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03 Aug 2019 14:20:49
I’ve loved reading the posts this week and for what it’s worth, here’s my view.

Maguire is not necessarily the greatest defender but he seems like a big character and as has been said he is better than what we have. The price is irrelevant to me, fees are soon forgotten (unlike wages) . I think he will settle quickly and make a difference.

AWB looks a quality buy in a position where we have struggled so I’m confident that will look a steal as the season progresses.

James has huge potential, looking forward to seeing how he develops.

Dybala I don’t want. No idea where it came from and we really shouldn’t be entertaining it. Fancy name, not pulled up any trees for a couple of years, really don’t see where he fits in.

Fernandes look quality and would be a good signing and if we are interested then I have no idea why it is taking so long.

We need to ship Pogba out as quickly as possible, assuming anyone has made any sort of sensible offer. I don’t buy the line that he’s really popular. If he isn’t committed to the cause then he needs to leave.

Sanchez also needs to go. I’d even let him go on a free or nominal fee as it would free up at least £15M because of his ridiculous contract.

Lukaku also needs to go and again I’d take the best offer that is on the table. We may lose on the fees but the benefit to team spirit and morale of shipping out players who don’t want to be her is immense. There’s a bunch of other players we need to move on and again we should make it attractive to potential buyers. Darmian and Rojo for starters.

Imagine those 5 gone, 4 new signings (I’m assuming a CM is coming), and a few from the youth promoted. The feel and mood will be lifted and with the extra fitness and energy, with everyone committed and pulling in the same direction, who knows where we will get to.

I fear there is not enough time left to move players on but for me that is just as important on bringing new ones in.


1.) 03 Aug 2019 14:37:38
It would be foolish to let pogba leave so late in the window, no chance we have enough time to obtain a replacement.

Saul would fit the bill, but that would be a complicated deal and there are questions marks over whether he would even want to come.

Are SMS or fernandes as good as pogba? if looked at objectively you would say they were not on his level.

Dybala is probably the clearest route to getting rid of lukaku as inter milan are unable to source the funds to do a deal, so this swap deal is a pretty good compromise to get rid of a player who doesn't fit oles style and bring in a player who does.

25, 5 year contract means we have plenty of scope to get a resale value when he inevitably pines for a move to madrid or Barcelona like pogba. Could be a shrewd bit of business by the club.

2.) 03 Aug 2019 14:49:29
DSG, if you put my reservations aside, Ed002 has said Dybala doesn’t want to come. If he’s having to be convinced then we shouldn’t do it,

3.) 03 Aug 2019 15:15:18
Tony do you honestly expect Dybala to happily want to leave a team with Ronaldo and several stars which is guaranteed at least a major trophy and also UCL football every season and come over to us because we are Manchester United?

That ship has sailed!

No matter how attractive a team is, it still has to make an effort to appeal to a prospective player.

4.) 03 Aug 2019 15:18:42
I honestly think you will be surprised how many player would not want to join us this summer. No champions league is a big loss especially in a window where bayern, real, Barcelona and juve are all making big deals.

Look at sancho, he realised that coming to united this window would be not be ideal for his development when we are undergoing significant changes and his development was much better suited staying at dortmund.

Does that mean we shouldn't go in for him next summer when we will still need to convince him we are the right club with the right stability for him to continue his development?

Dybala is an oppurtune signing granted but if he does join it won't be against his will, quite a few player over the year have needed to be convinced/ persuaded to join clubs.

5.) 03 Aug 2019 15:23:18
I really don't get why people would wants Pogba to stay. Old may say all the right things about Pogba having a great attitude blah blah blah, but the player clearly wants out.
If we keep hold of him against his wishes we will just have the same circus every transfer window. It's unsettling for everyone, including Old, despite what he may say in public.

Pogba is obviously talented and is a match winner on his day. I understand that, but keeping an unhappy player is counter productive.

On the flip side, we shouldn't be forced to sell him on the cheap. But over inflating his price so that he is effectively priced out of a more is daft in my opinion.

Despite the fact that some fans 'hero worship' some players, Pogba is not worthy of that label. Talent is nothing without application, effort and desire and Mr Pogba is severely lacking in the later.

6.) 03 Aug 2019 15:35:43
Until last week his name hadn’t come up, nobody on here had suggested we try and buy him or he would add anything to our team. Now suddenly many are drooling over him and I don’t get it. We should have learned from Di Maria. He doesn’t want to come, allegedly he wants £350K a week, allegedly his agent wants £13M, it’s possibly taken our focus from Fernandes. The only positive I can see is we lose Lukaku, that’s about it.

I don’t really buy the Champions League argument. Actually I do buy it and it hacks me off. There’s only a few teams that will win it, and there seems to be a snobbishness that has materialised with players ‘not wanting to take a step down’. I’m not sure how we’ve allowed it to become so important, for me the domestic title is still the biggest trophy by far.

7.) 03 Aug 2019 15:37:47
Of course he needs convincing AJH. He is not a fan like is. He is at a top club where his life family and friends are and you think a good pitch and lots of reassurances are not required.
You don't seem to be the sort of chap to make knee jerk life changing decisions without due consultation and thought process and advice. Do you think dybala should?

8.) 03 Aug 2019 15:56:18
Is aguero not a good example why is it always di Maria.
Do people think aguero was a life long city fan desperate to move to a team that had won nothing for years?
Or did him and his agent need a bit of convincing and a bucket of cash .

I'm not saying we should or shouldn't sign him but there's a bit of a line in the sand starting with one or 2 players,

9.) 03 Aug 2019 16:02:27
Of course he's reluctant. We're not exactly known for stability are we. He enjoys life in Italy and is reluctant to leave. But Juve are forcing him out.

10.) 03 Aug 2019 16:03:54
Madrid have been making sensible offers for Pogba throughout this window.

UTD think they can get more with very little other clubs being able to afford him.

Only a few clubs or so at the over inflated fee and wages able to afford Pogba which sees UTD keeping a player who wants to leave *evil laugh*.

Barcelona not going to sign Pogba.

11.) 03 Aug 2019 16:09:33
What offers have real made?

