02 Apr 2024 20:52:48
Rumours that Martinez has picked up a calf strain in training and out for a few weeks. If true, it's April, the season nearing the end, surely training should not be so intense. Questions must be asked how we are getting so many injuries in training.

1.) 02 Apr 2024
02 Apr 2024 22:21:17
What are you taking about Redman? He's been out for months, he needs to be trading to get back up to speed. And when someone has had a long layoff like that, very common to get small strains as the body is readjusting.

Sick of reading about the training being too hard. Can only imagine it comes from players who don't want to do the work. City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Tottenham, Aston villa, Newcastle and many others in the league look a lot fitter than we are. We just played Brentford and got out run, out worked all over the pitch. Hard work is expected. That said, for all we know Martinez could have strained a calf doing the most innocuous jog, it happens to players recovering match fitness.

2.) 02 Apr 2024
02 Apr 2024 22:21:28
When you have been out as long as he has, it's very easy to pick up another injury as some parts over compensate for other parts, maybe not being as healthy and fully recovered. Nothing to do with training and happens to plenty of players. He looks a lot heavier and bulkier than when he is fit.

3.) 02 Apr 2024
02 Apr 2024 22:21:40
Being reported on Sky Sports.

4.) 02 Apr 2024
02 Apr 2024 23:10:17
Listen to any top player under Fergie and they all say the training was intense. Train like you play, is a phase I’ve often heard a lot them use.

Martinez is unfortunately a crock. The bloke is never fit. If this was Varane everyone would be up in arms. He’s virtually missed the entire season now and the last 3 months of the previous one as well. Simply not good enough. A fit Martinez is a real asset, I love his aggression and ability on the ball but it’s no good if he’s never fit. Another problem to add to the long list.

5.) 03 Apr 2024
03 Apr 2024 00:30:10
A little harsh to say he’s a crock, he broke his foot, that’s not exactly anything he can do much about, coming back from that he has hurt his knee in a challenge, it can happen, it’s not like he’s constantly out with a hamstring injury etc. Before he broke his foot he had missed around 10-15 games injured in his whole career, so he’s been unfortunate, not a crock.

6.) 03 Apr 2024
03 Apr 2024 03:57:30
There is also something about our medical department rushing him back and he wasn't right and had a relapse. Our medical department has been terrible and hopefully ineos will put that right.

7.) 03 Apr 2024
03 Apr 2024 04:56:33
Training not being intense enough is the reason why there are so many muscular injuries happening. Personally, I think that your players came into the season a bit undercooked and that you messed up the pre-season by going on tour too early. We made the same mistake last year and loads of our players were injured as well. The medical department definitely plays a part in rushing back players too quickly but for injury prevention, the fitness department needs a look as well.

8.) 03 Apr 2024
03 Apr 2024 05:30:28
This latest setback is precisely why we need 2 CBs as priority signings - a younger rotational/ backup option for the left and a starter on the right.

The next best current option for us on the left side is Shaw who has also had his season curtailed by injury. Then what, Evans or Maguire.

We don't need to spaff £70+m on Branthwaite, we need to start boxing clever. Another interesting name is Calafiori of Bologna.

The options we'll inevitably look at for the right side are obvious - established and expensive.

Personally, I'd go for a LB over a RB this summer, the latter can be addressed next season.

9.) 03 Apr 2024
03 Apr 2024 06:56:33
55 injuries Redman, I'd be more inclined to ask wtf is going on with the medical department.

Training being too intense, give us a break ?.

10.) 03 Apr 2024
03 Apr 2024 09:39:37
Right training is all ok then, nothing to see . Players getting regular injuries in training at the end of a hard season all normal.

11.) 03 Apr 2024
03 Apr 2024 10:10:41
Nothing to do with the medical dept I've heard it all now.
Score a few own goals with those deflections angel?.

12.) 03 Apr 2024
03 Apr 2024 10:44:27
Redman in some parts of Ireland where angel is from if you get sick it's the doctors fault and if you need to go to the hospital it's the hospitals fault.
First thing they say when the walk into the doc is "look at what you've done to me" unbelievable Geoff ??.

