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08 Jun 2022 17:43:51
Ed002. I note you gave potentially in your opinion some obtainable targets below.
You mentioned either fdj or sms.
Can I ask in your opinion who do you think is better suited to the epl and united at this time.
Imo both players are quite different in the way they play for their current clubs.
Both are very good technically imo. I hope we do get one of them preferably both but that's a double pipe dream.
Cheers.

ken

{Ed002's Note - SMS}


1.) 08 Jun 2022 19:22:11
I agree with Ed. I really don't think FDJ is the guy, nor do I think he suits the league at all. Feel like we are wasting our time, whilst neglecting other areas that need reinforcing. Same old United.


2.) 08 Jun 2022 19:24:02
If I had to go for one Ken it would be De Jong. I think he was outstanding in that Ajax side. He progressed the ball so well, was always showing for the ball and ultimately was brave in his play.

I’ve not seen enough of SMS, but from what I have seen he looks better in the final third a bit like pogba, whereas de Jong will help us control the midfield a bit more I think.


3.) 08 Jun 2022 19:36:57
Ed you were spot on with the Inter defender news. Legend.


4.) 08 Jun 2022 20:23:43
Ed - one more for today, are rumours accurate that we’ve submitted a bid for FDJ? €60m plus add ons is the rumour?

Will this be enough?

{Ed002's Note - I don’t know. I know who to ask tomorrow.}


5.) 08 Jun 2022 20:50:13
Will knock on your digital door again tomorrow! Have a great evening.


6.) 08 Jun 2022 23:16:28
Caolan. As I said tj have very different attributes but can play anywhere you ask them in midfield. Both technically super. Sms is physically imposing and his touch and timing are really good.
I tend to agree that if eth wants someone to be the fulcrum of the team like a pirlo Scholes xavi thiago type playmaker then fdj looks more suited to my amateur eye. I'd love them both to be honest but we know that's not a possibility.
Hope we get one of them as I think both are a huge step up from what we have.


7.) 08 Jun 2022 23:28:04
Elvis, I’m not sure Ed said that. FDJ is better than all of our other midfielders, he’s also the man our new manager wants to build the team around, so he will do for me.


8.) 09 Jun 2022 00:32:55
Ken I’d say you could probably name a good 20+ players who would be an upgrade on our midfield ?.


9.) 09 Jun 2022 09:15:01
20+ is a very conservative estimate Caolan. 100+ is very possible.


10.) 09 Jun 2022 11:05:39
Missed a zero Rj!


 

 

04 Jun 2022 12:54:37
Good afternoon ed002.
Reports yesterday that bailly and tuanzebe will join the list of players made available for transfer along with Awb Henderson and telles pereira and potentially Dalot.
Firstly do you know if these reports are accurate and secondly has their been any interest shown in any of those 6.
Mata matic pogba grant Jessie plus some or all of the above would be a huge amount of churn in one widow albeit very necessary imo.
Finally do you know is there any other players apart from the above that the club are willing to listen to offers for?
Cheers.

ken

{Ed002's Note - The answers can be found by searching - I have answered all of these.}


1.) 04 Jun 2022 13:22:37
It is a lot of players to leave in one window, and that is in addition to embedding EtH new system. I am prepared that we may struggle at first, I am not bothered by that if the club is doing what it needs to get back to challenging in the medium term.

As Ken says it's necessary, not one of those players I believe will be in a team that challenges again so even if we ended up a bit short for a window it's not a big issue for me when thinking long term.


2.) 04 Jun 2022 13:48:11
Hope Rashford, Martial and Maguire also join the potential exit list. Probably one of AWB/ Dalot will be retained unless ETH brings a high quality RB and he found a good one in youth team as backup.


3.) 04 Jun 2022 14:32:02
I think Radhford will be part of his plans and he’s already (perhaps worryingly) said he thinks Maguire is a very good player. Martial however… hopefully some club will be crazy enough to move for him although I don’t know why, he did nothing out on loan either.


4.) 04 Jun 2022 14:31:26
We definitely need this sort of clear out within the squad, however, as has been said above, it is a lot of turnover in one summer. Not just the amount of players we're losing but the experience of those as well. Lingard, Matic, Mata, Pogba etc may not be everyone's favourites and some may be the players we want to leave but they have all played for a long time at the highest level and won a lot of trophies between them.

I think we would be wise to sign an older player or 2 who can come in a contribute for a couple of seasons in a similar way to how someone like Milner has for Liverpool or others have in the past for us.


5.) 04 Jun 2022 14:43:50
From what I've heard/ read Dalot is one that will be kept.

So we will have Grant, Pogba, Lingard, Cavani, Mata, Matic and Chong all leave on free transfers.

So that's 7 gone.

Henderson, AWB, Bailly, Jones, Telles, Tuanzebe, Andreas Pereira and Martial all potentially for the chop as well. Which is another 8.

Taking it to potentially 15 first team squad players leaving.

Rumours are that EtH wants a very streamlined squad next season. So he can be more hands on train his ideas intensly into the remaining squad.


6.) 04 Jun 2022 16:03:19
I think for a few years we have actually had too bloated a squad, not saying of the quality required.

We also have a number of promising youngsters but when are they going to get a chance when you have so many players in the squad.

I would much rather see a Shoretire Iqbal, Garnacho, Fernandez, Hannibal get game time than the above mentioned as leaving, in cups, getting minutes as subs.

United fans will always get behind kiddies as the come through, i know perhaps they get stick on forums but at OT or at away grounds from travelling supporters United have never turned on our academy products and I don't think they ever will.


7.) 04 Jun 2022 16:09:11
Without any signings that would leave a squad of:

DDG, Heaton, Bishop, Kovar

Dalot, Laird, Varane, Lindelof, Maguire, Mengi, Shaw, Williams, Fernandez

McTominay, Fred, Donny, Garner, Bruno, Hannibal

Ronaldo, Rashford, Sancho, Elanga, Amad, Pellistri, Garnacho, Shoretire.

Which still leaves 27 including 11 youngsters on the cusp of the first team squad (Kovar, Bishop, Laird, Mengi, Fernandez, Garner, Hannibal, Amad, Pellistri, Garnacho and Shoretire) .

With a core of 16 first team players with more than 10 appearances in the first team.

Personally I'd expect many of those youngsters to go out on loan. Bishop, Kovar, Laird, Amad, Pellistri and Shoretire for me definitely go out on loan. With Mengi, Williams, Fernandez and Garner possibly also heading out on loan. Garnacho and Hannibal are the only ones I definitely think will stay as part of the first team squad next season.


8.) 04 Jun 2022 16:25:40
When you see that list of 15 first team players who could be gone it really highlights how terrible this squad is. Literally everyone of them are p. poor. Liverpool or city wouldn’t touch one.


