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31 May 2020 15:03:20
Saul Niguez has apparently said he will announce his new club in 3 days. Will be interesting to see where that is.

Red Man

1.) 31 May 2020 15:15:26
He looks City bound, i think he'll fit in any Pep side.


2.) 31 May 2020 15:56:54
Im not sure how reliable that teller is redman. hope your well.
If he is announcing it in 3 days then its been kept very quiet wherever he is going.
My guess would be city although i really hope its us. He is one of the top midfielders in Europe imo. If pogba where to go saul can replace most of his qualities and add more.
Saul and sancho and ighalo in this window would be the stuff of dreams.
Maybe get a player in return for pogba that could add depth.
Grealish is another target according to ed002 and the club are keen on him and Bellingham so saul is probably less likely.


3.) 31 May 2020 16:43:56
Hi Ken

I am well thanks, but not everyone in my family is, but we shall see on that. Sat drinking vino in the garden.

Someone said this was similar to what Griezmann did. It seems strange announcing it that way.

It would be interesting to see Ed02’s view on Saul and where he is going or if he is at all?


4.) 31 May 2020 17:34:47
It's his new e-Sports team.


5.) 31 May 2020 17:41:21
Fabrizio Romano has said this has nothing to do with a transfer.

Which seems to make sense. Saul has always appeared pretty commited to Atletico, at least publicly. I can't imagine he would announce himself leaving before the season is finished.

I'm expecting some sort of sponsorship or the other to be announced.


6.) 31 May 2020 17:47:50
Saul is a top class player and would fit in well in pretty much any side. If it was United he is due to sign for, that would surely signal the club are confident that Pogba will leave this summer? Even though the club appear to be dicking about in letting him leave.


7.) 31 May 2020 21:04:47
When do we ever announce a signing this early?

It will be a sponsor.


8.) 31 May 2020 22:48:25
Following United on twitter Orr instagram now apparently 👀👀 that 100% means were nailed on to sign him 😂😂😂.


9.) 01 Jun 2020 09:35:03
People will grab hold of anything, fair play to him for playing everybody like this and getting attention on himself, madness what people believe.


10.) 01 Jun 2020 10:02:17
I am sure the Atletico fans are really pleased with the circus he's created around him. Straight away i have been put off him. Sounds like he's feeling sorry for himself and is suffering from lack of attention due to lockdown bless him.


11.) 01 Jun 2020 15:38:11
Nothing official from athletico madrid or from any other club. so is take it with a massive pinch of salt.
Im sure any club sending that sort of money will want to maximise the coverage and to their unveiling.
Sounds like a load of BS to me.
Him and sancho are the dream signings this summer. Along with ighalo they would breath new life into this team. With maybe another player coming in to boost the squad in any deal for pogba. The likes of raibot would increase competition.


 

 

18 Oct 2019 07:02:23
Interesting seeing photos of Pogba and Zidane meet in Dubai and apparently chat for 10 mins, a coincidence meeting on the beach.

Red Man

1.) 18 Oct 2019 07:34:54
I couldn't care less. Le Sulk can move to RM. I doubt we would notice he had left.


2.) 18 Oct 2019 08:54:50
We need quality but we also need 100% commitment from everyone. The reason we are in this mess is the lack of desire and pride for the shirt. Pogbas a good player but doesn't have the mentality we need. Time to go.


3.) 18 Oct 2019 12:24:27
Yh i agree if our new recruitment plan under ole is to bring in players with limited technical ability and do their best work off the ball but with more passion and work rate then pogba doesn't really fit in.


4.) 18 Oct 2019 14:04:23
I like to try and be more realistic in what I expect from footballers. I don't expect them to have an undying love and passion for the club, that's the fans job.
If they do then that's a bonus.

What I expect is for a footballer to be professional, as that is what they are, professionals.

I expect them to work hard, look to develop their skills and be committed to the team. They don't need to love the club.

But they need to respect their position, they need to respect their team mates and they need to respect their manager and coaches.

Without seeing how Pogba is in training it is hard to say if he is showing that. Yet his on field performances are often inconsistent at best which suggests he isn't working as hard as he should be. He has all the talent to be a top player, but does he have the drive and application?

If he wants to be elsewhere, then fine. I won't hold a grudge, but he needs to being working hard for his team mates or eventually they will turn against him.

I think Ed002 was right on the money again with Pogba, his career belongs in Spain or back in Italy. Yet with Juventus having 7 midfielders on the books (Ramesey, Pjanic, Khedira, Can, Raboit, Matuidi and Bentancur) I don't see a place for him unless several leave. Real Madrid's interest seems to stem from Zidane, who himself might not be there all that much longer with Jose apparently a possible replacement. His options might be growing thin. With Barcelona having recently signed Frenkie De Jong and Arthur, they are unlikely to look to spend the 150m+ it would take to bring him in, plus they have wage limitations unless they can shift one or two big earners. Ultimately PSG might be the best possible escape route for him. With both Real Madrid and Barcelona circling for Mbappe and Neymar respectively PSG might have some funds to reinvest and they have shown an appetite to try and bring in some of the best French players in the world.

So, I feel PSG might be the place he ends up next, either that or he will sign a new increased long term deal with us.


