need to buy the houses, and they'd need to find a solution for the rail tracks. I just thought property owners, at least of non-residential buildings would be information available to the public. I remember reading that the costs to expand the stadium would be as much as building a new one, which will probably continue delaying any work.


7.) 29 Aug 2019 23:27:01
What was said AJH? i can't seem to find anything on the spurs page.


8.) 30 Aug 2019 07:21:03
DH click on Spurs banter.


9.) 30 Aug 2019 10:38:12
Hi All,

on the South stand situation.

The land is owned by the railway as is the bridge/ walkway from Railway road into the stadium.

I have friends who live on Railway road and they have not been contacted by anyone with regards to selling up.

In fact Jay (the City Fan) lives on the right of the bridge some 4-7 doors down (not giving his address. lol)

His place would be one of the houses directly impacted by development.

He'd been previously advised regrading the improvements when they were first put up for public review. although the extension would encompass the actual railway the physical building would be bridged over to form a covered station/ platform. It wouldn't require any of the houses to be bought unless it is found to cause irreparable damage to the property through ground disturbance.

Sunlight and shade is said to be of concern however due to the angle of the road they would still get a lot of light in the rear gardens.

Monk.


10.) 31 Aug 2019 06:54:36
Wow good info monk 👍.


 

 

08 Aug 2019 19:12:13
Does anyone know if Hannibal Mejbri signed from Monaco? Has anyone seen him play?

Red Man

1.) 08 Aug 2019 19:35:35
He will join in January when he turns 17 from what I read. Haven't seen him play though.


2.) 08 Aug 2019 19:36:05
Nope redman. He is 16 isn't he?


3.) 08 Aug 2019 19:50:51
Ken

Yes apparently we paid or are willing to pay £9m. Looked a scrawny lad but always interests me to see whether they are good.


4.) 08 Aug 2019 19:55:30
Yeah very highly rated all the big clubs were in for him. Big bucks redman. Its all gone bonkers mate.


5.) 08 Aug 2019 19:59:35
Ken

It has, but somewhere someone will unearth another Ronaldo or Messi. I recall the £12m for Ron but once he played against Bolton, just wow. I left the stadium buzzing.


6.) 08 Aug 2019 20:23:47
Never seen him play, but been told he has plenty of "bite". 😂.


7.) 08 Aug 2019 21:45:44
I'm sure there's a write up ir a video somewhere to get your teeth into.


8.) 08 Aug 2019 21:48:51
Shappy

You don't need to Lecter me on the bite! Perhaps a nice Chianti?


9.) 09 Aug 2019 09:39:29
Bestie was a scrawny lad.


10.) 09 Aug 2019 14:17:03
Yeah ot7 but he wasnt a centre back.


11.) 10 Aug 2019 08:31:47
Ken

This Mejbri is a midfield player is he not. To pay £9m for a 16 year old suggests he may be seen as special.


12.) 10 Aug 2019 10:46:09
Bit of information about Mejbri who was only born in 2003, (I feel old)

Joined Monaco in August 2018 after spells in the academies at Paris FC and AC Boulogne-Billancourt. Monaco paid £1million for the teenager when he was just 14. Played eight games for France u16s and is also eligible to play for Tunisia (dual citizenship) . He made one senior appearance for Monaco last season.
Mejrbi and his family became locked in a legal dispute with Monaco after the Mejbri family claimed the Ligue 1 club broke a contract agreement.
United are believed to have been tracking the teenager for six months with a number of other clubs including Bayern Munich and Arsenal who were said to be interested. £9m is believed to be the fee.


 

 

 

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11 Oct 2019 15:26:27
Rumour is that Chevrolet are not going to renew their shirt sponsorship deal. I suspect this will add more pressure to the decision makers due to our present on field football situation.

Red Man

{Ed002's Note - I would not worry about that.}


1.) 11 Oct 2019 15:40:52
Rumours that club are going to sign an even bigger shirt sponsorship deal than the chevrolet one.

I suspect thise will add less pressure to the decision makers at the club.

{Ed002's Note - There is no shirt deal agreed at this time - and a lot can change in the next 21 months.}


2.) 11 Oct 2019 15:40:54
I don't think they were ever going to renew. They pulled out of the European market a few weeks after they signed on with us.

There will always be a queue of companies willing to be on our jersey. The only thing I'd imagine is, the higher rates would be performance based which can only be good thing in terms of investment in the team.


3.) 11 Oct 2019 15:54:40
Wonder if a new sponsor may have a Saudi connection?


4.) 11 Oct 2019 15:58:54
Good. That logo ruins a nice footie top.


5.) 11 Oct 2019 16:22:52
Worst sponsor ever nou. i mean who even drives a Chevrolet😂.


6.) 11 Oct 2019 16:31:25
Agreed Stevie. The shirts look ugly.

Id forgotten they pulled out of Europe back in 2014. Massive global company though aren't they?


7.) 11 Oct 2019 16:33:27
Rumours that the club are going to sign Mrs Vardy to look after everything to do with social media.


8.) 11 Oct 2019 16:34:30
Well said Mumbles. You beat me too it🤣🤣.


9.) 11 Oct 2019 16:38:09
Tesla are looking to sponsor "sports teams"in Europe to raise the global brand i read a couple of weeks ago😁😁.


10.) 11 Oct 2019 16:53:07
Yeah Stevie, at the time there were rumours that the club wanted them to use a smaller white logo, but they insisted on that horrible massive gold nightmare.


11.) 11 Oct 2019 17:25:01
Could I just clarify. The tops are bought for my son. I am far too hip and funky to be seen dead in a cheap, shiny, nylon shirt.


12.) 11 Oct 2019 17:33:10
Flash forward to Stevie’s funeral where his now adult son has dressed his corpse in the shiniest most nylon United jersey.


13.) 11 Oct 2019 17:51:54
I was working for a shirt printing firm a few weeks ago and they had united shirts printed with different sponsors on, I guess for presentations etc., the list I saw was:
Bank of Montreal
BNP Paribas S. A.
The Bank of New York Mellon corporation
Capital One Financial Corporation
ING Groep N. V.
Lloyd's Bank PLC
Morgan Stanley
PNC Financial Services Group inc.,
Royal Bank of Canada
Societe Generale S. A.
Toronto Dominion Bank
UBS Group AG
Union Credit
VTB Bank
Wells Fargo and Company.

