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24 Nov 2020 19:20:57
Wow what a team that is. Really attacking lineup. Hoping to see a few goals tonight with the players we have on the pitch.

Great to see Martial, Rashford and Cavani on the pitch together, and with Bruno and VDB behind them we should see plenty of possession and movement.

Can't wait to see fans back on CL nights they really are special.

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25 Nov 2020 06:53:16
Like watching Jekyll and Hyde at times out there Wazza. Played some beautiful football at times and could've easily been punished down the other end, luckily, Istanbul are a poor enough side.

That being side, refreshing to see that forward line up. Particularly having DVB in at CM, head and shoulders above any other option we have. Will surely start at the weekend but wouldn't put anything passed Ole.

25 Nov 2020 08:18:10
I would be surprised if DVB starts at Southampton he done ok last night had a decent game but we looked open in the cm area at times .
I think ole might look to shore that area up, Southampton are playing some decent stuff and have been for a while .

25 Nov 2020 11:06:00
They looked toothless without ings wolves should have beaten them well at the wkend.
They work harder than most teams so that's where we need to compete. We have better players than them so if we compete and win the battle we should come out on top. If dvb doesn't play if be surprised. Only crazy people cut off their own nose to spite their face. i'd rather see fred rested and keep him high energy and fresh for psg.
Bruno benifits from vdb that was evident again last night. Moves the ball quicker. When you get 2 midfielders like scholes and hargreaves explaining why he should be playing and are like most of us unfounded as to why he has not been playing it tells a story. Rotating has to be done of course. Managers live and die by those calls.

25 Nov 2020 12:22:25
Agree Ken, I have been critical of Bruno after our last two Prem games, particularly against West Brom I thought he was very poor, but he looks a much better player with more intelligent players around him. He plays better with Mata and with VDB.

Would like to see McTominay come in for Fred. Fred’s passing again last night was very scary. Twice he played a crossfield pass that hit an opposing player. We won’t get away with sloppy passing against better sides.

If last night proved anything it’s that attack is our best form of defence.

23 Nov 2020 21:47:52
No goal in open play at OT in the league for 2 months. Hashtag OleIn.

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24 Nov 2020 10:13:03
Nothing like a little sensationalisation😂

First off you posted this on the 23rd of November, our last open play LEAGUE goal at Old Trafford came on the 26th of September in the 3-2 win against Brighton. So not quite two months if I'm being pedantic.

Secondly, you've purposefully ignored the other more recent open play goals scored at Old Trafford such as the 4 we scored in the 5-0 win against Leipzig.

Thirdly, you ignored context, such as the 2 week international break, we have just had AND the previous international break after the Spurs game. So for 4 of your 9 weeks there wasn't even league football being played.
While we played Spurs, Chelsea and Arsenal in the other 3 of the four games we have played in the league since that goal against Brighton.

Fourthly, if teams foul our players in the box rather than let us get off shots how is that our players fault? You get a penalty ONLY because you were fouled to deny a goal scoring opportunity. Who's to say if our players were fouled that they weren't going to score a goal from that chance on open play.

While I respect your opinion to feel like Ole isn't the right man for the job, this sort of post is just daft.

24 Nov 2020 17:19:18
Hence why I mentioned league shappy, and by the next LEAGUE game it will have been OVER 2 months :) x.

24 Nov 2020 18:46:22
Well we scored no league goals between mid May and mid August (THREE whole months) every single year bar this year. Ole must be a genius #Olein 😂.

24 Nov 2020 22:19:52
Pretty sure we played away against Brighton shappy and our last league goal from open play at old Trafford was actually vdb against palace.

24 Nov 2020 22:24:35
You have written lot of daft posts shappy.

25 Nov 2020 12:32:54
Close to a monopoly rover 😂😂 but lots of us throw in the odd daft one.

23 Nov 2020 18:39:33
Just seen a stat that puts your season into perspective. Utd have only scored one goal from open play this season. Surely that can't be true.

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23 Nov 2020 19:14:52
We played Everton the game before WB at the weekend and scored 3 goals from open play.

23 Nov 2020 19:32:57
I think that was just our home games that stat was for Liverpool manc.

23 Nov 2020 12:28:24
I think it needs to be said that we all have different opinions and that we don't have to like or even agree with everyone's.

But we should respect them.

Remember, opinions are like ass holes, everyone has one and most of them stink.

As for the whole Ole debate, at some point maybe this side of Christmas but most likely after the January transfer window closes we will likely see the back of Ole.

Some will rejoice, some will be sad to see a playing legend treated so shoddily.

Either way the club will then hire a new manager. At which point half the fan base will get behind the new manager, while the other half will be unhappy that the club didn't hire the manager THEY wanted.

The unhappy half will say that the new manager is the wrong guy and will then be quiet or absent from the site every time the new manager wins a game. Then every time the new manager loses a game they will come on here and ask to be patted on the back and congratulated when they say "I told you so". While they hope random strangers in online will marvel at their sheer intelligence and brilliance.