5.) 18 Oct 2019 14:34:03
you can count on one hand the number of top performances pogba has produced for us. you can say its because of the talent around him but i don't think that's totally accurate. Pogba has immense talent, however there are games where he doesn't even do the simple things well (pass to a team mate, control the ball, track a runner) . like the above post i don't expect him to die for the shirt but I expect him to put a shift in. Our problem is that our players are either short on talent, high on workrate or high on talent and short on effort.

This may all be a result of him being demoralised and wanting to leave, thus affecting his performances. whatever the reason a move away may be best for all parties.


6.) 18 Oct 2019 20:23:51
The reality is Pobga has no support around him, literally nothing. We play mostly rubbish football, I'm not shocked he doesn't enjoy himself. We have 4 average midfielders that create nothing/ do anything to support him. Pobga, as he has shown with France and Juve, with quality players around him, he is also a quality player. We are a team devoid of forward talent, quality or movement, or tactical knowledge form the sideline.

I implore anyone to play midfield in a team like this and excel as a creative player. It just doesn't happen at the highest level. Yeah he has rubbish games, yeah his good ones are not frequent enough but he is still the only one of those midfielders that comes close to being on an high level (couldn't consider him world class or elite) .


7.) 18 Oct 2019 20:33:01
That's the thing MrGoodKat, he has played better at Juventus and with France. Yet, he has been just as inconsistent with both his previous club and his national side.


8.) 18 Oct 2019 20:58:24
I agree, he goes missing - but he is still clearly the best midfielder we have, and the sad thing is, it's by a long way. It's good to see McTominay play for the shirt but lacks any real quality (in terms of what we expect a Man Utd player to be), Matic lacks mobility and any real influence on the game and Fred lacks everything technical about a footballer.

I disagree with the "Pogba doesn't track back etc" complaints. What I really want from him is to create something, get on the ball, run forward. Play to strengths and not square pegs round holes situation. I want United to but some players that have a dedicated position in the front 4. To be able to say, with confidence that this is the best player to play Striker or Right Wing or Attacking Mid.


9.) 19 Oct 2019 07:56:16
That's the annoying thing with Pogba, he isn't just our most talented midfielder by a long way. He has more talent than 95% of all midfielders anywhere.

He does track back, but he is even more inconsistent with his defensive work than he is with his more expansive and creative work. My issue is even when he does track back he doesn't do so with any purpose. He jogs back and never looks like he is going to attempt to put a tackle or a block in.

The fact that over his time at United he averages 0.8 tackles per game shows his lack of desire to do the dirty work.

To be honest I'm not too bothered about that. Not all midfielders need to be crunching in tackles. What disappoints me with Pogba is that he at 27 is still so inconsistent with the parts of the game he does enjoy. His passing, shooting and chance creation some games is world class, while woeful in others.

He reminds me a bit of Nani, a player on his day is unplayable and will win you games on his own. However, "his day" might only be one game a month, in the others he is distinctly average.


 

 

15 Oct 2019 06:38:15
There have been rumours for a few days that Kevin, one of the Glazers was selling up, that he had swapped his B voting shares for A shares. I was told a couple of days ago the B shares can't be sold. Now there are reports in the main press that Kevin Glazer has transferred his 13% to A shares and is looking to sell. According to the press several others want to sell up too. Hopefully it is the beginning of the end of them, although it is said two of the family don't want to sell.

Red Man

1.) 15 Oct 2019 07:20:27
Yeah Red Man.
Multiple news channels reporting the same.


2.) 15 Oct 2019 07:37:48
I would not be surprised if they are selling to family? Maybe someone wants more power?


3.) 15 Oct 2019 12:02:01
So how does this work then? If the individual share holders sell up and shares are sold on the stock market, how will that change anything in the future? Won't the shareholders just keep getting dividends? How is that any different to how it is now?


4.) 15 Oct 2019 13:36:41
Nothing actually concrete has happened redman, 1 guy is selling but it just means more control over utd for the other glazers.


5.) 15 Oct 2019 16:55:43
If one's had enough then its a start.


6.) 15 Oct 2019 18:02:04
Apparently being denied now. ☹️.


 

 

08 Oct 2019 10:40:04
Rumour, The morale in the dressing room is at the lowest for the past ten months with observers claiming there is a lack of energy which is 'sapping' spirits at Carrington.

Red Man

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1.) 08 Oct 2019 12:25:02
Love it Bond.


2.) 08 Oct 2019 15:17:04
you could see how bad the morale is in david de gea, s interview after sundays game.


3.) 08 Oct 2019 18:11:02
Dea gea was right though we can't even score.

We have a decent defence but that's what were relying on to get us points

The midfield and attack have to step up.


I'm still amused as to why we keep playing possession football. let the other teams have the ball then break.

We have speed up top but we are not using are best assets atm.


4.) 09 Oct 2019 06:16:56
He is rightfully disgusted.
We are short of a prolific goal scorer.


5.) 09 Oct 2019 19:12:58
TrueRedDevil, i would give my left nut just for a goal scorer. Both for a prolific one!


6.) 12 Oct 2019 15:50:37
Poor comment un an interview from DDG. He would have better saying that when the team isn't scoring there is more pressure on saving shots like the Newcastle one.


 

 

24 Sep 2019 06:35:17
So the leaks begin. Apparently some players harbour reservations over Kieran McKenna having such a key role in first-team training little more than a year after being promoted from the Under 18s. His sessions are thought by some to be more suited to the academy

There are also questions why there are so many non contact injuries having supposedly used pre season to get the players into peak fitness, questions why the lethargy when they are fit, what did Phil Jones and Woodward really say despite the denials.