Make of it what you will.


14.) 11 Oct 2019 18:28:08
Chevrolet overpaid and were never going to renew.


15.) 11 Oct 2019 18:50:53
The deal runs for 7 years and ends in 2021 and is almost definitely not going to be renewed. The deal was signed off by Chevrolet global marketing director for £58m a season. He was sacked 48 hours later when the other board members discovered the amount. To put it into perspective the two previous shirt sponsorship deals were AON for £19m a season and Vodafone at £8m a season, i think United pulled off the coup of the century on this one. Our market value is diminishing as things are going so.


16.) 11 Oct 2019 18:57:35
What no Heinz on the list? Lingard will be gutted.

{Ed047's Note - I’m wondering how much Lada are going to pay you for the next deal? 🤷‍♂️😉


17.) 11 Oct 2019 19:14:23
Eh ken, we should be going for local, british, a household name in the UK. No matter what they pay.

No more silly money from companies that nobody knows here 😂.


18.) 11 Oct 2019 21:44:59
Trotters independent traders.
TIT'S how appropriate would that be😂😂.

{Ed025's Note - love it ken..


19.) 11 Oct 2019 22:10:08
But we don't play with 2 up front Ken!


20.) 11 Oct 2019 22:35:23
Ken weres the director in computerization (dic) going to go 😀😀.


21.) 11 Oct 2019 22:41:03
Pampers?


22.) 11 Oct 2019 23:02:12
Love it mad H.


 

 

10 Oct 2019 21:54:52
I went back to 2014 on the BBC for a bit of research.

Ole Solskjaer presented a different vision for Cardiff compared with the defensive approach of his predecessor Malky Mackay, renowned for an unspectacular, yet effective style that gained the club promotion to the Premier League in 2013. He promised a more exciting style, but under Solskjaer the Bluebirds slipped into the Premier League's bottom three for the first time and never recovered, finishing bottom.

Solskjaer then began a big recruitment drive in the summer after relegation. Nine players came in, many of Mackay's men left, but it seemed even with so many new faces Solskjaer didn't know what his best team was. He named a different starting 11 for all of the games he oversaw this season and his tinkering was deemed to have had an adverse effect on results.

"I'm responsible and I should get better results than we've had in the first seven games, " said Solskjaer, who seems to have the ability to remain upbeat in the most trying of circumstances.

The manager may be responsible for the team but many feel the board, and particularly owner Vincent Tan, have to take some responsibility too.

"It was the wrong appointment for Cardiff and the wrong club for Solskjaer, " said former Cardiff captain Jason Perry on BBC Radio Wales. "Do we know how Cardiff City play? No.

"I think only four players played against Blackburn [in the Championship opener] that played against Middlesbrough. He picked a different back four yet again.

"If you're manager or a coach you have a central strategy and you work on that. "

That was 2014, recognise a few things?

Red Man

1.) 10 Oct 2019 22:47:31
Yeah, some posters are prepared to trawl though years worth of articles in order to find a new way to slate and degrade a club legend. How sad.

{Ed047's Note - I don’t see any slating of your club legend nor anything to degrade him.

Redman is simply pointing out your current manager is repeating the same mistakes he made before and in honesty no matter how much of an alleged legend he was as a footballer he is a hopeless manager.


2.) 10 Oct 2019 22:56:18
I said at the time, Solsjkaer set the club back five years. We spent fortunes buying the players he wanted. He left having put the clubs squad in a terrible shape. It was bloated and completely unbalanced. I said at the time he was a terrible appointment which was made to silence fans by putting a friendly face in front of the crowds.


3.) 10 Oct 2019 23:25:57
For God's sake shappy, red man is only pointing out what happened at Cardiff in 2014 and what's happening now, which has worrying similarities. And as LaBamba mentioned, Ole set Cardiff back 5 years.


4.) 11 Oct 2019 04:41:43
Shappy learn to accept facts even if they don't fit your agenda, they are still facts. Unlike the bs You and Dlib were spreading with your essays about angel iniesta, Mason messi and tahith giggs and other great youngsters coming through the ranks who will help us cover our lack of depth problems, how's that reality working out by the way?


5.) 11 Oct 2019 06:12:06
Shappy, to be fair you do the same things. Bring out useless trivia and records and stats to put forth your point.

Redman, absolutely. No wonder people call him the failed cardiff manager. 🤣🤣🤣

Everyone says that Ole knows the club and loves it but anything he or his teams have done over the past 6 months have been the anti-united of football.


6.) 11 Oct 2019 07:10:14
The situation is different now.
More than half of our squad are in the treatment table lol.


7.) 11 Oct 2019 07:22:22
At this point it feels like Red Man has a personal vendetta against Ole. I think most regular posters would have known who wrote that post before they got to Red Man's name at the bottom.

The fact that he is prepared to dig through 5 years worth of articles in order to find something else to slate Ole with is frankly pathetic and everything that is wrong with modern football fans. Desperate to find some sort of "evidence" that they are right. Constantly barking out the same thing.

Red man, you are a long standing poster on here and one who's opinion I have always respected. I haven't always agreed with you but always felt you argued your point well. It's clear you love the club and care for its wellbeing deeply.

Yet I feel you might need to take a step back. 90% of your posts recently have been slating a club legend, a good guy who is only trying to do his best for the club he loves. How many people in a position of power at our club do you feel are doing the best they can out of love for the club? You've called him derogatory names time and again, and all he's done to deserve it is not be a good enough manager.

I agree I don't think Ole is good enough. But I'm not going to abuse him, he is trying his best and is doing it for all the right reasons.

You could literally dig up 5 year old articles on anyone and find negative ones.

I didn't see you last December posting articles from three years previous highlighting the similarities between Manchester United's situation and the final few months of José's reign at Chelsea.

You didn't do that because you rate Jose, maybe even have some affection towards him. Yet your doing just that now to Ole, a club legend. A man who gave almost his entire career to our club, a man's who genuinely loves our club.

