01 Feb 2021 15:59:43
Ole trying to vindicate his failings related to the Sheffield Utd game by revealing the referee (or associate of) admitted to the mistakes that allowed their goal and disallowed Maguire’s header.

While undeniable, this demonstrates just how fragile our results are, and that Ole struggles to get many without a smackering of good fortune. He just needs to shut up, and get back to the Dummies Guide to being a Premuer League Football Manager. Clearly only getting through chapter two is not enough.

1.) 01 Feb 2021
01 Feb 2021 16:10:36
Ok Ole isn't doing as well as we would like but the disrespect from some is absolutely abhorrent.

2.) 01 Feb 2021
01 Feb 2021 16:36:29
Respect has to be earned.

3.) 01 Feb 2021
01 Feb 2021 16:58:43
GDS, The internet is full of keyboard warriors. You watch how all the "Ole Outers" would be falling over themselves and brown nosing Ole if they ever met him in person. It's actually quite funny.

4.) 01 Feb 2021
01 Feb 2021 17:16:26
Badreddevil, I totally disagree. I’m not an ole fan. One of the reasons he frustrated me is he’s too quiet on the sidelines. I applaud him for this!

A couple of weeks ago Klopp came out and said the referees are favouring us too much (I’m paraphrasing here) and since then we have so many decisions go against us.

Maguires header versus Burnley, Fred’s penalty vs Fulham, and both decisions vs Sheffield United. I’m glad ole has come out and said something. Does that excuse losing to shef United, no, but the decisions were wrong and I want my manager speak up.

5.) 01 Feb 2021
01 Feb 2021 17:23:33
That’s really not called for. Sensible debate, different views, arguments, they’re all fair game. Resorting to childish name calling is exactly that, childish.

6.) 01 Feb 2021
01 Feb 2021 17:49:13
Its a reference to a book. It does not make him a dummy, which was not the intention. It was a metaphor for his ability as a coach. Maybe some of the sensitive wokes on here could suggest a more apt book for me to reference. Honestly, get a grip people.

7.) 01 Feb 2021
01 Feb 2021 18:36:45
Shappy, i'd sack Ole in a heartbeat, but that doesn't mean if I saw him in the street I'm going to give him rubbish because he's not a good football manager.

Not one poster on here wishes the man any harm or malice.

Youre blurring the lines now to anyone who wants him out must mean they hate him. Absolute nonsense. This is the exact stunt Ed Woodward pulled with the help of our new PR guru from the Sun. They sent "thugs" to his house to get sympathy for him. Anyone calling for Woodward to be sacked must also want to attack his family. Nonsense.

I simply think Man Utd should have a better manager in Charge. Simple.

8.) 01 Feb 2021
01 Feb 2021 19:14:44
My word people are sensitive! No name calling there from the OP, but I do think ole was right to highlight it as we seem to be getting decisions going against us the last few games.

The thing that's really bugged me even over the unbeaten run is we never looked convincing and even though we were doing well it didn't feel like we'd gelled properly.

Still a long way to go and for me we have a squad that should be really challenging come the seasons end.

9.) 01 Feb 2021
01 Feb 2021 20:05:11
Agreed Mumbles but I will go further and say I simply think Man Utd should have a better manager in charge because the current one is obviously a bit stupid.

Disrespectful? Maybe, but what has Solksjaer done for me to respect him as a football manager or to demonstrate he has much intelligence, especially when it comes to footballing matters? He's actually achieved the exact opposite.

10.) 01 Feb 2021
01 Feb 2021 20:54:57
This is another example of where the debate about the manager is tainted by who he is. It is all shrouded in utter emotion, both ways. I have utter respect for Ole the player, but he has not earned anything as manager. This is why everything is so volatile on here, emotion, we can’t be objective about Ole because it degenerates into name calling. The only reason for that is his playing status.

There is a big divide and it will only change if Ole succeeds big or gets sacked, maybe then we can stop the insults. Don’t get me wrong, there will be disagreements but the level of emotion will be a notch or two down, in fact I have often thought it would be nice to have a highly respected non emotional choice as manager and can discuss issues without it descending into bickering over how we should support him.

11.) 01 Feb 2021
01 Feb 2021 23:30:40
@Shappy

“ GDS, The internet is full of keyboard warriors. You watch how all the "Ole Outers" would be falling over themselves and brown nosing Ole if they ever met him in person. It's actually quite funny. ”

Really. I can assure you that I’d have no problem sharing my thoughts on his skill set and suitability for the job. How was this was disrespectful. Don’t be so sensitive. The guy is underachieving in terms of player management and development. His team selections and player loyalties are mind-boggling. No discernible tactics. Way too defensive. Poor substitutions. There’s just so much to be concerned about. We’re out of the CL due to his game management. Continue to lose semi-finals.