13.) 03 Apr 2024
03 Apr 2024 10:49:21
I read yesterday that Newcastle while looking to do a whole review at the end of season due to the about of injuries they have sustained this year.
There will be a reasons and changes to be made in prep work I'd guess.

14.) 03 Apr 2024
03 Apr 2024 11:12:14
The Prem is the toughest league in the world, and it's getting tougher. There are more games than ever, and they'd like more.
Although Utd have had a crap hand this season all clubs have injuries, including the top ones. Clearly City and Liverpool at least have strong enough squads to cope and bring in quality when it happens to them, we don't have anything inspiring in reserve at all when I look at the bench.

15.) 03 Apr 2024
03 Apr 2024 11:27:53
Red Man I think there are a few reasons why the players are getting injured. The whole league got record injuries this season, not just United, its through the whole league I have never seen Injuries this bad for almost all the 20 clubs in the league. The only difference I can see that changed in recent times is the world cup being played mid season, having a shorter recovery period in the summer and this is the result. You can blame ETH for a lot of things if that's how you are but I don't think this is one of them.

16.) 03 Apr 2024
03 Apr 2024 13:05:53
Dio I would suggest that has had a huge impact.
As you say it's not just united. A lot of clubs have had a lot of injuries last 18 months.
Players are overplayed that's the problem.
You get dopes saying they should be able to play every day on 300k a week blah blah blah.
Athletic stars perform at most every couple of weeks.
Rugby stars never more than one a week
Race horses once a week.
Swimmers a major gala once a month
The list goes on.
The intensity at which the game is played means there are more injuries and that's compounded by their workload.
These guys are being flogged to death physically and their bodies can't cope.
I'll tell you for sure our medical team are not to blame for the injuries only a complete idiot would think that.

17.) 03 Apr 2024
03 Apr 2024 13:14:23
Ten Hag blamed United's persistent injuries on an 'overload' of games and pointed out that other Premier League teams have suffered as well.

'You can't prevent it, it's not only us who've had this, ' he added. 'The standards of the Premier League from an intensity perspective are so high, the overload of the schedule, international football is so huge, and we have internationals in our squad. “

Intense training at the end of a long hard season is perfectly fine of course.

18.) 03 Apr 2024
03 Apr 2024 17:02:47
I’m bemused by people complaining about intense training.

It is obvious in every game that the squad are incapable of playing high tempo/ high intensity football for more than twenty minutes a game. The ground covered per game by our squad is consistently one of the lowest in the league. Everything is pointing to the players being not in good enough physical condition to compete at the top level of the EPL.

Why are the team doing high intensity training toward the end of the season? Because they’re not in good enough shape to compete. People want the manager to push the players, but he can’t push them if they are unable to get to the required level of physical condition in strength and stamina to actually compete.

19.) 03 Apr 2024
03 Apr 2024 17:07:26
RedMan - You’ve always struck me as a very considered and knowledgeable poster. I always enjoy reading your posts but for once I think I must respectfully disagree.

I don’t think we have any reliable evidence of the training sessions being too intense. I have read a few reports which seem to originate from sources allegedly close to some players.

I watched them against Brentford, witnessed their lack of application, motivation, energy, hunger, intensity or desire. This was not the first time we’ve seen this. I find it hard to believe that they are busting a gut in training and getting injured when they can’t even be bothered to work hard with the prerequisite effort and intensity in Premier League games. Of course this is just my opinion.

20.) 03 Apr 2024
03 Apr 2024 17:39:25
Redman would blame eth for the standard of the bathrooms at OT if he could. The page is split between those who are looking to throw sh. t at him for every set back, results, injuries, players forms, selection etc etc and those who don't see it that way. Just look at how many players are injured with serious stuff across the league.
Some of ours were injury prone even before eth arrived so nothing new move on.


Its a pointless debate as neither side will change their view. Massive game tonight and a win will go a long way and we stay in it with a fighting chance.

21.) 03 Apr 2024
03 Apr 2024 17:55:04
DLIB

Thank you, happy to discuss as always, differing opinions are what the site is about.

