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21 Oct 2020 07:38:00
Eric Bailly out for 3-4 weeks with muscle injury confirmed . Feel sorry for the lad but its a business and might be wise to think about cashing in if he can't stay fit, obviously more to it than plain bad luck he might just be one of those injury prone players his whole career.

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21 Oct 2020 08:42:09
I said this over the summer, while I think Bailly is one of our better centre backs, the lad just can't stay fit.

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21 Oct 2020 09:28:21
I don’t even think he’s that good. Bailly, Rojo and Jones all need to be shipped out and replaced. Promote Tuanzebe and one other, and buy another CB.

Tuanzebe last night was incredible. Now if he can stay fit!

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21 Oct 2020 10:04:59
If Tuanzebe can stay fit then he can become a great option for us. Mengi also looks a super talent. Add that to Maguire and Lindelof (who aren't half as bad as most people seem to think) . Then we have some decent players to work with, if we play three at the back then Shaw looks well suited to the LCB role, maybe look to bring in another left footed CB to complete with him and add some balance to our defensive options.

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21 Oct 2020 12:07:50
I’m with you Eric, I don’t see what Bailly has to offer us. It probably says more about the quality of our other CBs that Bailly is highly thought of.

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21 Oct 2020 15:55:17
Really like Tuanzebe. But most importantly, we looked much more in control and focused. Lindelof looks much more assured when not playing with Maguire.

Maguire's positional sense is a nightmare which gives those around him more work to do. But when lindelof plays with a more competent centre half, like Tuanzebe last night, it just seems to work better.

But I'm sure Maguire will walk back in unfortunately.

And shappy, mengi, he is the one. Honestly, really excited to see him when he makes the step up. We shouldn't need to buy another CB with him around.

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21 Oct 2020 17:12:13
Angel, Mengi looks potentially like a top level talent. However, that jump from academy to professional football is vast, and many highly talented players have fallen by the wayside.

To be honest if looking at our central options when playing with three at the back we have Lindelof, Maguire and Shaw as first choice and I think they work well together. Tuanzebe and Mengi coming through to challenge those in the first 11. What we really need is another left footed (or at least left sided) centre back to challenge Shaw.

When playing three at the back the RCB and the LCB need to be comfortable moving wider into areas more traditionally covered by the full back. Which is why ideally you want a left footed LCB.

There are some very good options out there who could be available. David Alaba, if he can't sort out a new deal with Bayern would excel in the role. While players like Pau Torres, Zagadou, Bastoni, Badiashile and Ndicka could all offer solid options as well, all being left footed.

While Mengi has played on the left of the centre back partnership and at LB on occasion, so while being right footed he could easily enough cover there.

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21 Oct 2020 17:51:14
I'm still not convinced with Lindelof angel.
He has not improved over time.
He still gets bullied and struggles in one vs one situations.

I'd like us to go for a top class CB like Giminez or Upamecano, to compete with Maguire, Lindelof and Tuanzebe.

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21 Oct 2020 23:37:53
Angel,

You say unfortunately our captain will walk straight back in but I thought he had a very good game against Newcastle, he won absolutely everything and looked so assured after he got his goal.

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22 Oct 2020 09:40:11
I think a back three with quick players either side of Maguire suits him. It allows him to step forward into midfield with the ball with adequate protection either side of him.

While I think Lindelof has better defensive instincts than Maguire, Harry is far more physical and certainly stronger in the air.

While we played excellently against PSG one thing I did note was PSG never tried the aerial route. Which suited us as Shaw and Lindelof are okay at best in the air and Tuanzebe is untested at the highest level.

In the EPL Maguire might be the better option. In Europe Lindelof might be the better option.

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22 Oct 2020 12:33:46
I don’t get this obsession with needing a left footed CB. Especially as most wingers are now inverted and cut inside, moving on to the defenders right foot. It seems mythical to me.

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22 Oct 2020 23:41:45
Wazza, it's about balance and shape. I would agree in a back four a left footed CB is less important. However, when you play a back three the LCB will have to move out to cover the LB area of the pitch. Which is why being left footed in that situation is preferable.