9.) 04 Jun 2022 16:47:21
Come on let's not get carried away. We know 7 who will leave for sure. Then any of Hendo, Martial, Jones, Bailley. But 15? We need to put out a decent bench and have some level of player available to come on when we need a goal. It can't all be made up of kids. Can it?


10.) 04 Jun 2022 19:09:56
Spenno, after the 7 who are definitely leaving the other 8 are:

Henderson, AWB, Bailly, Jones, Telles, Tuanzebe, Andreas Pereira and Martial.

Which of those players should be on the bench to grab us a goal if we need it?

I'd rather give Garnacho, Elanga, Shoretire, Amad, Pellistri, McNeil etc a chance if we need a goal.

I expect they'll be more likely to find the net than AWB, Tuanzebe or Andreas Pereira.


11.) 04 Jun 2022 19:50:38
Shappy, Phil Jones in 'Inverted Mode' can grab us a goal when needed.


12.) 04 Jun 2022 19:56:47
Figure of speech really Shappy. Defend a lead, score a goal, replace a key player. I don’t think we should be depending on 17 year old kids across the board, especially most you mentioned.


13.) 04 Jun 2022 21:56:30
Spenno, it really doesn't matter what you or I think. Ultimately it will be down to EtH.

I suppose what is the difference between having to rely on a kid who might not be good enough (or might be, you never know until you give them the chance) and having to rely on a 100k a week player who has already proven themselves not good enough.

The other year when Chelsea had their transfer ban they had a load of kids step into the first team squad (James, Tomori, Mount, Abraham, Hudson-Odoi) . On the whole they did well, at least as well as any squad player Chelsea had signed.

Since then, two of them have cemented their place as first team regulars, while two others have been sold for good fees.

So you never know if or which youngsters might step up.

Personally I think Garnacho and Hannibal are most likely.

Garner has a decent chance as well. I'd have said Mengi also, but we seem pretty set on signing Timber who is a similar player (quick, mobile right footed CB who can play RB) but probably more talented.

Maybe Hannibal and Garnacho will go on to have similar success as James and Mount, maybe Garner and Mengi will go on to be sold for good fees.

Who knows.

What we do know is that the rumours are that EtH wants a much smaller, trimmed down squad.

Which makes sense as he tries to imbue his philosophy and tactics in the players. Much like in education the smaller the class size the better the children do.

By reducing the size of the squad he can really focus in and work with smaller groups and get his ideas across quicker and more accurately.

He supposedly wants a core group of 20 outfield players plus the keepers.

Currently on the books we have 31 players, meaning at least 11 would need to leave and that doesn't leave space for signings.

Again just rumours but supposedly EtH wants 3-4 key signings. A CB, CDM and a ST. With possibly a keeper if Henderson leaves or a full back.

However, back up keeper and full back are not the priority.

Timber, De Jong and Nunez are the primary targets.


14.) 04 Jun 2022 22:21:28
What’s the point of this place if every opinion is retorted to with ‘it’s up to EtH’? Of course it is, like absolutely everything else that people ask.


15.) 04 Jun 2022 22:36:04
Spenno, even without including the kids, that's still a fairly full squad with room for only a few signings.

Shows how bloated our squad has been.


16.) 05 Jun 2022 01:56:48
Spending: Even if 15 players leave it still leaves a squad of 27 even if there’s a few kids in there, I’d imagine there’d probs be 3-5 signings too. So it wouldn’t be a bench full of 17 y/ o.


17.) 05 Jun 2022 02:24:51
Did anyone else notice shoretire being noticeably taller and bigger in his last cameo compared to the one he has under ole. I'm guessing he grew a little.


18.) 07 Jun 2022 14:55:18
Reducing the sizeof the squad is a certainty
A lot of the players like Mata and Matic were too old anyway, others like Jesse and Pogba should have been sole earlier.

I take the point bout young players being inexperienced but if they won the FA youth cup then some of them will be incorporated into the United first team squad for the coming season.
I would keep one of Martial or Rashford but try and sell or loan the other out.
Elanga looked good last season so I think he will be developed further. I have not seen a lot of the other youngsters so I don't really know about them.
I would certainly try and get some players in with Premier League experience as this is important.
I would try and get a striker and a dfensive midfield player with international experience as this is what is most needed and where we are weakest.


 

 

09 Jan 2022 18:40:01
I don't think we will see too much activity in this window at OT.
Perhaps a few loan deals out which will help thin out the squad a bit.
I think poch will be our new manager so is it not best to let him or whomever it is have as much input and budget as possible.
Looking forward to tomorrow night. Should see a few fresh faces and some cohesion after a few days training.

ken

1.) 09 Jan 2022 19:08:32
I'm sure the club still expects to finish top 4 at least, and not getting CL for next season could well have a bearing on any summer signings - manager or players. So if any signing can be made in this window that would walk into this side (not out of the question where midfield is concerned) I'm hoping things are being looked out.


2.) 09 Jan 2022 21:35:05
Ken I’d hope to see a few fresh faces too, in fact I think us fans would like to see a statement by Ralph and some under performing names dropped!
I think it’s time he put his marker down and by that I mean drop the big names who quite clearly shouldn’t be playing. Maguire, Ronaldo, Bruno even! We’ll see!


 

 

21 Nov 2021 23:14:08
Ed002. There are so many reports and rumours that there is some confusion amongst supporters.
From what I can make out it appears to be the following
Carrick as caretaker with fletcher having a more prominent role within the team.
The club are looking to appoint an interim manager until the end of the season.
The club will look at appoint a new permanent manager in the close season.
Is that summary correct?
If so Ed do you know who the club are considering for the interim role?
Have you any insight as to who the preferred candidate is for the permanent role is?
Poch, Ten Hagg and Rodgers have all been mentioned by you before but with the club appearing to want to wait until the summer do you see anybody else being under consideration?

ken

{Ed002's Note - The club would rather not have an interim manager but preferred options are not available right now or not interested. The club may stick with Carrick and Fletcher if it is possible to attract someone they want. Zidane is available but seems to want the PSG or France jobs. Rodger’s may be a viable option. Pochettino perhaps in the summer. For an interim role the club should look at keeping it house if possible and riding the season out and spending the time deciding if they want to address the larger management issue or keep working through managers.}


1.) 22 Nov 2021 10:42:38
in an ideal world, psg let poch go and they get zidane and poch takes the hot seat at OT.

we have seen what tucel did with Chelsea in such little time, a decent coach and staff will get miles more from this squad. its the best squad we have had in 8 seasons.


2.) 22 Nov 2021 11:19:01
Seems pace is gathering for Poch coming sooner rather than later. Not sure about this one to be honest. I know it’s Sir Alex preferred choice, but there’s a reason Spurs let him go and he’s hardly setting the world on fire in Paris.

Unfortunately for me is the influence that Sir Alex seems to be having on football decisions. It seems that when he speaks, the club automatically carry out his wishes and I don’t think that’s a healthy place to be in. He was obviously behind Ronny coming back and that decision is perhaps another debate in itself. As a club they have time now to get things right.