The evidence is the injuries in training, muscle injuries as well, then they look too tired to press or maintain intensity on match day. There have been consistent rumours the players are unhappy with the intensity of the training. Team players moan and often it is just they don’t like something but the evidence of a lack of intensity in games has to come from somewhere. At their age I could run quite a bit, they do not seem to, why? After Brentford last season ETH ran them the 13 Km they didn’t run in the game, they did better, next games but is he still trying to do that?

I recall previous discussions on training, including during SAF tenure, intense pre season and through the season but as the season goes on and certainly near the end when playing back to back matches the training was not as intense, to allow body recovery. Hell Giggs was on Yoga. (Not the local floosy) Are we doing lung busting running?

My original post was that it needs investigating, I didn’t directly blame ETH, but there have to be questions on why these training injuries are occurring. Who organises the training and flogs the players?
Something isn’t right when we are getting injuries at this level in training.

22.) 03 Apr 2024
03 Apr 2024 18:04:22
Tonight?

23.) 03 Apr 2024
03 Apr 2024 18:15:01
Danny I hear you and all very valid.
We are miles off the other teams in the speed of our play the speed we move the ball and get around the pitch.
That will not be fixed in April that needs doing pre season. We were not fit enough from day 1 this season it stands out like a sore thumb.
Who is to blame for that? Can't be eth he just needs more time to implement his process
Might be easier with 2 game a week next season??.

24.) 03 Apr 2024
03 Apr 2024 19:01:40
Redman - I fully agree it needs investigating, I’m just not convinced the intensity of the training is the problem, of course I could be wrong.

Other managers have complained regarding a lack of fitness. Rangnick complained the players weren’t fit enough. His gengenpressing pressing lasted 45 minutes against Crystal Palace in his first game. It was probably the best football we saw all that season.

Ole also bemoaned a lack of fitness and work rate.

A lot of our players have consistently picked up injuries prior to EtH.

Martial, Varane, Shaw were always susceptible to injury, Maguire started to pick up the odd injury even under Ole, Mount was injured at Chelsea in his final season. Hoijlund arrived with a back injury.

It’s been a terrible season.

25.) 03 Apr 2024
03 Apr 2024 20:23:33
muppetiers has a podcast today and interesting stuff about united injuries. don't agree with everything he says or don't know if its true but food for thought.

One interesting thing he mentioned is klop had 40 injuries by January in his first year at liverpool changing their style of play and getting them to be much more physical and a pressing style. Did not know that. He als0 mentioned klop got rid of a lot of players who could not physically do what he wanted. Interesting stuff on city and arsenal too.

26.) 03 Apr 2024
03 Apr 2024 20:58:39
Ahmad - I think Klopp instilled a philosophy that Liverpool had to be fitter, faster and quicker than their opponents. He placed great value in the running power of his players theorising only then would their extra skill and ability make the difference.

One of the metrics used to recruit players was RSA or repeated sprint ability, the ability to perform continuous high intensity sprints. I think this was a metric players like Mane, Firminho and Salah excelled amongst others.

Every aspect of performance is measured and analysed at most top Clubs and also used in recruitment. It wouldn’t surprise me if Utd have been behind the curve again.

27.) 03 Apr 2024
03 Apr 2024 22:26:44
DlIB

He basically says something along those lines and also says that's how eth wants to play. He says he benched those ideas in the first year as he realized the players we had can't do it and the pl is very tough league.

He also says this year they have tried to push ahead and get us to be more physically prepared but also mentions many in this squad can't cope playing that way and why he plays certain players every game when fit as they are the few that can do what he wants.

Finally said something along the lines that united have had this issue for years and previous managers have also faced this and our recruitment has not been like the likes of city have changed their recruitment over the years to cope same as arsenal, liverpool where they emphasize a certain type of physical output a player must have as requirement before buying them.

28.) 03 Apr 2024
03 Apr 2024 22:51:49
Ahmad - All very interesting pal, cheers.

29.) 03 Apr 2024
03 Apr 2024 22:53:25
Hold the press! Some of the posters forgot to wipe their bottoms this morning!

Blame Eth.

30.) 04 Apr 2024
04 Apr 2024 11:36:13
So his signings of ericksen casimero Anthony amrabat mount and malacia do not fall into that profile of player. Laughable.