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08 May 2015 15:56:18
12 years ago, SAF bought an exciting, pacey winger who very little people knew about. We spent approximately 13 Million. 12 years ago. It completely befuddles me when I hear people complaining about 22 Million being spent on yet another exciting pacey winger, with all the attributes to become a top player. Now before the (overly) obsessed CR7 worshipers (I am one of his biggest fans by the way) start telling me how ridiculous I am to compare Depay to Ronaldo, I am not. I am simply alluding to the fact that, like Depay, Ronaldo was young, pacey, exciting and came with a nice little price tag. It was a risk then (as no one could have know Ronaldo would have been the beast he has become) as it is a risk now with depay, since he will have to get his head down and work hard to achieve his full potential. Given how money is these days in football, that fee is consistent, and his current stats justifies it.
I won't ask anyone to stop being silly about the fee, cause. well it's darn hard to convert a nit picker. PSG was willing to sign him for more, among others. If we had lost out to them, there would be a meltdown and the same nit pickers would be the loudest. There are just those persons who can't sleep well at night unless they complain about something. So yes, I understand.
I look forward to watching this young lad play for us.
{Ed025's Note - good post that bernidre..
1.) 08 May 2015 16:05:18
Also note ronaldo was an unknown 17 yr old. Depay is an established 21 yr old and top scorer. 22 is a very good deal!
2.) 08 May 2015 16:06:31
Thanks Ed025
{Ed025's Note - your welcome mate..
3.) 08 May 2015 16:09:55
Not to mention world cup scorer and young player of the tournament nominee
4.) 08 May 2015 16:59:58
I've had a hard travel day so thought I would pass on some of my usual positivity (I'm a little grumpier than usual today).
Messi won the World Cup player of the tournament, so why do we give credit to Depay being simply nominated for a young player award? It means jack, just like any stats coming out of the Dutch league (or anywhere pretty much), and for those of you saying his goals ratio is good, what about his assists (arguably the major role of a winger)?
Did he do well in the World Cup really? He was pretty much anonymous in the games I watched, the Dutch were generally awful going forward aside from the 5-1 (Depay didn't feature in that one by the way).
He should be good, but is he a missing piece to the jigsaw now or will we have to wait a few years like we always seem to? Is he much better than Januzaj who can't get a kick?
I think the money and hype is not justified, more chance of him being a Nani than a Ronaldo in my view, but I hope to be proven wrong.
5.) 08 May 2015 17:44:13
Beast, who would you get then that you wouldn't moan about?
6.) 08 May 2015 18:02:37
Beast is just raging because signing Depay means it looks like Van Gaal is here to stay for another while and Beast hates Van Gaal and all his works
7.) 08 May 2015 18:19:01
Beast, Laughable. How many world cups have messi had? He hasn't exactly set the tournament on fire. Even he would tell you that he really didn't deserve the player of the tournament award (there are at least two players who did far better).
With that said, Depay's stats don't mean jack to you simply because you don't want them to. That's ok, you are entitled to your opinion. However, stats are what players are judged on, because it's their performances that will generate those stats. Also, goals wins games. whether you are scoring or assisting them. If he scores 21 in 28 lg games and assts 4, then it is consistent with the fact that he is the top scorer. Not rocket science to be fair.
Will he be better than Adnan (who can't get a kick)? Will he develop like Ronaldo (who did get a kick) or will he be frustrating like Nani? You want a now answer? Want to know what will happen in three seasons? How about we watch and see? Since there is nothing (for me) to suggest he will be as good as Ronaldo or (for you) as frustrating as Nani. Either that or we can just be Gods and dtermine what he will be able to achieve and what level he will never be. thus rendering his price tag unjustified.
8.) 08 May 2015 18:16:57
You usually are
9.) 08 May 2015 18:25:50
Bilko - It definitely is a major thing to do with my current rage. The Klippity Klop noises I was hearing are now almost vanished, there is no way this deal would be sanctioned if my suspicions and hopes were going to be true, probable Janmaat and Dejong next followed by Strootman after he has a few games. Gutted.
I am pleased we signed Depay as we need pace, but this overspending on players is going to come back to haunt us. There will be a gem that we miss out on because of FFP and then we will start moaning about all these extra millions we have spent needlessly.
Fresh - I find it hard to get excited about any signing when it won't make a difference to the way we play, but I will stop banging my head against a brick wall now as I think it's time to face the truth that we are stuck with clowndog for a few more years or until somebody with power at the club see's sense.
No point bursting everyones bubble, so I will jump back on the Fonzy bus.