Not just a managerial appointment, but the whole management structure and how this impinges on the short and long term. In terms of manager, personally I’d like to see us wait until summer and then make an approach for Eric Ten Hag and his complete backroom staff if this is possible.

He’s worked wonders at Ajax, his style of play is similar to where we want to be and he’s renowned for giving youth a chance and developing a clubs academy. If they can bring Edwin in as DoF then we’ve cracked it.


3.) 22 Nov 2021 12:03:25
Hardly setting the world on fire? He’s lost 1 game all season, is well clear at the top of the league and will qualify for the knockout stage of the Champions League. What exactly were you expecting him to have done so far?


4.) 22 Nov 2021 11:59:43
fire psg are top, walking the title and unbeaten in UCL

he did an amazing job with spurs with 0 funds for 4-5 seasons, if spurs let him spend some money to improve the squad they would have won the title in one of them seasons

he was let down by levy.

{Ed014's Note - how much had Leicester spent then, when they beat Spurs to the title?

He had a far superior squad to theirs didn’t he?


5.) 22 Nov 2021 12:41:45
Take the comments onboard regarding his record at PSG this season. However, with Messi, Neymar and Mbappe…. would you expect anything different? At clubs like PSG, Bayern etc, it’s just a case of rinse and repeat. It doesn’t necessarily indicate a mangers prowess.

Time will tell what direction the club go in, although I think you can pretty much write this season off to be honest, unless the interim team manage to do a Di Matteo and win the Champions League.

Either way, relieving Ole of his position is a positive step, despite him having a special place in fans hearts. I’m pleased to say I don’t think that will change.


6.) 22 Nov 2021 12:41:56
Yeah but freak seasons happen.

He did a great job at spurs. With a bit more investment they would have won a title.

I think poch would be a good decision

Ten hag won't have the right set up to succeed, ajax are built different from 1st team down to there unders.


7.) 22 Nov 2021 13:11:42
I don't rate Pochettino. He didn't win anything at Spurs, and didn't even win Ligue 1 in his first season, given the squad he had.


8.) 22 Nov 2021 13:27:10
Leicester also beat Pep’s city that season, it’s ridiculous to compare.


 

 

08 Nov 2021 20:41:08
Rashford out of England squad pogba out of French squad.
Ole avoiding to retorts flew home to Norway today. Unclear if it was planned.
I would have thought it would be a good opportunity to work with mason sancho Jesse and other non internationals.
Maybe he is gone to consider his position who knows.
Maybe he has gone on a planned holiday the break is needed in sure he looks like he has Aged 10 years in 6 months.

ken

1.) 09 Nov 2021 04:41:50
Now just close all entry points from Norway.


2.) 09 Nov 2021 07:03:44
There are rumours growing he will be relieved of his duties in the next 2 days.


3.) 09 Nov 2021 07:34:56
Ken

I found it very strange they have given everyone a week off. After such calamitous defeats I would have expected extra training. We might conclude and the best explanation is that the players are now so entrenched against what the manager is asking, they really don’t believe what the coaches are doing. It could be antagonistic putting the dead man walking managed in charge of DvB and Sancho, major club assets. Therefore, take them all out of the firing line whilst they deal with the situation. It is hard to imagine the players coming back to Ole and his coaches next week given what has been reported, insurrection would be more likely. When even Rio has now seen the light the club must realise time is up.

The ideal time is when he is in Norway, home, there are no unsavoury pictures of him looking more shell shocked than after the last game. He has privacy there.

Let’s hope the club make decisions on his future quickly. I doubt he will get near the Norwich job though.

The thing is Conte was available, now they have very few quality managers to choose from, I am not convinced by Zidane. Step one first, Ole must go.


4.) 09 Nov 2021 08:06:19
The club will not act unless they really need to Ted Man - backed up by Ed2.

Poch is clearly our the next choice and he’s not ready to go yet until summer at the earliest so can only imagine they’re lining up an interim. As long as it’s not Brendan Rogers I’m happy.


5.) 09 Nov 2021 08:18:05
Eric

The club really need to

Can you imagine the players coming back to Ole and his coaches? It will very quickly start to become damaging to the club.


6.) 09 Nov 2021 11:31:57
On what basis is Poch clearly the next choice? It could be any of 3-4 managers currently unavailable.


7.) 09 Nov 2021 16:13:37
Pointless discussing right now. Looks to me like we're literally going to stick our head in the sand and do nothing. This is the lowest I've felt in years as a fan of this club. Even under Jose at least we knew theyd make a change when things went sour. This is disgusting, we've got guys like Ronaldo and Varane in the squad and are going to do nothing to resolve the problems.


8.) 10 Nov 2021 10:36:21
Looks like Pogba has played his last game for us anyway. Injured until January, at which point he’ll sign a pre-contract with someone else.

{Ed077's Note - he can still play for Man Utd even after signing a pre-contract agreement in January.


9.) 10 Nov 2021 10:48:57
Pogba can't go quickly enough for me . He is the laziest, most over rated player we have ever had.
An idea -why don't we swap Ole for Erik ten Hag. At least we would have a chance then and Danny Van de Beek might get a game along with Lingard.
Also bring back Tuanzebe from his loan spell. He is far too good to be on loan along with Garner and Chong. None of these could be any worse than we have at the moment.


10.) 12 Nov 2021 01:08:23
Chong was showing some worth at Birmingham before his injury. Got motm a few times and played great as wing back and even more so in the centre of the park. Definitely knows how to track back and put in the effort.


 

 

 

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26 Jun 2022 17:06:50
The whole playing side of the team is about to change.
For the 1st time in years we will develop a system with patterns of play and we will, in time, become a really well drilled exciting team to watch.
The challenge is how quickly the players can adapt to and adopt the new asks but also how quickly that eth can tweak his principles to adapt to the pace and style of the epl
I'm really looking forward to how that develops.
We have some potentially exciting youth prospects. I'm full expecting 3 or 4 exciting new signings that will be in keeping with what ETH wants to do and the moving on of some more players out of the squad.
Have not looked forward to the beginning of a season more in years.
At last I have real hope that I will begin to enjoy watching the team again and have some pride in the team. Supporting a team with a plan and with a common purpose and goal.
A realistic target in my mind and one I'm hoping they achieve is plus 20 points on this season.
It's a big jump and while I'm optimistic I wouldn't say confident as these lads are in for some culture shock.
Honestly its been the best time to be a united supporter since the day moyes was appointed.
It's like being back in the 70s and 80s. Going unto the season as complete underdogs and very little expectation of success.
But the doc and big Ron never quite got there (I'm wiping sexton era out of my memory bank as I'll do with oles in time) but when fergie came despite a poor couple of seasons and sailing close to the wind you could feel the team were getting there.
I'm hoping to see similar winds of change on the pitch and around the club under eth.
It's a big mountain they have to climb no doubt but we've been in bigger holes than this.

ken

1.) 26 Jun 2022 17:22:07
Spot on, Ken. Totally agree and I'm the same in looking forward to this season more than almost any other in the last decade.