12.) 03 Aug 2019 16:24:59
Guys AJH has a point. The problem is not there is a convincing required for Dybala. But why to convince a player who is not seen as much needed who is not willing to move to us who will demand monstrous wage who has stalled for the past year. If it is someone who we have identified as main target it's worth going through the trouble. Imagine we sign him and has not really worked out then we will have another player on 350k wages very difficult to move.

13.) 03 Aug 2019 16:35:27
I said the same to shappy last week jred.
People are saying don't sign him he doesn't want to be here. Yet those same purple are saying keep pogba even though he doesn't want to be here.
If dybala comes and he and the team are successful he will love it at United. Just like aguero has done.
Im not desperate for him to sign if he does it would be potentially a very good and exciting signing.

14.) 03 Aug 2019 17:00:59
My wider point is he hadn't been mentioned by anybody, the fans hadn't suggested him nor were the club pursuing him. Suddenly a swap is on, not exactly thought through is it?

15.) 03 Aug 2019 17:02:49
You could say the same with pogba, if go his and uniteds way he may have a change in heart .
Not sure why everything needs to be set in stone .
I'm far from convince dybala would be a good fit in the epl, who who knows.

16.) 03 Aug 2019 17:11:34
Is it possible for a player to come in, not really wanting to come in at first and then change his mind? If he is the consummate professional, he might also put in some decent performances.

Also, he could just say no right now?

17.) 03 Aug 2019 18:00:01
He was mentioned a few month ago, don't know if the reports where true but he was linked a few months back.
But some times a player becomes available and you take a chance, any Cole, king Eric.

Is it possible that a player wants to leave then circumstances change and he changes his mind, Or do we hold it against him for the rest of his career.

18.) 03 Aug 2019 18:01:09
The club have had interest in dybala for 12 months according to ed002. i'm not convinced but he is a very talented player so if he settles it could work out.
Pogba is here and if he stays and does well he may well have a change of heart i agree but i'm not one for keeping unhappy players it usually doesn't work out. We can on my hope it does if he stays.

19.) 03 Aug 2019 19:33:15
Hi jred, not at all. I think if a player has a change of heart and wants to stay, put in the performances etc, he should most definitely get the chance. I think that's quite fair. But definitely no point keeping a player that is unhappy and wants to move. Does this answer work?

Is there a particular player you are talking about or just anyone in general?

20.) 03 Aug 2019 20:00:04
To many to mention to be honest once any one makes a mistake or reportedly does you want them out.
Lazy bad attitude said this said that.

21.) 03 Aug 2019 20:17:14
No, I'd like you to mention them. Very happy to give you my reasons behind everyone.

I'm quite sure that when I have shown my dissatisfaction in a player it is usually merited, justified.

I don't call for players to be bought and sold like in a game of FIFA.

I also am very happy to back good, hard working and loyal players when many dont. Again, when I feel its justified.

Feels like you're just having a pop though. It's something you like to do quite often. I hope I haven't upset you at any point. Or will you hold my opinions against me for the rest of my time posting on here? 😊.

22.) 03 Aug 2019 22:15:30
We have appointed Director of football - it's AJH

All sound decisions taken. 🤫.

23.) 04 Aug 2019 09:23:15
Reading the page the last day or two it’s clear we don’t need any insight from Ed002 as maxlfc knows absolutely everything about our club lol.

24.) 04 Aug 2019 20:42:32
Oh man :P
Wrote a post about how the youngsters are doing, and how you feel about them and this turned into Pogba/ Dybala debate.

25.) 05 Aug 2019 07:31:02
To be honest guys I don't care and the reason is we are focusing on players not playing for our club.
When the focus should be #GlazersOut.



24 Mar 2018 10:31:23
There are some that said Jesse wasn’t good enough and I guess there are still some that think he is at best a squad player but you have to give the lad credit. He keeps popping up scoring important goals and he plays with a smile on his face and seems to enjoy every moment. I’m so pleased for him and I hope he can take that final step and be consistent.


1.) 24 Mar 2018 16:25:04
He has always been highly thought off within the club. It was always accepted that he would take longer to find his feet due to his size. I read an interview with him where he said that Sir Alex always said he would become a real player when he's 25 like Tigana. I wonder how much of him really stepping up this season is down to him feeling that this year was going to be his year.

I did worry when we signed Sanchez as it was going to push either Lingard or Martial out of the side when arguably they we our best two forwards at that time. Maybe its time for Sanchez to be dropped for a game or two and make him fight for his place against players who are in form.

2.) 24 Mar 2018 16:40:40
Shaps, I don’t know why we bought Sanchez other than to stop City buying him. We had needs inother areas way before a left sided attacker was needed and even if he starts firing it just relegates Martial or Rashford. This smacks of Woodward and his marque signing obsession. I don’t want to upset you but if Bale is available you can bet your mortgage Ed will be there waving his chequebook.

3.) 24 Mar 2018 16:46:51
The thing with Jesse is you know he will work on the pitch and not hide. He has proven this year that he has more in the locker than people thought imo but he had the beginnings of a good season couple of years back when he got ani injury early on at Swansea I think. Change of personel and management has not deterred him and I think he has saved us a good few bob on bringing in a n other player.

4.) 24 Mar 2018 16:58:44
I was one of those thinking he wasn't going to be up to it and would be sold, at times I feel foolish, but then he can be anonymous far too often for me (like most of our attacking players) .

I still think in order for us to be competing at the very top we need better than Lingard. But if he improves again as much as he has over the past 18 months then he will deserve a regular berth in a top Utd team.

I love his energy and clever runs, maybe there is even more to come from him once we get back to playing proper attacking football and those runs will be picked out by players that currently refuse the pass and opt for 'safety' instead. I certainly would like him to impact games more consistently as well, 10 seconds of brilliance now and again is good, but we need more than that over a 90 minute match from an attacking midfielder.

5.) 24 Mar 2018 17:39:38
I agree Beastand that was my point about consistency. When he is good he is very good but often you can forget he is on the pitch, which is very frustrating when he gets himself in such good positions and scores such important goals. He needs to turn up for more games than he does, which I think he will if he continues to develop as he has done in the last year. And he is home grown which means a lot to me,

6.) 24 Mar 2018 17:52:11
Does he go missing or as mentioned above is it a case of him making good runs and his team mates not playing the creative pass to find him?

