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20 Jul 2019 14:52:48
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20 Jul 2019 14:48:51
We've had.
Busby's Babes
Fergie's Fledglings

Ole's embryos? 🐣.

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20 Jul 2019 14:21:58
I know it's only pre-season, but when you see young academy lads like Chong and Greenwood combining, McTominay pinging passes around like a young Michael Carrick, or Gomez in the last game, I feel so much more pride in my team, than watching a bunch of over-paid, and often over-hyped mercenaries strutting around like the club owes them something. I just hope that people are patient with our kids, and don't start on them when the inevitable dip in form happens. They're cheering the heart of an aul cynic, just now.

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20 Jul 2019 14:26:27
100% agree. The best United teams have always had a solid core of young players.

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20 Jul 2019 14:28:36
It’s been a joy to watch at times today Stevie. I’m actually buzzing for the season to start. Screw all the doom and gloom I think we will surprise a few.

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20 Jul 2019 14:29:55
The future is bright

• Scott McTominay [22]
• Tahith Chong [19]
• Dan James [21]
• Marcus Rashford [21]
• Anthony Martial [23]
• Mason Greenwood [17]
• Axel Tuanzebe [21]
• Aaron Wan-Bissaka [21]
• Diogo Dalot [20]
• James Garner [18]
• Angel Gomes [18].

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20 Jul 2019 14:33:24
I'm not one to get carried away but Mason Greenwood wow! What a prospect!

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20 Jul 2019 14:33:57
Yeah Noucamp.
Chong with some classic wing play.

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20 Jul 2019 14:34:20
Greenwood has all the attributes to be a star, i think he is going to be our next start, he should teach Rashy how to put the ball in the net lol.

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20 Jul 2019 14:39:14
Greenwood is stating a case that he is ready and I’m not sure that’s wrong, I would be delighted if he steps up, he was amazing last year for the kids, he’s some talent.

For the first time in a long time I actually like some of our players and like the style of play, very exciting.

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20 Jul 2019 14:48:35
That goal from Mason was reminiscent of RvP. The bit of skill to get past Skriniar was amazing too, what a talent. No fear in these lads.

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20 Jul 2019 13:55:23
What a player AWB has been today. he will have heavy pockets going to china.

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20 Jul 2019 14:35:19
Why would he go to china? He looks like the best signing we have made since fergie left. Absolute best, no nonsense type of defender.

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20 Jul 2019 14:50:27
I think he meant for our next game, Reman :)

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20 Jul 2019 13:31:41
Some lovely football in the first half Vs Inter.
You can see how Ole wants us to play. Speed pressing intensity.

Obi Wan Bissaka, showing Jedi skills.
Matic brought a lot to the base of midfield.
I think you can see how Bruno Ferndandes at 10 will bring another level to the team.
Axel looking composed, i'd forget ol' slab head and give Axel a shot this season.

Looking forward to the 2nd Half.
Particularly Gomes, who can push on this season especially with Europa League and should be replacing Lingard in 2-3 seasons, Lionel Greenwood, going to be better than Mbappe, Andreas offering something similar but different to Pogba.

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20 Jul 2019 13:53:07
Lingard disappointing, Rashford quieter, James busy but wasteful

Axel and Lindelof decent, latter doing lots of talking

Wan Bissaka SUPER HUMAN nothing gets past him (and rarely wastes a pass)

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20 Jul 2019 14:07:57
We can't go into the season with centre halfs we have now.


Its preseason we are going to be playing much better teams

I agree the central defenders have been decent but Maguire if we get the guy will add something different than what we have currently.


It's gone pretty stale about bruno I hope we ain't look at something else he would be a good player to have playing the way we have been.

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20 Jul 2019 14:12:31
Greenwood. What a striker!

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20 Jul 2019 14:35:33
On Centre Backs⤵️

Don't underestimate how much having a good Right Back will improve those around them.

Weaknesses at full back often means CBs are out of position as they cover space and CDM ends up much deeper dragging the whole team deeper and out of position make the counter attacks weaker too. Think about the covering work the wingers need to put in, when we want them up the pitch.

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20 Jul 2019 14:37:17
Greenwood is the next big star coming from the academy. Bissaka well what can i say? a beast. now we need a very attacking minded right winger to play in front of him and our dimension of play will change a lot.

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20 Jul 2019 14:41:48
I would play Greenwood on the right.

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20 Jul 2019 13:11:53
Poor Wes Brown. He's no Hugh McIlvanney, is he.