At the very least I'd expect some entertainment from the side which is more than could be expected under any of the previous managers since Fergie.


2.) 26 Jun 2022 17:34:03
Shhh Ken, don't be silly. Haven't you heard? It's 3 weeks into a 12 week transfer window and we haven't signed any of the 300 players we have been linked with yet.

On top of that we haven't sold our entire squad of bags of potatoes masquerading as footballers.

The Glazers took out a dividend in a move many consider more aggressive than when Hitler started building concentration camps.

EtH will be sacked by Christmas in the greatest miscarriage of justice Manchester United fans have had to endure since the Greek authorities decided NOT to lock Harry Maguire up in a cell. Leaving United fans forced in to watching him lurch around the pitch reminiscent of the Titanic after its fateful meeting with an iceberg.

The only glimmer of light is that the club looks finally set to sign Wesley Sneijder now he is too fat to run away from us.

We're doomed, DOOMED. All joy and light in the world has been extinguished. Sauron has won, recovered his ring from the midget thief with the hairy toes and covered all middle Earth in a second darkness. He will reign supreme from his deserted fortress the EmptyHad, while we all burn and suffer.


3.) 26 Jun 2022 17:55:21
I'm quite optimistic too Ken. Not because I think we'll win anything next year but I just want to enjoy watching United again. The main thing I'm looking forward to is the ruthlessness the manager has for the player's who don't buy into his beliefs. I think there's one or two kids too who can hopefully kick the door open and be given minutes.

By the way, any tips on blocking the Ole regime from the memory, let me know!


4.) 26 Jun 2022 17:57:39
lets see if the dressing room is in better shape first-sorry but i'm a bit jaded having seen some very good squads on paper just not able to bring any sort of success onto the pitch amid talks of player power and a general can't be arsed atitude that has poisoned the squad.

Some of the disruptive elements will be gone when the season starts, a few might still remain and will the new squad have the mental toughness this season to put a defeat behind them or will we still see these bad runs we go on whereby it seems there's no clue how to turn things round -like when we concede an early goal or not being able to win away from home. remember the knives will be out for ETH at every slip up . heres hoping for a fresh start!


5.) 26 Jun 2022 18:21:55
Im with you ken as much as i have moaned with thr lack of activity, i am looking forward to the start of the season.


6.) 26 Jun 2022 19:29:08
If there is genuine signs of us implementing an attacking attractive philosophy, of players improving, that would be enough for me. I am not expecting any progress to be fast I just want to see us start a definite path. Anything more than that is a bonus.

I will support United no matter how bad the dross on the pitch is, but I just want this year something to get behind and to have a belief that we may actually be heading the right way.

The Brucie bonus for me will be ETH integrating a few of the kids and some of them looking like they will make it.


7.) 26 Jun 2022 19:52:25
I’m excited and optimistic too, regardless of who or who doesn’t sign. Saying that I really hope FdJ signs as he’s clearly the fulcrum EtH wants to dictate the team.
Generally I’ve been excited and quickly let down by all the managerial appointments over the years. In particular LvG, I was so excited to see how what this former Barcelona coach could do. Arguably that was the worst stint of all.
Many of the squad return to begin training tomorrow, when Erik gets a first look at what he’s got to play with. Guess it will be a mixed bag of mostly youths and squad players this week.


8.) 26 Jun 2022 20:23:36
I think all the optimism and joy of watching united has been nearly sucked out of me haha.

Here's hoping to a new dawn, on the pitch, at least.


9.) 26 Jun 2022 20:43:31
To be honest bolger I think we all are.
I get some of the frustration.
I get and am wholly with the disdain for the owners but some perspective is needed on that point by many imo.
The only thing that matters is what are squad is come close of the window. Then how eth works with them and vice versa.
Never been a better time to be a united fan than right now than at any point in the last 10 years.
My primary concern is what goes on on the pitch.
Not in the board room or shareholders. That is what it is.
I just want to enjoy what's going on on the pitch and not get sucked up in the modern day media frenzied fed by exactly what we read on this page.


10.) 26 Jun 2022 21:31:25
I like this thread Ken very much. Frankly all I want to see is some entertainment and good football!


11.) 26 Jun 2022 21:38:24
I hope EtH turns out to be our Klopp.


12.) 26 Jun 2022 21:42:37
I am optimistic as well Ken, i am always a glass half full type. I have been a big critic of some players, mostly Rashford, but i go into this season giving every player a clean slate. I have seen your opinion of Fred, and other people claim Maguire or even Bruno are not good enough.
I believe he whole structure of the club and the whole coaching system has been wrong for a long time. I have real hope that we may finally be heading in the right direction.
I ask every fan to give every player the benefit of the doubt, and see what Ten Hag can do do with each player, less of the he isn't good enough, until we see what the manager thinks.
Everyone on here thinks they are an authority on who is a good player, but over the years, how many big money signings have flopped.
I hope everybody can join the real world and realise we need a few years of good coaching, and sensible transfers to begin to compete with City and Liverpool, but the man who knows more than any on here is the man in charge, so let's all let him do his job and give him time for his vision to mould itself onto the team, whoever he chooses.


13.) 26 Jun 2022 22:17:06
I have such low expectations now, jaded really.

Just don't bore me, it's not a lot to ask, you don't even need to win, just look like you're trying and don't let me fall asleep.


14.) 26 Jun 2022 22:52:24
Bang on inhope.
If ten hag can get martial playing well ill be joining in cheering him on.
I've said every player gets a clean slate imo.
Some will have a short rope I admit but if they buy into the plan and do all they can and the manager picks them that's good enough for me.


15.) 26 Jun 2022 23:33:08
Nice post Ken. Agree it’s a time to be excited playing wise now we have a very well respected coach in. We need to stick with Ten Hag no matter what. Realistically write off next 2 seasons. But I do agree we are capable of getting 20 points more by a better manager in and defined style and attacking progressive football back.


16.) 27 Jun 2022 00:16:01
Ken, very nice post. I hope ETH can sort the team spirit. I was the biggest advocate of ETH joining United when most wanted Poch.
The crux of the matter will be if ETH can stamp his authority and discipline the squad. And for that to happen, he needs the backing of the owners, not only financially, but within the decision making process.
I am absolutely behind ETH, but I'm still unsure about the setup within the club.
Teams above us are very good and have strengthened. We can be as optimistic as we like, but with the defence and midfield we've got, we're not top4 material. And I also worry where the goals are coming from.
I always have hope for any new season, but let's not kid ourselves, our first team is not up to anything, and the team spirit was shocking.
On positive side is ETH methods, discipline, and the emergence of some good youth players.


