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29 Sep 2025 17:47:29
Whispers are that there has been a meeting today in which the club have defined a style of play which they have told the head coach he is required to play. That is a formation 433.
Who knows if true but if true it's a watershed moment, the club setting a direction is one point but what does it mean if they replace RA? Will the new incumbent be told to play 433? Does it rule out Glasner? Will RA resign if told how to play? Is any of this true?
Rumour site so there you go.
1.) 29 Sep 2025 18:29:07
I can't imagine it's true, it would be a ridiculously dangerous and stupid thing to do.
It's one thing to say the team needs to play a front foot, attacking style of play. And completely another to dictate to a coach/ manager what formation the team have to play. What next which players have to start?
You hire a manager to manage the team, it is down to them how they set their team up, ultimately they will live and die by the results they get.
We have ended up in the almighty mess we find ourselves in by having unqualified people making decisions about which they know very little, certainly not their area of expertise. It would be a shame after all the good work rebuilding the club structure behind the scenes only to start repeating the mistakes of the past.
{Ed025's Note - "it would be a shame after all the good work rebuilding the club structure" ?...when did that good work actually happen Shappy...i must have missed that..
2.) 29 Sep 2025 19:07:41
Interview with Glasner where he speaks about playing the formation he thinks best suits his players. 4-4-2 is his favourite but that doesn’t suit his players at Palace. Speaks very well about formation.
3.) 29 Sep 2025 21:38:40
It sounds plausible.
INEOS came in very strong with Game Model and committing to the club having an identity and style down to youth teams. That went quite with Amorim and the youth have remained successful without 3421.
It makes a lot of sense and means the players signed are for the club not the coach.
Shappy you’re coming across like a contrarian. What Redman says makes aligns with how many clubs operate.
4.) 30 Sep 2025 06:42:03
they would be incompetent if they allow this to continue. amorim is a fraud with nice words. get rid.
5.) 30 Sep 2025 08:53:35
Guessing you’ve seen the post from IndyKaila News on X.
Let’s hope he changes to a 433 but, given Amorim said he wouldn’t even change for the Pope, seems highly unlikely.
Results must improve though, otherwise his exit will be inevitable.
6.) 30 Sep 2025 09:24:18
Personally it feels like the narrative surrounding Amorim has changed, and a new manager will be in place soon. I have a feeling Liverpool will be his last game with a new manager starting after that as there is a decent run of games until new year.
7.) 30 Sep 2025 14:33:17
It feels like there is growing downward pressure on Amorim. While the directors will be reluctant to sack him, and admit they made a huge mistake, they also realise that things can’t continue like this. I wouldn’t be surprised to see interference with coaching decisions, or strong nudges towards a different play style.
However, if Amorim has proven anything, it’s that he’s stubbornly committed to playing his way. It might be a case that he would rather resign than change. But being a head coach, there is also scope for the directors to force his hand. Will be interesting to see how this eventually plays out. Regardless, I can’t see him still in the job by the end of the year.
8.) 30 Sep 2025 20:42:24
What I don’t understand is why are the youth teams still playing 433 and 4231 if the hierarchy hired Amorim to play this 3421.
Seems to me the structure isn’t aligned through the club which is another balls up.
9.) 30 Sep 2025 23:54:20
Or if that rumour is true could the club be trying to save £12m by getting RA to resign instead of being sacked?
10.) 01 Oct 2025 19:38:01
Why would anybody resign and walk away from £12m.
11.) 02 Oct 2025 22:08:49
Did RA not say he would just that, Eric? Or words to that effect at least.
12.) 03 Oct 2025 04:30:27
That’s his problem he is just words!
He says things and then blames it on emotion, in the heat of the moment crap
Great talk the talk man, but that’s all he got
Talks a good game.
06 Aug 2025 17:36:29
Baleba
One or two noises saying he is our next target. Will be interesting to see, certainly looks a powerful central midfield player.
1.) 06 Aug 2025 17:51:34
He'd be the ideal signing, but I cannot see how we could possibly afford him given Brighton will demand around 100m for him.
2.) 06 Aug 2025 18:05:17
Have to say Mainoo and Baleba in a double pivot midfield looks an excellent prospect, I know we are spreading payments a lot, but there cannot be enough left to get Baleba as well.
3.) 06 Aug 2025 18:19:00
Big big money there redman.
A lot of people would have him as their 1st choice. Super player. Would be a great signing but I just can't see it happening this summer.
Who can we get with our budget? Tough position to fill well on a budget just got to hope we get someone. Cas just slow and can't compete in epl.
Mainoo has a lot to prove.
Ugarte is very poor on the ball.
Collyer is miles off the pace and loan will do him good as I don't think he has a long term future.
Wharton would be a great option also but no interest shown in him by the club in don't think he is for sale.
4.) 06 Aug 2025 19:18:08
Fabrizio now confirm we have made an approach but it is a difficult deal.
Who lit a fire underneath our transfer department.
5.) 06 Aug 2025 19:26:12
Could we use any players in a potential deal? It would be a serious window if they pulled this off.
6.) 06 Aug 2025 19:30:50
Baleba is the real deal
Eats the ground for fun. Ideal player to set the attackers free.
7.) 06 Aug 2025 19:58:07
Even more reporting it now - even Ornstein and Romano. €100m asking price (£87m) so that suggests there’s a deal to be had around £80m.
For me, this is the ‘sales funding a further purchase deal’. Cunha’s initial payment went on the 24/ 25 accounts and I believe we had around £60m to spend this summer: £20m on the first down payment for Mbeumo and £40m on the first down payment on Sesko.
Let’s see if we can sell the likes of Malacia, Antony, Garnacho, Sancho and maybe even Casemiro and Hojlund.