The best players score in the big games, which he does more consistently than those around him. H deserves his place in the team, he works hard, he offers movement and he can finish. I think he will thrive if we add more quality to the midfield. He is a bit of a social media whore, but as long as he performs on the pitch it’s not a problem. I wish pogba put half the effort in he does.

7.) 24 Mar 2018 18:33:58
Agree with all of the posts regarding jesse in some degree, better than dele alli in my opinion who plays a similar role especially this season.

8.) 25 Mar 2018 05:21:49
I must be the only one who doesn't yet rate him. He for me is going through his Smalling patch where player looks good for a season or 2 but with lingard it has only been 2 months rather than the whole season.

He was mostly anonymous until December and has been anonymous for most part since February. That is 2 good months in 3-4 years. Yes he scores some important goals from time to time but he going to have to perform much better to be more than a squad player.

9.) 25 Mar 2018 16:58:04
No MU player apart from De Gea has been sensational for long, playing good for some time and then playing poorly.

10.) 26 Mar 2018 14:14:47
CSM, that's not really fair, even if he's only started looking like a real top player this season, he's actually been doing well for the last couple of years. He was hardly "anonymous" before December anyway. 8 goals and assists in 17 games, 11 of which he played 30 minutes or less in, may not be setting the league on fire, but it's certainly not "anonymous".

Re: the consistency, I'm inclined to agree with Huggy. He's suffering from the way the team is playing, and would have a much more consistent impact if the runs he makes were picked out a bit more often by players behind him. Now, I'm not saying he's doing everything right, maybe he'd still be a bit inconsistent with players behind him looking for those runs and playing more positive football, but the point is that we don't really know, and I don't think it's fair to judge him too harshly when we don't really know how much of the inconsistency is down to him, and how much is down to the way the teamas a whole is playing.

I would really love to see Herrera used in a more advanced role, ahead of Matic rather than alongside him, where he can look to play the passes that someone like Lingard can feed on. It's too easy to see his great defensive performances last season and forget that he's a great passer of the ball, with an eye for getting team mates in behind the defence.

11.) 26 Mar 2018 14:23:10
That FA cup winning goal seemed to really kick him on and he’s improved a lot since then.


How you can say he’s been anonymous is beyond me, he’s probably scored more important goals than any other player in the last 2 years.

12.) 26 Mar 2018 14:53:27
Gds important goals don't mean consistency. Yes he scored against Chelsea and in fa cup final but can you remember a run of games until December where you could say he was consistently good. A first team player needs to be consistently good and unlike rashford or martial lingard isn't exactly in the youngster category.

Thorne he has been good this season but last season he had 5 goals and 3 assists in 42 games in lvg's last season he had 7 goals and 4 assists in 41 games. Those are not good figures and he needs get similar to his current nos before we can be sure that he has improved rather than going through a purple patch.

Also where exactly will he play next season jose wants savic added to the team and jorginho as replacement for carrick, so we most likely will be switching to a mf 3.

13.) 30 Mar 2018 18:44:50
Good player, nice lad, silly dancer.



17 Feb 2018 08:31:11
Interesting rumour this morning, Real ready to move for Pogba. Could be paper trash talk of course but if they did and the money was big, would you sell? Clearly the boy has talent but he has yet to dominate a game or deliver on his potential. Is that down to him, the Manager, or a combination of both.

If the money was silly should we cash in? The problem with that is that he may go on and become the dominating player we believe is in there somewhere, and replacing him will cost a fortune too. For me, I’d seriously consider it though.


{Ed002's Note - There is zero interest in Paul Pogba from Real Madrid. They have very, very different ideas who they want.}

1.) 17 Feb 2018 11:41:22
There is no way we should be selling Pogba it would be crazy to do so.

Its likr selling the next messi and then trying to go buy a next ronaldo because we are noy patient enough.

2.) 17 Feb 2018 11:59:12
"Cash in" wtf? So some now want to sell Pogba when we have few midfielders for a pretty poor return? You bored with FIFA?

3.) 17 Feb 2018 11:20:17
Yay. Thanks ed for that.



12 Jan 2018 21:19:21
All this talk of Sanchez has masked the rumour that Vardy is also being considered. Not sure if they would sell or at what price but I think he would slot in much easier, albeit he is a like for like with Lukaku. Sanchez’s attitude worries me, the stories from Arsenal about his isolationist approach do not bode well for team spirit. Hey ho, what do I know?


1.) 12 Jan 2018 21:28:45
I hope not. Hateful diving git, Gerrard, suarez, terry, barton, keown, cattermole, Vardy. all the same to me would of hated to see any of them in a red shirt.

2.) 12 Jan 2018 23:05:33
That's one heck of a team those lot would make. Lacks some wide players tho.

3.) 13 Jan 2018 05:53:05
bfbw, there too much hate in your heart, i'd have had Keown and Suarez any day of the week. Go hug a tree man.

4.) 13 Jan 2018 08:10:14
AJH Vardy is a player Maze likes and admired over the years for his tenacity as well as his rags to riches story but to say he is a better option than Sanchez is silly, very silly.

Wake up AJH you are dreaming of poorly fabricated scenarios.



08 Dec 2017 20:28:41
So, first of all, I share my birthday with Jonny Evans so put that your pipe and smoke it. Secondly, I may have had a little wine tonight so forgive me if I am less coherent than Ronnie during a transfer window.

Sunday is a big game and I hope that Jose wakes up and has an epiphany but I fear it will not happen. I believe it is better to die fighting than running away and in football that is also true. Inspire the troops, give them hope and belief, rouse their spirits, fill their hearts with pride and desire. Let’s not turn up to stifle and try and nick a goal on the break. I don’t care if they are the best team, like Pierre the famous French fighter pilot, let’s go down in flames (google it) .

We are United, a team steeped in history and tradition, we live or die by our standard, there are times to stand up and be counted, Sunday is one of those times. We win, or we lose in a blaze of glory, to be a United fan there are no in betweens.

