10 Oct 2015 11:11:01
Can I join in on where Liverpool will finish? ;)
I honestly don't know. Klopp is a world class manager but he will need time. We may hit the ground running, we may not. And there is a lot of quailty in our squad and a lot of pace. Does milner and Allen fall into that category definitely not but we'll see what team he plays.
The likes of skrtl and milner who have been cemented first teamers need and may well be dropped. But that could cause problems on its own. The biggest positive however is I firmly believe in Klopps reign we will be a far better side and challenge for silverware

{Ed025's Note - i think klopp is quality al. but silk purses and sows ears come to mind mate, maybe next year when he sorts out the dutch elm in the squad you may be in a position to contend..

1.) 10 Oct 2015
10 Oct 2015 11:24:14
Agree with you big Al. Klopp is a top manager, but what makes him special is he's intelligent, charismatic and plays football in the right way. He's also got a good eye in the transfer market.
As a die hard United fan, I've not slept for 3 days thinking about klopp going to Liverpool. Even my wife is peeved off with me. It has seriously put a downer on the last few days.
I think that Liverpool will finish above us this year and I'm sure next year you will challenge. There is a long way to go to reach City standards but I think klopp is capable of doing it.
A lot of the United fans are downplaying the whole thing, but I can guarantee you that they're all secretly wishing he's our manager.

{Ed025's Note - maybe utd are waiting for ancelotti schmidfield?, he is more than a match for klopp imo mate..

2.) 10 Oct 2015
10 Oct 2015 11:30:56
Edd025, Liverpool have the worst backline in the top ten maybe even more. Gomez is young and has been played out of position and I expect much of him as with Clyne and flannaghan is to return soon enough. Central defence and goalkeeper is piss poor.
Central Midfield I expect Can to excel under klopp and henderson to further improve. Milner was an awful signing. Going forward however the club has a lot of quailty. Klopp said in his conference you need a stable defence. he's going to have to work with what we have until January /next summer. I do agree with you though mate, next year we may possibly challenge for the titlE. There's a lot of youngsters who have real raw talent that were isolated by Rodgers, klopp I hope gives them a real chance. We are not man united who have millions to spend from revenue .

{Ed025's Note - i have been very disappointed with can al, i expected really good stuff from him and seen him as a direct replacement for gerrard, but he has been very poor, but that may have been down to the manager maybe..

3.) 10 Oct 2015
10 Oct 2015 11:46:10
Schmid, I live down the road from you' more than happy to meet in the Horseshoe and put £50 down that United will finish above Liverpool this year. I like Klopp but he's not the Messiah

4.) 10 Oct 2015
10 Oct 2015 11:53:48
Schmidfield
the man owes charisma but I'm not getting ahead of myself. The league is an unpredictable and unapologetic league. Fans need to support him through poor results because I fully expect them before we see the success. With Rodgers we could have waited another five years and he would have run the club right into the ground which he was already doing.

5.) 10 Oct 2015
10 Oct 2015 12:18:06
Klopp is a good manager no doubt, the last season he had in Germany wasn't great, average to say the least, and the players he was working with were better than the Liverpool players, I can't think of any Liverpool player who is world class, couthino is about the only one and he is hot and cold, he has a big job to get things right there, I'll bet with anyone they won't finish above us.

6.) 10 Oct 2015
10 Oct 2015 11:48:46
Edd025 he was promising when he first came in and has that burst of pace and skill to open up things in midfield. However he's been played in a back three for the majority of his time which was criminal to the team and the boys confidence. He's a midfielder not a defender. He needs patience and to be played in his correct position. No better man than klopp to see if Can will fulfil his potential.
I seen your comment on anchelloti too Edd025, he's a top drawer manager and I would have been delighted if we had gotten him if klopp hadnt have signed on.
Man honestly I thought klopp and anchelloti were non starters because Liverpool have a huge fan based and are a great club but we aren't one of the "big clubs " anymore and haven't been for the last five years . That may change in the future.

{Ed025's Note - you have made a good start with the appointment of klopp al..

7.) 10 Oct 2015
10 Oct 2015 12:51:20
Leahy
I have to say I do not get this things with "world class "players to make a successful team. And the term is difficult for every fan because man united fans are romanticised by the word. There is only about ten world class players in the world. The rest are top players. Messi is above everyone When he's paying his taxes.

And world class to me is a special special player. United do not have one worldclass player. De gea is an excellent goalkeeper and one of the best in the league but he's no neur.
Coutinho is not worldclass, he can be top class but may well one day be really worldclass.

Can you name me one player in the premier league that would get into a best world 11? I can't.

8.) 10 Oct 2015
10 Oct 2015 12:52:26
Klopp looks a top manager but new to this league and had a terrible season last year in a league which has only one top side. I think a lot of people are getting carried away with his appointment at the end of the day the current Liverpool squad is poor with only a couple players that would push for a place in the bigger sides. I have to admit I'm surprised Klopp went to Liverpool, I think the last season has hurt him from a big job. I'm sure after having to deal with a club like Munich who are a giant snapping up all your best players and dominate ting recently, that Klopp wouldn't want to be in that position again. now he is at Liverpool a smaller stadium and smaller support that Dortmund and he is still at a club who will lose any decent players to big clubs. Doesn't look like he moved up to me and if he fails at Anfield his chances of managing one of the Big clubs would be shot.