Baleba on top of the others in so far gets us top 6 comfortably.
{Ed025's Note - really Downsie?, unless you address the keeper situation , the lack of quality defenders and the gaping hole in midfield i would say 10th would be the best you can accomplish this season mate..
8.) 06 Aug 2025 19:59:54
Just can't see it happening, suspect its laying the foundations for next summer window as statement of intent and get the player dreaming of turning out for us.
A couple of rumours he has said yes and hopes Brighton will open talks at least, possible loan and obligation to buy to meet FFP.
I am doubtful but you can't say Ineos are being shy of a challenge now in recruitment.
Possibly also a positioning strategy to see if Atlanta get realistic about Ederson or perhaps even Sporting and Hjolmund.
I still. expect us to settle for eother Ndidi as a stop gap or Luiz on loan. Gone very quiet on the Nmecha front but don't write that deal off either as Utd and Vivell really rate him as does Wllcox.
9.) 06 Aug 2025 20:23:32
Maybe if we sell Garnacho, Antony and Sancho. I hope we sign someone in the midfield and then get Baleba the next summer.
10.) 06 Aug 2025 20:43:08
Ed025 - lack of quality defenders? Yoro walks into any side in the PL bar perhaps Arsenal and De Ligt is criminally underrated. Add Licha and Heaven into the mix - only one game per week remember.
Yoro De Ligt Heaven
Amad Fernandes/ Mainoo Baleba Dorgu
Mbeumo Sesko Cunha
Is comfortably the best United side post-Fergie.
{Ed025's Note - bit early to tell with Yoro Downsie but he looks the best of a very bad bunch for me mate. De ligt is absolutely S**** and Heaven has hardly pulled up any trees but at least he does have scope to improve, Martinez is a joke and Harry is well...Harry, Bruno is your only decent Midfielder and the rest dont get in any top 10 team, Mbeumo looks very good and Cunha definitely improves you and if you do get Sesko..(big IF) your attack could look very impressive, the problem is though that you may have to score 4 to get a point with that defence and especially that guy you call a keeper, sorry to be so blunt and of course this is only my opinion but i do like United and respect them as a great club, but its no use me telling lies or even making outrageous statements like they could easily make top 6, thats just pie in the sky and i think we all know it my friend..
11.) 06 Aug 2025 21:17:53
Zero chance of this happening. Unfortunately. Brighton don’t want to sell, and will set a crazy high price.
The young lad at Middlesbrough could be a good buy. Around £20m.
12.) 06 Aug 2025 21:46:03
Baleba, I would need to huy a lot more tissues if we got him this summer.
13.) 06 Aug 2025 22:12:33
Ed025, you sound exactly like germansuppclub
could it be? .
{Ed025's Note - no rkc, i talk sense mate.. :)
14.) 07 Aug 2025 06:42:40
Yoro never walks in to any team in the top 4 that’s red tints on full blast…. Yes he is the best of our lot, but that don’t say much (but he could get better along the way being only young and got some pace) when most of them are very poor and not at the level required especially Deligt, Martinez, McGuire I would even add Dalot to the not good enough along with Shaw and only one I would keep is Maz, not because he is great but he can play a few positions so ideal in the squad. All GKs are waste of space, add our poor midfield to that, Ugarte diabolical Mainoo, no mobility or pace Cass now past it for the EPL, we have a dreadful Midfield and defence and GK, so top 4 is just not reality Top 6 is whilst not impossible it’s red tints viewing!
15.) 07 Aug 2025 10:29:14
You know what German, every fan wears their teams tinted glasses. And why not?! Football is about supporting a team against the world. Arsenal fans every year think they’ll win the league and are the best team in the league, Newcastle fans think they’re in with the big 6, Liverpool fans think they’re the biggest club in England having won 2 titles in 30+ years, we think we’re the best despite a decade without the title, City fans think they’re the greatest team ever to play football. Who cares?! It’s what supporting a team is. I genuinely don’t know what you get out of supporting United, if in deed you actually do?!
I don’t mind fans having an opinion but when they speak like their points are factually true, the arrogance of a nobody on a fans forum amazes me and makes it all a little less enjoyable.
16.) 07 Aug 2025 13:29:22
Relax Ports, he just has his black tints on all the time ?.
17.) 07 Aug 2025 14:29:43
Frankly some people just never seem satisfied. Its not FM, you can't change 18 years of incompetence in 2 years. We did great business last summer for defenders. We are doing great business this summer for attack. Next summer we will go big again on the midfield with proper attitude and ability to fit the team style of play which is now crystal clear.
Cup half empty is just a ridiculous mindset. Go back and look at all the negativity even after we signed cunha on we are still inept
, why so long for Mbuemo, you'd have killed at that point for 2 more top quality signings that are also long term buys, so why not see where we are at once the window closes. I do think we will bring in a Gk and a midfielder, just not the perfect ones unless we can shift all our flotsam and get another maybe like Hojlund or even Greenwood sell in clause come i to play. At least the front 3 are exciting and the defence is well stocked at least u til next window. Be happy with what we have done, its called progress and moving in the right direction. How are all posters not delighted with that. And sorry German, I've been reading your posts for a year now and if we won the treble i'm convinced you'd be moaning we didn't try winning the Stanley Cup or Wimbledon. Pure gaslighted with zero joy in theor soul. Even during the Fergie era we signed some utter donkeys. Transfers are always a risk, hence the most successful manager in our history was extremely fortunate we had 7 academy stars for a decade with one or two great buys. Even during his tenure we never had a GK come through and only Gary Neville, with possibly a good all round squad player in Phil as a top player, wes Brown, john o'shea good squad players but we had to buy Evra, Vidic, Bruce Pallister, Ferdinando, Schmeichel, Van Der Sar, its nowhere near as easy to deliver results as it is to criticise the lack of them.