This will continue to happen until new said manager is sacked and we start the cycle again.

I can remember 10 years ago on here some posters would often say that Sir Alex had lost his edge, that he wasn't good enough anymore.

The truth is if you predict a football manager will fail then you will eventually be proven right 97% of the time as very few managers leave a club as a success or on the upward trajectory. Especially at the top clubs. That's the nature of the sport, the average length of time a manager is in his job in England is between 18 months to 2 years. So you often won't have long to wait either.

Will the next manager get the team playing better? Maybe, how long that lasts will likely depend on how well they are supported from higher up and how well run the club is. So I'm not very hopeful.

Welcome to the rollercoaster that is Manchester United.

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23 Nov 2020 13:44:05
how as he been treated shodily. is he not being paid millions to manage the club. has he not had millions spent on players. his playing carear will never be questioned. but as a manager he deserves no more respect than any other when we look like a pub side.

23 Nov 2020 16:09:47
dazw, I find it funny that out of my entire post that is the thing you pick out. It seems that no matter what I post it has to be turned back around to Ole. My entire post was about the bigger picture, not just at our club but as a fanbase. Yet you feel the need to pick on one sentence out of 30.

In my opinion I feel that Ole has been treated poorly by the club, by the media and by a large proportion of the fan base.

In my opinion the club haven't given him the right support to give him the best chance of success. They don't have the right support structure to best enable the footballing aspects of the club to succeed. While they have undermined his position by making contact with possible replacement managers and allowed that to be leaked to the press. While the rebuilding of the squad that Ole needs to perform has continued to be haphazard and unrefined. Leading to the club signing a striker when a winger was needed and a midfielder when a defender was needed. They have also failed to move on the players Ole does not require making managing a squad with several players who are clearly not wanted difficult for the manager.

The media has treated Ole poorly by constantly writing about his job being in danger and linking people to his job. This makes it harder for him to get the best out of players who might be thinking the manager will soon be gone.
I don't blame the media for this as their job is all about getting clicks and selling papers and anything with United attached sells. However, it certainly doesn't make it any easier or comfortable being on the end of it.

While large sections in of the fans have been frankly appalling. It's one thing to believe a manager isn't the right man for the job. Yet the name calling, sly jabs, and general disrespectful way some fans talk about him just proves that the Ed's were right to label United fans "Toxic".

The guy isn't just another manager (not that that should change anything), he is one of our own. A fan of the club and one of the few people in a position of power at the club who has genuine affection for our club. While he might make mistakes I believe that he is doing what he thinks is best for the club.

Ole isn't the right man long term, he has his limitations sadly. Yet sacking him will not fix anything bar maybe providing a little dead cat bounce for a few weeks.

The next manager will still be stuck with all the limitations our current manager has to cope with.

23 Nov 2020 23:01:00
i actualy agree with most of it shappy. no manager stands a chance with the stooges above who are making the decisions. but ole new what he was getting into if they did not back managers far better than him what made him think any otherwise. it makes him seem the vicim when in truth he simply is not good enough. there are managers in the prem that could get this squad playng a lot better and they have no association with the club. we were all quick to jump on jose for his torrid football but expected to turn a blind eye for ole.

24 Nov 2020 05:31:45
Shappy, that is exactly what it is all about. That nonsense of being "one of our own" does my head in. He is no more or no less than a United employee. Why should he be treated differently. He will be measured in the same yardstick as Moyes, LvG and Jose. To hell with the goal he scored in a previous life when it comes down to being the manager.
Is he not getting a handsome paycheck just because he is one of our own.

24 Nov 2020 12:17:59
The thing is though, Shappy. People weren't saying this when Mourinho was in charge. That's why there are arguments.

People can't say Ole needs more time, when the same people were saying Mourinho had to go.

Its hypocrisy, when in reality Ole has not achieved any more than Mourinho did. The toxicity the Ed referred to was when LvG was disposed of due to the fanbase.

24 Nov 2020 13:02:27
Sepp

Actually Mourinho won 2 trophies and finished 2nd which is more than Ole has achieved. Apart from this mythical feel good factor that keeps going missing especially in home league games.

I won’t rejoice when Ike goes, I will be sad a playing legend has to go that way. We and the club need to be objective, not sentimental. The only thing I hope is the next manager is not chosen sentimentally, Mark Robins could be next, then we can watch talk football without the emotional issue.

24 Nov 2020 13:05:23
At some point people will turn at new manager and ask for his head, the manager they WANTED. The big difference is that most of us didn't want him in the first place. Do you want the manager of Bodo Glimt who just won their league? No? Ask yourself why.
I simply don't care if he is one of our own, as far as he is in charge he is a manager of our team, not a former player. Journalists make it harder? I disagree, with the form and the football we play they are kind whith him, unless you want after two years to have a free run because he is a former player. If he can't deal with the pressure he should resign. He is not good at the long term? So he is not good at all. And i don't buy into he does what's best for the club, he does what is best for him, his reputation and his pocket. If he does what is best for the club he would have resigned leaving the job to someone who at least play some decent football after two years . Unless he believes that this group of players are only capable of rhis crap football.