That's why it's sad to see, your drive, your desperation to see our club succeed have brought you to the point that you are throwing a club legend under the bus.

I have always thought what set our club apart from others are our traditional values, our affinity with those who have given so much to the club. To see long standing fans turn on our own because of their greed for success is the worst thing about our current situation.


8.) 11 Oct 2019 08:11:02
Shappy,

I will not as you put it take a step back. You don’t control people.

I have said on here many times we learn from history and it is very relevant to learn from five years ago. Solskjaer has relegation history, Mourinho has title winning.

This isn’t about greed for success, I was supporting through every single of the 26 title lean years, this is about survival and Solskjaer is the wrong manager who relegated Cardiff and is damaging us. It’s sentimental and nostalgic to keep him on, not logical.


9.) 11 Oct 2019 08:42:49
Good post red man.


10.) 11 Oct 2019 08:48:49
This is a debate that will never have a proper resolution, so why keep going on about it. There are two viewpoints, end of story. The two 'sides' are never going to agree, so why not all just agree to disagree? This argument has become as tiresome as Brexit.

Ole is out of his depth, and his time in charge will come to an end soon enough. It is obvious for all to see, but there is no need for the constant bitching and whinging about it on a personal level. His reign at Cardiff is completely irrelevant. Different time, different club and quite frankly, Cardiff City was a poisoned chalice for ANY manager at that time. Anyone was doomed to fail because issues much deeper than the manager.

On the flip side, we also need to stop all this emotional nonsense that Ole is 'one of us', and a 'club legend'. Its all bolloxology again. He is a'legend' as a player because of one goal. A great professional that the fans have huge respect and affection for as a PLAYER.
We need to separate that from Ole the manager - who is clearly not up to managing United. It was a mistake that needs to be undone, and I am sure will be soon enough. Bet even then, Ole is not the problem. Moyes was not the problem. LvG was nor even the problem.

The problems were that they were poor appointments in the first place, made by people who do not learn.

So, can we just call a truce on the whole Ole thing please people? It is getting on everyone's nerves and driving people away from the site, or at least people are not posting much because they are getting bored of the same thing over and over again.


11.) 11 Oct 2019 09:40:52
Shappy, you can't be tellin people to stop posting.

RedMan was pointing out facts and i see you do the same withe your ling posts.

Lets not get personal here, a good poster in AJH has left so let's not drive out RedMan.


12.) 11 Oct 2019 09:48:38
Ole has "legendary" status for his exploits on the pitch, particularly 1999- but its obvious he is lacking in experience, ideas and tactical awareness as a manager in the epl. He WAS a breathe of fresh air post JM but whoever decided to give him the full time role has made a mistake but I guess they were cautious/ uncertain as look at his contract length?
He is the manager at this time, and like or loathe it we should as fans accept that fact and support the club as we have little or no say regarding replacement or retention of the manager/ players/ staff/ teamaker. Hopefully we will get players back and a result against liverpool and kick start our season with a hope of a winning run that will see us securing CL next year with a Europa win or 4th spot.


13.) 11 Oct 2019 09:57:45
wow greed for success. i don't no about the rest but i just want to watch decent football insted of crap.


14.) 11 Oct 2019 10:14:41
Brilliant post, Betty. I never thought I'd be more interested in watching the latest Brexit developments, than coming on here.


15.) 11 Oct 2019 10:38:35
Great post betty.
You have a short memory shappy you wrote many a simialar post about jose although they were longer and less accurate😂.


16.) 11 Oct 2019 12:47:53
Nou, let's call it the Ole Backstop and that's the final say.


17.) 11 Oct 2019 14:03:24
AJH has left? Why's that?

I was thinking the same ken 😂.


18.) 11 Oct 2019 14:54:33
I never said for anyone to stop posting, I merely suggested that it might be best to step back from a particular topic as we are clearly never going to agree and it's all starting to get out of hand.

When people start making it personal and calling a club legend derogatory names then it's getting out of hand.

Unfortunately for me the site has become more like a pessimist anonymous meeting where all positivity must be stamped out and you're only allow to be miserable and down beat. It's become toxic.

I don't know about you guys, but I watch and engage with football for enjoyment. Sadly what is on the pitch is limited at the moment. However, we can't change that. But we can choose to talk about more positive aspects of focus on those and try and find something to enjoy about our club.

Either way I don't come on here for this, I come on here to chat about aspect we enjoy about our club and for some good natured banter.

With that in short supply I think it's time I take a break from the site.

All the best guys.


 

 

08 Oct 2019 12:54:32
We dithered or didn't go for it when Pep might have been an option, we dithered and didn't go for it when Klopp might have been an option. Are we now dithering again? Is there someone or a number of people unable to make a decision on what is going on? It is almost like there are ego's that might be bruised if they have to admit the mistake. Esteemed Ed002 says the mistake needs rectifying so it seems like denial of what needs to happen. If they dither again now and miss a manager like an Allegri for example it really shows the other problem, the lack of leadership higher up . Make a decision, deal with the issue now in the International break and let's move on.

Red Man

1.) 08 Oct 2019 13:10:03
Red Man, If the results don't improve soon, it's quite obvious that Ole will be shown the door.

However, I don't understand the obsession with Allegri tbh.
Poch has not won anything and has questionable reputation over transfers.
But he handles young players well and brings the best out of them. So for the moment, he could be the ideal fit considering we have a young squad with promising players coming through the academy.


2.) 08 Oct 2019 13:35:26
We are two years late qith Allegri but its still never too late. Better late then never and we might get back on track.


3.) 08 Oct 2019 13:36:02
First choice would be Allegri, Blanc and then Poch.


4.) 08 Oct 2019 13:48:04
Allegri would be a poor choice. His slow style of play suited Italy which is a slow league anyway. Also he was guaranteed success as he had the best squad with the richest owners and little competition. He would struggle here with this squad.


5.) 08 Oct 2019 14:44:17
He is very good Mort if you give him the resources to back him.

Klopp and Pep ain't going to be around for ever and Allegri is a top coach.


