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21 Jul 2020 08:15:50
There has been some fierce debate since the Chelsea defeat but maybe some perspective is needed.

Only a couple of weeks ago Chelsea lost to West Ham and Sheffield Utd and looked anything like convincing in a narrow victory over Crystal Palace. They have their own problems in defence and with another Spanish goalkeeper coincidentally so they have not suddenly become world beaters again overnight.

Utd now need to show some resilience and mental strength. We look a team showing signs of fatigue and some parallels can be drawn to last season when Ole went on a magnificent run only for it to fall apart once we'd dragged ourselves back into contention. The same excuses were rolled out then. Injury and fatigue bore the blame but this time history cannot repeat itself.

We need to exhibit a steely reserve, to win our next two fixtures and complete a remarkable turn around. There will be no trophy or even celebration for finishing 4th. It will still represent a poor season where we have finished over 30 points behind the leaders but maybe the seeds of recovery have been sown over the last few weeks. A return to Europe's elite competition will see us welcome Europe's best back to Old Trafford and hopefully the extra revenue generated will be reinvested back into the playing squad.

As for next season expectations should be tempered. Any talk of a title challenge is dangerously premature and once again we'll be in a fight for a top 4 finish with the likes of Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, Leicester, Wolves etc

Progress has been made, the team is now capable of scoring more goals, is becoming more consistent, whilst the style and brand of football is slowly evolving. I think we've been treated to some fantastic, attacking football since the re start, scoring some memorable goals and perhaps we have seen the birth of our next academy superstar.

We've seen ourselves the difference that just one player can make to a team so with the right recruitment we do have cause for optimism. The prospect of seeing Rashford, Martial, Fernandes and Sancho not matter how unlikely is exciting and with Greenwood continuing to develop we have a core of good players capable of competing with the best.

We must now finish the job and look forwards not back. The Chelsea defeat is consigned to history and in some ways we have bigger business to take care of. It's a big week ahead for Ole Gunnar Solskjaer and the direction of his Man Utd team.

DLIB

1.) 21 Jul 2020 10:27:48
Dlib
Nice to see there are still some people on the site with a modicum of common sense and knowledge. 👏👏.


2.) 21 Jul 2020 10:28:57
Sensible post. I think the issue is most of us have become entrenched in our views either pro or against the manager. Them the most recent results become the basis of either proving your opinion right or wrong.

The reality is the unless Ole massively improves them he isn't the right long term manager for us. Yet in the short term he has shipped out the right players, brought in players with the right mentality, he has given youth a chance, improved most players in the squad and given the club back some of its identity. As a result whoever takes over will take over a club and a side in much better shape than it was when Ole took over.

Whether this summer, next summer or beyond is the right time to replace Ole remains to be seen and until he is will remain a hypothetical opinion only.

My view is we have a young side that is benefitting from having a manger who trusts them, regardless of who we sign we are too far off of Liverpool and City who have sides at their peak currently to realistically catch them next season.

They say a squad peaks with an average age between 26-29. That is where Liverpool and City are now. Our average age is 23/ 24 so we need more experience before we hit our peak.

For me next season would be a success if we are comfortably 3rd with a much smaller gap between us and 1st, anything below a 10 point gap would be a great improvement. I think we need to win a cup either the Europa League this season or a cup next season. Winning breeds a winning mentality and with so many young players in the squad winning a cup would be a huge growth experience for them.

Onwards and upwards. We need to refocus on the next game, forget Leicester. Win at West Ham, and try and win by a good margin. That would show a good bounce back mentality and would go some way to maintaining confidence levels. While also putting us in the best possible place ahead of the final day showdown.


3.) 21 Jul 2020 10:58:29
Agreed. If Ole can get us back into the top 4, playing some good football, maybe Europa League as a bonus, you have to after he’s done a sterling job and deserves another transfer window to continue his project. The atmosphere around our club is chalk and cheese to Jose’s reign. I for one am not complaining - yes he makes a few mistakes, but he’s learning all the time.


4.) 21 Jul 2020 11:20:01
Top post DLIB.


5.) 21 Jul 2020 12:07:37
Top post and well said DLIB.


6.) 21 Jul 2020 12:52:37
Good post dlib. City have lost a host of league games this year and are 20 points worse off than last year and have just been outplayed by arsenal. Do we see mass hysteria? Sack pep? players not good enough? No we don't. If I had said after the Burnley defeat that with 2 league games to go CL qualification would be in our hands I would have been laughed off this site. We are looking a little fatigued which is why the team and the manager need all our support not relentless criticism for losing a game which wasn't in the grand scheme of things particularly important.


7.) 21 Jul 2020 13:31:30
our inability to finish teams off is one of the issues we had early in the season which has cost us points.


we have drew 11 games.

lost the 2nd least amount of games and have conceded the joint second least.

i think with a few more players, especially a right winger, and another central midfielder regardless if pogba stays or not you will see a difference.


8.) 21 Jul 2020 14:02:34
Good post DLIB.