Given that context, why and how was I disrespectful?

12.) 02 Feb 2021
02 Feb 2021 01:36:45
Great job redman, bring it back to his cv before he joined. But he hasn't only just joined has he? He's been here over a year and his record over that time stacks up pretty well compared to any other epl team.

Here we are again. Lose a game, this time twice in a week and the silly brigade is out again.

13.) 02 Feb 2021
02 Feb 2021 06:52:12
Dodgy

Where on Earth did I mention his CV in that post, ihave talked previously about it and it is a poor CV. My post was about how much emotion pours out when anyone dares to criticise or even be objective about Ole. I am fed up with it but it will go on, like I said, probably until Ole wins the league, which I can’t see. A cup didn’t help our last two managers but will no doubt help this one, we know why.

Yes he has been here over two years and his only point of merit is finishing third, scraping in on the last game in a strange season affected by a C.V. in which a long break helped. Record stacks up pretty well? Four times losing semi finalist, losing. Champions league, snatching failure from the jaws of qualification. Compared to other epl teams, almost all have a discernible pattern of play, a plan, over two years and we haven’t.

Yes Ole has overseen some good games and results, maybe we will make top four again, even third. However, we have shown no sign in two years of being able to play against a team that sits back. Is that good enough? For Ole fans likely yes.

14.) 02 Feb 2021
02 Feb 2021 10:54:35
So, first things first Timbo appears to reply as if he is the original poster, so i'd Timbo and BadRedDevil the same person? Hopefully we aren’t having another MAZE situation on here.

Mumbles, I think you’re the one blurring the lines. I never said people would wish Ole harm or malice. Just that they show a lack of respect behind the vail of their computer monitor that they certainly wouldn’t show in person face to face with Ole.

I somehow doubt the OP’er would call Ole stupid and lucky to his face. I actually suspect they would be a little star struck and pander to him.

It’s one thing to say you don’t think Ole has the ability to be the manager of Manchester United, but to call him names and say he is stupid is just childish name calling and if anything says more about the intellectual level of the poster more than who they are talking about.

I’m actually still on the fence about Ole, not that many would believe it. I don’t think he is the right man long term. However, if he can ride out the rough periods while he learns on the job (and surround himself with the right people) then I think he could be a success. He got us to finish third last season when we certainly didn’t have the third best squad in the league. Personally, I think his weakness as a manager comes from his tactical vision. Sadly, the problem is he has Phelan in his ear who in my opinion was the worst and most defensive No.2 Sir Alex ever had. While the other coaches lack experience at the highest level.

MancMan, your reply smacks of misplaced arrogance. To assume you know more about football than people who have played at the highest level and achieved coaching qualifications and learned from some great people with a wealth of experience is naïve at best. You call Ole stupid, but from a position of knowing very little about what Ole is doing or why. Just assumptions that you know better because you got Leyton Orient to the UCL in three seasons on football manager.

Red Man, you might be right that emotion clouds the debate around Ole as our manager. Yet it is those who want him sacked that resort to name calling. So how does that work? Are you suggesting it is your love and affection for Ole that drives you to demean him and call him names via an anonymous internet platform?

BadRedDevil, I’m sorry if you are unable to discern the tactics, maybe reading some of these football manuals you’re such a fan of might help you out. However, you say there is no tactics, but then say we are way too defensive. Both statements cannot be correct. Either we have no tactics or we are playing defensive ones.

How was it disrespectful? Well, I just implied you are stupid, just as your original post implied Ole is. Do you feel disrespected? If so.

15.) 02 Feb 2021
02 Feb 2021 11:55:12
Shappy, I think you need to reel your neck in here. I've resisted taking you on with your weird suggestion that I would be one of those brown nosing Solksjaer if I met him but I think directly insulting other posters is just a bit much. It's not that I'm particularly sensitive but I think we need to stick within some agreed boundaries of how we address each other.

Anyway, I will respond. Firstly I haven't assumed anything. I've explained that I see very little intelligence in the way that Solksjaer manages Utd. We all know what the charge sheet is; it's long and it's damning. When I consider what I see and what the outcomes are, the only conclusion I can reach is that it's the work of someone who isn't very clever. Of course it's just my opinion and I could be completely wrong but I'm entitled to say what I think. Maybe Solksjaer is a very clever chap but he certainly isn't coming over that way to me. Do you see intelligence and wisdom in his footballing decisions? because if you do you haven't really highlighted them in all the time we have been discussing this. I've been open all along to having my mind changed about Solksjaer but all you've basically said in essay upon essay defending Solksjaer is that it could be worse. Is that all you want to see at Manchester Utd? I doubt it.