6.) 08 Oct 2019 15:05:40
Red Man - Our owners are predominately motivated by increasing revenue and the value of the Club. If this can be achieved without sporting success then I don't believe they have the inclination or motivation to drive sporting achievement. Sport is surely about competing and striving to be the best yet we have owners that are satisfied with mediocrity if steady revenue streams can be maintained.

This attitude permeates throughout the Club and without a clear vision or strategy nobody really understands their role or what the Club represents. When sporting success at any football club isn't the primary concern chaos reigns.

What the Glazers crave is stability. They desire consistent top 4 finishes, (some attacking football would help), so they can maintain revenue, increase sponsorship opportunities and exploit the brand. Forget looking at the top of the table, those lofty aspirations were retired a long time ago. Despite our retched start we remain only 5 points behind the real target of 4th. With players to return from injury and more than enough time to recover there is no need to panic or change the manager just yet.

The problem is when you set 4th as the standard there becomes no need, motivation or even desire to go beyond this. I think Mourinho suffered most from this inertia. Two trophies in his first season, followed by a 2nd place finish in the league and Fa Cup finalists in his second season; progress was palatable if unspectacular. What the Club needed that summer in order to compete and close the gap with City was significant investment in the playing squad and a determination to back the manager and chase success. In reality parity had been restored, in the eyes of the Club Mourinho was already successful, their ambitions had been met and spending was predictably restricted. No CB or RW were recruited the solitary additions being the lacklustre Fred and the untested Dalot. Mourinho seemingly seething by the Clubs lack of ambition set about his own demise. The rest as they say is history.

Some will point to significant investment in the squad since SAF retired but this is money generated by the Club and its enormous fan base. Our owners haven't invested a single penny of their own money and I think we are more than entitled to expect the Club to reinvest most of its self generated income back into the playing squad. We remain a football Club after all. If this didn't happen than we merely become a cash cow for rich foreign owners to increase their own personal wealth on the back of a footballing institution with over 100 years of rich history. We are a Club rebuilt from the brink of unspeakable tragedy and reinvigorated by a man with an iron will and burning desire to succeed. Unless are owners are able to demonstrate this same courage, desire and vision to prioritise sporting success over personal greed we will continue to languish in the shadows.

We have witnessed similar situations at Arsenal where for over a decade they have been consumed by averageness and mediocrity whilst the Club remained stable and profitable. Whilst the fans embarked on civil war and arguments raged about a lack of leadership, desire and commitment the Club consoled itself by looking at its bank balance. It all sounds a bit too familiar. I look across North London and I'm not convinced Potch's recent "success" at Spurs can be labelled that. Spurs are without a trophy in nearly a decade and whilst top 4 finishes may be celebrated in the board room their best manager in a generation becomes increasing more frustrated and apathetic. He craves success but the Club uses different instruments to measure progress and soon it will be too late to realise what they had. Soon they will find that lovely new stadium half empty and they will only have themselves to blame whilst their excellent manager seeks another Club that shares his own ambition. This isn't just a problem experienced in the corridors of Old Trafford.

Whilst I don't necessarily advocate the methods used at Real Madrid there can be absolutely no doubt about their desire or ambition to be number one. Managers and players are judged by the very highest of standards and their is no confusion or ambiguity regarding the Clubs ambition or aspirations. Only the best is tolerated and if such standards aren't met nobody remains at the Club very long. Like every Club they have periods of transition or stagnation, they have their own ruthless way of dealing with such periods but their expectations or ambitions never change.

Unless sporting success is the absolute priority it will never be achieved. There is little merit in appointing a winner if the Club doesn't want to win. It will only lead to conflict and disagreement. A new manager may temporarily improve results but they won't return us to the top unless the Club are committed to being the best.


7.) 08 Oct 2019 15:47:25
And would be given the resources? We haven't adequately backed the last 5 managers.


8.) 08 Oct 2019 16:36:53
DLIB u can hardly blame Glazers not investing lol.

This is just 1 i.e Man Utd pay Rashford, Martial, Maguire and Mata around £8000000 a year more than Liverpool pay Salah, Van Dijk, Firmino and Mané.


9.) 08 Oct 2019 16:42:07
Well said DLIB. Only new owners will change this. Pray for the Saudi's.


10.) 08 Oct 2019 17:11:00
Kop - Its self generated money made off the name of one of the biggest and most famous sporting institutions in the world. I think as fans we're entitled to expect much of that money to be reinvested back into the Club. We are at football club not a conglomerate business and success should not be primarily measured in shillings and pence.

I'm not naive enough to think that our problems can be fully solved by mere investment alone and my post was more about the Club lacking the vision or appetite for sporting success. Until the Club is committed to being the best and performances on the pitch become the priority with everybody pulling in the same direction our malaise will continue.


11.) 08 Oct 2019 18:11:36
DLIB U failed to undestand finance isn't the reason u have been rapidly going down.

U don't need tons and tons of money to beat the likes of Newcastle etc.


12.) 08 Oct 2019 18:15:47
DLIB if you check out transfer market . co. uk you'll find MU have spent over 4 times more than LFC over the last five yrs, that timeframe covers all of klopps rebuild.

Only city have outspent you over 5/ 10 yrs (not by that much) (how with ffp regs I've no idea) .

Despite this expenditure I'd only take AWB and young James purely for rotational reasons from your squad. Wheres the money gone?

Historically the team that spends the most wins and so on down the league, yet you're 3 to 6 players short according to fans/ pundits, quality strikers are 100mill plus (you need two) , quality AM and CMs are pushing 100mill (you need two) .

Your recent positive financial report (low profits high turnover)
was for the last year you were in the CL, with a warning about a expected drop in the next statement due to no CL this season, there's little chance for next season either which reports say will kick in penalties from addidas.

How you going to spend 400 to 450mill?


13.) 08 Oct 2019 18:34:43
Dlib wjy do you expect that money to be reinvested by the owners in such massive sums
To banks give take there profits and reduce their interest rates for their customers?
Do tesco reinvest their profits to make things cheaper for their customers. Do they hell. Their owners want to maximise their returns just like the glazers.
Do rolling stones do free concerts for their fans because they are already rich enough. Do they hell. very naive if you think the glazers are here to give away their profit.