But I remain unconvinced that Ole has what it takes to take us forward next season and beyond. Still too many question marks hang over him and what he has achieved so far. I do hope I am wrong.


 

 

 

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27 Dec 2020 21:46:04
I have just watched Spurs try to defend a 1-0 lead from the very first minute against Wolves. Jose is still the ultimate pragmatist. Can he still win the top honours playing that way only time will tell but it's a tough watch if you don't get the right result.

Wolves have some very pacy, tricky, mobile forwards with the potential to cause our defence all kinds of problems on Tuesday night. They can lack a cutting edge at times but I think they will be very dangerous opponents. If we have any ambition of challenging Liverpool then it's imperative that we start to win these kind of games especially after the disappointment of Saturday's late equaliser.

Our away has been brilliant so in some regards our next two home games against Wolves and Villa could be very difficult fixtures. Games we should win but we'll get punished if we are complacent and not at our best. The next two games might just give us a better indication of how our season may pan out. Win them both and its sets up a mouthwatering fixture against Liverpool in mid January or has the Leicester equaliser took the wind out of our sails and we'll see yet another bad run just as we've played our way back into contention.

DLIB

1.) 27 Dec 2020 21:57:53
It was painful seeing spurs play that dour dlib I kinda doubt that will go down well with spurs fans .
Netto, podence and traore looked a handful and villa and wolves will be tricky games, we are better attacking than defending, so I hope we aim to outscore them.


2.) 27 Dec 2020 22:07:30
Spurs are beyond doubt the most negative team in the EPL .


3.) 27 Dec 2020 22:21:18
Neto looks absolute quality. The work ethic he put into that game was ridiculous. Wouldn’t mind getting him at Utd.


4.) 27 Dec 2020 22:47:44
I've been really impressed with Pedro Neto, great little player and only 20 years old.

He was the reason Wolves were happy to sell Jota (whose be fantastic at Liverpool) . But Neto and Podance had pushed him out of the starting line up before he left for Liverpool.

While I'd love to see Dan James become a top player. The reality is that he doesn't look like he is going to make it at the level we need sadly. Neto would be a great option in my opinion.

We tend to do okay with Portuguese players as well.

Hard working, clever, creative and a good shot. We will need to keep him quite if we want to get a result against Wolves.

I won't comment on Jose and his style. I'd imagine everyone is well aware of how I feel about it.


5.) 27 Dec 2020 23:23:28
Was just thinking Neto could be a great option to push Rashford at LW. We need a natural L and RW as what we have at the moment are very good players playing slightly out of position in those rolls.


6.) 28 Dec 2020 10:36:49
I’ve really enjoyed watching Podence and Neto this season and have both in my Fantasy team.

Podence reminds me so much of Mata. He’s a neat little player, not the quickest but he works his socks off and covers so much ground.

Neto for me has been one of the best players of the season. He’s a grafter and has the quality to back it up. I’d love to see him in a United shirt. He’d be perfect for the gaping hole we have at RW.


7.) 28 Dec 2020 12:36:53
That match sums up perfectly why Jose is not still at Utd.


8.) 28 Dec 2020 17:01:01
Podence is a very tricky little player, I've enjoyed watching him.


 

 

13 Dec 2020 09:49:53
I don't think it really matters anymore whether your Ole in or Ole out his fate will ultimately be determined by our results and performances.

Ole will not get the sack whilst he has a chance of getting top 4 and the fact we have dropped down to the Europa League provides him with yet another opportunity which probably means we are stuck with him until at least February.

The board sets the objectives and drives the standards and I think we must question the ambition of a Club that is seemingly content to finish within the top 4 and make up the numbers.

I think this mindset engulfs the entire Club and ultimately influences the attitude of both the players and the manager to the extent where they actually think they are doing ok if they are within reach of the top 4 regardless of how far off the top they may fall. This may explain some of the inconsistency as when expectations are lowered some of the hunger and desire is inevitably taken from the team.

Looking forward if we can beat Sheffield Utd and Leeds in our next two fixtures that would represent 6 wins and a draw from our last 7 league games. That would probably have us within a few points off the top at Christmas. I have no idea where we will finish but in recent seasons we've been no where near the top at this stage.

The City game is over and it must now be followed up by victories against Sheffield Utd and Leeds for it to be a valuable point.

Both Chelsea and City have come to Old Trafford this season with a more pragmatic attitude, determined not to be caught on the counter. Both teams have showed us a lot of respect and actually changed the way they played, stifled their attacking instincts and were seemingly happy to go away with 0-0 draws. They made it difficult and chances were few and far between in both games. Whilst Ole has been accused of being negative both Lampard and Pep also contributed in two largely uninspiring, cagey affairs.

I think whatever side of the fence you sit on in relation to Ole we really need our owners and decision makers to show more ambition and leadership if we are serious about competing at the top once again.

In my opinion our primary focus should remain on the ownership and decision makers at the Club to demonstrate more ambition, robust leadership and to recruit a panel of experts on the football side of the business in order to drive standards, provide the Club with focus, direction and a clear plan for future success.