 

 

20 Jun 2022 21:58:13
I think a loan move to forest is a good move for Henderson and the club.
It gives eth an opportunity to assess ddg and his suitability and gives Henderson a chance to improve and either get in the shop window or stake his claim.
Interesting to see who will come in to cover Henderson.

ken

1.) 20 Jun 2022 22:34:38
I fully agree. I don't think having two keepers fighting it out for No.1 actually helps either of them.


2.) 21 Jun 2022 00:03:16
Shappy, you agree other than that you have spent all summer telling us how DDG doesn't suit EtH style and that Henderson is more the type of keep he rates ?.


3.) 21 Jun 2022 00:10:04
I don't think either will be here after this season.

I hope de gea can improve his distrabution with his feet and adapt to how we will want to play

But i can't see it tbh.

Agree with henderson but unless ten hag sees somthing while he is at forest i think both keepers will be sold next summer.


4.) 21 Jun 2022 07:33:46
Agree Bolger - both will go by end of next season.

Henderson to Forest on loan will allow him to play regularly and hopefully recover some of his value for a sale while the club have other priorities away from GK this year so makes sense to give DDG another year then sell after hopefully some improvement after coaching/ ETH system etc

Then get Sanchez in from Brighton

So long as they don’t offer DDG another contract tho.


5.) 21 Jun 2022 09:01:25
A lot of rumours coming out of the club that Henderson is becoming quite the problem with his attitude and the club can’t wait to get rid of him. No surprise no top club is interested, he was poor when given the chance for us and seemed to think he had made it after a couple of games.


6.) 21 Jun 2022 12:25:38
Dodgy, if it was me DDG would have gone a couple of season's ago when he was in poor form and had been for over 18 months.

Henderson has been very poorly handled in my opinion.

Personally I see more of the traits that EtH supposedly looks for in Henderson than in DDG.

We know EtH considered signing Henderson so you'd think he at least rates him and thinks he fits his style of play.

However, it would be difficult to come in and either drop or sell DDG and replace him with Henderson based on last season's form.

While keeping them both would present a difficult situation as one will not be happy and that doesn't help to make the toxic dressing room any better.

One has to go this summer, its definitely the easier option to move Henderson on that DDG.


7.) 21 Jun 2022 12:25:38
Dodgy, if it was me DDG would have gone a couple of season's ago when he was in poor form and had been for over 18 months.

Henderson has been very poorly handled in my opinion.

Personally I see more of the traits that EtH supposedly looks for in Henderson than in DDG.

We know EtH considered signing Henderson so you'd think he at least rates him and thinks he fits his style of play.

However, it would be difficult to come in and either drop or sell DDG and replace him with Henderson based on last season's form.

While keeping them both would present a difficult situation as one will not be happy and that doesn't help to make the toxic dressing room any better.

One has to go this summer, its definitely the easier option to move Henderson on that DDG.


8.) 21 Jun 2022 15:38:33
Thank God it is not up to Shappy :)


9.) 21 Jun 2022 16:52:47
You can say that again we would be a team going around in circles? he wouldn't even sign for the club himself.


 

 

13 Jun 2022 11:53:48
Why do people think they're is such little interest in Henderson?
Once touted as the next England no1 yet so far it looks like Middlesborough are the only club in for him so far seeking a loan deal.
Ajax looked for a loan deal before as their other 2 keepers have a combined age of 80.
His star certainly looks to have fallen somewhat.
I hope he gets a move to reignite his career.

ken

1.) 13 Jun 2022 12:05:30
My guess would be wages and whatever fee we are demanding. United always price high on sales and then get irked when clubs do the same to us. Funny that. On hendo i'd say a loan is more probable for next season if anyone is interested.


2.) 13 Jun 2022 12:16:22
Thinks its very early on the window to gauge how much interest there is. Who knows what goes on behind the scenes plus there are so many stories to make up about United right now that the final destination of our backup GK is just an addendum.


3.) 13 Jun 2022 12:55:47
I get that I just thought he would be in more demand.
He may not even be for sale.
I suppose clicks on players leaving don't make as much money as someone supposedly coming in.
Even though I'm more interested in the outs than the ins this summer.


4.) 13 Jun 2022 12:58:28
I read a few days ago that there was a done deal for him to go to Newcastle.


5.) 13 Jun 2022 13:31:14
I have read there was a done deal to Newcastle and also they were not interested in him.

It migh the that ETH wants to get some of these boys back for pre season to assess them in his system.


6.) 13 Jun 2022 13:40:23
Couple of things I'd imagine.

Firstly I read the other day that he is apparently the 5th highest paid goalkeeper in the league.

If true I'd imagine it presents a problem for many clubs. It's unusual for a player in the prime of their career to accept lower wages when moving clubs. Most expect their wages to remain the same or even increase. Is he prepared to accept lower wages?

Maybe clubs clubs are only looking at a loan without paying his full wages. I can imagine Middlesbrough would be prepared to pay him north of 100k per week to play in the Championship for them.

Secondly, it depends what the club are looking for. Maybe United only want to consider loan deals and feel selling a player who they will then need to spend money to replace is of little benefit to them.

Maybe they think giving Henderson a loan deal for a year means he gets to play every week and keeps him happy, while giving EtH the chance the run the rule over both DDG for United and Henderson playing every week on loan. Meaning he can make a decision on whether you to stick with DDG, switch to Henderson or buy a completely new keeper next summer.

Or maybe there is some truth in the rumours that Henderson has been leaking line-ups and stories to the press and that behaviour has put off some other teams.

The rumours seem to suggest that United would want 30m to sell Henderson, I can't imagine there are many clubs in the EPL who'd spend that much on a keeper then pay him him north of 100k per week. Maybe only a few who could do a deal like that, how many of them need a keeper right now?

Personally I think only Newcastle or Spurs could afford to pay both what United want and what Henderson would demand.

Do they need a keeper that much this summer?


7.) 13 Jun 2022 15:27:36
Ken there is a lot of talk around him about his attitude, maybe that is a big problem.


8.) 13 Jun 2022 15:40:36
Maybe the top clubs don’t see him good enough to be number 1 but to expensive to be number 2 and Henderson doesn’t see any club below maybe 8th as a good move for him?!


9.) 13 Jun 2022 16:07:39
Agreed ports which again comes back to his attitude, I very much doubt you will ever see him as number 1 for any top 6 club, he thinks he is great in his own head!


10.) 13 Jun 2022 17:29:44
It was always hype surrounding him with little substance. He did well at Shef Utd but there are other keepers who have done just as well for longer who would be cheaper and on less wages.

I'm all for players having confidence but everything that emanated from his camp has just been a PR charm offensive. How he would only come back to United as number 1, he would be England's GK for a decade, no interest on going on another loan. These all smack of a man who has delusions of grandeur. Iv said it countless times on here, the man done nothing to warrant being United number 1 let alone oust our best player of the last decade.

The club wet the bed and pandered to his demands because they were terrified of him leaving and being a success and having a weak man like Ole in charge compounded the issue with his flip flopping over the situation.