14.) 08 Oct 2019 18:35:08
That is true Kop, but I think you are missing the main point. Money has been made available and been spent badly. Of that there is no doubt. But the whole culture of the club has changed. There is no longer a desire, a demand even, to be the best. The whole club seems to be happy now with aiming for top 4 just so we can achieve CL qualification - and of course the financial rewards that go with it.
To be the best takes desire and hard work and the correct attitude from top to bottom.
United don't have that any more. We are just happy to tread water and accept mediocrity - as long as the money keeps rolling in.
I know the fans are bickering and arguing, and I know there will always be some who demand instant success. But I honestly think the vast majority of United fans would be content if we could see progress being made, and the club striving towards a common goal - even if it means going without trophies for e few seasons, but that doesn't seem to be the case. We made bad decision after bad decision and don't learn from them. The answer seems to be to throw money at the problem and hope it goes away. And therein lies the problem. It's not just about the 'glory days' but more about seeing progress and correcting the mistakes.
And that is not happening at ANY level at the moment.


15.) 08 Oct 2019 18:55:04
Agree betty! Money isn't the problem.

UTD need a solid structure foundation. Despite citys massive spending they've solid structure/ foundation to rely on.

At the same time football is all abt cycles.


16.) 08 Oct 2019 19:10:45
Thanks for explaining Betty saves me writing another essay 🤣.


17.) 08 Oct 2019 20:24:23
Great post DLIB

The point is Glazer's spend money to Guarantee top 4. When it's achieved they hardly spend like Mourinho's last year.


18.) 08 Oct 2019 20:35:51
Forgot to say it was a great post DLIB, as much as I'm enjoying your clubs struggles I'm trying not to gloat, I'm just fascinated how it can go so wrong for one of the biggest clubs in the world so quickly.

That said how Fergie won his last prem title with that squad I've no idea, the rot had set in well before then regarding recruitment.

{Ed047's Note - because we were stupid enough to see them RVP


19.) 09 Oct 2019 07:02:03
Great post DLIB.

The jokers running the club have wasted the money by investing poorly.

SAF had men with character in the dressing room such as Rio, Giggs, Evra, etc, . who would give everything for the club.


 

 

04 Oct 2019 07:00:27
I read this this morning. "I'm not saying it's going badly, but Bury have won away from home more recently than Manchester United. And they aren't a club anymore. "

As the appointment of the failed relegated (and given his comments) deluded ex Cardiff manager becomes more obvious as an error, one point I read on here adds more concern. 2toms said that after last nights game the look on the young players faces, now including Greenwood and Gomes was "miserable and devoid of ideas"

This is an unacceptable situation. We have had the chosen manager, the special manager, now we have the sentiment manager, if it was anyone else he would have been gone. It shows the decision makers as weak.

Red Man

1.) 04 Oct 2019 09:30:58
Red man, I’ve sent a considered post but it hasn’t appeared yet. We know how you feel as you tell us every day. If I didn’t know better I’d think you were a teenager. Your passion for the club is wonderful to see but the constant sniping and insulting is tiresome. Perhaps you could organise an ‘Ole out’ demo for the next home game.


2.) 04 Oct 2019 09:40:48
To be honest AJH I'm bored of reading the same thing every day.


3.) 04 Oct 2019 10:02:40
That's exactly my thought as well AJH.


4.) 04 Oct 2019 10:05:48
He does say the truth even though it is repetetive. The sooner we cut our losses the better it will be for the club.


5.) 04 Oct 2019 10:10:24
Probably true Singh, but we don't need ro read it again and again.


6.) 04 Oct 2019 10:10:38
The way you call him by everything except his name, just looks childish. Something I'd expect from a teenager having a tantrum. I find it deflects from any valid point you might be trying to make.


7.) 04 Oct 2019 10:21:01
Red Man and 2Toms, I thought exactly the same last night. At one stage, Greenwood was on the right, james down the middle, and Gomes was wide left. Who is telling these players to play in these stupid positions? The manager and his coaches. I saw the look on Greenwood's face when another hopeless ball was played away from him, it is unacceptable. Unacceptable that these kids play with such freedom and aggression and attack minded determination in the u23s, then they come into the first team, and they're stifled with stupid defensive tactics. Let them do what they're good at. Playing Gomes wide left is criminal.

I loved Ogs as a player, and still have immense respect for him, but he's NOT management quality, and certainly not going to do anything at United, apart from possibly get us near the relegation zone.
If we had bought maddison, fernandes and Sancho, would he know what to do with them?

This is getting quite serious now, a team devoid of ideas and confidence. Anyone watching and thinking it'll be alright in the end is not being honest to themselves.


8.) 04 Oct 2019 10:26:41
Singh it may contain part of the truth. I do think there are shortcomings. But as Nou says its the way he makes his point. Its childish. And we know how he feels, there's no need to say the exact same thing 5 times a day every day.

To be honest the next manager that's appointed, if its who I suspect, and its someone I don't want, I'm just going to come on here everyday and whine about it. Hopefully its a manager red man does want and support because then he can see how annoying it is. And yes that would be childish of me but you see I really don't care anymore.


9.) 04 Oct 2019 10:49:42
Mort, if Pochettino is appointed and he plays dour football and goes on our worst run of results since 1989, nobody will be begrudge you coming on complaining. It's a site where we agree/ disagree. The problem with the situation we find ourselves in now is that the Ole debate is bigger than everything else. It's definitely coming to a head in the next few weeks. Not much point debating who should play number 10 while the walls are crumbling around us.


10.) 04 Oct 2019 10:49:47
Exactly Mort.
I really like Red Man's views but it's silly and immature naming someone as the failed one time and time again.


11.) 04 Oct 2019 11:10:53
Feel free Mort.
Personally I just ignore posts I find boring or repetitive so I'd have no objection to your posts if it is poch we get.


12.) 04 Oct 2019 11:12:49
Good idea Tony. Red Man if you do organise that Ole Out demo, count me in.