Ole may be out of his depth, but for a Club run by investment bankers he is delivering what they want and meeting expectations for now. Perhaps that is the biggest problem.

DLIB

1.) 13 Dec 2020 10:47:58
I think it's a weird season this year, and because of everything effecting it I think teams will be much more closely packed than they have in previous seasons. The calendar impacts those playing in Europe far more than those not.

As such I really wouldn't be surprised if come the start of April that there might only be a few points separating 10th place and 4th place. With maybe as many as 7 teams still able to finish in the UCL places depending on the run in.

If we are going to wait until failure to get UCL places is confirmed we will likely have to wait until end of April/ start of May.

Win our game in hand and we could be as high as 3rd depending on other results this weekend.

Personally I think the solution to this season is splitting the squad in two, having one for the league and one for the cups and leave it at that. Squad players and youth players in the cups, and if we get knocked out early in all of them then so be it.

We don't have a great squad and in a far from ideal season we need pragmatism not idealistic dreams of what might be.

Focus on the league, we have a good enough first 11 to get maybe even get second place looking at how teams like City are playing at the moment. However, if we try to spread ourselves too thinly then we stand a very real chance of ending up with nothing.


2.) 13 Dec 2020 14:23:00
DLIB

If you read my previous posts on this, the owners are not making day to day decisions but they will provide direction for the clubs board, what their priorities are seen as and then the boards get on with it.

I have always believed the direction set is more financial rather than football. The name and the glory from years under SAF have been well utilised to get deals and sponsors, however now that must be dwindling. Games like yesterday will not attract viewers, not competing at the top will cause issues. The dividends seem to be particularly important, if the financial numbers are very poor next year it will be harder to justify dividends and that may start a change in direction.

The aims do not seem to be the same as Liverpool or City’s. The continuing support of a vastly inferior manager, who accepted the transfers he received, is not commensurate with a club that is ambitious to get to the top. However, it is a situation that if we make top 4 with a famous ex player the money may keep coming in.


 

 

10 Dec 2020 21:04:14
Ole's biggest mistake at Man Utd has been his failure to implement a recognisable style of play or formation.

He talks about working hard, pressing from the front, moving the ball quickly, passing forward and being brave in possession yet his team selections are often conservative and reactionary rather than bold and positive. When does his actions ever match his words?

Whilst his recruitment looks decent enough if you scratch below the surface how do the likes of Maguire and AWB fit into a team that wants to play on the front foot and push high up the pitch? A RW still hasn't been recruited (probably down to the incompetence of the board) and VdB has only added more confusion than solutions. He has failed to adequately address the Pogba situation and the likes of Rashford, Martial and Greenwood can still blow hot and cold.

I think Ole has been guilty of sending mixed messages and he appears to be in conflict with his own words and beliefs!

Having watched Utd under Ole for nearly two years I believe he is in essence a pragmatic risk averse manager. His teams don't press the ball aggressively or want to win it back high up the pitch. He likes to play with two defensive midfielders and let his front four try and win the game through moments of individual quality rather than any structured or coherent patterns of play.

He has had some success against the better teams playing on the counter attack but I think he understands deep down that this approach will not be tolerated for ever. He just hasn't been able to implement a style that can consistently break down teams that sit deep behind the ball and the likes of Maguire, AWB, Fred and Mctominay will never have the quality to allow him to play a more dominant and adventurous brand of football. Expecting Maguire to play a high line, AWB to be a creative force or wanting Fred and Mctominay to play incisive passes through the lines into the forwards will not bring the inventive or attacking football the fans crave.

I actually think Ole could have some success with this Utd team if he just nailed his colours to the mast rather than continually trying to convince the world that he is an innovative coach with flair, imagination and attacking instincts.

There is no doubt that Fred and Mctominay bring a structure and industry to the midfield which protects the back 4 and provides the team with the ability to win the ball back. We have a front 4 capable of clicking into gear and scoring goals at any given moment and Fernandes has finally provided the team the consistent attacking threat it has been lacking.

I'd back the likes of Fernandes, Rashford, Greenwood, Martial or Cavani to provide goals against most teams with VdB and Mata also capable of injecting some quality and flair into the team.

Ole will never play football like Pep, Klopp, Bielsa, or Poch because he's not that way inclined. It's time he removed the disguise and stuck to the 4-2-3-1 he so desperately wants to play with protection for the back 4 and let his front 4 win the game!

It might not win him a league title or any accolades for innovation but it might just provide the team with some consistency, clarity and a platform to win football matches.

DLIB

1.) 10 Dec 2020 22:20:46
Ole has been unable to put any kind of stamp on this team because he is simply not able to. A poor coach who has heavily relied upon the individual brilliance of certain members of our squad, none more so than Bruno.

Bolloxology is in its ascendency at the moment on this site with a couple of posters but your post above might be the best yet 🤣

Stop clinging on to any hope that Ole has any tactical nous. You are right, he won't win a league title and by all means, I hope he does win more premier League matches, just not with us.