He's good enough to be number one somewhere but not at United. He should have went out on loan for another year or two but his ego wouldn't allow it. He skipped many rungs on the ladder to deserving our number 1 spot and now the chickens are coming home to roost.


11.) 13 Jun 2022 17:43:15
Perfectly summed up mumbles.


12.) 14 Jun 2022 07:51:47
Nail right on the head Mumbles. Every time I’ve seen him play for us I’m nervous. His shot stopping is average to poor. People talk about his distribution and “command of the area”. Never seen it. It’s total nonsense. First job of a keeper is stop shots. He’s average at best. Fine as a no2 for us for sure no more. DDG is streets ahead of him.


 

 

03 Jun 2022 12:34:51
I'm getting a little confused.
Do we want the manager backed?
Do we want to complain about having to settle for 3rd or 4thchoices.
Yet many of you complaining we are pursuing the managers 1st choice. A player who he sees as pivitol.
Fdj is his 1st choice by all accounts. He will need convincing.
I just want to understand if supporters are more concerned about what they want rather than what the manager wants.
Last time I checked there are no ex epl managers on here so do you all think you know better than eth?

ken

1.) 03 Jun 2022 13:05:13
Makes sense. Let the manager get the players he wants. I just hope we don't spend the summer messing around with transfers that are going nowhere. Just get the players in he wants and let him do his work.


2.) 03 Jun 2022 13:11:31
I want ETH to target the players who will thrive in his system he wants to play. Whilst there is an opportunity to get FDJ then we need to make sure we do all we can if ETH sees him as pivotal to his system.

What I don’t want to happen is what has gone on previously and we end up just chasing him and September comes and he’s not with us. I would love for us to have most business tied up in time for the squad to have a good pre season together.


3.) 03 Jun 2022 13:18:10
EtH needs to be backed. I think it was Carragher who said a manager is at his most powerful just when he starts a new job. Which I kind of agree with.

If the club have gone all out to get the manager then they should go all out to back him in his first window.

I don't think there is an issue with the club seemingly chasing FDJ.

He is a player who the manager has worked with previously.

He fits what the new manager wants in a midfieldr.

He is capable of playing many roles in midfield having previously played at CB for EtH at Ajax on occasions. He can be a deeplying playmaker, a box to box player or even play at No.10. Giving EtH more tactical flexibility with less need for multiple signings.

Plus given Barcelona's current financial plight, they could be willing to sell a player who the manager wants and is actually a regular in their team. As opposed to us normally signing big name flops or players over the hill from teams like Barcelona or Real Madrid.

He will need convincing, obviously. He's first choice for a young and exciting Barcelona side with a club legend as manager. They will play UCL football and challenge for the La Liga title next season.

Moving to a rainy Manchester playing in the Europa League and 2-3 years away from genuinely challenging for major honours.

However, if Barcelona are forced to sell then maybe the lure of his former manager and the guy who gave him his debut might be enough to get him to Old Trafford.

That said if Bayern Munich stumped up the cash as well then we will have a up hill battle on our hands. Fortunately no other clubs have a declared interest, at least yet.

Meaning we are in a one horse race for a player the selling club might be forced to cash in on.

I think we need to trust EtH and his judgement. If he think De Jong is the guy he needs, and he thinks he will give 100% for Manchester United and has the right attitude and mentality then let's back the manager and go for him.

I'd rather have FDJ the managers first choice than say Sander Berge from Sheffield United as 5th choice because he really wants to join United/ is more cost effective for the club.


4.) 03 Jun 2022 13:23:20
What is de Jong going to say ken, “i want out i hate it here and don’t mind upsetting the fans and also leaving my loyalty bonus behind get me to manchester”. ??‍♂️??‍♂️.


5.) 03 Jun 2022 13:27:39
Ken, its more like people not getting who they want. All they do is see a small youtube video of a player who has been linked to us and then that player is seen as the best player to have ever kicked a ball. I couldn't believe when many questioned SMS here.


6.) 03 Jun 2022 13:31:50
never seen SMS, De Jong, Timber Haidara, Nunez -no choice for me but to trust the manager.


7.) 03 Jun 2022 13:35:27
Exactly FZZ.


8.) 03 Jun 2022 14:20:01
We might be a difficult sell to one or two players but that's up to the manager to convince them. If he can then that hopefully shows he has a plan. So far from what we've seen and been told, Timber, De Jong and Nunez are the ones we're looking at first. Until they move elsewhere or we sign others in their place, let them process run out.

It's the 3rd June. I know we'd like to have names confirmed but it's going to be such a hectic few months behind the scenes. Who ever Ten Hag identifies, they're the men we need.


9.) 03 Jun 2022 15:17:48
Support the new manager by buying his first choice players. Give him what Mourinho didn’t get. However don’t get stung by players who are just trying to get a new contract and using us (our naivety when Moyes arrived) Don’t buy 4th choice Fred’s. Don’t push the manager to accept failed players out on loan back as potential first team to save a few quid ( see reports about Andreas Pereira- have we not learned? )
Sit back and see what happens.


10.) 03 Jun 2022 15:23:01
Agree with you fully ken. That Fdj happens to be a star player I guess makes people think we're making the same mistake as pretty much every year in the Ed Woodward era in pursuing star names instead of glaring deficiencies in the squad. Here we happen to be going for a star player who addresses an obvious deficiency. It's new territory for a lot of us!


11.) 03 Jun 2022 15:39:40
We could sign 5 non league players and if we were better than the rubbish we have endured the last season I would be happy.


12.) 03 Jun 2022 18:21:40
ETH needs backing proper backing. If it costs £200m so be it. The alternative is messing up trying to sign players on the cheap, possibly missing out on them or paying stupid amounts for third choices.

ETH needs business done ASAP so he gets max time with his first squad to put his ideas across and ensure they are properly fit.


13.) 03 Jun 2022 18:26:04
That's my point Oakbark.
I would be very doubtful that they can get fdj out of Barcelona but if there is a chance and the manager wants him then they are right to try to see if they can get a deal done.
I'm sure the manager will put a timeframe on it and if they can't get a straight answer move on.
A couple have said above we have been caught like that in the past. The only way that is acceptable is if the manager says fdj or nobody.
Of course these media led days this could be Barcelona trying to whip up interest from others and not united led who knows.
Sms is a very good player I've no idea if both sms and fdj are wanted or just one of them.
It's going to be a long summer waiting for the ins and outs to be finalised before we can look forward to the football starting.


14.) 03 Jun 2022 21:55:58
Eth will hopefully be buying players to fit his system. For the past 9 years, we've been buying players with individual skills but no idea what system they need to play.
As I said previously, I don't rate FDJ, but if ETH needs him to fit his system, then the club has to do whatever they can to bring him in.


15.) 03 Jun 2022 22:10:24
Your best post ever Ken.