13.) 04 Oct 2019 11:21:48
Shan you should hire a plane to fly over the stadium with a banner saying ‘get the failed relegated (and given his comments) deluded ex Cardiff manager out’.

That’ll show em.


14.) 04 Oct 2019 11:42:06
I think the best way not to get qound up is to ignore and follow the plan angelred does as that is what i do.

Everyone has an opinion and we should debate each others views rather then slag each other off.


15.) 04 Oct 2019 11:46:09
What I don't get it is seeing people commenting on post they don't like.
Just scroll down and move on. People are not here to please each other.

You guys like to control others. Don't aggree move on.


16.) 04 Oct 2019 12:46:05
Honestly I don't think we would go near Poch. Spurs form since the new year is as bad as ours. I think it would be a left field appointment. Someone like Wenger to finish the season and then do an actual application process.


17.) 04 Oct 2019 13:12:57
Another great idea Danny. Wonder how i didn't get that. Will speak with the Royal Airforce if i could get the queen's helicopter to fly that banner. That ought to do it.


18.) 04 Oct 2019 13:25:04
IBEM, then there would be either just a page of OP's and no discussion, or a bunch of nodding dogs agreeing with the OP.


19.) 04 Oct 2019 15:00:16
Noucamp99,

One thing is people giving their views/ opinions, other thing is people always try to make their "view" as a fact and the other are either crying babies, glory hunters or the puppets.

I'll post every time I feel like to.


20.) 04 Oct 2019 15:15:46
IBEM don’t care Steve, he do what he want.


21.) 04 Oct 2019 15:31:50
Danny, I read your post in the voice of Robert Downey Jr's character in Tropic Thunder 😁.


22.) 04 Oct 2019 15:35:57
So it’s ok to post support for Ole as many times a day as you like but posts that think he is out of his depth shouldn’t be posted, that it’s boring. Those that say to stop repeating it, are they going to tell Shappy and co with epic length essays that it’s boring and must stop it?

Ole is like a rabbit in the headlights and now we are babies. It seems a modern thing, born of a certain political direction to try to silence people.


23.) 04 Oct 2019 15:41:02
Google Cartman saying I do want I want.


24.) 04 Oct 2019 16:06:40
Born of a certain political perspective 🤣

Take off the tinfoil hat Redman. Nobody is trying to silence you, they’re just bored of the repetition.


25.) 04 Oct 2019 16:23:57
You're reading the Daily Mail far too much, Red Man. We really all do have better things to be doing with our time, than trying to hatch a plot to silence you.

Shappy, whether you agree with him or not, at least puts a bit of thought and effort into his posts, rather than just repeating tabloid rumours and repeating childish insults.

I used to do the same when I labelled you and a few others, the chicken licken group a few years back. Then I realised I was actually a grown man and gave myself a good slap.


26.) 04 Oct 2019 16:39:40
Stevie, shappy puts in way too much thought into his essays. I doze of half way. They are almost as entertaining as the things he is trying to defend, the man utd games. Both have the ability to put a patient into slumber without using anaesthesia.


27.) 04 Oct 2019 16:55:21
I genuinely think Red Man is concerned that the team is heading for disaster, I am of the opinion too. So, he's passionate about the team, the club. So why the animosity towards him? How many posts do read every day telling us that the manager will get it right and not to worry. It's been happening for 20 matches and not getting any better, so I don't see Red Man telling everyone to shut up just because their views are different to his. He's merely making a point, and with every performance like we got last night, his point becomes more valid.

So let's get off Red Man's back and just play happy people on here. Everyone has an opinion, everyone's opinion matters and counts. There's no room for sarcasm, animosity or unpleasantness. We all love the club and we should respect each other.


28.) 04 Oct 2019 17:02:33
Red man, For what it's worth, I agree with your view and how passionate you are. I think like many people, you are concerned about our plight. So, no matter what, please continue posting. Everyone on here writes interesting posts and I for one, like reading all of them.


29.) 04 Oct 2019 17:05:29
Unshaven man on the street corner in his slippers, ‘were all doomed I tell ya, doomed’.


30.) 04 Oct 2019 17:31:22
AaA . Redman is a very respected poster imo. Over the years we have had many differing opinions. But have always been good pals so to speak.
I wanted to give ole till jan. But i don't think he is deserving of that time without showing a modicum of improvement.
I don't like the way redman refers to ole by different slightly insulting names but i guess he is doing it to emphasise his point. We have all been guilty of that at some point. But i think its a bit much to be calling him that every day.
This is far from a title winning squad but we have enough without too many injuries to be top 4. There are dozens of managers that could turn this into a more cohesive and effective unit. Ole has us disimproving. i'd love if Alegri were to show an interest and ole could be talked into stepping aside In the best interests of the club.
He has done and is doing his best. He wants to and probably still feels he could succeed. But there are no signs of improvement.
Its a sad and sorry state, and its unusal really to feel no anger or frustration or disgust at a manager you want to leave. I just feel sad. I really like ole as a person and as a player he gave us a moment we all treasure but as a manager he has not been good. It happens. This last 12 months would never alter my feelings about ole. Club legend.


31.) 04 Oct 2019 18:13:52
Playing the victim card doesn't work tho, if you use your posts to slag off others for being little over-sentimental girlies. Anybody who doubted Jose was also lumped into some derogatory group as well. Red Man's done more than anyone on here to try and create two distinct, and antagonistic camps over the last few years, so he can't complain if he gets a reaction.


32.) 04 Oct 2019 18:20:10
Tony, I'll bring my banner with me to the next match, the end is nigh.
But on a serious note, hope we come out with a positive attitude and beat Newcastle. We're capable of that.


33.) 04 Oct 2019 18:28:22
Nice one Steve, been doing my best to antagonise people on here for years, but give Red Man all the credit.


34.) 04 Oct 2019 18:55:03
I once remember noucamp scolding me for jumping on a certain posters posts, and there you are Nou sitting in your glass house throwing stones😂😂😂 maybe time to give yourself another slap stevie😂
I understand noucamp some posters just run people up the wrong way👍👍 we are all only human😂.