{Ed025's Note - you are a bundle of fun beast.. :)
10.) 08 May 2015 18:37:21
Bernidre - Maybe I didn't make my point about Messi too clear as you got the wrong end of the stick mate.
I was saying for Messi to have won that award it shows the awards mean nothing. Everyone knows Messi didn't deserve it so the people picking were either clueless or God knows what, hence we can't with the other hand praise Depay on account of him being nominated for a young player award as arguably even less qualified judges were making that decision - the whole award thing during the WC was a joke!
Stats are pointless. How has Di Maria played this season, yet he has great assist stats? How many strikers have scored more than ours, but would you have them over ours? It's a team game mate, stats mean next to nothing - the game is free flowing and far more important things happen than who's backside it hit before dropping at a strikers foot to score.
{Ed025's Note - beast...do you actually enjoy footy mate?...it seems to make you awfully grumpy fella...on your gravestone it will probably say..."who the f*** are you looking at!"..
11.) 08 May 2015 19:02:27
Beast,
You are like a caracature of yourself, hilarious.
12.) 08 May 2015 19:05:42
Beast, the lad is 21 years of age and has scored the highest number of goals in the Dutch league playing off the wing.
He was wanted by a number of top clubs because he is an exciting young player player who has a lot of talent. If we never paid the money, someone else would of, and we would have lost out on a player who could be world class in a few years.
13.) 08 May 2015 19:06:29
"here lies beast, had a heart attack screaming at the tv during uniteds match "
{Ed025's Note - watched over by an angel..di maria.. :)
14.) 08 May 2015 19:18:57
Oh sorry mate I think I completely misunderstood the messi point, and I now see the bigger point you were making. Point taken, stats can be iffy, but I can't agree that they are pointless.
In any event, I'm very well pleased at the moment with our first signing, and look forward to some awesome stats for the new season. :)
15.) 08 May 2015 19:30:07
Haha Ed25 - quality line. Mr's Beast agrees with you whole heartedly!
I'm just really frustrated with football at the minute for a few reasons:
1 - I can't stand our manager for the first time, it's a horrible position to be in and new for me, (I actually liked Moyes as his heart was in the right place, this guy doesn't seem to have one).
2 - I spend a lot of time traveling and bend over backwards trying to watch games, I end up mightily disappointed afterwards 99% of the time.
3 - A player can have 10 bad performances on the spin, play well the 11th game and they are the best thing since sliced bread. It does my nut in how fickle people are, just because somebody in the media says something that becomes almost law to a lot of fans.
4 - Players, Players, Players - for the most part they are treated like Gods and act like children on the pitch, diving, spitting, screaming about tackles that barely touch them. Many of them spend far too long on the treatment table and after a few good games they expect to have their wages doubled!
5 - Refs, a lot of them are more bothered about getting on camera and building their profile than reffing a game - especially Dowd.
6 - Managers, liars and try too many mind games treating the supporters as though we are stupid. This election campaign was so frustrating because they couldn't answer simple questions, it was like watching interviews with managers, we listen to robots.
7 - Too many teams are setting out not to get beat, I find it so difficult to get excited as I know 9/10 times how the flow of the game will go, the sport is losing it's passion.
Aside from that I love football and especially our club. I just don't like what is happening and the direction everything is heading. I just want to give it a big shake and change the trajectory.
I'm actually a really happy person and lucky not to have too many troubles. I suppose that's why the one major thing irking me in life (Utd turning into something I don't like because of LVG) is really exaggerated.
Sorry if I'm being a bit of a downer guys. I just feel like the guy in a mental asylum that shouldn't be there at times, and nobody will listen, I read 1984 the other day and it feels a bit like that.
{Ed025's Note - very good explanation there beast, i know it can be very frustrating mate but you have to learn to ride with it, you dont want to turn into a victor meldrew clone...or do you?.. :)
16.) 08 May 2015 19:44:18
Nice one Bernidre. I hope we get all our business done early so the gaffer can spend as much time a possible getting his message across pre-season, I get the impression just one player not in synch corrupts the whole plan.
17.) 08 May 2015 19:49:48
beast
thats my favourite post of the year
18.) 08 May 2015 19:50:55
Sure don't Ed and cheers, but "I don't believe it" will happen. I'll get my coat!
{Ed025's Note - love it beast..
19.) 08 May 2015 21:23:53
I agree with jred, that is probably the best post I've read all year Beast. Agreed with everything!