 

 

16 May 2022 09:02:07
Eth looking to start early. Love the sound of that.
I'm very much looking forward to the start of next season. It will be a unique season with a break for the world Cup I think that It will play havoc with the status quo and there will be a lot of disruption and odd results post the wc break.
I can't wait to see what our squad looks like at the close of the window.
I have a few hopes.
1. I hope ronaldo stays
2. I hope mata pogba lingard matic martial Fred bailly awb leave
3. I hope maguire is stripped of captaincy and it would be great if he is sold too.
4. I hope some of our youth players are integrated into the squad.
5. I hope that eth can improve some players dramatically. Rash and Bruno in particular.
6. I hope RR has as little interaction as possible with players and has no input into training.
7. I hope eth can convince his top targets to join the revolution.
Ole destroyed this squad he destroyed every principle the club stood for. It will take some time to reinstall standards and work ethic but for the first time since sir Alex retired we have a coach that is wanted by the majority of the fan base. We have been let down very badly as fans by the previous manager but we have for the 1st time in years an opportunity to turn the tide and start building something positive. A build that will happen on the sound foundations of a coach that knows what he is doing and a coach that knows how he will go about his business.
For me this is a watershed moment and one that is long overdue.
The only way is up.
Have a nice great day all.

ken

1.) 16 May 2022 09:30:37
One name that seems to be forgotten with promising young United players is Dylan Levitt: anyone know anything about how ready he might be to challenge for a first team squad place next year?

Think he’s a really solid midfielder with good range of passing; also that he’s won Dundee’s fans’ player of the year? Though think his contract is up with United this year?

On a par with Garner - or better?

Anyone been watching him?


2.) 16 May 2022 09:34:21
Given the performances of the first team squad this season, all of our loan players plus youth deserve a chance.


3.) 16 May 2022 10:22:38
Good post Ken and can't disagree with the sentiment or the hopes. Have a soft spot for Fred so hope he stays and they play him correctly as the past few years they have not. RR input should the conultancy role remain will be around set up and transfers going forward, don't see any input on the training ground or players.
Definitely a watershed moment for the club that I hope they embrace, the fans are ready to come on board and support even if the early stages are bumpy, just give us the correct recruitment, style of play and cohesion behind the scenes.
Looking forward to next year. can't be any worse!


4.) 16 May 2022 10:36:22
Agree with all your points ken.
First I thought let's keep fred, but should we? Are Dylan Levitt or garner or Galbraith worse than fred?
I find it unlikely Fred might go but I wouldn't care if he left.
I would definitely put Telles on the out list as he's terrible. Fred at LB could be something that actually could work as backup. He definitely has the engine room going for him.

With the team playing like this, atleast 10+ players should be let go no matter how.

I don't think I've ever been so excited since Ole.
I really hope we sign 4-5 players that nobody has a clue about and then 2-3 of them become regulars.
This 70m de Jong signings don't really work as the pressure of the price tag and the pressure to perform in a broken team gets to them.
ETH has a pool of atleast 30 maybe even 40 players to choose from.
If he feels Andreas Pereira is someone he wants to keep I'll back him. If he moves on de gea and keeps hendo as #1 I will back him.
He sells rashford but keeps martial on I'll back him.
I can really see 5-5 breakout stars next season signings and our youth team included.
Infact I think we are going to make top 4 easily.


5.) 16 May 2022 11:25:45
It’s like you read my mind Ken ? ETH looks to be setting an early precedent on work ethic, let’s hope the players get on board.


6.) 16 May 2022 11:29:19
Wallace, Levitt is probably one our most technically gifted midfield players on the books at the club. However the main concern is physicality.

I think is contract is up, we have the option of an extension. However not fair to waste a year of the lad’s career. Will be interesting to see what happens though, hopefully he’s been well watched and if presented to EtH he can decide if he wants a closer look.

He will make a very good career for himself, whether here or elsewhere.


7.) 16 May 2022 11:58:36
Thanks for taking the time to reply Caolan_2.


8.) 16 May 2022 12:07:25
Nice post Ken and can't argue with any of that.
All for taking the captaincy away from Maguire as hopefully he won't be first choice next season, but would be surprised if he was sold. He would do a much better job elsewhere but we would lose a huge whack on him.
Hope ETH is looking at the players training right now and his brain is ticking over with plenty of big discussions to be had from the outset.


9.) 16 May 2022 13:16:34
Let’s be fair guys. ETH is a professional. He’ll make up his mind on players within about 60 seconds of watching their performances in matches and performance data, training videos and data, and feedback from RR on culture fit.


10.) 16 May 2022 13:35:03
Will be interesting if EtH is in the stands at Palace to see how hard our team work.


11.) 16 May 2022 14:52:46
I doubt it, not much to be gained from watching a one off end of season game with absolutely nothing to play for.


12.) 16 May 2022 14:58:31
Agree with most of the OP’s points. However, I’d keep Fred at the club, despite his failings he’s got decent work rate in a lacklustre squad. Maguire needs to go at all costs, huge mistake but he’s not the first nor will he be the last. Time to put our hands up and let him go for whatever we can get for him. Regarding Mata, I’d actually give him another 12 months. Yeah he’s old and his legs are gone, but he can still keep hold of the ball and he’d be great working with some of the young lads.

I’m not going to criticise Ole, he’s a United legend and when you look at where we went after we sacked him…. didn’t make his tenure all that bad. I actually feel sorry for him, we finished 2nd, he brought in the players we’d identified…. and then the rug got pulled from under him. Whether we care to admit it, the signing of Ronaldo was the beginning of the end for him. I’m not saying he was the right man for the job…. he wasn’t due to his tactical inept. All I know is that inside Old Trafford it was a nicer place to be than when RR was/ is at the helm.

Regarding the young ‘un’s and players we have on loan, they should all get a chance to impress the new manager. However, history tells us that most players sent on loan rarely come back and kick on. I’d like to see the likes of Garner etc have a year at a premier league club then reassess. Doing it in the Championship/ in Scotland is one thing, doing it at Old Trafford is another.

Excited for next season, but more importantly I’m excited that we are actually giving a top manager full autonomy over the playing side. This is what’s been missing in my opinion.


13.) 16 May 2022 15:02:34
60 seconds Eric? Seems long with this lot.


14.) 16 May 2022 16:09:29
Fireman. You feel sorry for him? I'd ban him from the club for life and remove any lingering memorabilia etc. The guy stinks from high heaven and put this club back years. Totally incompetent in every aspect of his job. A complete joke. But thankfully the nightmare is over despite the odd flashback we all have.
Good squad player in his day but no more.
It's onwards and upwards from here and eth can rebuild from the mess he created. He was our least successful manager for over 50 years that was here for more than a season. No feeling sorry for him no pity just relief that he has gone and relief he has been exposed for the fraud he was.


15.) 16 May 2022 16:15:42
Ole destroyed this squad?! Behave.