9.) 10 Oct 2015
10 Oct 2015 12:48:37
Its a league not a knock out competition so where you finish can change dramatically depending on what the teams around you are playing like.

I think Liverpool will finish 4th or 5th.

City will either finish top or 2nd, their sqaud is too good and they are the most settled of the top teams.

Arsenal are playing well and have loads of talent, but mentally they are weak. I completely agree with Keanes view of the current Arsenal team. As a result they could finish anywhere between 1st to 5th. They are capable of putting a run together but are just as likely to have a mid season collapse.

Chelsea are having the most bizare start to a season I've ever witnessed. There were signs toward the back end of last season, but to fall away so completely is very strange. But they have the squad amd the manager to pull it back. It all depends on how soon they can get their act together will be the deciding factor of how high they will finish.

Ourselves are in a strange place, we aren't playing well, but we are getting results. Sometimes their is very obvious signs of improvement and it looks like the team is about to click and at others we look a million miles away. We will imo finish somewhere between 2nd-4th.

Liverpool will have an injection of impetus with Klopp. But there are some obvious flaws in their squad. They have some very good players in Sakho, Clyne, Can, Henderson, Coutinho, Firmino, Benteke amd Sturridge. So the neculas oof the side is there. But how will Klopp adjust to the Premier league which is a very different beast to the Bundesliga? How quickly will the squad adapt to his methods? How quickly can he build the squad he wants? These are the questions that will detirmine how well Liverpool will finish this season.

I for one am happy to see a rival get stronger, there is no point winning anything unless they're teams worth beating.

{Ed025's Note - good post that shappy, except for your interpretation of very good players...for me sakho is very slow but solid, clyne is good going forward but an accident waiting to happen in defence, henderson is an engine without a rudder, and firmino has yet to prove anything to me mate...but then again im biased.. :)

10.) 10 Oct 2015
10 Oct 2015 13:20:03
World class was too much of a word to use for Liverpool, even United at the minute, people are getting carried away with the klopp at the moment, time will tell but I can't see Liverpool being any better this season, they don't have the players, a bunch of average players.the standard of football in the league doesn't look good this year, and it can be seen also when the top sides in England are playing in Europe, don't know what it is, players too spoilt, too much money maybe, it doesn't look good, Liverpool won't be in the top four, I'd bet Chelsea will get back in there

11.) 10 Oct 2015
10 Oct 2015 13:26:19
I think they need a lot of work. Lot of average players not much class. Will he have the funds. He's already said it'll be 4 years before a challenge will the fans have patience.

12.) 10 Oct 2015
10 Oct 2015 13:27:40
Sakho is far from slow mate. He may look awkward but if you watch him closely you'll understand he is our best defender

{Ed025's Note - awkward may be the right word reet..and if hes your best defender mate good luck..

13.) 10 Oct 2015
10 Oct 2015 13:28:46
Do u know what, I really don't care lol.

If he gets Liverpool to up there game just tells me there players are flakey.

If they come second as long as we are 1st I'm happy.

I'm a utd fan, I really only care about us, I'm not a klopp fan boy. I appreciated his Dortmund teams 2 or 3 years ago.

I'm not quite sure how he will do, there's not the quality at Liverpool like Dortmund and there's not a bucket load of cash to spend either and last time I checked he couldn't walk on water too, if he bring competition that's good, the more the better.

We didn't become the most successful domestic team in England by running away from these types of challenges, we faced them up and became better.

I'm sure in 2/3 years he will do one again anyway when it doesn't go to plan :)

{Ed025's Note - oh how cynical of you chris.. :)

14.) 10 Oct 2015
10 Oct 2015 13:35:48
So you must think skrtel is?

15.) 10 Oct 2015
10 Oct 2015 13:50:15
Lol ed, cynical it may be but I don't understand how this man has become this messiah all of a sudden.

I actually do think he fits Liverpool very well.
He shouts and screams with lots of posturing, but let's be honest there are at least 5/6 teams in the PL with better squads than Liverpool.
In Dortmund there was one in bayern and when it turned to 3 with Wolfsburg joining the party he dropped places again.
That's not cynical that's a fact. For 2 years he had players at the top of there game in Lewi and Goetze and they were winning things while bayern sorted themselves out.
I can't see Liverpool's version of those players.
I remember being told Ibe was better than Sterling so forgive me if I don't jump on board with the 5 knuckle shuffle I'm being told to do just yet :)

Like at Dortmund he won't have buckets to spend at lfc, and I'm yet to see a player he bought to replace a player that left to win things with a player of equal quality too.

That might sound cynical but I'll give him at least till the end of the season and 2 Windows before I start claiming him to be the saviour of Liverpool fc. Like I am with LVG and so far I'm not impressed with him atm.