We've been a shambles for years but the last window was okay despite the incompetence of ETH judgment on players and we backed him, now we are backing Amorim but surely anyone can see that Amorim has a very clear grasp on the ability, skills, player profiles and the mentality and cultural fits that make his system work. Finally, someone with clarity at manager level, who won't take any rubbish, and isn't afraid of confrontation or change of bad behaviours and is being careful who they buy along with a great approach to recruitment. Its never going to be perfect but if 2 out of 3 of these attackers come good, its a huge improvement.
18.) 07 Aug 2025 08:27:21
Actually seems the opposite of talking sense.
19.) 08 Aug 2025 01:11:39
Bollocks, German. Yoro walks into any team. Best defender I've seen since Rio.
20.) 08 Aug 2025 06:24:16
No need to make inflammatory remarks noucamp, but you are really making it up as you go along, if you really believe that Yoro walks into any team, that’s just laughable and deluded.
30 Jun 2025 13:08:18
Rumours say 14-year-old wonderkid JJ Gabriel has committed his future to us following a crucial intervention from Jason Wilcox and director of football negotiations Matt Hargreaves
Great news if true.
1.) 30 Jun 2025 17:29:33
That is correct Redman, he has committed his future to us and as you rightly point out Jason Wilcox and Matt Hargreaves played a huge part in it.
I know someone at the academy and was told a little while back that the likelihood was he would leave this summer, with every major club in Europe desperately trying to sign him.
I saw his debut for U18s, just a kid, yet he scored his first goal within minutes of coming on. Indeed he has made 3 U18s appearances and played a total of 71 mins and scored 3 goals, one every 24 mins!
The club are very, very keen to try and keep him under the radar as much as possible as they, rightly, do not want to overload him with expectation levels at his age. Indeed, it was noticeable when he came on for his debut that the T. V. commentators did not big him up at all, in fact they just said his name, clearly they did this under order's from above!
One word of caution, he will have another option to leave upon his 16th birthday, so hopefully all goes well for him in the interim. Think he may well be in U18s squad on a regular basis from now on. Whilst he is a phenomenal prospect we all know the number's of youngster's who turn potential into achievement is pretty low so very much finger's crossed for the long term.
One other rated academy prospect 16 yr old Jayden Ngwashi has also agreed a 4 year contract, again despite numerous other offers.
Has to be recognised that the work from Ineos over last 12 mths is the reason he has stayed, the signings made and also the clear opportunities being given into the first team squad.
Not only Diego Leon arriving tomorrow, but also another very highly rated youngster Enzo Kana-Biyik an 18 year old centre forward whose contract with Le Havre is expiring today, again chose us despite others very keen to sign him. It's expected he will be going out on loan to FC Lausanne.
Finally, Jonny Evans has today been appointed as Head of Loans and Pathways, helping to progress the careers of the club's young player's.
The future is bright, it's not orange, it's most definitely RED.
2.) 01 Jul 2025 16:28:27
While it is good to see so many prospects, I doubt we will ever see the number come through like 92. If we get 1 or 2 that turn into regular first team players that is a great return on the investment.
3.) 01 Jul 2025 23:21:35
You may well be right Grim, but what made the CO92 so memorable was the fact they all came through at the same time. How many breakthroughs were there the previous 5 years? or the 10 years after after them?
With what we have building in the academy I can certainly see a fairly steady stream of prospects coming through. There is a very clear strategy of investment in top young talent, with the fingerprints of Jason Wilcox all over it.
It should also be remembered that a big objective of this strategy is to produce players who can be sold in the £15m-£20m range, obviously to provide additional funds for investment in the first team squad. Very effective if it can be achieved.
13 Jun 2025 06:36:56
The other day i saw that Munro, a youth centre half who impressed the one time I saw him, had signed his first pro deal. Add to that yesterday, United signed Harley Emsden-James, 16, from Southamptons academy.
We will pay Southampton a £1million compensation fee with a 20 per cent sell-on clause.
Emsden-James is a centre-back said to have physical skills with technical ability on the ball, he could potentially develop into an all-round centre-back with leadership skills.
1.) 13 Jun 2025 07:56:31
Great to see us building from within. Personally think quite a few from the youth setup will get opportunity this season.
2.) 13 Jun 2025 09:20:19
Despite all the rubbish that has been going on at the club at senior football level, we certainly seem to be doing well in the youth area. If we can get one youth player regularly in the squad each year and give out a few debuts, we are doing well as a club and I do think it's important to keep the tradition and record of over 4000 games with a youth product in the first team match squad. Sadly they won't all make it at United, but if we can help them get good solid careers in the game then the academy is doing it's job.
I'd be delighted if in 5 years time we had a starting 11 with Heaven, Kukonki, and Emsden-James as defensive options alongside Yoro in the squad, Mantato, Lacey, Ibragimov, Martins in the squad too. Unheard of now but that would be brilliant.
05 Jan 2025 13:24:00
Make of it what you will, but Garnacho has deleted his Twitter account this morning.
1.) 05 Jan 2025 13:50:05
I would imagine he's been advised to do so to prevent him from digging his hole any deeper - he does have rather a dim bulb.
2.) 05 Jan 2025 19:35:49
And he stopped coloring his hair, he probably wants to become a footballer again ?.
3.) 05 Jan 2025 20:18:43
He’s also got an assist at Anfield more importantly.
4.) 05 Jan 2025 22:17:57
Garnacho has the talent, but it's whether he has the mentality to make it. He's made some poor decisions and shown his childish tendencies a little too often.