24 Nov 2020 14:43:39
Sepp, it wasn't just the turgid, defensive football that was making people want to see the back of Jose. He'd turned his usual toxic self when things weren't going his way, and was lashing out at everyone. The atmosphere around the club was terrible. What would giving him more time have achieved? He was on his third season meltdown and nothing was stopping that.

24 Nov 2020 15:00:47
I wasn't a fan of Mourinho Nou, I was just pointing out that its hypocritical to call the "Ole out brigade" disrespectful or whatever, when the majority of those same people did the same with Mourinho. Particularly when, as Redman has pointed out, Mourinho achieved more than Ole has.

25 Nov 2020 17:33:22
Completely agree sepp.

22 Nov 2020 11:47:49
Afternoon gents,

I thought I would give my take on yesterday's snooze fest - it's either this or go Christmas decoration shopping with the other half.

Yesterday was an appalling performance. Johnstone was in great form yes, but we have to be putting these teams away at home. I had a bet on 0-0 at half time, and it was of no great surprise that we went in level.

Their penalty should of stood in my opinion, and had they scored there was no way we would of got two goals to get the three points. We look toothless and bereft of ideas and I believe this to be Ole's fault.

He insists on playing two defensive midfielders at home to relegation fodder, he leaves a creative midfielder on the bench for 90% of the game and insists on playing a lazy striker that's bang out of form when a world class forward is twiddling his thumbs on the bench.

It's not only selection and tactics that concern me. It's the lack of reaction after half time. We played poor in the first half and came out in the second as if we were winning 3-0. What does Ole say at the break? I imagine it's 'keep going boys' and other such nonsense.

Sadly, yesterday once again proved Ole is out of his depth.

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22 Nov 2020 16:43:29
We got very lucky yesterday fresh. But there will be games when we get unlucky.
I agree with you its a good post.
At least we get to move on with 3 points. Its going to be a weird first half of the season at least. So we need too keep in touch and hope that things improve play wise as the season goes on.

22 Nov 2020 18:04:25
Appalling. I’ve told you a million times not to exaggerate.

22 Nov 2020 18:43:29
We did put them to bed tho.

23 Nov 2020 19:41:56
Put me to bed for sure 😂 Terrible stuff of late.

23 Nov 2020 21:11:23
😁😁😁 angel.

21 Nov 2020 19:07:41
Van de Beek should just put in a transfer request in January and leave because this buffoon just won't play him.

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21 Nov 2020 19:36:32
To me this would of been the perfect opportunity to play one holding midfielder and start both vdb and Fernandes but I guess we'll see what happens.

22 Nov 2020 07:35:07
I think he will start tomorrow in CL match.

22 Nov 2020 11:00:08
I don’t think he will start tomorrow.

22 Nov 2020 18:04:41
I have no idea why we bought him, it seems bizarre.

22 Nov 2020 23:38:32
thats the touble with a novice manager. he does no that the lad can play in three positions. but he is to scared to loose that's why we have worse than jose tacticks.

21 Nov 2020 11:43:04
I am always bemused by the way we eithe reulogise or crucify players here.
Would it not be better to have an objective way of measuring player abilities.
Here are my suggestions

Goalkeeper :- Catching, Dealing with crosses, shot stopping and clearing.
Defender :- Marking, Tackling, Heading and closing down
Midfield:- Tackling, recovery, shielding and passin accuracy
Wing back/ wingers:- Tackling, ball winning running and crossing
Strikers :- Positioning, Heading, ball shielding and shooting accuracy, shot to goals ratio

This might then be a way to rate players rather than just by opinion.

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21 Nov 2020 12:14:32
You'll never get away from opinion and bias impacting how people feel about players for multiple reasons.

Firstly, people have different opinions on what skills they want from players playing in certain conditions. Take Rio and Vidic for example, they had different skill-sets, so does that mean only one of them were a good defender. Same with Keane and Scholes, or Hughes and RvP. There is no universal skills needed for one position.

Secondly, the vast majority, everyone currently, are watching a game via TV rather than live. Meaning that you can only follow the ball and you miss lots of off the ball work and movement. Even when watching the game in the stadium it's impossible to watch what all 22 players are doing at the same time. The best defenders do their best work off the ball, to paraphrase Maldini "if you need to make a tackle then you have already made the mistake".

Thirdly, most people, nearly everyone, is to a large extent influenced by the media and popular opinion meaning people are often seeing a "confirmation bias" when watching a game.

19 Nov 2020 21:30:07
Beating City on penalties go on girl's 👌.

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