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20 Jul 2019 10:04:47
SAF used to say there is no value in the market and seeing some of the prices being waited for a variety of players never has that been more true. Madrid and Juve May want Pogba but they both have players they can’t shift so it looks like they can’t afford him. The fee for Maguire is ridiculous especially when you see De Ligt went for a lot less and we know others are available for lower fees. We are holding out for a higher price for Lukaku, a player who doesn’t figure in Ole’s plans.

There is value to be had if you shop carefully but it is getting harder and harder. Surely the way forward is youth development. I know everyone does it but how well do they do it, as clearly some do it far better than others. I’m not just talking playing skills but psychology, education, lifestyle. Instead of buying a player for £x00 million we should be investing massively in facilities and youth development with a view to growing our own. Part of this (nods head to Red Man) is having a solid identity and culture. This is how we behave, this is how we do things round here, if you want to join then you need to fit with in. Under SAF and the British core I think we had that but sadly it has been ripped apart. We can buy as many big names as we want but it’s all a bit random and disjointed.

The current (apparent) approach focusing on young energetic players is welcome and hopefully lessons have been learned. Sadly, I doubt it.

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20 Jul 2019 11:01:03
AJH

SAF said there was no value in the market when players like Aguero, Hazard, Silva were available. The reason was more likely that the financial support was not there from above. When they sold Ronaldo in 2009 it propped up the financial accounts, enabling a profit rather than a loss.

Thanks for the nod. For years I have banged on about defining a strategy based on what the club want to be. When they brought LvG in, I recall he had been the one at Barcelona who actually wrote down and defined what Cruyff had envisaged. Maybe, I thought, Woodward would use that strategic knowledge to define the future, instead LvG’s sacking demonstrated there was no greater thought process behind the appointment, meaning it was very questionable judgement appointing him. Any business needs to have a direction, any part of the business needs to know that and work together towards the aim, the strategic aim. We just lost that direction when SAF retired, it seems it was all driven by him and not those above him.

A British core, a youth system is part of our culture but until the strategic aim is as one from the Glazers down we will remain disorganised and likely unsuccessful.

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20 Jul 2019 11:08:17
I wrote in at the end of last season that we should rip this squad up and start again with youth. That was me being incredibly angry with how we finished the season, coupled with the fact that some of our players are happy to collect their high wages, have the Man Utd crest next to their instagram picture, but not actually deserve to play for our club one bit.

I am happy with the direction that Ole seems to going. We need to veer away from signing players that are surplus to requirements at other top clubs. We players that are hungry and want to succeed and make the step up.

Even with the class of 92 emerging, Fergie still had the squad packed full of British transfer record signings, old pros, continental flair.

If you have aspirations of winning trophies then the academy isn't enough alone. For teams lower down the division it is a no brainer. 9 games and Longstaff could make Newcastle a lot of money. Ajax have made more money off De Jong and De Ligt then the last 10 season in the Eredivise.

We have some awesome prospects coming through the pipeline. If Ole can get 2 or 3 into our squad then he has pulled up trees. But the squad needs to get back to getting players that want to make the step up. Not players that Madrid no longer fancy.

Make no bones about it. The squad we have have underperformed individually and as a team for years. If Ole can get an extra 20% out of our better player, and add a few more to the team, realistically we should be aiming for top 3.

The kids are the future, but you also need some wise heads in the squad to guide them.

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20 Jul 2019 11:10:51
But is De Ligt acually worth the reported £77m fee? Nowhere near it, Maguire won't be much more than either, though both are very overrated and overpriced.

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20 Jul 2019 11:13:02
Well said ajh, I also think we need to get away from what a player cost there are far to many variables.

Maguire and de ligt are in very different circumstances, Leicester have epl money behind them probably don't want to sell there best player and have if tied to a long term contract . Why would they sell him for a fair price?
United may feel that for various reasons paying x amount is justified.
Every transfer is a gamble there are no sure things, but there is always bigger picture .
United may feel that to improve the team they need to address certain areas with players that have the correct attributes and complement the other players. To buy a, b, c and d that may cost 250mil, but if that combination may well be worth more than the sum of its parts . Which is how you build a team .
A player may be worth 20 mil to one team but 40 to another.

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20 Jul 2019 11:43:49
Got to say is ole not moving us towards what is considered our core values? And people want him sacked.

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20 Jul 2019 12:04:16
Great thread boys enjoyed reading all that 👍.

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20 Jul 2019 12:15:05
I would just like to add,

Daniel James and Wan-Bissaka are both very good young talents.