This isn't going to end well everyone.

Red Man

1.) 24 Sep 2019 12:46:00
Dont rub your hands too much, you'll get friction burns.


2.) 24 Sep 2019 13:18:39
Where are these leaks red man? I’ve not seen them (not saying what you’re saying is false btw would like to read them) but then surely they’d be saying the same of Carrick. Then again we heard these rumours in pre season and they soon disappeared.


3.) 24 Sep 2019 17:10:57
The Daily Mail. I read it myself, today, and knew you'd pick up on it Red Man 😁 Mind you, I had to take a long shower after reading it.


4.) 24 Sep 2019 17:56:10
Daily Fail? lol.


5.) 24 Sep 2019 18:24:19
I was getting my hair done, TRD 😁.


6.) 25 Sep 2019 07:54:04
I heard that Phil Jones said 'poor' unsure whether he was talking about a refereeing decision or his teammates (he should be) and Ed turned round and said 'quiet, we are on camera' that's just one story.

As for McKenna, I think the media are loving a United in crisis story so will push anything, wouldn't wprry too much on McKenna.

What I do worry about is why year after year we have so many injuries, it seems to have been every season since van Gaal, perhaps even Moyes time, I dunno if we have players nowadays more like athletes and break down easier or the stricter training we have now is too much for some, no idea.

Was thinking about Martial this morning, he is always injured, can never get a run of games out of him, and he is probably the most key player in the way Ole wants to counter attack, I see a long season of inconsistent results and performances ahead, I can live with that if we see the desire in the players, I have seen that except at west ham which worries me.

Arsenal at home next is probably the perfect fixture to get that desire back and a win wouldn't shock me, hopefully we have some players back for this one.

Saving grace at the moment is Chelsea and Spurs are having equally as bad starts and a win over the gunners keeps us on pace for 4th.

I've said it all along since they sacked Moyes and I'll say it again, we must stick by a manager, we cannot carry on chopping and changing managers, backroom teams, players and playing style, that's why we are in such a mess, it's not going to be pretty for a good while yet but the 3 lads he's brought in are the right type of player, he needs more windows to bring in more players that fits what Ole wants, it's going to take time.

I now hear 'oh we've spent £900m' yes, Ole has had 1 window, the rest is past and we are on a new path, one the club and fans must stick too.


7.) 25 Sep 2019 09:02:25
Welsh

We need to get the right manager to stick behind, not the failed Cardiff one.


8.) 25 Sep 2019 09:41:46
By the way there are now more rumours of players feeling training is uninspiring and old fashioned.


9.) 25 Sep 2019 10:43:54
Ole was appointed and is our manager so therefore he is the right one and we have to get behind him and the club needs to give him the funds and time to build a squad. Everyone is too impatient, can't rebuild a squad in his model in 1 window, will be a few more windows by we see the squad he ideally wants.


10.) 25 Sep 2019 12:06:39
Red man I’d pay no attention to those rumours. Always an attempt to find a problem wrong with everything. As ed001 said when results are good training is fine, when bad it’s rubbish. It’s the same with any job, it things aren’t going well in the office or wherever you work it’s not great but a good week or few days and it’s a different outlook.


11.) 26 Sep 2019 06:55:11
Caolin

What we are seeing on the pitch is a result of what is happening on the training pitch.


12.) 26 Sep 2019 09:59:30
Uninspiring training? Give me a break. They should be inspired to play and win trophies for Man Utd. Knuckle down, do what your boss is asking of you and make an impact on the pitch.


13.) 26 Sep 2019 11:15:01
Red man

I don’t think anyone can say definitively unless we are on the training pitch. Do you think Rojo is instructed to shoot on sight once he crosses halfway?


14.) 27 Sep 2019 09:37:10
It was exactly the same under Jose. I remember asking several times back then, what exactly did they do in training all week, because once they crossed the line, they looked like eleven strangers.


 

 

 

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31 Jul 2020 17:46:58
I can't see us over spending this summer given the C.V. hit to finances. We have a need for a left sided CB but if we can't afford an expensive one and target other positions what are everyone's thoughts on Jan Vertonghen on a free? Yes he is 33 so not long term and wouldn't block Mengi and gives us a chance to recruit elsewhere if money is tight.

I am not going to pretend I have watched him closely but as a left sided CB would he be a short term option? Over to those who have watched him more closely than me.

Red Man

1.) 31 Jul 2020 17:52:22
No, just no.


2.) 31 Jul 2020 18:14:52
nope, been a good player but struggled last 18 month imo.


3.) 31 Jul 2020 18:15:33
Im not against 1 year stop gaps and getting an experienced player in for cover redman in fact with our young team it well advised imo.
But its got to be a player with the right character and ability.
Ive liked him over the years he has been a good defender but is a bit injury prone and lacks pace nowadays i would not have him top of my list for that type of signing.
If sancho comes in it leaves us with a very young forward line except for ighalo and its up front i think we lack experience and know how and options.
So if ighalo is not staying an experienced cf would by my preference for a signing of that type.
So i'm aligned with the thought process but not that particular target.


4.) 31 Jul 2020 18:16:49
Thanks Remanutd I can’t say I have studied him but he was part of a solid Spurs defence at one point. We shall see what they do.


5.) 31 Jul 2020 18:32:29
He's a bit past his best unfortunately. Was a great player a few years ago, but injuries haven't been kind to him over the last couple of years.