Get him out and be done with it.


2.) 10 Dec 2020 23:30:04
Sounds great DLIB, can't wait.


3.) 11 Dec 2020 01:11:09
DLIB,

Good post mate, you might be right to an extent but I just don’t think he’s very good, I really enjoy reading your stuff and there are bits I agree and disagree with but always well argued points, not sure anyone should be just calling the whole of it bolloxology just because they disagree when you have taken time to post something but that’s just me I guess.


4.) 11 Dec 2020 07:08:36
Only my opinion GDS, sorry.


5.) 11 Dec 2020 07:27:21
Good post angel. Bolloxology is fair.
Dlib if he desperately wants to play a system why not play it? he is meant to be in charge. You have no idea what he desperately wants to play that's just a guess on your part.
If you think the word bolloxology is rude after your long post i'm sorry but as someone post last week it is a banter site still. 😊😊.


6.) 11 Dec 2020 09:00:22
Ken - If calling something bolloxology is your idea of banter you need to get some new material mate!

Banter is supposed to be witty exchange, some harmless jousting back and fourth. bolloxology is something a 5 year old would come up with and laugh at the ridiculousness of the word with all their friends.

You want Ole out, I get it you post it nearly every day and if someone dares to disagree you resort to the reasoning of a 5 year old and call it banter.

I've always been of the opinion that if you don't agree with something either stay silent or argue your point. Of course if you want to call something bolloxology then that's your prerogative but it's not banter pal.

If you want to engage in bants think of a funny, witty reply and I will do my best to reciprocate and maybe that would help to lighten the mood somewhat. We could all do with good laugh.

Come on Ken show us your bants I want to see some intelligent, funny, witty replies from now on! Bolloxology just won't cut it my good friend.


7.) 11 Dec 2020 09:10:46
Dlib in the league our results have been great away from home our performances less so imo. I can't put my finger on it.
Even i can see that its a great run of results. There have been a few lucky ones but also lots of deserved ones.
Why do you think that is?
Everything just appears to be off the cuff.
Would i be surprised if city beat us? No i wouldn't. Will i be surprised if we beat them? No not really?
What formation will he play?
What personnel? What keeper?
What tactics will he employ.
The last 4 league results have been good.
Periods of good play but on the whole I've not been impressed and on the balance of play in 12 points we got a lot more than we deserved, but it is a results business and like with jose ill put up as long as we are winning. But every loss then raises questions the pressure will intensify.
For me its against the traditions of the club to set out asp defencively to be so submissive to approach games as the underdog.


8.) 11 Dec 2020 09:42:27
Dlib i'd try quick and witty but not sure you would understand quick as all your posts take far too long to read to do anything quickly😂.


9.) 11 Dec 2020 09:56:41
I'd say your some craic at parties DLIB 😂😂

Sorry if it offended, i think it's not a bad word to be fair to describe a lot of the shielding that Ole gets from posters on here. Just comes across as a bit of waffle, making out that it's not really the managers fault.

Well actually, I think a lot of it is down to him, just like it was down to Jose and LVG before, the main difference being that they actually won something!

We all know the issues upstairs and I'm not sure we are going to move away from those any time soon. But this squad, right now, is as good as we have had in years, I see players flailing, regressing, not knowing what's going on, on the pitch. Having an out of depth coach such as Ole is terrible for a club and squad of this quality.

I just don't agree with the posts of yours or shappys, constantly defending Ole. I think Bolloxology is a decent word for them to be fair😉.


10.) 11 Dec 2020 10:04:04
DLIB

You think Ole is trying to be innovative, I think he is trying not to lose.

I have no idea what will happen tomorrow, probably after two bad defeats, we will catch City on the break and beat them. For some, it will be Ole at the wheel, until the wheel falls off yet again.

On Tuesday he set up with 5 defenders, 2 defensive midfielders, ultra defensive, but had badly drilled them, the team doesn’t know how to play.

Ken rightly uses the words submissive and underdog, yes but it shouldn’t be a surprise because Ole’s only experience is Molde and Cardiff. His mentality, his tactics likely enhanced by Phelan is don’t lose and isn’t looking innovative.


11.) 11 Dec 2020 10:10:11
Nice one Ken now that's banter very good pal 🤣

I'm struggling for a witty response as I don't read any of your posts because they're normally full of bolloxology 🤣

Have a good weekend mate! You never know Ole might be the messiah again come Saturday night!


12.) 11 Dec 2020 11:03:07
Red Man - I don't think for one second Ole is trying to be innovative I'm not sure it's even in his vocabulary. I completely agree he's trying not to lose.

I actually think he's a pragmatic manager who talks about attacking football and the traditions of the Club but often contradicts himself with his conservative team selections. I think the players are confused. We're all confused. What is our brand of football?

The point I was trying to make is I think Ole should just stop pretending and deliver his own brand of football.