Youngsters thrive in teams that are on the up, not teams that need to be rebuilt.

Perfect example, Trent Alexander Arnold. Young players need a stable squad environment to improve.

Take the Fergie Era when Beckham, Scholes etc hit the ground running.

To ask youngsters to improve your current status is a recipe for disaster. Wan-Bissaka has a massive transfer fee hanging over him. If he does not deliver it is bedtime.

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20 Jul 2019 12:24:50
Very good post jred.
There are only 2 valuations that matter. The price the selling club want and the price the buyers are prepared to pay.
If the decision is player x can fix problems in the team and compliment others and is seen as a good fit by those that make the decisions then he is worth more than what can be described as his "market value"
If player x and the team succeed his percieved market value is likely to increase.
Lots of players move for big money and kots for little money. There are no guarantees or very few anyway.
Barca. Dembele couts and malcom semedo nearly 350m none have been a huge success and are all for sale.
Neymar draxler di maria 300m all for sale at psg
We have a list of our own.
Build a strong core and base and add to it with flair if required or strength or muscle piece by piece.
Get the core right get the principles right and you have a much better chance.
I like what's happening with a cb and at least 1 more cm 2 preferably we should be in a really good spot.
The pogba situation needs to be classified sooner rather than later as that's the only potential de-railer i see to upset pre season.

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20 Jul 2019 09:26:52
LFC fan in peace.

I think it is fair to say that UTD have foubd themselves in the exact same position as Liverpool were until Klopp arrived to turn things around.

UTD's problems run much deeper though. For you guys to get back on track is going to take a miracle.

Ole is not the answer for you guys but he is a very small part of the problem.

The likes of Pogba are running the show, is another big problem you have. Your squad quite honestly just is not good enough. Not taking a stab just being honest.

Ole does not have the pulling power to attract big names and you guys are no fighting it out with Westham and Everton. Champions League is the only way to attract the bigger names plus a manager capable of getting you there.

If UTD do not get rid of Pogba before the window closes it will create even more unrest in your dressing room.

UTD's transfer strategy since Fergie left quite honestly has been the biggest downfall for UTD.

Another thing, UTD financially can afford their bills but your team probably has the biggest debt in the league which ain't a good thing. The more and more yous miss out on CL, the worse things will get.

First thing yous need to do is get in a manager who has a vision to sort yous out. Forget a DOF and sad to say that Ole going to be the reason why you guys will not make top 4 again, that and pricing Pogba out of a move.

Good luck for the new season though.

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20 Jul 2019 09:55:17
I can’t decide if you are trying to be constructive or on a wind up. Klopp won the Champions League last year which was a great achievement but so far that’s it. I’d also remind you that it’s 30 years since you won the league so whilst you are competing and have a great team, you’ve some way to go to class yourself as successful.

As for United you’ve not shared anything we don’t already know or haven’t debated to death on here. However, fighting it out with Everton and West Ham? I think you’ve banged your head.

We are under no illusions that there is a quick fix and opinions remain divided on how we recover but as long as we don’t stoop to the wailing and whining we’ve seen from Liverpool fans for the last 20 years then I’m happy.

Final point, there is no such word as yous.

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20 Jul 2019 10:02:01
I think it’s fair to say you’ve come looking a reaction lol. There’s no balance to your post, completely one sided and like i say aimed at getting a negative reaction from people.

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20 Jul 2019 10:03:32
You’re right Max, the accumulation of poor decisions over the last decade has landed us in a deep mess. However, whether Ole is the right man or not, I do believe we’re starting to sort things out:

1. We can’t do much about the likes of Sanchez but at least we refused to give wave parity to DDG, thus sending a non-mercenary message to others who are thinking short term

2. We’re bringing in younger players who will see us through transition and not buying short term older players

3. The youth set up looks more promising, with players coming through and the academy production line looking more healthy

4. Ole, despite his perceived naivety, will start the revolution needed, though maybe not end it, but st least he’ll have laid some foundations

5. I fully expect Lukaku to go, this changing the way we play back to a faster, more punter stacking style that gave us previous success

6. Not sure if Pogba will go. If he carries on like he’s started in preseason, then might be blessing that he stays. If he goes, club will continue to invest in young hungry players.

7. DDG might stay/ go. If goes, then we have a very capable keeper in Romero, plus a future England goalkeeper in Henderson.

8. If we sign Maguire then he will really improve out defence; even maybe creating the backbone for England in AWB, Maguire and Shaw.