Time for more wine.


1.) 09 Dec 2017 01:43:34
Jesse's performance at Arsenal will have given him food for thought. Maybe we can press high with a few players and cause some chaos amongst their back line. Worry is that Matic and Ander would have to play out of their skins.

The motivational piece is way more important than formation. Win your battles all over the pitch and you'll get a win.

2.) 09 Dec 2017 10:50:17
We’ll park the bus and try to catch them on the counter and via set pieces.




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05 May 2021 19:27:27
I’ve been mulling this last week and sadly not reached any sensible conclusions. I think everyone agrees that loading the club with debt, interest payments, and dividend payments has taken huge amounts of revenue out of the club.

But what to do? I’m not sure anything will have an impact. Whether we like it or not the game has changed and it is global with worldwide audiences, this is why the ESL seemed like a good idea to the owners. Give fans in the US and the Far East big games every week, it’s what they want to see. And therein lies the core problem. Some of us grew up with the club, have or had season tickets, it’s been a major part of our lives, but sadly the game has moved on and money has taken over.

I gave up my season ticket a long time ago but I still get to the odd game and I remember seeing the half and half scarves a few years ago and thinking WTF! I’ve also sat in a stand surrounded by tourists from all over the world. It’s great United have a worldwide fan base but the earning potential globally is now so high that the owners are unlikely to pay attention to local protests.

I really don’t see how any protests will work, the only hope is legislation that offers some protection but I’m not clear what this is or how it would work. Like it or not, the Glazers bought the club legally, it belongs to them and they are free to run it how they see fit. I’m guessing they are surprised at all the hoo ha as their approach is not unusual in the US and as ED002 has told us, in the main they take a back seat and let the Board make decisions. Sadly, the Board have been pretty incompetent and our transfer business has been criminally negligent.

Let’s be contentious for a minute. If we had bought well, if we were still winning trophies, would there be such a fuss? I really doubt it. I know some will disagree but if we were winning the League every other year and giving City a run for their money then people would be a lot happier. Look how the Liverpool fans all calmed down once their team started doing it on the pitch.

The Glazers aren’t going anywhere, probably because nobody could afford to buy the club and I don’t see how that changes. The problem is that in most walks of life, if you don’t like something then you can choose to go elsewhere but for football it isn’t that simple.

The reaction to the ESL showed how powerful fans can be, pretty much unanimous condemnation from all supporters, but I don’t think that translates to forcing a change of ownership and as someone else said, be careful what you wish for.

Hey ho, ramble over. I wish they hadn’t bought the club, I wish they hadn’t taken out well over £1Billion in interest repayments, and I wish the club hadn’t appointed Moyes, or LVG, or Mourinho or Ole. Whilst I’d like the Glazers out, the incompetent running of the football side is a way bigger concern to me.


{Ed002's Note - This has been sone to death over and over and there is no point in it all being dragged out again.}

1.) 05 May 2021 20:20:52
Thought this was a good post AJH despite Ed2 comments above. Kind of sums it all well. Despite all this the owners, potential investors etc all know we love Utd and will continue to support the team. End of.

{Ed0666's Note - I thought AJH summed up my thoughts sisinctly in his 4th paragraph and if everything posted on here since the whole ESL/protest fiasco that paragraph nailed it for me.
The Glazers are incredulous at vitriol leveled at them from Malcolm ownership to now. They don’t understand why? Because their ideology is give the fans are competitive team and funds. Which they’ve done for the most part of their tenure. If you were winning trophies for the last 8 years who would care if you’re roof leaks and you’re training ground is only the fifth nicest in the premiership.

2.) 05 May 2021 21:26:02
Let’s just ignore the protests when we were winning league titles and reaching champions league finals. Let’s just ignore that some supporters created their own Club, let’s just ignore most fans have been protesting for the last 16 years. The truth is there can be no sensible debate from supporters of other Clubs because they are absolutely delighted that the Glazers make us less competitive. Who cares if the roof leaks? Who cares if our training ground is only the 5th best in the league? Man Utd fans care because we want to be the best. I can’t believe what I’ve just read!

3.) 05 May 2021 21:38:34
What don't you agree with DLIB? Most fans protesting for 16 years, really? Were there really meaningful protests when we were winning the League?

How about when season ticket prices took us from the cheapest to right up there with the most expensive?

Some fans were protesting but most? I think not.

4.) 05 May 2021 21:56:34
Dlib you can't expect everyone to feel the way you do as much as I can't expect everyone to feel the way I do.
All opinions are just that an opinion.
Good on the fans that started their own club they just had enough and did something about it.
Your tolerance is greater than their's.
If some (and as a % its tiny) fans want to protest for 16 years that's up to them. But 16 years is a long time to be protesting without having any effect maybe they should think of another way and work together. The fans are customers as long as they have the customers keeping the tills ticking over they are happy.
I exoect they will throw another 100m plus at it this summer we just have to hope whomever we sign make a big enough difference.

5.) 05 May 2021 22:02:44
We could have been bought by owners who simply took every penny out of the club and never reinvested.

The debt the club accrued when they bought the club will always rankle fans.

They are business men, they won't be too bothered by a protest. The ESL fiasco was always going to bring negative press.

The club will continue to provide them with an income and as such, I can't see them selling for quite some time.

The rescheduled Liverpool fixture might actually cause more harm than good. Lack of rotation may come back to bite Ole. We might see a couple of players succumb to injury. Certainly Rashford and Lindelof will struggle to play in all of the games.

6.) 05 May 2021 22:04:22
Remember Beckham coming off the pitch after he played for Milan and the full crowd was green and gold and he picked up the scarf? We had won the league and reached the CL final for the 2 years before that, the stadium was pretty much fully green and gold.

7.) 05 May 2021 22:30:34
The Green and Gold campaign was in full swing in 2010. Fans protested at the League Cup final against Aston Villa. Did we not reach Champion League finals in 2008, 2009 and 2011? Did we not win the league in 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2011? If it was just about trophies why was there an organised and concerted effort to get the Glazers out of the Club in probably one of the most successful few years in our history. There was massive opposition when the Glazers first bought the Club. To suggest the protests are because a few fans are disillusioned with a lack of success in recent years just illustrates complete ignorance and some Utd fans don’t even know their history.