He's also not the quickest which with Maguire in our back line would still represent a big problem.


6.) 31 Jul 2020 18:43:19
with him we have gone from richest club in the world to bin dippers.


7.) 31 Jul 2020 19:46:41
Copping some for that one Red Man but. sorry, no.


8.) 31 Jul 2020 21:28:45
Understand the logic but its clear we need a specific type of centre back to play alongside maguire and vertonghen doesn't fit that bill.


9.) 01 Aug 2020 01:34:55
I’d have said yes about two years ago, but he’s played no where near as much this season. If he was going to play say, 15-20 games in all comps then maybe he could work. But I think he will end up in Italy.


10.) 01 Aug 2020 05:35:54
I disagree on us not overspending this summer and can actually see this being one of our biggest ever windows in terms of net spend.

We are one of only a handful of clubs who can still spend big this summer (even in spite of the impact that of C.V.) and this puts us in a position of power as many selling clubs are in desperate need of cash and competition for players will be much leaner than usual.

I still think we’ll probably end up paying over the odds for most of the players that we bring in (that’s become something of a defining characteristic of our club since EW came in), but I think we’d be foolish not to spend big and take advantage of the situation we find ourselves in.


11.) 01 Aug 2020 14:01:32
He would be an upgrade on Maguire. Left footed too.


 

 

27 Jul 2020 17:30:14
Greetings from a hot sunbed, with cold beer in hand

Third is a very welcome result and a boost in many ways but needs to be put in perspective as well. We must not be crowing about it, although the financiers will be a lot happier. Credit where it is due the arrival of Bruno made a major difference and now we must use the platform of being able to offer CL football. I said a few weeks ago, I think even before restart (don't know how to use an archive search) Leicester were the ones who could be the fall guys and they ended up being. Perspective is that third is better than we thought in the dark days but also relied on Leicester declining as well. We benefited more than most from the break and restart. It's enough.

Now, with third banked I want to see how we go about the Europa league, this is a cup and one worthy of trying for. It isn't the premier competition but let's see our tactical strategy in games, gives us an indication of how we will cope with CL football having to adapt. Win it and it has been a good season. I still think Ole has to demonstrate he knows how to win, more so after the FA semi final, he has a chance now where the players can relax and totally focus on it. It is unlike any other year as it was in the league.

On transfers we need at least three or four top players and make decisions on the goal keeper. For me we need someone alongside Maguire, from internally or bought, a right winger, a centre forward option as Ighalo doesn't offer enough. I still look at central midfield in terms of Matic as a concern as well as our full backs depending on how we wish to play. Full backs, AWB will be fine if we are not expecting overlapping wing play, Shaw offers more going forward but his injury record is starting to add up.

The who will be interesting.

Red Man

1.) 27 Jul 2020 17:54:41
We won't buy 4 top players in one window under the current C.V. situation. It takes time to build a squad this season has been a step in the right direction.


2.) 27 Jul 2020 19:29:58
Jred

Need at least three.


3.) 28 Jul 2020 08:23:12
Redman
In the middle of the C.V. that may not be possible.
As i have said it takes time.
At least we didn't get relegated.


4.) 28 Jul 2020 10:25:14
Jred

We shall see, finances will be tough for everyone, however, if we don’t I can’t see us getting above City or Liverpool next season. No we didn’t get relegated, but In terms of points we were closer to the relegation zone than top.


5.) 28 Jul 2020 10:53:22
again it takes time to build a team especially with the current issue the C.V. presents.


 

 

23 Jul 2020 07:35:55
On Sunday we could finish anything from 3rd to 5th, probably a reflection on our totally inconsistent season. If we beat Leicester, it will be 3rd, it's a big if, but play it as a one off game, don't be negative, don't try alien FA Cup semi final tactics, we should get what we need, but with our defence it will be squeaky bum time if we go into the last 10 level.

Last night we didn't give a good account at all, Ole was tactically schooled by David Moyes, unbelievable really. Moyes of all people figured we would try to pass our way through the middle, so he let us have the ball but competed centrally, didn't give space for Bruno to hurt them, competed when Greenwood and Rashford cut inside as they do, he likely looked at our full backs and realised we had neither a winger or an attacking full back on either side. He was right, our players got eye to eye with their full backs and nearly every time went back and recycled the ball. Another bugbear was that Pogba was deep, passing the ball to Matic to do the creative work. I posted this on live chat time and again, why? Pogba is more dangerous further forward because he isn't great defensively, tactical madness.

I see the excuse players were shattered, yet there were opportunities to rotate in previous games where we won by three goals, however Ole chose the semi final against the toughest opponent to do it. I also don't get last night why any real change had to wait until 84 minutes. I don't think they were shattered at all, but if any were, did Ole really believe shattered players were better than those on the bench? They may have been shell shocked from the semi final, after all it was a tactical shambles, they may not have recovered their belief, that was more likely.

Ole spent £45m on AWB knowing he was a defensive full back, then reveals his master tactics that needs attacking full backs, then drops Pogba deep to feed Matic to create.

I think we will do enough on Sunday, squeaky bum time, yet no matter who we buy, where we finish these tactical situations and decisions are anomalies that we will continue to see and almost certainly mean the big prizes like the league and CL, allude us. Onwards to Sunday, where Leicester will fancy their chances, but I expect us to get what we need.