05 Sep 2013 15:21:05
So the window has closed and everyone has something to take away. I too was really disappointed, but I really believe we are stronger in the middle. So we didn't sign any so called world class players, but I strongly believe that we can push on with what we have. So what if some teams signed 4 or 5 top players? Fact is only 11 can be played at a time. Cardiff showed that to city recently. The important thing is for moyes to get the boys to gel as a team. Know each other's game. Get the tactics right. We have good players and awesome young talent. I hope DM start playing Kagawa soon and the next time he thinks about playing young, play Zaha. He definately cannot do worse. Infact, I think he is currently the best of the widemen we have and just needs his chance.
1.) With the right selection, we have the best team in the league, and a team that can compete in Europe, IMO. A lot depends on how we evolve over the coming months, and what type of philosophy Moyes' will try and install in the players'.
I personally think Fellaini is one of the best all round CM there is. He ticks so many box's; and anyone who has seen more than a few fleeting clips of the guy will know he can also play football. He is very technically gifted. He also has a phenomenal engine, and will be able to get up and down the pitch – contributing to all phases of play.
His performance against us last season was one of the best individual performances I have ever seen in a football match. He was unplayable. If he can give us that sort of impact on a regular basis – added to the quality we already have, we will be more than alright this season.
27 May 2013 22:53:41
I love this site. I love the banter, but it completely does my head in when I see real silly posts. I have been watching Zaha since he turned our midfield and defence inside out about two years ago. He has all that is needed to be a top player. He is quick, strong, skills galore and full of CONFIDENCE. Is he the finished/polished player? No. But he will get there, as he continues to improve season after season. It is stupid to compare him to CR7, as even he, at 20, was raw and frustrating. But you know what's even more frustrating? When people suggest that he isn't ready for the premiere league. How stupid is that? He is playing better than many of those now in the league. Seriously? I Wish our wingers were on his kinda form this season. We tend to underestimate and put players down because they are in a lower league. That's part of the reason he single handedly over ran our mid/defense few years back.
I have no doubt that this lad will prove to be the real deal and will bring much needed excitement to our play. Similar to what Ronnie did. Now I am not comparing him to Ronaldo, and I don't want him to become the new Ronaldo. I want him to be Zaha, his own man, a top player for MUFC.
1.) Heare heare ronaldo wsnt the finished article but he was given a chance at a young age if you look at the 92 class if you're good enough you play what do you want them all to leave like pogba I was brought up wiyh docherts team and would rather see our team play with flair and excitment and win nothing than play like mourino is going to once you get the lead sit on it a red united fan
2.) He'll be a very good player. But needs to work on his crossing, shooting, and decision making.
3.) Some players continue developing, especially with their decision-making (Ronaldo) and some players stop developing and never are able to make the right decision and produce the right pass (Nani). Physical ability based, Nani is probably a top 5 player in the world. In reality, he can't get more than a match a month for United. It's a crapshoot, there's no way to know who's going to take that next step and who's going to plateau. Zaha seems to be loved by his coaches and teammates, as well as the fans, so we can hope that having a good attitude and personality can make his development to an elite level more likely.
23 Apr 2013 22:07:05
Barcelona travelled all the way to Germany four nothing. Why did they rest Messi tonight? And who was that new player in the #10 shirt?
1.) Really? Could you be bothered
26 Feb 2013 18:05:25
It's funny, even I am a very guilty person. Of what? Revering someone so much that no matter how good someone else has become, they will never be as good as that person that I think is so awesome. I felt that no one would ever be nearly as good as Michael Jordan, singer as talented as Michael Jackson and no footballer as great as Pele. Truth is, sometimes we need to let go of the biases that we hold so dear. Bale is an awesome player. He may not have been playing at his current level as early as Ronaldo and Messi, but the important thing is he is doing it now. Who is to determine that he will never be able to match those two? As far as I am concerned, some of us are too in love with Ronaldo (I love him too, mind) that we will never give Bale any credit, no matter how good he becomes. He will never be as good as our precious Ronaldo. So he doesn't score as much as Ronaldo? Funny how Ronaldo always played for top teams, both at UTD and Madrid, yet Bale plays for. SPURS. and has scored double digits. There was a time when he couldn't even get in the lineup unless someone was injured, now he carries the team all by his lonesome. He is currently the best winger in the BPL. However, if Bale scores, a hundred goals per season going forward, he will still not be at the 'level' because he didn't get the hair gel right.
Bernidre
1.) Completely agree, endless comparisons are somewhat futile. I think Bale is stunning right now and if we were looking for people to improve us, I think he would. I don't accept the purple patch theory, every time I have seen him he has been quality, just lately he has been exceptional. Ok he might never be as good as Tonaldo, but then who will be? Sadly, I think he is out of our reach.