Whilst Ole is hovering around the top 4 he'll keep his job in my opinion. I think we're stuck with him for the foreseeable future and I have no faith that the board could even appoint his correct successor, although I accept that's not a compelling argument to stick with him.

I'd just like to see some consistency in selection, formation and style. We have seen we are capable of going on winning steaks which normally coincide when Ole sticks to the same team and formation. He's useless at rotation!

Angel - I take my football seriously and I understand my snoozefest's aren't for everyone. No offence taken pal.


13.) 11 Dec 2020 11:18:30
Cheers DLIB. You're a great poster so wouldn't want to offend you mate 👍

In regard to Ole, you seem to think he has brand or style of football, I honestly don't think he has. And I don't think he is capable of finding one either. That's after 2 years of watching us and also watching him at Cardiff, he was abysmal. I think he likes to think he has this exciting brand of football in his head and how it should be played but he is unable to implement it.

I think we have been blessed with a number of incredible individuals, namely Bruno who has been unplayable at times. He has literally dragged us through numerous games.

We won't see real consistency in our play because we haven't a good coach.


14.) 11 Dec 2020 12:58:58
Dlib i agree entirely on the point that he should stop chopping and changing so much.
The last 4 wins were petty ugly but they were wins sadly that gets undone by 3 cl defeats and elimination.
If we beat city we will be in a great position going into Christmas lose and we are playing catch up and the pressure mounts with each match.
I think we can win on sunday. Its clear city are not the force they once were well at least not as regularly. I just don't know how he will approach this match.
Its just as likely that city have a great day and we lose.
Is a draw a good result? Not a great one but not a bad one either.
Result first performance second just now stay in and around 5 points off the top spot through to mid jan and that would bee a good result. Draws against sides like city or Liverpool means we are not losing ground.
Over the next 10 or 12 games you will see the who will compete for the title. I think its a very open 6 horse race at the moment. 1n 12 games time will all 6 still be in contention?
Im really hoping so it would be great to be in the mix with 12 games to go.


15.) 11 Dec 2020 15:23:05
I think given the way this season will likely pan out, the best way is to have one specific set up with your ideal first 11 and go with that every week in the league. Have the same set up and the same tactics. The issue with this season being compressed is that you will have little to no time to work on individual systems and plans for every game.

Then use your squad players in the cups and find a system that gets the best out of them. Then stick with that.

One team for the league and one for the cups, then the only time there is any mixing is to cover for injuries and suspensions.


 

 

04 Dec 2020 11:36:38
It's never a good sign to have a divided fan base and following every defeat the pressure on our beleaguered manager intensifies.

Ole is continually fighting fires and he finds himself in charge of a Club on the brink of civil war.

Some will not forgive the decision to withdraw Fred and use this as an example of his sheer incompetence and neglect. A manager that can't even react to the obvious as it unfolds before his eyes.

Of course this mindset ignores the brilliance of Neymar or the wastefulness of Martial. At the highest level football is always decided by the finest of margins. The truth can often be subtle and for a 10-15 period either side of HT the chance was there to blow PSG away. Fernandes misplaced an easy pass to play in Cavani for a tap in on the stroke of HT and Martial missed two easy chances to put us in control. In the big moments, in the big games, the big players must deliver. These were not half chances but easy opportunities that you would expect most professionals to convert.

Ole confounded these mistakes by not reacting to the PSG change in shape or withdrawing Fred who was walking a disciplinary tight rope! Mistakes on the pitch and on the sidelines is never a recipe for success and PSG can think themselves lucky for some hopeless finishing and naive management.

When I analyse Utd I see a squad riddled with inconsistent players all capable of making terrible individual mistakes at any given moment led by an inexperienced manager often lacking the courage of his own convictions.

I also see a squad brimming with promise and talent. Players genuinely capable of producing moments of brilliance and playing some thrilling and exciting football.

The problem is a winning team cannot be brilliant one moment and hapless the next. A winning team cannot have a CB pairing that daren't be left exposed or incapable of defending in 1v1 situations. A winning team cannot have attacking players that blow hot and cold or a manager that still hasn't settled on a formation or style of play.

I don't think anyone could reliably predict the fortunes of Manchester United at the moment. We are a team both capable of going on a winning run or a team equally capable of enduring long periods without winning.

Has there been progression or stagnation I'm not sure but the consistent inconsistency looks set to continue and the debate rages on!

DLIB

1.) 04 Dec 2020 12:08:57
Win on saturday and a result on tuesday will calm everyone down.

Tuesday can't be overstated how big a game it is, going back into the europa league will rightly show the lack of progress that is being made under ole. Combine that with no clear style of play, i could see our season petering out like 15/ 16 and 18/ 19 did.

Fact is no one can argue that this squad is not good enough to make the knockout stages of the champions league and be in the top 4 of the premier league.


2.) 04 Dec 2020 12:24:36
How is that a fact DSG? We absolutely should be good enough to finish 4th and play last 16/ QFs.