It's harsh, but when you play for Manchester United you have to grow up fast or you'll fade away.
I think he needs better people around him advising him, as many of his faux pas could have easily been avoided if he listened to some sound advice.
I've said previously that he doesn't have a natural spot in this Amorim system based on what he's shown himself to be as a footballer so far. He will need to get his head down (figuratively speaking, on the pitch however he needs to lift his head up) and round out his game. The only place for him is in one of those No.10 roles, but he needs to be more like Messi than Ronaldo I that position. He needs to be creative, hard working and a team player. He needs to learn to link with his team mates better, play for them.
If he does that then he'll become a top player, if not then he'll be gone within two years and risks becoming another Januzaj.
I thought he looked a better today against Liverpool, he played the assist to Amad rather than smash the ball at goal from a tight angle. That was a good decision and showed what he can do if he lifts his head and looks for his teammates.
5.) 06 Jan 2025 06:18:50
Good on him.
He looks a shadow of himself on the pitch at the moment. I hope it's a "full focus on football" type of choice.
If I were a professional footballer, i'd have no social media whatsoever.
6.) 07 Jan 2025 02:26:51
Liverpool fan in peace here and I think it is a good sign that Garnacho has deleted his social media accounts. I always found him to be a good prospect for you lot but he seems to have lost his way a bit since the start of the season. It didn't help that the fans and media were building him up to be the main man in the team, which understandably contributed to him developing a bit of a big head. Hopefully this is a sign that he is putting his head down and is working hard on himself again.
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07 Jun 2026 19:35:22
Can I wish Christian Eriksen all the best. Difficult but I suspect this may be the end of his career.
1.) 07 Jun 2026 20:26:11
Shocking to see, and, sadly, probably the incident that will call time on a great career.
The fact that he has managed to play on for another 5 years since his first incident in 2021 shows how far we have come with sports medicine.
I wish him a speedy and full recovery.
30 May 2026 14:23:00
So on 21 May I said “One place Iraola may go is Liverpool. That would be interesting.”
Now it looks like it may indeed be Liverpool. It would answer AJH’s question a week ago on who was in the queue for him.
I would rather they had kept Slot.
1.) 30 May 2026 14:38:00
Gutting to think they'll get an exciting, up and coming manager who plays great football with an average Bournemouth team. While we're stuck with an average manager, who in all likelihood won't be here in the next couple years, and we have to start the process all over again.
2.) 30 May 2026 15:12:18
We're all doomed!
Let's see if he can step up. Time will tell.
3.) 30 May 2026 15:33:24
I rate Iraola. However, the pressure at Liverpool will be a lot more intense than at Bournemouth.
4.) 30 May 2026 15:46:49
I think he has a big job on his hands.
They need centre backs (plural), wingers (plural), and a fullback for each side.
Plus, he has to come up with a way to fit Wirtz and Szoboszlai into the starting lineup. Szoboszlai was one of their best players this year, and you can't spend over £100m on a player only to bench him.
I feel like they wasted a lot of money last summer bringing in square pegs, rather than building on what was already working. I suspect that we won't see the best Iraola can do at Liverpool for a few years.
5.) 30 May 2026 15:57:44
I think Iraola is a very good manager, and the worst case scenario is that he has a similar effect as Klopp with his style of play. However, it could as easily fall apart, and the difference between the smaller and larger teams is huge, and getting the players to buy in is not easy, so it could easily fail.
On Carrick, the negativity is crazy, and it almost feels like we just wanted the new shiny thing (I may look back with egg on my face).
I think we will see a different style and adaptability with the new players, and a pre-season to embed his style, which for large parts at Middlesborough was successful.
We need to get behind the manager and team until things change. We will know by Christmas whether it was a good or bad choice for us, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City. Until then it is all guess work.
6.) 30 May 2026 17:01:30
Isak was excellent at Newcastle. He got injured early and never got going, that was on top of losing Jota, Diaz, and Nunes, and a downturn in Salah's form. I can see things improving radically under Iraola if he has a healthy Isak and Ekitike, maybe with Diomande or Rayan as Salah's replacement.
It would not surprise me if Ratcliffe really wanted Iraola but it had simply become impossible not to give Carrick the opportunity.
7.) 30 May 2026 17:07:33
Ajh,
If Iraola does go to Liverpool, who do you think will finish higher in the league, Iraola's Liverpool or Carrick's United?
Who do you think will be sacked first?
Not trying to be clever, but wondering what you think.
8.) 30 May 2026 18:00:23
None of us know, Red Man. Most of us thought Liverpool would walk the league at the start of the season.
It's a big step up for him. He may rise to it, or it may overwhelm him. I have no idea which.
Same goes for Carrick. Sorry to sit on the fence, but. ?
9.) 30 May 2026 18:41:32
AJH
Yes, a bit of an unknown. I guess we don't know how Iraola deals with big-name players yet. Tactically excellent, mind you.
10.) 30 May 2026 18:49:28
Iraola could be great, could also be like Frank at Spurs. Time will tell.
As for Carrick, I have become more hopeful over time. My one qualm has been our style of play, but he has dealt well with what he had at his disposal, and if there was a manager who would understand controlling the midfield, it would be him.
So let's see what he can do with a good summer. Am quietly optimistic.
11.) 30 May 2026 22:09:14
Realistically, Liverpool player-wise are at the moment in a better position than us. Their defence is stronger, with a real leader in VVD.
Midfield, as things stand, they are stronger, and in attack we are probably level, although if Isak fires, he is definitely better than Sesko.
They probably need a central defender alongside VVD, possibly another defender who can cover left and right-back positions, and a replacement for Salah. Iraola has proven he can build a team at Bournemouth who play on the front foot, and so the Liverpool players will relish getting back to that Kloppesque style of playing.