I wasn’t responding to your post but the unbelievable comments made by Ed666 that we wouldn’t care that the Glazers haven’t invested in the stadium for over a decade if we had won a few more trophies. That it doesn’t matter to Utd fans that one of the most famous and iconic sporting arenas in world football has been left to rot and decay or that our training facilities are no longer amongst the best in the premier league never mind Europe and that wouldn’t matter if we’d won a couple more league titles!

There have been sustained protests by a sizeable number of Utd supporters since the first day the Glazers were handed the keys.

{Ed0666's Note - So why does it take the threat of a ESL to make you’re protests vociferous and in you’re face (quite literally)? My thoughts maybe ‘unbelievable’ to you and not the status quo but is my prerogative. I’m not gonna jump on the anti glazer bandwagon and am not pro glazer either in fact I couldn’t give a fuc* what happens to Manchester United. I don’t lose sleep over you’re leaky roof and you’re dilapidated training ground which is only the 5th best in the country. Tough titties only the 5th best wow such hardship. You’ve had ample transfer funds since the glazers took over circa £1.4 billion maybe some of you’re executives should have had the gumption to spend some of this £1.4 billion to fix the leaky roof, update the stadium, bought some new treadmills for the training ground and a lick of paint, like other teams have to do, it’s called budgeting. Imagine what Newcastle fans must be thinking. This is the zenith of entitlement.

8.) 05 May 2021 23:10:12
I think the glazers should sanction a new green and gold away strip🤣🤣
Booing and wearing nice new scarfs has been an ineffective protest its also been hugely underwhelming and not really noteworthy. But if those that do it believe in their actions leave them at it. As long as its peaceful and if it makes them feel better and feel like they are making a contribution to the club then good on them.
I have to say it wouldn't be my way but each to their own.

9.) 05 May 2021 23:29:31
Gds2 there is a great video of that on you tube time has tainted your memory as there is very little green and gold on display across the whole stadium.
Here is Beckham quote after the game.
However, the England midfielder - who received a wonderful reception upon his return to Old Trafford - insists he intends to have no say in how the football club is run.

"I am a Manchester United fan and I support the club, I always will, " Beckham said.

"I saw the scarf there and just put it round my neck. It's the old colours. That's all I know. It's nothing to do with me how it's run. That's to do with other people. I support the team. "

Stretford end is where the video was taken from that's probably where the most vocal critics sit and wear the colours from yesteryear perhaps that's why you thought the whole stadium was green and gold if your surrounded by it.
Great reception Beckham got that night. Loved him at united one of my favourite players during his time at the club.

10.) 05 May 2021 23:37:52
Ed666 - Your entitled to your opinion but at least understand the history. Anti Glazer protests have been happening at Old Trafford since they first acquired the Club in 2005. The ESL has merely ignited the anti Glazer sentiment which has been bubbling under the surface for years. It has nothing to do with a lack of trophies.

I don’t think Utd can be compared to a Club that hasn’t won a major trophy since 1955 and I’m pretty sure there’re not happy with their owner either!

Ken - Your comments as a Utd fan continue to disappoint me but your also entitled to your opinion.

{Ed0666's Note - my friend I respect you’re sentiments although I don’t agree with them. All I’m reading is sheer entitlement and I’m sorry if I can’t see it from you’re perspective. We’re gonna have to agree to disagree on this one. I wish you well on you’re quest for owners that invest into you’re club in a fashion that is acceptable to United fans.

11.) 06 May 2021 00:28:38
Fair enough Ed sorry if I went over the top but these things are important to me and it’s not just about the money but also the ambition. Should a Club with one of the largest turnovers in world football have a rusting, decaying stadium and substandard training facilities? Should the Glazers have even been allowed to buy the Club in the first place using a leveraged buy out? Sorry there I go again but I think they are important issues. Anyway thanks got listening I appreciate I’m a broken record, good night!

{Ed0666's Note - listen pal no need to apologize you didn’t do anything wrong. This website is about getting stuff off you’re chest. You vent all you want mate. You’re decaying stadium is some other clubs Shang-ri-la, you’re substandard training ground is some other clubs utopia. You get my point but you and I will never agree because you’re a passionate United fan and I see it objectively. I don’t think either of us are wrong (although you think I am). I wish you luck for the final and I hope Ole wins it for you because he’s much maligned (including by me) but he seems like a very nice guy and always courteous.

12.) 06 May 2021 00:46:46
By the way ajh that's the most balanced Post I've seen on here on this topic.
Everybody has their opinion and has to make their own choices. Each individual supports the club their own way ams will all have differing views. Some get embryonic from time to time and different things trigger different people.
I think the vast majority of fans would agree with most of what you say above.
We have heard for some time from ed002 about the amateurish way the club has been run but he has also stated its not the owners making these decisions in the main.
Yes we all hate the amount they take from the club but nobody can complain about the amount of money invested in the team.
We have one of the biggest spends we have the best paid players we have hired badly and spent the money they made available badly both in personnel and you could argue on timing.

13.) 06 May 2021 01:04:24
dlib you walked into that. ed666 is right 98 per cent would not care if we were still wining trophys. the argument below about gds giving up his season ticket i see both sides. if he gave it up you would have some ya hoo boy taking selfies and telling his mates he is at old trafford wile eating prawn sandwiches not a real fan. my worry is when i was growing up there were two shirts you sore united and liverpool. now every were i go its city and chealea. kids growing up want winners and sadly we are behind.

14.) 06 May 2021 07:16:27
Dlib i can live with your disappointment i'm just as disappointed with yours but we can move on.