3.) 04 Dec 2020 12:30:57
DLIB

I think this is the most divided I have ever known the fan base in over 50 years of supporting. There have always been disagreements over managers and players. I remember debating about OFarrell, being gutted about the Doc, about Sexton and even Atkinson, but this is far worse.

The issue here is emotion, the manager has stirred massive emotion in some, he is a hero. I was behind that goal in 99 and still regard him as a playing hero, however, because of that emotional tie, people are taking extreme entrenched positions. There is no logic to defending poor decisions, yet it is done.

The division will continue until Ole is either sacked or succeeds, the frustration will grow yet.


4.) 04 Dec 2020 12:37:40
Its odd how reactive we all are. When the group was pulled if we looked at it we saw the top team in France and one of the top teams in Germany along with the Turkish champions.

I think most of us at that point thought it quite possible for us to finish 3rd in the group behind PSG and RB Leipzig.

Yet now if that happens it would be seen as a disaster only because with one game to go we have it in our own hands to finish top of the group.

The situation changes and so do our opinions on the situation.

Personally in this season I'd rather finish 4th than 3rd in the UCL group. A packed season of two games a week with little to no pre-season stuck playing Europa League football puts us at a huge disadvantage in the league.

For me I'd rather be in the UCL or nothing and focus on the league and domestic cups.

Ole made a mistake in not taking Fred off last night.

The ref made a bigger mistake in both not sending him off in the first half, and then sending him off in the second for a fair tackle.

While the players made several individual mistakes both in defence and in attack.

As pointed out, Telles and Maguire lost their man in the lead up to the first goal. McTominay and Maguire lost them for Marquinhos's goal. Then Maguire lost his man for the third time for the third goal. All three taps in due to poor defending.

While Bruno picked the wrong pass for what would have been a clear goal for Cavani and Martial missed two almost sitters.

While some proclaim this group of players good enough to win the league, I have serious reservations over the consistency of these players. We have some fantastic promise in some players. But they are as likely to fluff their lines as they are to blow the opposition away. As we have seen in the UCL this season, impressive wins against PSG and Leipzig, and silly errors leading to defeats to PSG and Istanbul.


5.) 04 Dec 2020 12:39:26
Great post DLIB. The truth is usually somewhere in the middle. My feeling is that Ole is not the man long term but he has done a really good job in remoulding the squad and at least attempting to give us some identity. We should be grateful for his commitment to this project. It's not going to happen but in an ideal world he would realise he's not quite ready to take us to the next level, step aside for someone who is and then, perhaps, come back to us in a decade or so when he's been elsewhere and earned his stripes. I'm dreaming of course, he'll continue to get out of jail when his job is threatened, cling onto his job for another six months then be sacked acrimoniously at the end of the season.


6.) 04 Dec 2020 12:39:26
DLIB,

Very good post mate and I agree with all of it, it is great to see some balance on here as I think it is needed rather than the sniping at each other.

Not sure I have seen it mentioned on here but there is a lot of confirmation bias within the fan base at the moment, people waiting for the manager to make the mistake so they can jump on to other people and say they were correct, he made a mistake with the Fred thing so he is a terrible manager etc. There is also the same thing happening the other way when we win a game, people choosing to ignore the mistakes to say 'well we are 5 points off the top with a game in hand so he must be doing ok'. Both are valid points and 2 very different sides to an argument between people who at the end of the day all want the same thing, and that is success for the club. We wouldn't be on here arguing if we didn't care that's for sure.

DSG,

I do think you underestimate how deep the 'hatred' of Ole is in some quarters if you think a couple of wins will calm people down, many have made their mind up that he is useless and that we are going backwards, if we win both games it will be because West Ham played badly and because Upamecano was missing for RB, just the way it is on here now. I put the work hatred in speech marks as I am not sure it is that, just a deep disappointment that he is our manager.


7.) 04 Dec 2020 12:49:40
SO72,

That is exactly what DSG said mate.


8.) 04 Dec 2020 13:52:46
GDS, no 'hated' from me. I just think Solksjaer is too inexperienced to be manager at a club the size of Man Utd, especially in the mess the club is in.

Moreover, I am fed up of defensively minded managers. It's been 8 years now and although the football under Solksjaer is better than it has been under previous managers, his instincts are too conservative.

Also the obvious lack of improvement of players both individually and as a unit, inappropriate team selection, poor tactics, and the terrible in game management tell me that he is not the man for the job.


9.) 04 Dec 2020 14:37:17
Manc man hatred is a word gds uses regularly for sensational affect. He even states in his own post that's it probably not hated so inn not sure what reason he has for using the word unless its just sensationalism
I don't know if anybody hates ole at all.
He us not the sort of bloke people hate. Trying hard doing his best.
Shappy psg missed better chances than we did what would the scour have been if both teams converted all their chances. Your stance on this game is pathetic and imo costing you credibility because there is simply no objectivity in your one sided biased view. Honestly mate laughable stance on this laughable and completely deluded imo.