16.) 16 May 2022 16:28:42
I disagree Ken, I think you’ll find that the hire and fire philosophy is what put us back years. I could even argue that Moyes should have been given more time.

Look at his record Ken. His win percentage was actually the third highest of ANY United manager and even though he didn’t win any trophies that 2nd last year was a hell of an achievement. And we only failed to win the Europa League by missing out on a lottery penalty shoot.

I agree he should have gone as tactically he wasn’t up to been an elite head coach. However, again when you look at the numbers I think your criticism is pretty harsh……and to be honest……a bit unfounded.


17.) 16 May 2022 16:35:13
Ken,

Great player for us, poor manager in the end up. It’s that simple. He was hired by amateurs to do a job, and probably should have been removed by those amateurs. I have no doubt he did his best, it wasn’t good enough. End of story really.

In my opinion, I think you misdirect your anger. You’ll disagree, but that’s the beauty of opinions. We all have them.


18.) 16 May 2022 17:20:09
Sounds like Solskjaer never responded to a fans letter. Spoke previously about right managers, right time. Solskjaer in my opinion was the right manager at that time after Mourinho. If Mourinho thinks his biggest success in football is finishing 2nd with this group of players, Solskjaer did this, got to a European final and a couple of Semi Finals. He probably should have gone the following season after the European final and let someone else take it on but that was never going to happen and why would he walk away from it. Mourinho also said that people don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes. Well Solskjaer was in the same position and same situation. Mourinho tried one tact with this lot, they let him down, Solskjaer tried a different tact, they did the same.


19.) 16 May 2022 18:41:56
Fireman. He is the only manager in 50 years to win nothing bar moyes who was not there for a season.
He spent more than any previous manager. His buys are all worth less than he they paid.
What numbers are you looking at. He after 3 seasons and 500m didn't get as good a points total as his toxic predecessor.
He took over a team who had been in 4 finals in 3 seasons winning 3 of them. Not harsh enough on him I'd say.


20.) 16 May 2022 21:57:38
That Second place Ole got was a second place when Liverpool were decimated by Injuries in a C.V. packed schedule.

Chelsea on a transfer band with half a season under a poor Lampard.

Arsenal on a rebuild with an Arteta who was struggling.

Tottenham a two man team under a manager they didn't like after having a manager they did.

The schedule was compressed with little preseason and less time for coaching. Uniteds expensively assembled squad were able to rely on moments of Individual skill to get some results and sneak second in a poor year.

I then think this year as normality returned all the frailties of the previous season were exposed as tactically and coaching wise we had not developed.

I don't bare any malice towards Ole, he will always have that moment in extra time in the ECL for which he will always be remembered for. But he wasn't a good manager, he got too long simply because of 99 and it pained many fans to turn on what is fundamentally a decent man.


21.) 16 May 2022 22:28:46
Injury time not extra.


22.) 17 May 2022 09:39:37
The whole Moyes should have been given more time argument kills me, 5 minutes was too much time.


23.) 17 May 2022 10:31:40
Well considering Fergie hand picked Moyes, I think we owed it to him to give him a fair shot. All fans who shout “he’s rubbish” and “we shouldn’t have given him 5 minutes” they know more than Sir Alex do they? It’s like any inner circle, people in football know who’s decent and who isn’t. Surely then if Moyes was useless SAF wouldn’t have given his blessing?

All about opinions of course. But based on Sir Alex opinion we should have given him more time. At the end of the day, Pep wouldn’t have come in and done any different with the squad he inherited.


24.) 17 May 2022 10:48:13
Fireman, even Fergie has said Moyes was never first choice. He mentioned Pep, Ancelotti and Jose in his books.


25.) 17 May 2022 11:19:41
Fair do’s then. Never read his books.

Games all about opinions and I respect others points of view.


26.) 17 May 2022 11:42:36
I think Moyes has found his level, the overachieving underdog was exactly what he did at Everton. He has done brilliant things at West Ham recently. Unfortunately for us he just couldn't get it done. It was always going to be the hardest job in the world following up from Fergie, never mind having to deal Woodward lol.

Seems a decent bloke does Moyes, and I am glad he has rebuilt his reputation. A good manager, but just not one of the greats.


 

 

 

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01 Jul 2022 15:52:57
Ed002. I think you have well documented the players that united have made available for sale.
Not withstanding some of them have had in different form, imo some of that can be laid at our coaches and ex managers door, what are the major issues for them leaving.
Do we ask too much money?
Is there a complete lack of interest?
Are their terms too hard to match?
Perhaps a combination of all 3.
I think they are all decent players at most levels but have possibly been at the wrong club at the wrong time.
I'm surprised that there has been no real acceptable offers for the likes of martial, bailly, awb. Telles Shaw dalot. Tuanzebe and Jones being injured a lot I can understand a bit more.
Thanks for any insights.

ken

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I don't see any harm in the rumour and don't think there is any truth to it
Takes the focus of other uncompleted transfers for 12 hours.
He did leave with a sour ending and probably regrets that episode to some degree.
Most fans will have said worse about the club the owners or coaches and players at some point including All of us.
As a stop gap I'm not sure how fit and agile he is these days so not sure he is even an upgrade on Heaton.
But we are a little short on big characters and experienced senior pros so I'd welcome him back despite the public spat which is not what anybody wants to see.

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Romeo said nothing worse about the club than most fans on here shappy including yourself.

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30 Jun 2022 15:44:36
I'd be delighted to have him back. One of oles victims. Now the bell end is gone he would be happier here i'm sure.

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28 Jun 2022 13:39:18
I'm not sure he did sign Halesini.
I think he signed an intent to sign which left chelsea owing us compensation.

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02 Jul 2022 22:19:40
I didn't make a point I asked you a couple of simple questions.

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02 Jul 2022 22:18:37
AaA. Nobody expects you to lie in anything. Nothing is expected from you by the glazers, absolutely nothing.
Until the device to sell nothing will change in terms of them taking money from their own company.
The debt to value ratio sees them quids in you need to get over this. They have different objectives to you and no amount of crying is going to Change that.
Evey penny the club make belongs to them and the other shareholders. They can do ajar they like with it.
They are not trading wreklessly and finances are in fine shape from their perspective.
They have invested over 1 billion of their own money in new players and you complain about them taking out 25m a year.
You need to look at it without a fans hat on.
They will have no financial concerns at all. You and others are worry over something you have no control over nor do you understand the finances very well its laughable imo.

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02 Jul 2022 14:54:21
How many ex posh graduates have gone on to play for England or the top epl teams again?

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02 Jul 2022 14:53:11
AaA. No real enthusiasm to improve ivest and improve the players.
AaA?
Name owners that have spent more on players and investing in the team than our owners?

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01 Jul 2022 09:53:11
Declined? That's nonsense. Youth team excelled last year.
A lot of the best players are not English.
We might have half a dozen representing Holland next year??.

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