Red Man

1.) 23 Jul 2020 08:06:07
Redman,
That sums up everything about your point of view.


2.) 23 Jul 2020 08:30:21
Red Man, Ole said before the match that AWB suffered a knock. So it's hardly a surprise he didn't start.

I do acknowledge that the last few performances have been turgid.
Right now it's all about results.
Who even dreamnt of finishing 3rd mid way in the season.

I also posted below that who from the bench improves the first X1? The answer is noone.


3.) 23 Jul 2020 08:34:18
Red man I hardly think it was an excuse that players were shattered. Anyone who watched the game for more than two minutes could see how leggy we looked. The issue with Ole having chance to rotate earlier is the drop off in quality that is evident when we do rotate.

I'm disappointed we didn't win last night like the rest of us but If we had been given this scenario six months ago we would have taken it. Beat the Foxes and we are playing Champions league next season. We shouldn't be playing for a draw, we should go there to win the game. After this game players can be rested properly so I expect to see a better energy level.

Pogba should be pushed up the pitch higher and I am hoping Shaw is ok to play as we have really missed him down the left, Williams has potential but he has been found wanting the last few games.


4.) 23 Jul 2020 09:19:02
You really are starting to sound bitter Redman. It's like almost like you enjoy the bashing you give the team and that everyone who backs the team or Ole are idiots.

The team is knackered. Your have to be blind to not see that. The tempo was much slower and lack of width hurt us tonight.

Awb and Shaw were not fit. Rashford hasn't played well since his return. We tried rotating and those players were not up to the job. What a he supposed to do? Keep in mind that the F. A Cup was not enough to save LVG's job either. Top 4 is priority. I know that hurts a few people on here who says we need to try and win every trophy but let's be realistic here. Winning FA Cups doesn't give us Champions League and it doesn't attract new signings.

Ole knows they need a rest. The staff have all the data you could possibly read. They know all stats and who is in the 'red zone. ' He sees them at training. He's not blind. He sees what we all see. I didn't see West Ham out tactic us. We had them penned back most of the game. The players just lacked that sharpness.

We know our first 11 still needs a CB, CM and RW at least. That's still 1/ 4 of the team that we all agree needs addressing. We know the answers are not found in this squad so when he does rotate, we know there will be a drop in standards.

I'm expecting a clear out over summer and a few youngsters will be given the chance to take those spots with 2 maybe 3 signings this summer. It's been a rough season. No Pogba. Martial out for 2 months. Rashford out for 2 months. Bruno not brought till January. Any team would struggle losing that quality. Fact of the matter is that top 4 is still in our own hands on the final day. We all would have taken that at the turn of the year. One last push and it's job done.


5.) 23 Jul 2020 09:26:53
If we'd been given this situation in February we'd 100% have taken it. Even if it was we have to beat Leicester on the last day to scrape 4th on goal difference we would have taken it. So that's a big positive.

The sides behind the top 2 are so far behind them it's frightening though. We could finish 3rd with 66 points. You'd struggle to finish 5th with that in most seasons. So while it's impressive that we've managed to catch Leicester it's important to remember it's been during a big drop off in quality of the bigger sides.


6.) 23 Jul 2020 10:18:39
ole got tactically out done?

i would love to know what game you was watching, plenty of times we went down the wings.

6 games in 18 days with our squad debt was always going to be a big ask, we can't rotate because we don't have a big enough squad that is full of quality players.


we are 3rd, go back to January the loss against burnley and we were miles away. we have give ourselves a chance and its on Leicester to attack, which will play perfectly into hands.


7.) 23 Jul 2020 11:31:59
The naratives at play on here at the minute are comical gold. 2 weeks ago we were 2/ 3 players ready from competiting with liverpool. Now we have no one that's not in the first 11 that's good enough. Its a bloody brilliant read il give u all that 👌🏻. Enjoy sunday lads.


8.) 23 Jul 2020 11:44:54
😂😂😂.


9.) 23 Jul 2020 12:43:48
Totally agree with red man in regards to, pogba giving the ball to Matic to create. Matic and Maguire for me took too long on the ball.

They need to release it quicker to our playmakers (pogba and Bruno).

I also feel ole took to long in making changes, I felt Rashford and Bruno had bad games and should’ve been subbed off quicker.


10.) 23 Jul 2020 14:29:56
Ole has no idea what to when things go wrong. Tactically he is a baby when it comes to in game changes . Should of backed Jose😀😀.


 

 

22 Jul 2020 09:52:28
I always like to see what the youth potential is, as you know I think the kid Mejbri is one to watch. I found it interesting indeed to see that we have supposedly signed 17 year old left back Alvaro Fernandez Carreras from Real Madrid. Real Madrid youth, having signed a Barcelona youth recently as well, I don't remember taking many from Madrid before especially when they were offered a contract. I confess not to having seen either, but Carreras is 6ft1in tall at 17 which makes me wonder if left back is his final position. Our youth tactics have changed, Mejbri was a purchase, let's hope the schooling of Carreras at Madrid gives us a player who might make it.

Red Man

{Ed002's Note - There is a reason for these signings now - PL clubs will not be able to sign 16/17 year olds from the European Union after this summer.}


1.) 22 Jul 2020 09:58:56
Thank you Ed, interesting.


2.) 22 Jul 2020 11:33:52
Definitely seems a change in policy redman. Nicky butt seems to be doing a good job, hopefully in a few years we will start to see the benefits!