10.) 04 Dec 2020 16:15:47
ken,

Give it a rest, I knew you would come on saying that, that's why I clarified and why i put it in inverted commas, pre-empted the bolloxology.

My point is that people have made their mind up so far one way that it will take more than a couple of decent away results to change people's minds, do you disagree old pal?


11.) 04 Dec 2020 16:22:01
Its seems everyone is entitled to an opinion . Unless its the wrong one.


12.) 04 Dec 2020 16:42:26
Imo he is taking crap jred. Have you an issue with that. He is entitled to his opinion i'm entitled to disagree.


13.) 04 Dec 2020 17:30:43
Ken
The irony of the above, its comedy gold as always.
Reading the page today, the hypocrisy is fantastic.


14.) 04 Dec 2020 17:54:35
Ken, if we win the next 2 games do you think the people who hate Ole being in charge of our club and think he is ‘ruining everything United stand for’ will back off? I don’t.


15.) 04 Dec 2020 18:17:04
Hypocrisy does run rife on this site alright jred 🤣

No they won't GDS, minds have been made up in regards to Ole, I think we just want to see a competent coach in charge. Until then though, I'll just enjoy or not enjoy the rollercoaster.


16.) 04 Dec 2020 18:40:42
Ole's at the wheel 😉.


17.) 04 Dec 2020 21:40:48
Its an interesting question gds2.
I posted after we won 3 games in a row that ole has the chance to change opinion. If he wins 4 or 5 on the bounce it does by credit for a slip or defeat. Getting results just now is vital win 6 on the spin and your in the mix because even Liverpool and city are dropping unexpected points.
I posted that we played well against psg and gave credit to ole after southamton and Everton wins for making good subs and good decisions.
Imo his decisions cost us i didn't slate the players or the performance.
3 or 4 decisions i found odd and they didn't work so the fault lies with him.
Yes martial missed a couple of sitters and we hit the bar but so did they. That happens in every game. So for some of the arguments to suggest if we had taken our chances we would have won can be said for psg too. In fact they would have won by more if we both had taken all our chances.
Ive not been criticle of the team I've been criticle of what i consider to be arguments made that are more bias and blinkered than a paddy cerand match commentary.
Most of the players against psg played write well.
I don't like martial as you know but he did get into 2 great goal scoring positions from wide areas but he is just it out form in front of goal.
Shappy and i are mates if i think he is writing crap ill tell him as he does to me when he feels i do. Some of his arguments today were off the charts today imo😂 I actually thought he was on a wind up at one point.


18.) 05 Dec 2020 01:13:10
I agree with that whole post Ken strangely enough. Genuinely nothing on disagree with.

Oh I do miss Paddy on the commentary though, just wish he reffed some of our games, we would have had 12 penalties a game.


 

 

03 Dec 2020 01:55:25
We've been here before.

In a Europa League semi final only a few months previously we squandered chance after chance and were predictably punished.

Poor finishing and defensive fragility yet again saw us lose a game we had at our mercy.

Largely forgotten Fernandes had an easy pass to Cavani for a tap in on the stroke of HT and Martial missed two sitters to put us in control. I'm not picking on those two players it could easily have been Rashford missing those chances or mis placing the pass. Whilst we have some exciting attackers capable of playing some thrilling football you're never really sure what you're going to get from one moment to the next.

Noting much has changed. This is a team capable of playing some beautiful football but too often falls short at both ends of the pitch. Mistakes at the back are still a regular occurrence and poor decision making, a lack of composure and a failure to convert presentable chances still happens with alarming regularity making this team consistently inconsistent.

Even on Sunday easy chances were squandered and mistakes made at the back in what made for a thrilling game.

In many respects we can take some solace from the Sevilla and PSG performances. In both games we played some great football and created brilliant chances against two very good teams. If we played in that manner every week we'd win the vast majority of our matches with ease.

Unfortunately it's the Crystal Palace, Brighton, Arsenal, Istanbul, WBA type of performances which frustrate the most. At times we resemble a pub team and sometimes have little choice but to question the direction of the team.

Tonight was disappointing but when the dust settles if we end up back in the Europa League it was the calamity of Istanbul that will be our undoing. After putting ourselves in a commanding position that performance was simply not good enough for a team that wants to operate at the highest level. PSG and Leipzig are both very good teams and this was always going to be a very difficult group. The hard work had been done and if we don't progress it will be because we were the ones that couldn't beat Istanbul.

On a positive note if we do end up back in the Europa it's another opportunity to secure Champions League football and ironically may just keep Ole in a job! What a frightening prospect that is for some!

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1.) 03 Dec 2020 07:06:06
Nothing about the tactics or poor managerial decisions DLIB?


2.) 03 Dec 2020 07:35:45
Good post DLIB, atelast better than the managerial decision of keeping Fred on.


 

 

 

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03 Sep 2020 12:36:10
Was Donny VDB not also touted as a Pogba replacement?

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25 Aug 2020 19:43:57
Well Pep can't win the Champions League without him!