While the current fashion for higher pressing means that centre backs need to play passes quicker while maintaining accuracy. If you are right footed playing on the left, your options for a quick pass are limited to those players playing on your left, either LB or LW. Whereas a left footed player has a wider area of the pitch to play passes quickly.

If you're right footed and you are pressed then you will have to turn so your left hand side is shielding the ball. If you do that on the left hand side of the pitch you are turning inward towards your goal and then your passing option is limited to your CB partner or maybe a longer more dangerous pass across your box to your RB. If they are marked then you are screwed.

The advantage of a right footed player on the right and a left footed player on the left. Is that the players can play passes more quickly off their stronger foot. While if they are pressed they will naturally, instinctively turn their body in such a way that they will play away from goal and away from the danger area.

That is why Pep has signed Lapotre and Ake, while Arteta has signed Gabriel, David Luis and Pablo Mari.

Tactical managers looking for the best "ideal" solution. It is why left footed CB's are highly prized.

It's why Bayern Munich paid €80m for Lucas Hernandez. While they also play Alaba at LCB often if Hernandez isn't available.

While it's perfectly possible to play a right footed player on the left, you statically get better results from playing a left footer.

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20 Oct 2020 12:30:43
Long time viewer, first time poster. First, big thanks to the Eds for all the input and insight they offer.

Then a question. Is it true that the club is tracking Isak Bergmann Johannesson, the youngster at Norrkoping?

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{Ed002's Note - I don't know about "tracking" and remember scouts watch many players, but I am aware he has been watched by Odense and Burnley on several occasions. Manchester United, Oostende and Brann have had scouts at games recently. The Burnley link will be because of his father.}

20 Oct 2020 12:57:42
Thanks for a quick and informative response Ed002.

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{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}

20 Oct 2020 18:52:01
Welcome to the mad house Cavanice 😁.

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19 Oct 2020 18:07:35
Injury list:
Greenwood, Maguire, Bailly, Lingard and Cavani.

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19 Oct 2020 18:40:30
Whats up with Mase?

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19 Oct 2020 18:49:29
Greenwood has a knock apparently but could be fit for the Chelsea clash on the weekend.
Cavani has not travelled due to lack of fitness.

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19 Oct 2020 19:25:53
Who plays centre back then?

Back 3 of awb, lindolf and shaw or

Axel to play his first game back away at psg?

Jones and rojo not included in the squad, which is still a good thing even with hardly any fit centre backs lol.

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19 Oct 2020 22:45:40
Jones and Rojo not named in CL squad so they will play no part even if Lindelof were to get injured too.

Shame MENGI is not available. Think we will play a back 5 of, Telles, `Shaw, Lindelof, AWB, Williams.

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20 Oct 2020 07:49:07
Why is Mengi not available?
Is he also injured?

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20 Oct 2020 11:08:17
Mengi is part of our "B" list, which means we would have had to add him to the squad 24 hours before kick off. I'm not sure if the club have or haven't added him. If they haven't then he won't be available.

With Bailly and Maguire out and with Jones and Rojo not part of the squad then our defensive options are: AWB, Williams, TFM, Lindelof, Tuanzebe, Shaw and Telles.

So the options are either a back 4 with Lindelof and Tuanzebe probably starting in the centre.

Or a back 3 with Lindelof, Shaw and one of either Tuanzebe or TFM at RCB.

Both options still mean we could have AWB, Williams or Telles at full/ wing back. While a back four would add Shaw to the full back options.

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16 Oct 2020 17:33:38
As predicted the club have apparently triggered the 1 year extension on pogbas contract well before jan to prevent him leaving on a free next summer.
I wonder will this move trigger new contract talks or not.
Im not sure too many clubs want to pay a big fee but if he runs his contract down there would be no shortage of offers to consider i'm sure.
Let's hope ole finds a way to get him playing well.

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16 Oct 2020 18:24:19
Who will be at United longer, Ole or Pogba?

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16 Oct 2020 21:30:58
Just want to stop him leaving free i guess but tbh I'd pay for his taxi to wherever he feels like.