3.) 22 Jul 2020 12:10:37
Hi Caolin

It would be interesting to know if it is Butt that is scouting them. If you haven’t already taken a look at Mejbri, there could be a real talent there and he cost a few Million, so there definitely seems a change in direction in the last three or four years. Not sure I remember a Real Madrid youth signing before though, maybe it is good they are competing in that market, but last chance as Ed says.


4.) 22 Jul 2020 12:37:10
I think its become a far more common thing to see young players at top clubs leave as they just don't seem to get enough chances.

Many Barcelona youngsters have up and left, some found their way back such as Pique and Fabregas. This is the same Barcelona who are renowned for their academy and giving youth a chance. While a few Real Madrid youngsters have left, although they mostly go to other Spanish clubs.

We have hoovered up some kids from Ajax who are well known for their youth policy.

While we have seen Pogba and now Gomes leave, while a few others might follow suit.

Dortmund have signed Sancho and Bellingham as 17 year olds.

Kids are getting moves all over the place far more than they used to. With the prices for players like Sancho at the age of 20 with only two good season under his belt being in excess of 100m the only market that offers any sort of value is in the kids who haven't yet kicked a ball for the first team.

We will see more and more of this across Europe. However, thanks to Brexit and the loss of freedom of movement English sides won't be able to take advantage of signing young overseas players in the same way that other top European sides will. The scramble this summer will be the last chance to do so.


5.) 22 Jul 2020 12:54:31
Yeah redman I’ve saw mejbri a couple of times. Had a very good conversation with ed001 who was speaking very well of him, and perhaps most importantly the support he has around him. He seems a very driven character.

Lots of talent with him redman, he’s also recently filled out quite a bit. Only 17 but I think we will see him next season maybe in the league cup and the odd bench appearance.

Would be interesting to know who’s leading the changes in the academy. It was definitely neglected for a while. Would love to see us using it more and more and start producing our own top players again. Like we are with rashford and greenwood.


6.) 22 Jul 2020 15:27:02
Redman,

Also if you haven’t seen him yet keep an eye on Shola Shoretire. High hopes for him!


7.) 22 Jul 2020 16:09:49
Cracking player Caolan. Really looking forward to seeing how he develops over the next 2 years.


8.) 22 Jul 2020 17:28:45
Hi Caolan

Heard about and seen snippets of Shoretire, nice even balance to him, young yet.


 

 

21 Jul 2020 10:25:19
Here is the "have we become the new Arsenal test?

The question. On Sunday evening if we qualify for the Champions League will you be on here screaming about the great achievement and Ole is the one? Then the fourth place or top four trophy parade begins. Order the open top Arsenal bus to parade across the site. If enough come on here parading we, the fans will have become same apologists as Arsenal fans who protected Wenger.

Personally I would be happy to have CL football but it is a minimum on what we should expect and barely a payback on what we have spent under Ole alone. It isn't something to be celebrating like a cup and I would be disappointed to see that reaction from Ole or the players. They would have achieved top four and I would feel underwhelmed to see an over celebration.

At least it makes the last day interesting and if we don't make it, Manchester United will come again.

Red Man

1.) 21 Jul 2020 10:29:42
no it will a step in the right direction, you don't go from the mess jose left to champions straight away .
Any fan with an ounce of sense understands that.


2.) 21 Jul 2020 10:39:12
JRED- agree in most of what you say but would add that Van Gaal did not leave us with a title winning team in fact the whole team had to be reset from 1980's tactics and the most boring bloody football seen! add to that the underacheiving and geriatric players we had it was always going to take a good while as welll as money and good management to propel us to wherewe want to be as a club.


3.) 21 Jul 2020 10:44:38
Will I be happy that we have qualified for the UCL, uhh yeah obviously. Will I celebrate it like it's a great achievement? No, having watched United win 13 league titles, 2 UCL titles, a Europa League title, 6 FA cups, 5 league cups and countless other smaller cups that don't really count my bar for success is a little higher than simply qualifying for the UCL.

Does that answer your loaded question?


4.) 21 Jul 2020 11:03:38
Jred

I think it is funny that you go back yet again to the mess, as you put it. that Jose supposedly left. SAF left a mess, albeit a winning team, Moyes made us a laughing stock of a mess and LvG didn’t help, yet you happily ignore the mess Jose inherited and give him no kudos for two trophies and a runners up spot. Oh no your wonderful Ole has fixed it in your eyes. Then you mention from “a mess” to the idea of being Champions in the same sentence, imagining that to happen under Ole is amusing.

Top four would be good to have but we are so far behind City and Liverpool. The bonus would be being able to attract better players and hopefully a better manager.


5.) 21 Jul 2020 11:05:20
Id be delighted to get a to top 4 position. I think that's inevitable now. I don't see it as cause for celebration more a case of relief but it will benifit the club in all sorts of ways.


6.) 21 Jul 2020 11:13:19
Redman lvg and moses both left a mess, I think lvg possibly less so .
But I think what lvg and certainly moyes and fergy left is less relevant that the actually manager and team that ole took over from.
Certainly in the context above.


7.) 21 Jul 2020 11:22:20
Shappy

You forgot the Cup Winners Cup, World Club Cup x 2, but not sure why you felt the need to list the triumphs you had seen unless it was to demonstrate your superiority, thinking it gave your point more weight.