Integrating Wirtz and Isak, with no distractions like they had last season, will help the manager to get them back on track quickly enough.
It's much, much harder for Carrick. He needs players right through the spine of the team, plus full-backs, and has to have a bigger squad to contend with more matches.
12.) 30 May 2026 22:14:10
I wouldn't say VVD was a leader, to be honest. He doesn't organise very well. Szobozslai seems their best leader going into the new season.
13.) 31 May 2026 00:04:31
When I saw highlights of Liverpool recently, VVD was the player shouting at players to be in their right positions, and, like Casemiro for us, it was VVD who scored some good goals when needed most.
14.) 31 May 2026 07:50:47
Salford, I'm not sure that Liverpool's defence is better than ours, as you claim.
Frimpong or Dalot? Dalot.
Konate or de Ligt? de Ligt.
van Dijk or Martinez? van Dijk.
Kerkez or Shaw? Shaw every time.
Bradley or Mazraoui? Maz.
Gomes or Maguire? Harry.
Robertson or Yoro? Robertson.
15.) 31 May 2026 11:40:07
Salford, Liverpool are defensively in at least as bad a shape as we are. They have some good players but little balance, and they lost identity last summer. Previously, they had a clear identity of hard-working players who facilitated their genuine superstar, Salah. But they've populated the squad with players who themselves are used to being the focal points. They may regain balance with Salah going, but I think our balance in attack is much better than theirs.
The problem there is that they'll need to offload some very expensive players in order to get back to the style they want. Fwiw, I said exactly this last summer. It's not hindsight. This should have been obvious to Hughes and Edwards, and I feel a bit for Slot. I don't think any manager could've made it work.
16.) 31 May 2026 11:50:12
I would take their two full backs Kerkez and Bradleyb, because both are equal or better than ours offensively, and are younger with more potential. de Ligt misses too many games.
Gomes is younger and faster than Harry.
Both Frimpong and Mazraoui are not proper full backs, but Frimpong offers more going forward.
Robertson is better defending and attacking than Yoro, but he has lost a yard of pace which will never come back. Yoro is still raw, young, and I hope will improve.
17.) 31 May 2026 15:25:28
Yoro and Robertson play completely different positions. It's an unfair comparison.
18.) 31 May 2026 21:01:02
You could definitely forge a half decent defense from the two back lines.
Frimpong and Kerkez will kick on this year and be streets ahead of Dalot and Shaw.
Van Dijk is in decline, whereas we have players like Heaven in an upwards trajectory. They also have a couple of young CBs on the rise.
19.) 31 May 2026 21:12:02
Both Robertson & Konate are also both leaving in a couple of weeks, so not really a fair comparison of the clubs' positions going forward. Could easily have included Leoni & Jacquet, although judging either would be hardly fair, as one only played a single game in the PL and the other has yet to join, but would at least make a better comparison of the strength of depth going forward.
27 May 2026 06:38:03
Once it was “no value in the market”, now despite saying we want “best in class”, we are now “unwilling to overpay”.
I get it, we don’t want to be in a bidding war for Anderson. However, we tried that with last year's intake and paid what the clubs wanted in the end.
Anderson is the stand out player, if he isn’t in the shirt next season then I think it’s a mistake. No doubt people will say it’s too much but are likely to be the same ones saying it’s not our money.
1.) 27 May 2026 07:18:02
Red Man,
Egikdt, u agree with you. I think he wants City.
2.) 27 May 2026 07:42:52
MH
I know. If he wants City, ok, he may underestimate us.
However, we have had, what, 25 years of excuses under the Glazers. The latest "unwilling to overpay" just annoys me to hear. Why not just say "protect our dividends".
3.) 27 May 2026 08:59:28
What's your reliable source for this story, Red Man.
I've read the same article, you don't mention that he gave the ball away 17 times per game last season on average. You berate Bruno for giving it away less.
There were several stories this morning. Another saying we are calling him continuously, trying to convince him to join, but you don't quote that as it doesn't show bias against the ownership.
You are so transparent, we can see through your bias.
You have no idea what's true, so you quote random stories but don't quote the random stories that say the opposite.
You are biased and have a completely biased view, everybody here can see it.
Every single respectable news outlet is reporting that answers on has agreed terms with City. If that's the case, we need to move on. Let him go there and give the ball away 17 times a game in a position much deeper where you didn't like Bruno giving it away. Perhaps him losing possession so often in bad areas is why Forest struggled so much this season.
4.) 27 May 2026 09:01:22
How can you say you know he wants City, but also say it’s a mistake from us if we don’t get him? How much would you be willing to pay for him then?! City go in at £100M. He wants them. What do we offer? £110, £120, £150M?! For a player who doesn’t want to come to us? Then his wages?
We’ve spent over a decade getting mugged off by clubs, players and agents, and I think there is still an element of that that we are trying to undo. Everyone on here, I suspect, wants Anderson as the number 1 signing, but sometimes it’s just unrealistic. I don’t think we paid what Wolves or Brentford wanted last year for Cunha and Mbuemo.
I think we did better, and I believe at the time reports of their valuation and what we paid were different in our favour.
What we all don’t know for sure at the moment is whether we have a chance or not of getting Anderson. It’s only reports that he wants City; I don’t believe anything concrete from his side has come out stating this?! We also don’t know his feelings on United, and whether Guardiola leaving changes things for him. If there’s a chance and United say they won’t match the offer, then fair enough, we can be critical. If there is no chance of getting him, then you’re creating something out of nothing.
5.) 27 May 2026 09:31:17
Bruno in CM gave it away in dangerous areas. Anderson passed his audition at OT with flying colours. Superb player.