15.) 06 May 2021 08:25:38
Tbf protests have been around for the entire 16 years on and off, not as ferocious as the other day of course but as DLIB says the ESL has lit a fire under the protests again. I can see both points yes we have spent money and won leagues under the Glazers, spent poorly by people in positions that shouldn't be mind, but we have fallen behind both on and off the pitch, yes our ground is rusting, our training ground is sub par, look at City, Leicester and Spurs now, spend some cash on the infrastructure, develop around Old Trafford, wether its woe is me or not that's what you have to do to keep up with the City's of the world unfortunately and compete, best in class all round. The green and gold campaign was there when we was winning titles under fergie, some may choose not to remember but I'm sure fans of FC United remember well, I've been to a few of their games and yes the club that was created because of the campaigns and anti Glazer that apparently didn't exist until the other day lol. Everyone entitled to their opinion but at least don't demean fans anger over this 16 year period, its not just 1 day last week and Tbh I am disappointed at some that are so apathetic to the ownership, like its OK, we won a league 8 years ago, we don't compete anymore warning signs have been there for a long time under this ownership. I'm also rather amused at the Liverpool perspective, they led everyone into the ESL, fuming so they was, how dare they do this with my Liverpool and now suddenly everything is OK with their owners cz its 'gone away' and united are **** for 1 arrest and minority idiots in the majority peaceful protest.

{Ed001's Note - that's not the Liverpool perspective, that is the ignorant perspective of those who don't understand. This is not going away, they are going to keep trying and trying until they get their way if the fans don't step up and put a stop to it.}

16.) 06 May 2021 12:39:03
I was at the game Ken I don’t need a YouTube video 🤦🏼‍♂️.

17.) 06 May 2021 17:34:40
Its for the folk who weren't at it so they don't buy into your gross exaggeration.



30 Apr 2021 07:24:35
Paul Pogba comments after the match.

"We were a bit all over the place after the second.   We talked and said let's do the right things.   The Manager spoke and motivated us. "

Just wanted to make sure Red Man hadn't missed this.   #oleout.


1.) 30 Apr 2021 07:57:11
Tony, don't poke the bear.

2.) 30 Apr 2021 08:05:19
For a man who calls for these type of snide point scoring posts to reduce your never shy of posting one ajh.
It does of course increase the cycle but I'm sure its all in the name of banter.

3.) 30 Apr 2021 08:08:34
I couldn’t help myself although I did mean to add a smiley face.

4.) 30 Apr 2021 08:16:29
🤣🤣 me too.

5.) 30 Apr 2021 08:24:07
I didn’t miss it, I read a lot and snide throwaway is a good description but whatever, doesn’t bother me.

Was motivation a criticism I made of Ole? Tactical acumen, in game management and leadership direction for sure.

I am happy we have one foot in the final, I want us to win everything we enter. Guess You won’t get criticism for posting a quote AJH! One rule for one huh.



27 Apr 2021 15:20:50
Now the ESL appears dead let’s look at UEFA’s revised format for 2024 onwards as it does look a bit of a dogs breakfast.

This is pulled from UEFAs website.

From the 2024/ 25 season, there will be a single league made up of all 36 competing clubs. Teams will play four matches more than is currently the case. They will no longer play three opponents twice – home and away – but will instead face fixtures against 10 different teams, half of them at home and half of them away.

This gives the opportunity for clubs to test themselves against a wider range of opponents – and also raises the prospect of fans seeing the top teams go head to head more often earlier in the competition.

Qualification for the Champions League will continue to be open and depend on a club’s final position in the previous season’s domestic league competition. The additional four slots available in 2024/ 25 will be allocated according to three different criteria:
* Slot one: One of the additional places will go to the club ranked third in the championship of the association in fifth position in the UEFA national association ranking.
* Slot two: Another will be awarded to a domestic champion by extending from four to five the number of clubs qualifying via the so-called 'Champions Path'.
* Slots three and four: Awarded to the two clubs with the highest club coefficients that have not qualified automatically for the Champions League’s league stage, but have qualified either for the Champions League qualification phase or the Europa League/ the Europa Conference League (due to start in the 2021/ 22 season) .

While the top eight teams will advance automatically to the round of 16, those sides placed between ninth and 24th will enter a play-off round. Those who finished between ninth and 16th will be seeded in the play-off draw, meaning they will face a team placed 17th to 24th – with home advantage in the second-leg match. Teams who finish 25th or lower will be eliminated, with no access to the UEFA Europa League.

The eight clubs who prevail in the play-offs will then progress to the round of 16 where they will each face one of the top-eight finishers.

I have a few questions.

If the league has 36 teams, how is it determined which 10 teams you get to play? If UEFA want more games between the big teams, how is that fair if the ‘smaller’ teams get to play each other?

It’s more games so more cash but I’m struggling to see how it works with everyone in 1 league.


1.) 27 Apr 2021 21:39:54
To be honest I've not looked into it Tony. But like you I'm not sure how it will work. I'm assuming there will be seedings and back door entries for the likes of Liverpool this season if they don't make top 4 or ourselves in the past.
It going to take 17 games to win it.
Uefa locking their lips at a 400 game tournament.
Lots of TV rights to sell lots of packed stadia lots of money. Back door entry I can see why owners would be happy.

2.) 27 Apr 2021 22:06:37
It looks convoluted and ridiculous. No doubt we'll end up with a UEFA version of the European Super League, mildly watered down version of what the club's were proposing. It will be open, but not as open as the current set up, with additional seeding weightings to keep the "elite" clubs happy.



22 Apr 2021 10:11:36
Looking at the major European Leagues is it any wonder football is losing its attraction?

In France, there used to be different winners but since PSG got money they have dominated winning 7 of the last 8 titles. In other countries it’s been just as bad and for longer.

Juve won 9 in a town in Italy before this year, Inter will break that hold. Bayern have won 8 in a row, and in Spain, the big 2 have won 15 of the last 16 titles.

How much fun is it as a Bayern fan winning the title every year? And how much fun is it supporting other teams when the gap is so vast? Same in Spain, same in France and until this year, same in Italy. Even Scotland. With Rangers out of the picture, Celtic had no real competition, is it really enjoyable to win season after season when there isn’t really a proper challenge?

In England it has been slightly better. We have 5 different winners in the last 8 years but go back 20 years and the number doesn’t get any bigger.

When United did the treble in ‘99 it was an amazing feat, there was the chance to to the domestic treble on a couple of occasions but it didn’t happen. In our period of dominance we won some leagues comfortably, others were dog fights. But look around at the number of domestic trebles that are happening now: bigger teams are dominating more and more which must surely just get boring for everyone?