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16 Oct 2020 18:59:49
Very good question Grim!

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17 Oct 2020 10:03:35
Both need to go, edd too n we can maybe salvage our season.

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17 Oct 2020 10:06:44
Worst kept secret in Manchester. His hearts been in Madrid for years. There ain’t a hope in hell that he’ll sign a new contract with us, it’s all been engineered by his agent to get him over there. He’d have been over there last year if Madrid had the money, but what they’ve probably said is hang on until you have a year left and we’ll sign you then when United are forced to take a smaller fee.

I hate the Spanish mob and their little games, you watch when he’s got a year left with us, they’ll wheel out Benzema in front of the cameras to spout about how great a player Pog is and he’ll always be welcome at the Bernabaeu. Plus, it’s no coincidence we’ve signed DVB, he’s obviously been identified as Pog’s replacement, it’s just that we had to sign him now at a decent price to prevent the fee been inflated when we inevitably flog Pog!

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17 Oct 2020 14:07:48
If he’s smart he’ll sign a new deal with an agreed release clause and be gone in January. He’s 27 now and will be 29 by the time his contract’s up. He’ll get a nice signing on fee if he runs the contract down but will struggle to find anybody willing to give him a long contract - especially if his form hasn’t improved massively. Getting a big 5 year deal in January would make a lot more sense than wasting his best years at a club that he doesn’t want to be at and then getting a 2-3 year deal in 2 years time.

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18 Oct 2020 10:45:41
Sad it didn’t work out with Pogba - but stop flogging a dead horse. He doesn’t want to be here anymore and that’s fair enough. You can’t keep someone against their will it’s crazy.

Encourage some decent bids, get him out in Jan and build the team around Bruno and VDB who looks a class act in the glimpses we have seen so far.

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18 Oct 2020 12:48:37
why not be proactive for once and offer Pogba to Real in exchange for Rafael Varane in January or next summer. Both at the same age and the same contract length, should be a decent offer from our side.

We could cut some 30 million quid from our annual budget (13 million wages plus at least 19 million amortization from the fee paid to Juventus, not even accounting for agent fees etc. as I don't know whether they are deducted over the contracting period or as a one off) and thus make room for new signings.

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19 Oct 2020 15:06:16
Why on earth would selling Pogba mean manchester united would gain money from Juventus. it would only change the timing within the accounts nothing else.

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19 Oct 2020 20:45:17
I know what i would do with Pogba, tie his 2 feet into 1 boot around the back of his head and kick his ass to Spain for free! :D Fukn Mercenary!

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19 Oct 2020 21:13:08
Pogba hurts his career. He should ask a transfer request to force a move away. No point hold a player who doesn't want to be here, again no point for him staying in a place doesn't want to. Its a lose-lose so i can't understand why they don't sit down to find a solution.

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16 Oct 2020 10:38:29
"Paul's our player, he's going to be here for another two years and I'm sure Paul is focused on doing his best for us and we want to see the best of Paul. I'm sure in the next couple of years we'll get the best out of him. "

Solskjaer's most recent comments about Paul Pogba. So I doubt he'll be dropped for the Newcastle game, and it looks like the club intend to activate the one year extension and let him leave on a free in 2022. Poor decision in my opinion, and just shows the lack of leadership, direction and basic understanding of football from the top brass at the club.

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16 Oct 2020 11:19:35
“Pauls head is elsewhere, he has wanted to leave for the past 3 summers, didn't see eye to eye with previous manager like a lot of the squad. Paul is not focused on doing his best for us, i'm sure hell excel elsewhere in the next couple of years”.

Probably closer to the truth but ole is hardly gonma say that in his press conference.

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16 Oct 2020 11:37:01
What about the poor decision making from Old to keep shoe-horning him in the midfield, playing deep when it clearly isn't working?

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16 Oct 2020 12:16:03
It worked pretty well last season post lockdown.

I can't think of a single player who has played well in the league for us this season.

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16 Oct 2020 12:57:35
Just don't play him. Should be easy enough for the manager.