If he wants City that's fine, but what I rail about is the language around it as explained.
Yes, I am totally biased against the Glazers. I made absolutely no secret of it, even when people on here told me they were ok. I understand the financial implications, and understood it at the time they arrived and said so.
Poor things have had to do without dividends for a couple of years. I also am not impressed with Ratcliffe for enabling the Glazers to stay. So yes, Glazers out, Ratcliffe out.
If he wants City, say so, walk away, but don't give us a new saying "unwilling to overpay".
6.) 27 May 2026 12:25:14
Red Man, you and we all have been in the game for a long time, so we know that teams don't pay what they are asked to. You forget that some reports say that City only wants to pay 80 million, instead of Forest's 105 million asking price. It's negotiations, you can't just go and pay what they want.
City don't pay, and sometimes walk away from deals if the price is too big and not fair, like with Maguire.
Furthermore, we will always have the "unwilling to overpay" excuse for players that reportedly prefer other teams, to save face.
7.) 27 May 2026 13:06:22
RedMan, the challenge, especially for a club like United, is that you don't want to publicly go around saying we wanted X but he chose to go to Y. Better to say we wanted X, but under certain conditions which didn't work out.
8.) 27 May 2026 13:42:15
The club have said nothing. No comment at all, but you still quote like they have said something when they haven't.
Auditions are more than 1 game long, don't be so knee-jerk. The fact that he averages losing possession 17 times in a game can't be lost on you.
More than Bruno when he was playing deeper. So, please compare apples with apples, and stop extracting bits that suit you.
I like Anderson a lot, but there are 2 sides to every story, we can't just stamp our feet and talk about only 1 of those sides.
9.) 27 May 2026 17:52:00
TW,
Someone is feeding lines to the press.
I will talk about what the owners have done, we watched City buy players like Aguero whilst saying no value in the market. We saw what replaced Ronaldo when they got their £80m to hold up the financial accounts.
If a football decision was made because of someone losing the ball, that's one thing. However, we all know United decisions are not made on that alone, and I do think this overpay rubbish is an underlying issue. Rice went to Arsenal, where were we?
There are two sides to every story, the football side and the financial one.
AM2,
I understand the dynamics and am acutely aware of how to negotiate. Yes, there are challenges, but spinning it as they have done for a long time should be seen straight through.
Heaven,
Agree, but on Maguire I wonder if City played us a bit. Yes, I understand negotiations and have that in my skill set, yet did we not end up paying what clubs wanted for MBueno, Sesko and Cunha anyway? Just wasted weeks.
10.) 27 May 2026 21:18:34
Redman there are reports from Romano or whatever he calls himself that's we have been pestering Anderson to sign continously calling him. But you don't like that story so don't mention it. Who is feeding those lines. Time to stop making assumptions because they suit you.
I think Anderson is top target but if we can't convince him then so be it we need to move on.
Its a much better story from the club that we opted out instead of saying he chose city. Your bias as you say and will find fault with everything they do or don't do. Its hard to have a proper discussion when you live in your own echo chamber.
11.) 27 May 2026 21:23:00
Our owners, Redman, are one of the biggest spenders. It's not what they spend, it's who they spend it on. When Arsenal paid 95m for Rice, we were busy spending on Eth's love children, like Onana and the other little twerp on the left wing. So it's not a lack of spending, it's a lack of spending wisely.
Hopefully your ego will let you admit that.
12.) 27 May 2026 21:47:25
TW
Not getting into a deep discussion on our owners at this time of evening. Look at the costs of the debt & the debt still remaining, and the issues it causes us. Over a billion in costs. That could have gone towards building a stadium.
More difficult to borrow with existing debt.
No excuse for what they have done, none.
If Anderson doesn't want us, then I agree, move on. However, let's not give out the messaging that is out there.
13.) 27 May 2026 22:46:35
Red Man, even if you end up paying what they asked (Mpuemo, for example), you have to negotiate and not be taken for granted. Sometimes you will lower the price, sometimes you simply wont, but as you know, you must negotiate and I think you disagree because you are biased.
I dont think money will be a problem if Eliot chooses us, we will negotiate and find a solution with Forest.
But until he chooses us, we must save face, saying that we cant pay the price. The only way we cant compete with City is if they give him double our wages, but I dont think thats the case.
14.) 28 May 2026 06:51:59
Heaven
Negotiations are part of my business skill set, so I understand. SAF wasn't able to pay the price because of Glazernomics; they said there was no value in the market. Now we can't pay the price, and it's unwilling to overpay. Can't pay, don't want to pay, because dividends and profit are at stake, which drives these things.
I would be surprised if he hasn't made his mind up already, and City are waiting to see the price drop. I want to be his first choice, but top players like that have choices.
15.) 28 May 2026 12:59:05
I don't think it's about dividends. I think it's a strategic decision by Beralda. At City they used to buy players at a 60-70 million rate, so if, in 2 years' time, the transfers didn't work, they could sell. City could make a lot of 60 million transfers instead of fewer 100 million.
Of course you understand negotiations, but the problem is you think it's all about dividends if we don't pay the asking price for a player. What if we don't, but then go and pay more, as a sum, for other players and spend, say, 300+ million? At the end of the day, you forget that we are the biggest spenders, and that doesn't suit your opinion about only caring about dividends and not spending.
And, of course, the problem is that if you overpay once or twice, then you will always overpay and go back to the period we paid the biggest transfer fee for a defender that cost 20 million, Maguire.
20 May 2026 13:12:32
Hi Ed
Welcome your thoughts on Iraola
1) His ability, is his potential going to take him to the elite level?
2) Where you think he will go next?