I will be happy to get top 4 but I don’t think a top four finish justifies Ole’s position, as some will claim. A cup win on top might have and still might give the argument in his favour a fillip. The Europa league would be something to cheer, still when we won it under Jose I couldn’t scream like I did in 2008. See what happens in the Europa cup, but top four may make us more attractive to managers as well as players.


8.) 21 Jul 2020 11:28:53
Ofcourse, progress must be appreciated.
But then, the following year, the bar must be raised.

We have fielded the youngest team in Premier League this year. Now it's all about backing the manager and adding quality to this squad.

Everyone knows we were left short in last Summer window. After the arrival of Bruno, the likes of Andreas and Lingard barely makes the bench.
That's the sort of impact signings I would like to see in the next transfer window.


9.) 21 Jul 2020 11:39:46
Red Man, nothing to do with superiority, I'm fully aware that you have witnessed more success than I have being old enough to remember the success under Sir Matt.

I was listing the major successes I have witnessed to highlight just how stupid it would be for me to "celebrate" a top 4 finish. It demonstrates that clearly in comparison to what I've seen top four does not constitute success.


10.) 21 Jul 2020 11:49:16
Sadly I started supporting in August 68 so never saw Sir Matts success, just decline to 1974. I just hope people don’t over celebrate getting top four, that is more my point.


11.) 21 Jul 2020 11:49:53
Redman
So what would justify ole postion thus season?
When you look at the squd at the start of the season the injuries during the season etc what are your expectations for this season .
We coukd well finish 3rd did you expect us to finish above city and the scouse?


12.) 21 Jul 2020 12:06:05
Red Man,

I know your OP was to get the reaction you got but why is there so much sniping on here now. You obviously won’t be happy with Ole until we win the treble, I think a top 4 finish this season would be good and I’d be very happy on Sunday if we are top 4, it is very good progress and in these uncertain times it is important we are in the CL so we can improve more.

Your OP is loaded as jred says as you are now making out that if any of us are happy on Sunday it means we are the ‘new Arsenal’, when really this is just where we are at the moment.


13.) 21 Jul 2020 12:17:56
Why always the inflammatory language, Red Man? Why always trying to create two camps? Can you not put your argument across without all the childish nonsense? Surprised to see a grown man, of a certain vintage, argue in this way.


14.) 21 Jul 2020 12:21:33
And if your last reply to Shappy, was 'more your point', why didn't you just say that to begin with, instead of all that silliness in the OP?


15.) 21 Jul 2020 12:28:03
Jred

Ole could have justified his position by being above Chelsea and not needing to go into the last game of the season needing to avoid defeat to Leicester. I didn’t expect us to finish above 3rd, but I did expect a more coherent tactical approach and in game management befitting of a club expecting to challenge for honours. Ole needs to show he has that and yet has failed to show it time and again this season. My expectations were that given Chelsea had a transfer ban and a new manager, even with minimal experience, that we shouldn’t be in this position of uncertainty. I expected a Manager of United to stamp himself on the team far more, given the talent we had even at the start of the season, yet let Leicester get away. Only their fall has given us a chance, what does that say? The performance on Sunday was a disgrace, perpetrated by the tactics, team selection and in game management again. When you get to the semi, you don’t always win, but it was criminal not to compete. My expectations were to get top four solidly in a far more convincing way, plus to compete and possibly win a cup. City losing gave us a better chance if we got through but I didn’t expect that managerial mess on Sunday. It was actually embarrassing, I imagined a few of the senior people squirmed like we did at the horror show. SAF was ruthless, there are many managers out there who would have won that game for us and that is what bothers me.

People ignore that Ole has never demonstrated he can win the big prizes, bottling the Semi on Sunday does not give rise to the idea he is appropriate for the role, he must demonstrate that very soon or he won’t be there. I think he has to get to the Europa final at least, to justify his position now. We could finish 3rd but we could also finish 5th. Personally I think we will get what we need at Leicester, scraping into it is not enough.


16.) 21 Jul 2020 12:33:04
So we could finish 3rd but that won't be good enough?

It really was only 1 game . Even fergy lost games.


17.) 21 Jul 2020 12:41:53
Nou

We have had plenty of run ins from when you were Stevie.

“inflammatory language”? What? It’s an opinion and I don’t wish or try to create any camps, never have, unlike some. I say it how I see it, often like when I said what I thought about Moyes and was completely out on my own for months.

Right, referring to posts as “childish nonsense” or being told about being a grown man of a “certain vintage”, that sounds like an effort to belittle. If you have an opinion, express it but don’t try to tell people how to express their own opinion.


18.) 21 Jul 2020 12:44:13
Jred

SAF did lose games, I don’t remember him, Atkinson, Sexton or the Doc getting it so wrong as Sunday. It isn’t one game though is it?


19.) 21 Jul 2020 13:30:01
Redman - There was a time when many of us looked upon Arsenal's top 4 pursuit with contempt. To witness a once great and worthy adversary celebrating finishing 4th without a hint of improvement or ambition was both amusing and alarming in equal measure. To see a once great team cast aside by the new money available at Stamford Bridge and the Etihad content with pocketing the revenue but lacking the fight or ambition to strive for more is a fate I fear we are now accustomed.

I suppose the main difference is Arsenal's trajectory was downwards and hopefully Ole is slowly building a team on its way back but we must have faith in the project and understand that patience must prevail over panic. In Martial, Rashford, Greenwood and Fernandes we have the attacking talent to compete with the best. At 25 Fernandes is the oldest of the quartet and it's my belief that these 4 players can propel us to glory if we remain patient and afford them time to develop and grow.