I'd be amazed if he left Barcelona but at 33 maybe now is the time for a new challenge! I hope he moves would love to see him at another Club.

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22 Aug 2020 21:05:00
Gifting ageing players big long term contracts is a recipe for disaster.

He might be worth a gamble on loan or a rolling one year contract but otherwise we should steer well clear in my opinion. His form hasn't been anywhere near good enough to warrant signing him on a long term deal and as he ages it's unlikely to improve. A move like this would reek of desperation and a return to the flawed transfer strategy of the past. I'd include Douglas Costa in that bracket and we must resist the temptation to get lured into these types of deals.

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04 Aug 2020 14:15:53
With Jones, Bailly and Tuanzebe perpetually injured maybe there is still a place for Smalling at Old Trafford. If Utd don't intend to sign another CB this summer then keeping Smalling might not be such a bad idea.

Could he make a decent partner for Maguire? He's certainly stronger, quicker and better in the air than Lindelof, watching him play out from the back however, especially under pressure might need to come with a health warning!

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Fair play to Woodward if he gets €15m for Sanchez. I'm sure most of us would have accepted a slice of pizza and a Limoncello!

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19 Jan 2021 11:49:57
Ken - I thinks that’s a really fair and sensible post from an Ole sceptic.

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19 Jan 2021 11:03:09
The RW position should have been addressed years ago. We don’t have a single player in our squad that is natural or comfortable in that position. Maybe Diallo but he’s an 18 year old kid with no experience of first team football.

We must not forget a disastrous summer window where Ole got none of his first choice signings.

The Cavani deal clearly wasn’t planned and was a desperate last minute deal. He’s done ok, added depth to the squad but is not first choice.

I have no idea behind the VdB signing. The cynic in me thinks he was a cheaper alternative to Grealish but they are totally different players and obviously not what Ole wanted. In many ways his arrival has caused more problems than solutions. Maybe he’ll fulfil Pogba’s role when he eventually leaves in the summer? His signing smacks of very good player available at a decent price with negotiations facilitated by a Utd legend. There doesn’t appear to be any consideration to what type of player he is or where he was going to play. He might yet be a success but he’s never going to play regularly at No10 ahead of Bruno and I’m not convinced Ole wants to use him in the double pivot!

Telles has provided good competition for Shaw but is obviously not first choice.

The two young kids Pellestri and Diallo I class as development players not ready for the first team and may never even make the jump to first team football.

Ole entered this season without adequate backing and none of the summer signings can be considered first choice. Cavani, VdB and Telles have added depth to the squad but not improved the starting 11!

I think it’s incredible we sit top of the league and we shouldn’t forgot the failed Sancho pursuit after making him our top priority and the chaos that followed!

Ole may inevitably fall short but we also have an incompetent board making crucial footballing decisions without the necessary knowledge, expertise or experience.

I’m going to enjoy this moment whilst it’s last cause it might be short lived.

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18 Jan 2021 15:35:27
AJH- I completely agree it’s really difficult to decipher if this Utd team is over achieving and simply on a good run of form or genuine title contenders.

I think it’s our style that perhaps makes us question our credentials the most. There is no doubt we play better in transition or on the counter attack and whilst Fernandes has been brilliant he does give the ball away a lot meaning we often surrender possession and rarely sustain our attacks.

Lindelof and Maguire lack pace and struggle in 1v1 situations therefore we defend deeper and try not to leave them exposed. This means we can’t press effectively and struggle to win the ball back in dangerous areas higher up the pitch.

We still haven’t addressed the RW position and in midfield Mctominay and Fred can lack quality on the ball.

I think Ole has the players to change the narrative but being more progressive can also make us more vulnerable at the back. He hasn’t yet found the right balance but at the moment we find ourselves top of the league so there is little incentive to change.

Ole could have played Bailly yesterday and pushed us higher up the pitch. Pogba could have partnered Fred in midfield with Rashford, Martial and Cavani upfront, with Bruno at No 10. That front 6 are all capable of playing on the front foot and pressing the opposition. I think that team would have scored and been better equipped to expose Liverpool’s inexperience at CB but maybe we’d have been more vulnerable at the back.

In my opinion I’d love to see us play higher up the pitch and aggressively press the opposition. I’d like us to win the ball back higher where I think we’d be dangerous playing in the transitions. It would also help us to dominate games and sustain attacks by not conceding territory to the opposition and allowing them comfortable possession of the ball.

I think Ole can be too cautious and pragmatic on occasions but I think it mainly stems from over protecting a very slow CB pairing and not trusting Pogba to play in the midfield pivot especially against the better teams. Our forwards can still be inconsistent and frustrating at times although this is gradually improving.

It will be interesting to see how the team evolves and if the style of play changes as new players arrive.

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Good post mate.

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14 Jan 2021 19:04:51
Red man - Fair enough pal I just thought he deserved to be defended after some of the comments.

I know I can go on a bit for which I apologise I didn’t want to turn it into a crusade maybe I got a bit carried away!

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