9. Bruno Fernandes looks likely, a player who hopefully will be Silva-like I’m unlocking defences.

So yes, Max, it was a bit of a dark place at the end of last season but I can definitely see the light at the end of the tunnel.

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20 Jul 2019 10:54:33
Take your liverpool glasses off pal. Your post is more in hope than anything else of what you want to happen to us. We are not in the same position at all as when Klopp came in your just a very good cup team and need to relax.

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20 Jul 2019 11:41:40
Definitely did not post to wind anyone up.

You guys need to face the facts that you yous have tumbled down the ladder and continue to do so at a rapid pace.

Not going to add anything further but will check in halfway through the season to see how yous all are.

Once again, good luck.

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20 Jul 2019 12:32:50
Haha this is an amazing post Max, made me really laugh, the arrogance of a Liverpool team with 1 trophy in 6 years is absolutely genius, I can’t wait for this season to not be as good and the inevitable crash.

In what way are we tumbling down the ladder at a rapid pace? We have finished no lower than 7th for 30 years 😂

If you were not posting to wind anyone up you would have posted a balanced post pointing out the clear positives that we have in our team, the negatives have been done to death. What you posted was what you hope and are desperately wishing is the case rather than what is actually happening.

The arrogance and total ignorance from a fan of a team who hasn’t won a league title for 30 years is at best misguided, at worst hilarious.

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20 Jul 2019 12:44:58
People seem to forget that OGS has won titles in Norway, yes it may not be a big European league but he still has got his team over the line. Cardiff did get relegated with him but they seem to be one of those yoyo teams who are constantly up and down. Even the great Jorgen klopp has been relegated with Mainz. There seems to be a bit of negativity around OGS, give the guy a chance, let's see what he can do.

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20 Jul 2019 13:00:29
Jeepers, you guys are making me come back for more.

Ed002 mentioned that appointing Mourinho was a bad idea and then appointing Ole no better.

Face it guys, long road ahead.

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20 Jul 2019 13:42:09
*Currently spraying Lynx into the garden*

I hear a little more climate change and sea level will rise making Warrington a costal town and Anfield aquatic.

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20 Jul 2019 08:36:55
Hi guys, Long time reader but don't really post much. Was having this argument with a colleague the other day and feel it's relevant for this group too having read some of the comments. I'll use maguire as an example, according to the press Leicester want 80+ million and near on all fans are saying he ain't worth it but I feel its irrelevant. Leicester DO NOT want to sell him so they have stuck a fee on him to scare us off. If we want the player we have to meet what they want simple as that, whether he be viewed as worth it or not. Either that or walk away. It really bugs me when people say he ain't worth x blah blah. He is to the selling club!

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20 Jul 2019 08:57:23
Bang on strebor.
Is pogba worth 180. Not in my opinion but if madrid want him that's the price.

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20 Jul 2019 11:11:35
If X player is worth that, then Y player must be worth that is such a nonsense way to look at transfers.

Leicester are ambitious and are financially sound. We want to sign one of their best players who has just signed a long term deal. The price is whatever Leicester want. We either pay, or we move on.

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20 Jul 2019 07:39:02
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 20th July 2019

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20 Jul 2019 01:41:35
Must be a exciting season ahead for your mob, to see if you can stay in the premiership next season, at least there will be something riding on every game, #webelieveinole.

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20 Jul 2019 06:13:45
#stalebanterking.

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20 Jul 2019 07:22:02
Happy 30th mighty.

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20 Jul 2019 07:22:38
You really give Liverpool posters a bad name.

Most are really decent fans who are rightly enjoying your well-deserved current successes.

And all you can do is post childish provocative comments hoping for a reaction.

Hang your head in shame.

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20 Jul 2019 07:43:20
Wallace,

Successes? 1 trophy in 6 years.

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20 Jul 2019 08:29:43
#willliverpooleverwinthepremierleague.

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{Ed025's Note - at this juncture mike...they have a far better chance than utd mate even though it pains me to say it..

20 Jul 2019 08:32:11
🤦‍♂️, I would love to stick up for you mighty but I can’t.
Let’s just enjoy where we are as a club, after the years of hodgson I don’t know how long it will last!

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20 Jul 2019 12:34:49
Ed025,

They certainly do this year, not as much chance as city though and it seems very strange to me that Liverpool fans are trying to bait us without winning it for 30 years. I’d expect them on here all summer if they won the league, the internet might have been replaced by something else by then though.

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{Ed025's Note - i would say its 50/50 between them and city GDS, my life will be a living hell if they do win it though mate.. :)



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