2.) I'd agree with that. I do think most people are finally coming round to his talent now though. If you go back just 6 or 12 months some of the negative posts towards him were incredible.
3.) Is suarez as good as messi or ronaldo?
he plays for a team worse than spurs yet nobody think he's as good as those two.
this bale love fest is getting boring.
yeah he's a good young talent but he is nowhere near messi or ronaldo.
4.) Wots bale got to do with ronaldo?
The media put this lazy journo junk out because they can't write a decent column to save there lives.
My point is I do rate bale and think he has amazing potential but I disagree with notion he is anywhere near the standards of a Ronaldo, messi, iniesta Falcao or RVP etc for me these players are on another level,.
For me bale sits in the bracket of a Mata, Silva, Rooney etc, but could move up if he continues with his recent progression and gains consistency of that level too.
Would I like to have him at UTD, yes! Do I want my club to run to Levy on the back of 6 or so amazing games of late and get totally took the pi$$ out of with him wanting crazy money? No!
With the money spurs would demand we could go out and buy strootman, bender and Modric which I think would fill far more needed gaps in our team than bale would.
Which brings me to my last point do we really need Bale? Imo no, not if that means the players I have mentioned are missed out on to get him.
God I'm grumpy today sorry lol
5.) What a load of rubbish. Bale is not on the level of Ronaldo because he is not as good as Ronaldo. It's that simple. That's not to say he won't go on to be better, as none of us know the future, but to belittle those who don't put Bale at the same standard as Ronaldo is, quite frankly, sad. When you compare the 2 players directly in terms of attributes, Ronaldo has more to his game than Bale does at present. Perhaps you should jump off the bandwagon and look at things from a realistic point of view.
TK-Red
6.) Bale is not in the same league as messi and ronaldo but how many have been in the history of the game
I agree some of the criticism on here has been daft imo if he was called Lucas or Rodriguez and people had only seen clips of him on u tube I have the feeling some people's opinions on him may of been different
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09 May 2015 22:26:56
We have been so lucky? rohanarora, every team has gotten some form of luck, whether good or bad. You make it seem as tho we are the only team that gets the rub of the green sometimes. what about the many times when we were just unlucky to score? forgot those? Y'all need to calm down.
We are very lucky that the likes of you are not manager material, as we would have a new team after every bad (oh we won today) result.
08 May 2015 19:18:57
Oh sorry mate I think I completely misunderstood the messi point, and I now see the bigger point you were making. Point taken, stats can be iffy, but I can't agree that they are pointless.
In any event, I'm very well pleased at the moment with our first signing, and look forward to some awesome stats for the new season. :)
08 May 2015 18:19:01
Beast, Laughable. How many world cups have messi had? He hasn't exactly set the tournament on fire. Even he would tell you that he really didn't deserve the player of the tournament award (there are at least two players who did far better).
With that said, Depay's stats don't mean jack to you simply because you don't want them to. That's ok, you are entitled to your opinion. However, stats are what players are judged on, because it's their performances that will generate those stats. Also, goals wins games. whether you are scoring or assisting them. If he scores 21 in 28 lg games and assts 4, then it is consistent with the fact that he is the top scorer. Not rocket science to be fair.
Will he be better than Adnan (who can't get a kick)? Will he develop like Ronaldo (who did get a kick) or will he be frustrating like Nani? You want a now answer? Want to know what will happen in three seasons? How about we watch and see? Since there is nothing (for me) to suggest he will be as good as Ronaldo or (for you) as frustrating as Nani. Either that or we can just be Gods and dtermine what he will be able to achieve and what level he will never be. thus rendering his price tag unjustified.
08 May 2015 16:06:31
Thanks Ed025
{Ed025's Note - your welcome mate..
26 Mar 2015 19:19:19
In life, expectations (unfortunately) are not always met. For whatever reason. What is important is that you learn from your mistakes and pick up the pieces. That's what I see happening now, so even tho the situation in it's entirety isn't ideal, it's good to know that even when we were very poor, we did enough to be in a good position when on form - and that's what is happening now (if the last two games are anything to go by).
Like I said, hindsight management dictates that we should be playing the same team from September. but who said it would have worked? Couldn't it have been that they finally got some things right in training?
2 games have not changed my mind, but it definitely has made me optimistic, and makes me want to cheer the team on for the rest of the season instead of constantly whining about spilled milk.