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16 Oct 2020 13:08:01
Maybe Paul Scholes?

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16 Oct 2020 13:15:08
Did it dsg? 2 cup semi finals and a dismal few games before that.
Our best run was when pogba was injured.

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16 Oct 2020 13:17:04
so we will be playing with ten men for the next two seasons then.

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16 Oct 2020 13:20:00
DarkKnight, With Pogba there are three options with him in the squad.

1. Don't play him at all. but the draw back is every time you drop points that decision will be questioned. While if the club weren't going to play him they might have well sold him this summer even if it was for 10m.

2. Play him in a position that will get the best out of Pogba even if that is to the detriment to other players such as Bruno, Rashford or whoever. The plus side is pogba plays well, the downside is others might not. Plus if Pogba doesn't sign a new deal then he leaves after we have built the team around him.

3. Try and crowbar him in at his detriment and not that of other players who are committed to the side. That way if he leaves then he isn't a key player in our squad. While other players haven't had their form impacted by Pogba. While win, lose or draw you can't be questioned for leaving out "potentially" one of our best players.

None are good options, we have an unbalanced squad and a key player who wants to leave. Ideally the club would have moved him on this summer and Donny would have been his replacement in the first team. While Lingard or Pereira could have added depth until next season when hopefully one or two of Garner, Levitt and Mejbri might be ready to push for a first team spot depending on how they develop this season.

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16 Oct 2020 15:02:48
I agree with Ken. Our best run was with Fred-Mactominay double pivot.

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16 Oct 2020 17:38:49
2 guys with limited talent giving it everything are better than a player with lots of talent but not giving it his all.

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16 Oct 2020 17:52:22
Ken, Pogba featured in every unbeaten game since project restart.
His first appearance post lockdown was against Spurs in which he won us the penalty after coming on as a substitute.
Apart from that he started all other matches.

I just feel he is not motivated to play for us. It shows in the lack of effort.
There are times when Bruno busts his guts and tracks back when he loses the ball, but I've yet to see that attitude from Pogba.

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16 Oct 2020 17:55:05
Ken i wouldn't say that the only problem is he doesn't give everything. The 2 limited guys you refer to are simply better than Pogba in this role, they are better defencive 8 in this double pivot role.

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16 Oct 2020 18:27:15
Pogba should be playing as understudy to Bruno, with Fred and VdB and Matic and McTominey fighting for the other two positions.

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16 Oct 2020 18:53:36
Trd read the post.
We have been poor since he came back in the team. I think since project restart we played well twice. Before restart we played well in 7 or 8 games while he was injured. Our form has deteriorated since the restart game by game until now.
Its not just him ole has them all playing badly especially his own signings.

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16 Oct 2020 18:59:08
Given how Pogba has played for the last year he doesn’t even merit a place in the starting 11. If it wasn’t for his commercial/ social media value the club would be working much harder to shift him out. Also, our relationship with Real Madrid is horrendous and I can’t see us ever selling anyone to them under the current environment. I saw Spanish reports that Barcelona were interested and perhaps we could get some players from them in exchange. De Jong would be my top choice, he’s come into some criticism from the Catalan media recently and when that happens then 90% of the time it doesn’t work out well for the player.

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17 Oct 2020 08:07:26
Not sure Real will be Pogba's next destination, aren't they prioritising Mbappe, a right winger and Camavinga next summer?

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18 Oct 2020 06:50:00
He wouldn’t excel anywhere dsg he’s a no good drama queen.

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14 Oct 2020 15:31:57
I got a rumour forwarded to me the other day that SAF will take a C.V. 19 test with the manchester united squad so he can travel with them to newcastle and be with them in the dressing room. Anyone else chance upon something like this?

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14 Oct 2020 15:55:27
Not sure Fergie will be in the dressing room as it would undermine Ole. Think the only time he has visited the United dressing room was after the PSG win.
I can see him travelling with the squad, but only as part of the club delegation like him and Bobby have done in the past. Doesn't David Gill still travel with the squad from time to time?