Too many matches are dull, too many leagues are predictable and the ECL is getting that way. PSG have thrown hundreds of millions at it and might just win it this year. So what? City the same. I know City fans who have up their season tickets as they don’t think it’s their club any more, it’s just a sovereign state trying to improve its image through sport.

Football has lost its soul, but it is also fast losing it’s attraction to many. It’s too late to change it, the big clubs have too much power and will not relinquish it easily. It is no longer sport, it is big business generating huge amounts of revenue and ultimately the game has been diminished by the dominance of a handful of teams.


1.) 22 Apr 2021 10:59:28
"In France, there used to be different winners but since PSG got money they have dominated winning 7 of the last 8 titles. "

Lyon won seven titles between 2001-2008, although I get your point, it's not a great example.

2.) 22 Apr 2021 11:40:48
Tony i believe that there are solutions and things that can be implemented to make teams competitive and matches not so boring, but it needs to be addressed firstly on an FA, level and adopted european comps.
Limit transfers on numbers or realistic figures, stipulate that squads must include academy players - I know some of this has been done but be more stringent and update. I honestly think football was more enjoyable when we had the european ban and had to reg assimilated players and the other stuff.
Var - the ref must watch every decision not pick and choose revalute the reason for offside- ie don't disallow a goal because the right back is down injured on the corner post and his fingertips are offside- let the game flow.
The reason that the esl has been mooted by the big guns for years is money, as they aren't fans- hit them with taxes but give incentives if they support a lower league club or put money into all manner of schemes- not just 320 note off joel but big sums- after all they would only pay it out in tax.
with regards to the talk of relegation, points deduction etc tbh i am sick of hearing nufc fans aka the lemon men) crying for it as well as others. The players were not responsible and in fact were at risk of missing out on a varity of things ;internationals etc so why punish them and the fans? It smacks of rivalry gone rotten and would further fuel the resurgence of the ESL propsal done the line.

3.) 22 Apr 2021 11:53:50
Remember when we were constantly winning titles, did the thrill get any less. Personally I thought it did, the years you remember most are the ones where you were in a real battle, I'm still mentally scarred by what happened at 13 May 2012, but that is overshadowed by 02 May 1993, still my best day as a United supporter.

4.) 22 Apr 2021 14:27:47
Ludwig, let's widen it then. In the last years there have been this number of different title winners.

England 5
Italy 4
Germany 5
France 7

In the 1990s, United won it 7 out of 9 years. Since then, it has rotated a little more with 5 winners over theast 8 years.

My main point is that generally its just dull. How do Eveeton fans feel? What is their ambition? Top 4 I guess, but for what purpose? Not just Everton, we have clubs justifying to avoid being relegated.

The game is now too unbalanced, and it's getting worse every year.

5.) 22 Apr 2021 15:05:58
I miss us competing and miss us entertaining more than I do the actual winning.
Its been 8 years since we have seriously competed to win a league and not been in a cl semi for a decade.
Us winning never got boring for me personally or dull even when it was dull under jose and leg.

6.) 22 Apr 2021 15:14:17
I don't think its changed much Tony.
How many different English sides win the message from 77 to 90?
Villa forest liverpool Everton arsenal. Same no of 5 but just different clubs.
Football is increasing its appeal and viewership I think uts a case of you find it less appealing.
I remember my father telling me football was finished when ever Francis sold for 1m and he never felt the same after that about football. It was not the game he fell in love with as a boy.
Time waits for no man. You either move with the times or get off the bus.
The changes we are seeing now are no different in size and impact on the game to those that our fathers saw.
You are not alone in gaming out of love but they are more than replacing us with the next generation.

7.) 22 Apr 2021 17:34:00
I haven't watched a game in nearly 3 years now because of exactly this.

I've seen everything before, the product isn't worth the stress and hasn't been for a very, very long time.

I lurk on here from time to time, check the results every couple of weeks or so and things of that nature and that's enough for me these days.

It's a shame, some of the older posters will remember how passionate I and many others used to be in comparison to now.

Weirdly, I don't miss the inathenticty of it all.

8.) 22 Apr 2021 19:44:24
Welcome back moon.

9.) 23 Apr 2021 08:38:32
Haven't watched a game in 3 years?

I guess we're seeing the dark side of the Moon now😂.



21 Apr 2021 15:07:38
The monster may have retreated back into its cave but it is far from dead. Football has been consumed by money and greed for many years, with the top clubs creaming off more and more. Business models have changed, look at the number and diversity of official partners United have, it is now a multi million global business for the big teams.

With that has come ever growing transfer fees and player wages, with the added bonus of agent fees, some of which are entirely unjustifiable yet clubs keep on paying them. You have to run faster to keep up and as soon as you drop off then your revenue drops which means you are in trouble as that was never in the forecast.

The arrogance of some clubs to demand a permanent seat at the table goes against everything football has meant in this country but I fear that this latest idea will resurface in some form, possibly with the backing of UEFA. It will be dressed up but ultimately we will see some clubs pretty much guaranteed entry into the ECL (or whatever it gets called) to keep them sweet.

More teams in the UCL means more pointless games until we get to the exciting business end of the tournament, more revenue initially but more disengagement for fans who already think there are to many games.

The problem stems from the bigger teams getting bigger in recent years, the dominance of 1 or 2 teams in Spain, Italy, France, and Germany mean they have far more meaningless games than we do. Despite some clubs dominating we have had more winners than most, but Leicester side, we know that the EPL winner will come from a small group.

The genie is out of the bottle and there is putting it back in, what we really need is the playing field levelling but that isn’t going to happen so God knows where this leads us to.


1.) 21 Apr 2021 16:10:56
Tony, now that it is back in the cave so to say, just trying to play devils advocate with the risk of getting slagged off. As you say, the business end of the tournament is where it gets exciting. But wasnt that the thought behind this super league that we only keep these exciting games. I mean if we add Bayern and PSG then these are the teams that reach the business end, more or less each year and that is what we all want to watch isn't it. If we look at our season in the CL, what games were we excited to watch? weren't it the ones against PSG and RBL. I surely wasnt excited about watching that Turkish game.