What I have mainly complained about is the lack of entertainment. TBH I'm less bothered about win, lose or draw. I just want the time (and money) I spend watching Utd to be exciting and worthwhile, not to walk away wishing I could have that two hours of my life back. I am well entitled to resent the fact that our manager (and Solksjaer is the fourth on the bounce) doesn't have the wit or courage to set his teams up to try and win football games in an entertaining way.

Maybe I am arrogant and naïve, maybe my comments are childish, maybe I am also stupid. However, I know s**t football when I see it and I will continue to criticise those who continue to inflict it on us.

Oh, and I don't play football manager.

16.) 02 Feb 2021
02 Feb 2021 11:59:10
And yet here we are, 2nd in the table with the best unbeaten away run of any team ever. What an idiot he is.

17.) 02 Feb 2021
02 Feb 2021 12:18:45
Shappy

You make me laugh, “to say it is those who want him sacked that resort to name calling”. It goes on on both sides yet I don’t recall ever name calling anyone who supports Ole. However, you were telling me about how I was Jose’s love child and how Ole had knocked my drink over in a nightclub or something similar. Please try speaking some sense and stop the immature childish throwaway remarks.

Nothing “drives me to demean Ole and call him names”. Anything I say is factual, he failed, was relegated and sacked by Cardiff, his CV is poor. I support the club, want it to succeed and I comment on what I see and I that is inadequacy in the Manager or coaching I will say so. I separate his playing and managerial career.

18.) 02 Feb 2021
02 Feb 2021 12:23:15
This discussion has descended, yet again, to “Ole is stupid” “No ole is great”. Without actually discussing the original posts premise. I’m an “Ole out” kind of guy but the original post is idiotic. Once again! I applaud the manager for speaking out, that’s what I want him to do, I feel we’ve been far too quiet far too long in regards to some wrong decisions going against us.

@Redman et al what are your thoughts on that, forget everything else.

19.) 02 Feb 2021
02 Feb 2021 12:43:07
Yes AJH and Mourinho got us to 2nd also. Did you like it?

20.) 02 Feb 2021
02 Feb 2021 13:07:15
Monaldo

Firstly I thought the decisions were tight ones that could have gone either way. The first could have been a foul on DDG and the second not a foul by HM. They went against us and there does seem to have been a minute change since Klopp moaned about penalties. To that extent comment on the general issue is expected, I would have been more general in saying that I noticed a change since Klopp made that comment and ask for the Ref association to clarify if it had made any difference. Throwing it back.

To me making out that there was a report suggesting there were two errors does sound like a deflection of the poor result. Let’s be honest we should have been able to overcome that far better than we did regardless of the decisions, we should have been able to easily turn it around. SAF used deflection with referees but the errors story just sounded a bit more of an excuse when we were inadequate. The decisions didn’t leave a load of space in our box enabling them to shoot, the players did that, the players didn’t score, the tactics didn’t work, but somehow blaming the referee is the age old classic. We should have been able to take the game to them and make the decisions irrelevant.

Calling Bad Red Devil’s opinion “abhorrent” is ridiculous, abhorrent is not a word to describe peoples opinion on a football manager. That is one of the reasons for my later comment.

21.) 02 Feb 2021
02 Feb 2021 15:00:57
MancMan

No I don’t like it, I’ve been clear that I don’t enjoy watching us and share many of the frustrations of others. I just get fed up of the simplistic ‘Ole is a crap Manager’ argument. He isn’t a Pep, or a Klopp and it’s highly likely he will be gone before he wins anything, but that doesn’t mean he’s a crap Manager.

He is managing our club and like it or not, things have improved. He is dealing with big egos, has enjoyed some great performances, has sometimes shown creative tactical nous so he is clearly not ‘crap’. I’m not trying to excuse his failings which we have all discussed at length, but the reduction of this debate to name calling is childish.

The players are very inconsistent, we lack urgency and are timid in our approach. We move players out of position to accommodate others, too many are out of form right now, I guess all this sits at Ole’s door. That doesn’t mean we need to reduce the debate to ‘Ole is useless’, when clearly he isn’t,

22.) 02 Feb 2021
02 Feb 2021 18:04:41
Sorry AJH but I think that that's exactly what he is; a crap manager. Also, I don't accept that it is childish to question someone's intelligence, especially when the evidence suggests there is a case for doing so.

However, we have all made our views clear and I think you are right to say that we should try to elevate the level of the debate.

The problem is that I don't expect much is going to change on the pitch, on the training ground or in the dugout so we will just be returning to the same conversation time after time.