3) Have United missed the boat by ignoring him from the process?
{Ed001's Note - 1. He is already an elite coach imo.
2. Looks like Palace as they want the kids to be educated in Spanish and there are private schools in London that Palace will enrol them in.
3. Not for the long term.}
1.) 20 May 2026 15:01:27
As i understand the situation, it was mainly between Carrick and Iraola. We went for the safest choice, and i mean what our people think its safest, or Iraola rejected us because he wanted London. Ed maybe can help us with this.
As things stands, and if he goes at Palace and not to one of our rivals, that's perfect. Because if Carrick doent work then in 1-2 years we can go for Iraola, if his wife allows it :P
2.) 20 May 2026 18:08:39
There are some excellent Spanish schools also in Manchester.
I'm not convinced we stretched our net very wide at all with Carrick on his winning run.
I also don't buy this "no top coaches/managers out there".
Ineos put themselves in an impossible situation, which seems to be the norm with them, unfortunately.
3.) 20 May 2026 17:52:54
Thanks Ed
Given what he has done at Bournemouth, I don't think Palace is that big a step up.
Out of interest who do think would have been the best choice for United?
{Ed001's Note - Iraola would have been I think. I love Iraola, I think he is vastly underappreciated in England.}
4.) 20 May 2026 19:24:35
Amen Ed. And he ays a decent brand of football ?
5.) 20 May 2026 20:44:14
Ed
Thanks, he was well above Carrick in my list and someone I thought should definitely be considered.
6.) 20 May 2026 23:07:20
Do we know he wasn't considered?
Do we know if he said he wasn't interested?
I too think we should have tried for him but we don't know.
We can all make assumptions but simply don't know.
I don't believe for one second that there were no discussions about other coaches and other names considered.
The only thing we do know is that they have the job to Carrick.
We also know he out performed iraola a lot of our fans would take half the Bournemouth team. So we can't say iraola has worse players in his team. So why has he not done even as well as Carrick this season.
Keepers are pretty equal.
They have a better lb and cbs than ours you could argue. Can't think of their rb but he must be better than dalot
Very good forwards and midfielders that we covet.
But yet he's not done as well as Carrick and was behind us when amorim was in charge too.
Its not a dig at him I too would think he could step up and become a top manager.
But he's not done any better than they guy we've chosen. So that is probably part of their rationale and they must believe that Carrick has as good a chance of stepping up at united as iraola has. The difference Between the 2 as they might see it is that Carrick has proven he can get results.
He's proven he can get them with a poor squad he's proven it at united.
Ill caveat that with its only over half a season but he took over at a time when there was a cloud over the club and he has turned it around.
Redman i'd suggest that this in charge know a lot more about the work Carrick has done around the club than you or I.
He has also turned the press around and TV reports. He has handled everything so impressively off the pitch also which no incumbent since fergie has done.
Ole and eth lvg moyes Jose amorim ranick were all a disaster in that regard. In the case of eth amorim and ole imo they were buffoon with the press. When that happens your done for.
You won't consider any positive about Carrick and generally fail to recognise any positive aspects of his appointment.
Give the guy a chance to prove he can answer the questions going forward and he will find it tough its a steep curve he is on. He has answered pretty much every question asked of him so far.
Just give the guy a chance. i'd say the odds were stacked against him. But i'd say the odds are stacked against any coach coming in and none of them will have proven they can do it at united except for one.
7.) 21 May 2026 04:43:42
Not done any better than Carrick. He steered a small club with 15,000 supporters to within a point or two of Europe. He lost his best players last season, and bought in virtually unknowns. Their wage bill is minuscule compared to ours, their size is minuscule compared to ours, their football is more pleasing on the eye, much, much more than ours.
But, oh yeah, he has done no better than our manager. That's delusion given what's available to him and what's available to Carrick.
8.) 21 May 2026 06:20:16
Bournemouth have only lost 7 games all season the only reason there not exactly where we are is because they drew 17 games iraola is head and shoulders above Carrick had he of had a bit better depth in his team a lot of them 17 could of easily been wins.
I'd also argue bournmouths centre backs are quite poor I know ed001 really doesn't rate senesi
9.) 21 May 2026 07:04:13
Tw
I have made my points over Carrick, no point in going over it. Iraola has more to offer, a progressive, exciting style for a start. As per one of our other posts, I have little excitement about next season given the choice the club have made. Whatever will be. Que Sera.
10.) 21 May 2026 08:45:48
What I wonder is, why is he choosing Palace over staying in Bournemouth?
It seems to me that his current club is in a better position at the moment, and both will probably play EL (if Palace win the final).
11.) 21 May 2026 09:15:48
Wow, the 15000 fans play, do they? Is it players that play or their wages?
It's not delusion to say Carrick won more points than him, it's factual.
Remember calling people delusional when we said United will qualify for CL.
When we said Liverpool would finish below United, you called me delusional.
When we said EPL teams would dominate European comps, I was delusional.
I think you're delusional for thinking otherwise.
One of us proven right on those three, so who is the delusional one?
Carrick has done better than Iraola in the same competition. That's just a simple fact.
Drawing 17 games, so what? If he had won them all he would have won the league, but he didn't. If Wolves won more games they wouldn't be relegated
Im sure if he goes to Palace he will do no better, or win no more than Glasner has. Maybe that's delusional too. ??
12.) 21 May 2026 09:33:50
I have 1 question about Iraola. Where is the queue of clubs for him?
13.) 21 May 2026 10:37:58
Given that Bournemouth only holds 11,000, he did a good job getting the other 4000 in. The guy is a genius!
14.) 21 May 2026 11:16:33
Ajh, you know, if we had appointed Iraola, the same people would be telling you his cv has gaps.