35.) 04 Oct 2019 19:44:02
I've no issue with people jumping on other's posts, ken. If you take a strong view on something and keep trying to make others out to be silly, then people are entitled to challenge it. No issues. It's the whingeing when people respond in kind, that annoys me. If you're big enough to dish it out etc etc.


36.) 04 Oct 2019 19:57:42
Im with you there Nou. Big boys.


37.) 04 Oct 2019 22:27:31
Ken allegri? Allegri Ken? O no, not for me thanks.


38.) 04 Oct 2019 23:05:54
Ken, I agree with your sentiments re Ole, I felt angry with Mourinho and lvg, but I only feel sad for Ole, as he's going through such a hard patch. He's aged 10 years in the past 6 months. I know he's trying his best, but unfortunately, I don't think he's got what it takes to become a top manager at this stage. You never know though, if he's moved on and goes to manage other clubs, he might get the right experience to be successful in the future. I just think it is the wrong time for him to be at one of the most pressured jobs in world football. Nothing will make me happier if he can turn it around, but for that to happen, I think Carrick and Phelan have to be moved on, and more proactive and modern coaches have to be employed.


39.) 05 Oct 2019 09:28:26
AAA

We either need to change structure to have a DOF making the manager first team coach, i.e like Barcelona or have the all powerful manager. That needs a leader supported by the powers above him, we don’t have a leader now and they don’t support them anyway.

Phelan is in the job because he was No2 to SAF, not because of his own career, we brought him back from somewhere in Australia didn’t we? . I felt we should have gone for Muelensteen.


 

 

28 Sep 2019 18:20:17
So DDG's long time coach and confidant Emilio Alvarez has left United. Interesting development.

Red Man

1.) 28 Sep 2019 19:42:20
It might be for the best, he hasn't really developed as a keeper over the last few years. Maybe a new coach with a different perspective might be able to help him develop the other aspects of his game.


2.) 28 Sep 2019 20:05:58
No no no Shappy, it’s Ole’s fault. Alvarez thinks he’s a nobody with a poor cv so has bailed before things go tits up. (saved you a job there Red Man)


3.) 29 Sep 2019 06:04:04
lol AJH :)


4.) 29 Sep 2019 06:38:13
Get over yourself ajh.


5.) 29 Sep 2019 07:43:19
Ole has replaced him with the former Cardiff and Molde coach. Progressive.

AJH
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit however if you can’t see our downward journey I suggest spec savers.


6.) 29 Sep 2019 11:06:17
Red Man, of course I can see it, I just don’t see why we have to continually post about it. The ‘plan’ is clear, ship a lot out, replace with younger hungrier players. Whether that plan is working, or working fast enough is a different matter. But people are now taking about relegation which is extreme hyperbole.


7.) 29 Sep 2019 11:42:56
Yep, AJH.

We’re not going to get relegated, and it’s doubtful we’ll finish in the top 4.

The key question the club should be asking now is, will young hungry players want to join the club?

Ole and the club might be talking about changing the culture, and this being a long process, but they have to show players that the club is moving in the right direction and capable of taking their career to the next level.

If you’re a player like Maddisson or Sancho, and you’re thinking about making the next step in your career, why choose United?


8.) 29 Sep 2019 11:57:59
Biggest worry is our lack of goals. No one seems to be able to score. Greenwood is a very good prospect, but he's very young and we can't expect him to perform miracles. Martial and Rashford seem to be injured most of the time.
Relegation? Unlikely, but not impossible. Our record in the past 16 matches puts us in relegation place, so unless there's an upturn in fortunes, we might see us struggling mid to low part of the league. I had us around 11th spot before the start of the season.
Ddg situation is strange, he seems to be making mistakes all the time, so maybe a new coach is a good idea.


9.) 29 Sep 2019 12:12:09
Schmid, I take your pint but I think it’s midfield that is the issue, the forwards are feeding off scraps. If we can significantly strengthen midfield with pace and creativity then we might see more goals.

Danny, I would hope our club still has some pull. I hate the word but I we have a ‘project’ then they will come, Maguire is a case in point.


10.) 29 Sep 2019 12:22:02
AJH

In this post all I did was point out that DDG coach had left yet you then escalated things.


11.) 29 Sep 2019 12:37:58
He might be right there AJH 😂😂

Red man. Richard Hartis is the man I presume you are on about? He's been back since June and was also head of academy goalkeeping and first team goalkeeping coach for some time. He has plenty of experience working with too goalkeepers. He is the least of our worries to be honest.


12.) 29 Sep 2019 12:42:05
AJH

Maguire is a United fan and I expect that had a major bearing on signing. Other players may not wish to play for the failed Cardiff manager or his the clubs project, unless perhaps we pay lots of extra wages to persuade them.


13.) 29 Sep 2019 13:06:14
AJH, the thing is every club has a project.

What is going to convince them that our project is the best way to advance their careers?

These are players looking to make the step to a top level club, and surely other sides will be interested. My point is that it isn’t enough to finish in the top 6, and hope players will be convinced by the project. There needs to be some evidence that we are a clear step up from clubs like Dortmund and Leicester because at the moment we’re not.


14.) 29 Sep 2019 13:10:51
Red Man, I was having some fun at our expense 😃. We ‘now how you feel but you keep telling us. You used the words ‘interesting development’ in your OP as if there is a reason yet to come out. But sheesh, I was just having some fun.


15.) 29 Sep 2019 14:16:35
It appears the bypass surgery was a success. 😂.


16.) 29 Sep 2019 14:22:38
Do you really have to keep calling him the failed Cardiff manager? Its insulting and I'd expect better from a fan of your years.


17.) 29 Sep 2019 14:55:38
Pretty petty, Mort. Especially against someone who provided one of our club's finest moments.

Nice explanation, Angel, though I doubt it fit's the narrative.

Careful, Tony. You'll be getting reported for harassment if you carry on like that.


18.) 29 Sep 2019 15:31:24
Maguire isn’t a Utd fan he’s a Sheff Utd fan.