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14 Oct 2020 16:18:30
He should stay well away. Having him around d the squad etc would be liked having a hangover. It ha Peter Liverpool in the past.

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14 Oct 2020 19:43:04
Regardless of the footballing side of things, whether it undermines ole or makes it look like were harking back to the past etc it doesn't make sense from a health point of view as he's surely in the high risk category from CV 19 given his age and previous health concern.

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14 Oct 2020 20:08:57
Why? SAF was our greatest ever. Arguably the GOAT. But he is our history and that’s where it should stay. Move on.

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14 Oct 2020 21:11:28
Totally inappropriate for a host of reasons imo and I'm sure its a made up story.

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14 Oct 2020 23:25:22
We are Liverpool now as they were in the 90s - early 2000s. History repeating itself.

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15 Oct 2020 08:22:42
Just 1 more way ole can embarrass this club.

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15 Oct 2020 13:52:56
Didn't Fergie used to be a centre half? Maybe he's going to play?

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15 Oct 2020 21:01:17
Centre forward mate. Not a great one by his own admission.

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16 Oct 2020 12:58:08
He scored a fair few goals all the same ken.

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16 Oct 2020 17:35:44
Id say he was a hard man. He did he was never blessed with great talent and made the most if what he had.

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16 Oct 2020 21:04:49
Ken, imagine if our lads were like that. We'd be champions every year.

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12 Oct 2020 13:56:47
Hi Ed, hope everyone is well. Now the dust has settled, is there any chance Ed you could give us a summary of any players we are targeting for the January window? Completely understand if not, but thanks anyway.

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{Ed002's Note - Manchester United have agreed to complete the transfer of Amad Traore by December 31 to allow him to move in January subject to a Work Permit etc.. However, Manchester United would have been aware of an issue that blocked the sale of his brother Hamed Treore from Empoli to another English side earlier in the summer that resulted in the extention of his loan at Empoli with an obligation to buy included. It relates to the players arriving in Italy with false paperwork and that means they could potentially be in the country illegally. So there might be another hurdle to deal with.

Aside from that, clubs don't usually plan for January transfers and I am not aware of anything that the club may wish to do.}

12 Oct 2020 15:34:21
The January window tend to be used by those who have maybe changed manager, or to offload a few players who aren't playing. In general players who are playing well prefer not to move in January, especially ahead of the summer international tournament as if they have a drop in form that could cost them a place in their national side.

I very much expect Amad Traore to be our only "signing" of January. With maybe 1 or 2 players departing either on loan or permanently.

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14 Oct 2020 09:29:12
You may have changed manager by then though, Shappy?

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14 Oct 2020 10:21:34
Silvered, we may well have done. But I still don't see the club spending in January unless someone like Sancho or Upamecano becomes available. It would need to be a either a long term target or a top level player available for a bargain. I can't see either happening.

Good players don't tend to move in the January when there is an international tournament in the summer. The risk of not settling, or not getting games and thus missing out on going to a tournament with their national side is too great.

If we change manager I expect it'll either happen mid December or early January, otherwise we won't change manager until the end of the season. Either way the club are unlikely to sanction spending during a financial crisis for a manager who will likely have had no more than a few weeks with his players.

In the past 30 years we have only made 12 January signings, of which only Evra, Vidic and Bruno can be considered successes. While Saha had he avoided injury probably would have been as well. It's a pretty terrible success rate.

Whether Ole keeps his job or we have a new manager, I highly doubt the club will make any January signings.

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14 Oct 2020 12:29:37
The club didn't even spend money the last time Sancho and Upamecano were available😃😃.

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10 Oct 2020 15:00:50
The young Swansea CB Joe Rodon may be heading to Spurs seemingly but I'm conscious he was noted by the Eds as a player we've looked at previously. Is a move to Tottenham a done deal or someone United could yet look to before the 16Oct deadline?

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{Ed002's Note - I had said there was no interest.}

10 Oct 2020 16:47:00
Thanks Ed002. Hope you're having a good weekend.

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{Ed002's Note - A very busy weekend. But thanks.}



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