I completely understand your frustration, I accept your reservations on Ole and agree that we must not accept mediocrity or lose sight of what constitutes success.

If we can sneak top 4, recruit well in the summer then I think we have cause for optimism. You know as well as most that successful football teams are not built over night and I think if Ole had more experience and a better CV then maybe you might view his progress through different eyes.

{Ed047's Note - nice post as usual DLIB


20.) 21 Jul 2020 13:52:22
Really good reply redman. Consider yourself lucky your not a protester out on the street. 😂 keep practising your right to free speech.


21.) 21 Jul 2020 14:33:06
Redman
So if we finish 3rd that's not good enough?
Ok.


22.) 21 Jul 2020 13:25:11
Its is one game and all them managers lost games and made mistakes.


23.) 21 Jul 2020 15:15:47
The difference being, Red Man, I caught myself on, realised I was an adult, and apologised for my posts, especially to Danny. I could, and should, have made the same points without resorting to the language I used. You know what you're doing.

Take a look at DLIB's posts to see how you can put a point of view across without resorting to childish descriptions and metaphors.


If you dish it out the way you do, then you can't act all precious over harmless comments like 'a certain vintage'. I'm of a certain vintage too for flip sake, and used it about myself in a recent post! Bit desperate that.

Ken, he has posted what he wants, and will continue to post what he wants, so I don't think you're understanding the meaning of free speech. 😂.


24.) 21 Jul 2020 17:24:38
Nou

DLIB is DLIB, I am sure he/ she writes good posts, however, if I disagree with him/ her I will make the argument about the points in a post, in the way I wish to. I won’t then tell him/ her or you what to write or how it should be written and I try not to be personal.
Let’s move on.


 

 

 

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28 Jun 2020 09:29:21
Shappy

Interesting you say that youngsters need more direction and wonder whether the club instead have their 1980’s head on. Isn’t that what our direction is now, led by our manager in a cultural reboot back to the old ways?

Moaning teenagers always happen, they all think they deserve more but it is also likely a sign the club structure and planning from top down is not what it should be and yes back to the traditional SAF way.

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31 May 2020 16:43:56
Hi Ken

I am well thanks, but not everyone in my family is, but we shall see on that. Sat drinking vino in the garden.

Someone said this was similar to what Griezmann did. It seems strange announcing it that way.

It would be interesting to see Ed02’s view on Saul and where he is going or if he is at all?

Red Man

 

 

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07 Apr 2020 06:59:54
I have said before, don’t ignore this lad Mejbri, he looked to have serious talent. If anyone can step in rather than the useless Perreira or ageing Mata it is an exciting youth. Up to Mejbri But if he keeps developing he is the type that may well earn a place. As with all youth you have to see, but look beyond Perreira and Mata.

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05 Apr 2020 10:00:35
At the moment the Ed is correct. Between Busby and SAF United fans kept saying we were relevant, a big club, when we were historically big but inconsequential where it mattered. Liverpool were the same for nearly 30 years. Now we are kidding ourselves again. We are irrelevant where it matters in the league and in Europe. We have a manager that has no one convinced, doesn’t have the know how to challenge or make the club relevant. We wallow in sentiment, dewy eyed about history but not able to look at reality of our situation. We have an amateur set up with the focus on finance not football. We have huge debts and will no doubt see a huge loss of income to service them. At the moment we are not at Juventus‘s level. If the league doesn’t finish and unless there is a major change I can’t see it, there will be a large financial hole and trap awaiting us. Maybe the huge debt we have just became an even bigger problem that might wake some up.

We think because of history that we are as big or bigger than Juventus, folly and emotional tosh. A giant club would not have been so amateur over the last 7 years, it wouldn’t have been so sentimental in its decision making. If we are struggling to attract a Birmingham youth to play for our club and OGS, what gives anyone the idea that MDL, who isn’t involved in the sentimental claptrap, will want to take a step down because that is what it would be until we wake up.

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15 Feb 2020 19:00:25
If you played in defence you had to face forward and trust the keeper behind you. If there was any doubt it affected your decision making and concentration.

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07 Aug 2020 11:42:48
Kenedyandy

Megbri looks a player, if he develops next season we may have a player.

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06 Aug 2020 21:16:33
Nou

Then why did they try to keep him?

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06 Aug 2020 21:14:10
I am not bitter towards Ole, how could I, he scored that goal but I am objective about him as a manager. I don’t follow the emotional sentimental course that some do. Yes we got top four and that was welcome, I said well done. However, I also see the same in game management and tactical errors, perhaps others overlook because of who he is. Ed001 and 2 say it, but because Ole has the sentimental choice no one will listen.

There is still no reason for danny to question someone’s loyalty to the club, because they don’t believe the manager is good enough.

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06 Aug 2020 20:25:26
No trophy is MM, the Europa is not Big Ears but still worth winning and I want to see us win it. I don’t care about people saying it was luck, be objective by all means, but put the name on the trophy.

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06 Aug 2020 20:23:05
Eric79

Interesting debate, we should have developed the talent, seen where it got to, worried about the system later. Systems come and go, talent if there, will push through if given the chance. Gomes was massively highly thought of from very young. Often they don’t develop, it can happen but I wanted to see a bit more of him and not sure he got the crack of the whip.

Red Man