15.) 21 May 2026 13:46:19
Ajh,
Fair question, but I suspect he already knows where he is going, sorted a while ago. I seem to recall he wanted utter secrecy and no distraction until after the last Bournemouth game and has had that. That's impressive secrecy in today's world, where, for example, the Pep info got out.
May well be Palace, but hard to understand that one. A conspiracy theorist may wonder why United haven't actually announced Carrick, and Iraola hasn't announced his next club. So Palace it is. Que sera as we sang in the 70s, or maybe always look on the bright side of life.
16.) 21 May 2026 14:12:32
I'm not inspired, but I understand the club's point of view when looking in from the outside on this one.
17.) 21 May 2026 15:18:58
Many points there, you're totally wrong about them. You were saying that we would be in CL when RA was in charge!
Secondly, you will see that teams roughly finish where their income and outgoings on wages stand them, so on that alone he did better than Carrick, plus you would also know that 75,000 fans behind you is much, much better than 15k, but of course, if it suits your narrative, then fine as usual.
On the point of where is the queue of clubs after him, I would say it's the same group of clubs that are chasing Carrick! Oh hang on, Carrick has not even got Crystal Palace chasing him, so that's 1 less.
18.) 21 May 2026 17:25:03
One place Iraola may go is Liverpool. That would be interesting.
19.) 21 May 2026 22:30:19
I have read some dribble, but the number of fans being a factor on whichever manager is better... classic gold, right there.
But, using your logic, they only get 11k, so he must be even better!
19 May 2026 21:26:14
Well done to Arsenal, Mal will be happy. Not great football but whoever wins the league deserves it.
1.) 19 May 2026 21:45:41
Congrats, Mal.
2.) 20 May 2026 07:37:34
Meehh.
3.) 20 May 2026 13:49:26
Fizz
Stopped City winning.
4.) 20 May 2026 15:32:12
They don't give trophies out for beautiful football, only winning football. Congratulations to Arsenal, toughest league to win.
5.) 20 May 2026 19:04:15
Really pleased for them. Great win. Delighted for Arteta. Hope they go on to win the CL. PSG play great stuff, so they are up against it.
Hopefully Villa win the EL tonight and Palace the Conf League.
03 May 2026 11:44:14
I think the club need to be professional and conduct a full review. Without any doubt at all, there are many better coaches and managers out there than Carrick. Anyone who thinks there aren't is being disingenuous and extremely short sighted.
I get the warm comfort of having an ex player, steeped in Utd, but this has to be carefully considered. I am openly expressing my concern because I think we would be looking for Carrick's replacement in 12 to 18 months again, when some of the managers have moved on. A lot of changes are coming potentially in summer, so we need to get it right. We can't keep veering off line. What is the exact direction, and values? Are we a club chasing familiarity of the Utd family, continuing to chase what Busby and SAF gave us? Yet we sit here with only 3 Champions Leagues because of our strategy.
We need to think differently. This is 2026, not 1986.
I get the clamour for familiarity, that Utd man steeped in the club, but it's not just Ole that went wrong, it's McGuiness, I've seen both. It's time to change the old record, be decisive with an exciting, innovative manager or head coach.
If the club go with Carrick, I question whether they have any plan or just make it up as they go along. If it needs a change from Carrick in 12 to 18 months, I suspect many managers will be less inclined to come because they think we are too emotionally driven and not prepared to change to meet 2026. That's why I feel strongly.
21 Feb 2026 09:32:12
Tw. Bruno's availability has been phenomenal. Yes, the demands are not sustainable. I think there needs to be a total break in summer, a 4 week period with no friendlies, no post season cash raising games 10,000 miles away. No post season friendly or competitive internationals, and set dates for all tournaments to be in summer and allow for the 4 week enforced break.
They also need to look at all the international breaks, far too many, qualifying groups with no hopers in to make them feel wanted, and tick inclusivity boxes for the authorities. So many international games squashes the fixtures tighter. The international breaks have got out of hand. Look at the cup games, as they have been doing, no replays.
05 Jan 2026 13:08:01
If they are waiting until end of season then Tuchel comes to mind.
17 Nov 2025 17:52:05
Team, not team Bruno. We need to move forward and that isn’t going to be with a 31 year old, no matter how blinded you are. You would let him play until he has no value.
I don’t hate anyone, let alone Bruno, but we are dragging our feet as we have done for years.
16 Nov 2025 13:17:51
Anderson looked class for England, looks a complete CM to me and can pass, comfortable in close with players around him. It’s the United tax on the price. Question is why have we not been picking up players like that before they get to £100m. Still, if the scouts like him, buy. You know I would sell Bruno to fund it, we missed that trick in summer. Still suspect that will be one of the big deals in summer. Thing is we need a CM on 1st Jan.
Ugarte takes a lot of stick, my humble opinion is that he isn’t suited to how we play. He looks like he is comfortable up close, one of a central 3. However, there is space all around him here and Bruno doesn’t play like that. When opposition run at him with space he doesn’t look comfortable. I think he is a really good player that was not bought for how United play.
20 Jun 2026 06:26:48
Jsu
If they pay off the Glazer debt, then borrow to improve the club, and that is what the money is spent on, then I have no issue. That is how it should be.
19 Jun 2026 06:48:05
Jsu,
Until the club is free of the poisonous Glazers and runs debt free, I will never give the leeches a free pass (as you basically suggest) as long as I live.
18 Jun 2026 17:29:33
JSU
It gets revisited because someone said the debt isn't an issue.
18 Jun 2026 17:09:44
TW
The words you are looking for are Goal Hanger!
18 Jun 2026 08:01:19
Gilly,
Spot on.