19.) 29 Sep 2019 15:46:44
Tony, you're right re our midfield. I started off as NoMidfield many years back, and it seems that nothing has been done on that front. It beggars belief how poor we are in that area. Fernandes, Madison were both required, and a defensive midfielder too. Until we sort these positions, we'll always struggle to score.
Having said all the above, 31 shots playing against rochdale and only one goal scored is a damning statistic.


20.) 29 Sep 2019 17:59:43
Red Man. It's disgraceful you keep naming Ole as "failed Cardiff manager" time and time again.
Please show some respect to our club's legend.


21.) 29 Sep 2019 18:34:49
I’ve seen posters call Keane a thug, and Rooney a fat granny fiddler on here.

I agree that it’s petty to call Ole that, but I’ve never seen any pushback to calling club legends much worse.


22.) 29 Sep 2019 19:06:13
Keane was a thug though. He was our thug but he was still a thug. He also gave the single greatest individual performance by a united player I've ever seen. He was a great player and is a club legend. But he had a very dark side to him.
Lets not gloss over that.

Rooney on at least two occasions turned up off his summer holiday overweight. Sorry but that's unforgivable in a professional athlete. I couldn't give a stuff about the granny business. What consenting adults do in they're own time is nobodies business. That said cheating on your Mrs is distasteful.

Great players, club legends. But ultimately human beings with human failings.

Bit different from belittling a club legend trying to do a hard job in difficult circumstances by banging on about an old job from years ago that 99% of managers would've failed in.


23.) 29 Sep 2019 19:29:21
Well said Mort.


24.) 29 Sep 2019 19:29:54
Klopp, Mourinho and Guardiola can't do anything with this squad, what makes you think that Ole will succeed.

I don't think Ole. is the right manager and his sole job ahould be to get rid of play3rs that are not good enought and get top class young players in for the next manager.

Its a rebuilding process and it will take time as what we have done for the last 6 years is criminal by having over paid average players and half arsed players.


25.) 29 Sep 2019 19:51:05
Absolutely Singh. We need a cultural shift.
A team with very high work ethic, good personality and players who will run through brick walls for our great club.

The 3 players which we recruited are ones with the right mentality.


26.) 29 Sep 2019 20:03:40
Fair enough Singh. As long as he continues clearing those deemed not good enough, promoting youngsters and making good buys then it leaves a good platform for himself or a successor although god knows who that would be. I'm not expecting a league title but given how badly we've been ran for over a decade swinging from underinvestment to the recent wild mispends there's a lot to do. We need patience and I think 90% of fans know that.


27.) 29 Sep 2019 20:14:28
I agree with you Mort and TRD. I agree with Redman too and he has a valid point.

We just got to be patient and accept reality that we are a mid table club at the moment. Its nothing to do with managers we have had in the last few tears.

It is more to do with poor recruitment and paying desperate over the top money to players which were poorly scouted.

I can assure you guys that things are going to get a lot worse and we will see lots of games like the Rochdale unti we sort our midfield and forward positions.


No need to get too emotional about things you can't control. To be frank none of us own the club or have any power 2 change things so what is the of whinging as nothing will change until the summer.


Just enjoy life, Sit back, Chill with family and explore the world.


28.) 30 Sep 2019 06:48:03
The job at Cardiff that “99% of others would have failed in”. Do you realise that when our cult manager took over they were in a precarious position but I don’t believe in the bottom three. More important was that he wasn’t sacked after relegation, the owner bought him nine players and it was only after a further disastrous 7 games in the championship that he actually got the sack. That makes him the failed Cardiff manager. Yet people keep saying give him time.

He is a legend as a player, but should not be manager, I hope he resigns, realising the job is beyond him, rather than be sacked, walk away with dignity.


29.) 30 Sep 2019 15:14:04
So, in your own words, he is a legend, yet you can't bring yourself to even call him by his name. Do you refer to Bryan Robson as the failed Boro manager, or Bobby Charlton as the failed Preston manager? It's just childish.


30.) 30 Sep 2019 18:26:36
Nou

What nonsense, can’t bring myself to even call him by his name. I refer to Ole a lot by his name. He is a PLAYING legend, I was at almost all of his home games and when he scored that goal. I will refer to him how I wish depending on the thread. I don’t need to refer to Robson or Charlton as anything but legends because they are not trying to pretend to be United manager.


 

 

 

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11 Oct 2019 12:54:36
I think I would rather have Wayne Rooney short term from Jan to May.

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08 Oct 2019 12:25:02
Love it Bond.

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26 Sep 2019 06:55:11
Caolin

What we are seeing on the pitch is a result of what is happening on the training pitch.

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25 Sep 2019 09:41:46
By the way there are now more rumours of players feeling training is uninspiring and old fashioned.

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25 Sep 2019 09:02:25
Welsh

We need to get the right manager to stick behind, not the failed Cardiff one.

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14 Oct 2019 18:04:30
Virgil

I think it may be closer than people expect. Throughout the 70’s and 80’s when Liverpool were dominant United used to give you some real problems. Pogba, Shaw, AWB and Shaw are rumoured to be fit but that may just be noise. I think it may be a 1 all draw if honest but we need to score first, if you score first I think our confidence could drop.

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12 Oct 2019 09:45:00
Redconl

I think the team will try against Liverpool, the fans will get behind the team more than usual because it’s them and because we are underdogs. However, the quality of our team is poor, will they have been coached to a proper plan and will ingame management be as poor as usual. I posted a few days ago about going to Liverpool games in the 70’s and 80’s where we were notable underdogs and did well, so all is not lost. We may get a draw.

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11 Oct 2019 15:54:40
Wonder if a new sponsor may have a Saudi connection?

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11 Oct 2019 14:21:37
TRD

I posted the other day exactly that when answering someone who was going to their first Utd Liverpool game.

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11 Oct 2019 08:11:02
Shappy,

I will not as you put it take a step back. You don’t control people.

I have said on here many times we learn from history and it is very relevant to learn from five years ago. Solskjaer has relegation history, Mourinho has title winning.

This isn’t about greed for success, I was supporting through every single of the 26 title lean years, this is about survival and Solskjaer is the wrong manager who relegated Cardiff and is damaging us. It’s sentimental and nostalgic to keep him on, not logical.

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