16.) 10 Oct 2015
10 Oct 2015 13:50:32
I'm not worried. Sure the German league is technically of a higher standard but Bayern are the only major team and they were having a bit of a rebuild. And Dortmund's own rebuild wasn't a success. I think he's good at taking clubs up to challenge but can't hack the pressure of keeping clubs there.

17.) 10 Oct 2015
10 Oct 2015 14:41:20
When does the whole 'let's lose the plot because Liverpool have a new manager ' thing end ?

18.) 10 Oct 2015
10 Oct 2015 14:52:25
When they lose.

19.) 10 Oct 2015
10 Oct 2015 15:05:35
I know he is a good manager, but he isn't a miracle worker or immune from bad decisions.

Liverpool are not a top 4 club with the squad they have IMO; and a change of manager isn't going to change that fact over night.

20.) 10 Oct 2015
10 Oct 2015 16:04:16
How you can say that de gea is not world class is beyond me, he's possibly the best keeper in the world with only perhaps one player slightly better than him

21.) 10 Oct 2015
10 Oct 2015 19:17:00
Ed25. I like Klopp because he has charisma and his teams play in the right way. I've never been a lover of Ancelotti as he's very regimented. Can he build an exciting team? He's Italian and flamboyance is not their middle name.
Ajh. You must be very local. A drink Anytime when I'm back will be great. I would happily lose the £50 if we finish above the scourers. But I get the feeling that October is going to be a bad month. We've been desimated by arsenal and now we have Everton away (loss), city home (loss) palace away (draw at best). In the meantime, lvg will be weaving 2 million passes around the opposition and getting nowhere. Sorry, but I think Klopp will have scourers playing the right way within 3 months.

22.) 10 Oct 2015
10 Oct 2015 19:25:58
schmidfield since you already know them results in the coming weeks fancy telling me the lottery numbers for the next month?

23.) 10 Oct 2015
10 Oct 2015 19:31:35
Shappy

Have to completely disagree with you on Arsenal. They will not finish outside the top 2 and Liverpool will not finish in the top 4 mate. I have no idea where you get your analysis from, it is there for everyone to see. Their squad is not ready to go top 4 and I would give Everton, Southampton and even Spurs a higher chance.

I said before the season starts let's see where we are after 15 games.

October is a good gauge of this team and what we saw was quite worrying. I am not holding my breath in terms of getting a result at Everton either subject to who plays for them.

The gods are smiling on us with Silva and Aguero picking up injuries and I will not say what i though our chances were if they have their full squad playing.

24.) 11 Oct 2015
11 Oct 2015 09:04:53
To say with such certainty that Liverpool will finish above us this year just smacks of gratuitous pessimism I reckon. Klopp will improve them, partly because of his ability and partly because of the buzz his appointment has created, but we are still fundamentally the better side. Next year however, once he has a chance to make his own side, we are in real danger of that happening. Although I think that if used properly, we will still have the better squad next term.

Personally, I relish the scousers stepping up again, it's always been the best rivalry. So long as we win!

25.) 11 Oct 2015
11 Oct 2015 09:51:38
Shahram, what makes you so sure Arsenal will do so well this year?

They have a very good team, but they have had a very good team for several years. But the same problems still remain.

They are susceptible to defensive errors, and lack the steel for a fight.

They are mentally weak and crack under pressure.

And they lack any sort of plan B.

I expect them to finish top 4, but they will have a couple of months of dodgy results this season, and whem they do it will have an effect on where they can finish.

26.) 11 Oct 2015
11 Oct 2015 17:12:40
Shappy

They will do very well because they have a very good squad with a few weaknesses but significantly less than the other so called top 4 contenders, a very good manager, a maturing bunch who have now been together for a few years and no such a thing of integrating a bucket load of players and some new philosophy. They create a bucket load of chances and have too many good players not to take advantage of that. In short they will tear teams apart like city does but even on a more consistent basis.

You are regurgitate all the nonsense that come sour of Roy Keane's mouth, because he talks utter s. t but you actually try and put a tactical twist to it LOL,

Every team is susceptible to defensive errors so what is your point? We have allowed 8 goals, where city and arsenal have allowed 7. Splitting hairs mate everyone is going to leak goals this year the team that has the most bit upfront will probably end up winning it and they have bite.

They have their best team in years and a team that is much more matured so have to disagree with you this is not like any other. Best record since last january of any team in the PL and they will continue to progress on that. Fcats don't lie mate.

"They are mentally weak" is bs the pundits come out with. Its same ones that one week make us pl contenders and next week believe we might struggle to get 4th. you repeating the same bs mate. the same guys should we lose to Everton this weekend will question if LVG deserves the job. Watch that space.

Plan B really? They actually have the likes of Ox, Giroud that can change a game.

You said in your post "As a result they could finish anywhere between 1st to 5th. " so what is top 4 or top 5 mate.

Stop spinning and take a view and this is not politico lol. BTW i will remind you and feel free to do the same.