Theres a good write up by Ed002 on the European pages detailing what was planned and i think we will see movements towards that under some other name pretty soon.

2.) 21 Apr 2021 17:14:04
United Addict. You're massively over representing some of the quality in this Super League. We have played Arsenal, City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Spurs twice this season. The cup game against Liverpool was exciting. I'm sure the 6-1 defeat and the second half against Spurs was a decent watch. Other than that, nothing to write home about.

We have played AC Milan this season and it was a borefest. Chelsea played Atletico, wasn't great Liverpool played Madrid, wasn't great.

We're in the second tier of european competition because we couldn't compete with RBL and PSG in a small group. It certainly wouldn't be interesting watching a league format where after 5 games, we've no chance of winning it. So you just phone it in, resulting in a very expensive friendly.

Anyone who wants to watch this games week in week out needs their head wobbled. It's as much about the spectacle as it is about the match. How many European Cup finals are good matches? How many World Cup finals are good matches? It's all about the electricity in the air. The risk vs reward. You can't replicate that.

We play away to Wigan on the last day of the season to win the league in 2008. Man Utd v Wigan. More emotion in that game than a final game in the Super League against Madrid to lift a shiny new cup.

3.) 21 Apr 2021 17:14:54
It's not necessarily what I want to watch. I'd like a more level playing field where ambition and ability shines through but sadly that ship has sailed. I'm bored with the same old teams being there year in year out.

In Europe it can't be much fun if your team wins every year, surely?
The amount of domestic trebles is ridiculous, that's how far ahead some clubs are and I can't see it changing.

We are seeing a levelling in England, clubs don't have to sell their best players any more which means the likes of audited can't just hoover up the best players when they want. I love that Leiceater and West Ham are up there, I love that Arsenal and Spurs are struggling. But the big 6 don't, they just want to protect their position.

The ECL is boring, same teams in the final stages every year, if you are enjoying it then fair play, but for me it's dull from start to finish.

4.) 21 Apr 2021 17:32:10
Tony and Mumbles then isn't that down to the level of football being played. Its football on a whole that has become dull. I mean don't get me wrong and i am not advocating the super league or whatever it is. I like it the way it is now. Just saying that a borefest against Milan or Real would still be more watchable then against an unknown from some greek island isn't it, even if it is for the spectacle as you mention. There shouldn't really be anything guaranteed ofcourse so relegation and stuff like that should be there obviously but i do honestly think that some of the group stage games are ridiculous as it is where you play your kids. Its a Champions League and only the best teams should be playing in it, let's say only the top 2 from each league even if it means we aren't in it.

5.) 21 Apr 2021 18:04:15
But you're only thinking about it from a supporter of a so called "elite" club.

Istanbul beat us this year. I'm sure that will live long in memory for their fans. How many great stories come out from smaller clubs beating the odds to get into Europe. Yes the structure may need a look at, but you're bypassing all of the good stuff along the way.

If you only want to watch the big teams then tune in for them. If you don't like the 4 days of the masters, tune in for the last 9 holes. Likewise any sport. You just want the fillet but actually there's just as much flavour in the lesser cuts.

You say "it's a champions league, only the best teams should be playing in it" we weren't champions entering the competition in 99 nor were we champions when we entered the competition in 2008.

I get where you are coming from but I wholeheartedly disagree with you.

6.) 21 Apr 2021 18:27:25
I understand Mumbles. I am just trying to understand the viewpoint.

7.) 21 Apr 2021 18:47:55
That's why they did it UA. On paper it probably looked like a slam dunk.




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11 Apr 2021 19:40:05
Rice for me. Young, English, having a great season.




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15 Dec 2020 07:54:29
Shappy, Ronaldo (and Messi) are light years ahead of any other players of this generation so yes, he probably is better. Imagine a couple of top signings and Ronaldo’s drive and mentality, the impact would be huge.

Can’t see it happening though.




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13 Dec 2020 17:10:21
I would take him in a flash. Proven winner, great work ethic and attitude, the player of his generation, an icon. He would improve every player in the squad.




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04 Oct 2020 11:25:49
If he can stay for, its an astute signing. Classy, winner, worker, professiona, he could have an impact.




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03 Oct 2020 19:26:33
We need maturity and we need winners, people with the right mentality. He may be past his best but he ticks those boxes and he’s still class.





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11 May 2021 14:00:21
Martial has had long enough to improve both is play and his demeanour. Ole isn't brand new anymore, he's had well over 2 years since he was appointed in December 2018, so given Martial is as inconsistent and frustrating as ever, it isn't going to get any better.

Clearly he has talent and ability, but it is shown too rarely. He is passive, makes few runs, games pass him by, his world class ability shows up once every seven games.


{Ed014's Note - ahh 2 years, I wasn’t sure.



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10 May 2021 07:37:16
‘Defensively we are a shambles’. 3rd lowest goals against and fewest losses. Not saying there isn’t room for improvement but shambles is a bit much.




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09 May 2021 20:20:25
Sign Rice as the holder, sign a top CB, Varane if available, sign a top top CF. Move on Fred, Jesse, Jones, Mata, Matic, Martial

Play Pogba and Bruno centrally, Rash left, Greenwood right. Get Rashford fit, even if that means a long rest, integrate Diallo and DVB.

A top CB along with someone like Rice means we can play Pogba centrally, assuming he is still here. A fit Rashford is a huge asset, he’s been injured for almost a year now.

Our stats are good. Fewest defeats, 2nd highest scorers, most points from losing positions, good goals against, but the evidence of our eyes tells us this team is massively inconsistent, often within a game.

Team spirit looks strong, we are resilient, hopefully we win a trophy. If we buy well then we could make another step up. However, if Pogba leaves and we buy badly, then who knows?




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08 May 2021 14:58:51
I agree Red Man, but if he rests players against Leicester, the rest will still be playing every 4 days. It’s madness.




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08 May 2021 14:58:15
I loved how he protected Greenwood, straight in there, snarling, looking after his team mate, what a bloke.