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12 Feb 2026 13:23:31
Glad I kept out of that thread below!

Suffice it to say that the reason western countries are struggling with debt management may in part be due to the social weight of immigration, but the real reason is the relative decline in real relative national wealth building brought on by the end of the industrial and colonizing eras, and the loss of the resulting competitive advantage and decent wage paying job availability. It has not been helped by the constant expansion of the money supply which in turn has brought in an era of financialization, and monetary flows towards those who are already capital rich, the wealthiest of whom have declared themselves "sovereign individuals" who no longer feel any obligation to pay their fair share of taxes to the nations in which their wealth was built.

Thus immigration may add to the burden but the truth is that the large majority of people in Britain receive more benefits over the course of their lifetime than they pay in through tax/NI. Plenty of non-immigrants, whether through lethargy, entitlement mentality, real lack of opportunity or genuine infirmity, have scarcely contributed anything.

Ineos itself is in substantial debt, is cutting back, shutting things down etc and adding to the social burden by doing so. Ratcliffe should learn to keep his trap shut.

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08 Feb 2026 10:56:37
Glazers have tabled a $1.8B bid to buy IPL franchise Royal Challengers Bengaluru. What could this mean for Man Utd?
Could they leverage more debt onto United to afford this?

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08 Feb 2026 15:00:34
What ever you think about ineos I highly doubt they'd let the glazers leverage debt against the club to buy a cricket team.

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09 Feb 2026 17:34:49
You seriously think it’s got anything to do with United on any business they buy, whatever way they buy it, I would be more worried about Ineos debts then the glazer ones if I were you.

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10 Feb 2026 15:06:55
They could mandate United to buy into the new business as part shareholders, probably up to 49% whilst the Glazer leeches fund the rest. To do that they could increase our debt as a way of funding it. However that increased debt could negatively impact our balance sheet and our costs. I can’t see them doing that.

They may however sell more of their shares, they only need to own 51% to retain control. The problem they have is the agreement with SJR, likely he has first dibs on buying any shares from them and also if SJR wished to buy more and take his holding over 30% I seem to recall that may trigger a position where he would have to offer all shareholders the same deal, almost like a full takeover. They may use the remaining United stock they own as collateral, as a security and borrow the money against that value. They could also sell to a third party some of their United stock, taking their holding down to 51% but again the deal with SJR comes into it. They could sell their remaining Utd shares in total

I would rather they sell United as a whole, all remaining shares and sod off. We need a new owner and no debt. If that is the final result of wanting to buy a new franchise, great.

Je Suis- what makes you so much more worried about Ineos? What is the structure and financial connection between Utd and Ineos that gives you concern? Are you predicting Ineos could have financial difficulties and if so how have you reached that conclusion?

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11 Feb 2026 05:00:41
Glazers have wealth far beyond United, buying anything will have no relevance to the United debt, it’s just the way they structure their business acquisitions that’s all.

In fact I would rather be the Glazers position then SJR

You only have to look at Ineos, individual companies first then the main holding company.

When I mentioned this months ago usually suspects ridiculed it…how that looking now.

Total Debt Load: Reports indicate a massive debt pile of £18bn, with debt-servicing costs around £1.8bn.
Core Issues: High debt is driven by acquisitions, investments in sports teams, and losses in the automotive division, specifically the Ineos Grenadier.
Ratings Downgrades: Moody's and Fitch Ratings have raised red flags, with Ineos Group outlook revised to negative and Ineos Quattro downgraded, citing high leverage (around 5.9x–8x annual earnings) .
Survival Measures: The group is implementing cost-cutting measures, including hundreds of potential job cuts in its automotive division and a freeze on hiring.
Refinancing/Restructuring: Ineos is considering restructuring its debt and potential asset monetization to manage the burden.

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11 Feb 2026 11:21:58
Je Suis

Reading that, Grok/chatGp is your friend no doubt. There are known challenges in the Chemical industry across the world right now but that does not mean Ineos would fail.

United made the Glazers very rich and they haven’t put a cent of their own money in. They are parasitic leeches on our club. Not spending in the transfer window may likely see a return to profit in the full year and dividends paid again. They will love that. Who knows how they will finance an IPL purchase but we shall see if it impacts Utd. I don’t know the nature of SJR wealth so can’t compare, always said I wanted neither, I wanted an owner who would clear the debt. This is a poor set up.

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29 Jan 2026 19:12:36
The thread below left me with the following thoughts.
Some say the league is poor this season.
I think its never been more competitive.
There is 9 epl teams into the next rounds of european comp 6 of them already in last 16.
I hadn't quite put my finger on why the league results were so inconsistent.
But perhaps the reason is because half the teams are playing in Europe now and their squads are struggling with the demands.
Look at palace league form as the season drags on.
Newcastle are suffering.
Spurs can produce one off results in cl but are not winning at the weekend.
Arsenal are coping best but just on a poor spell of form as games mount.
Rice covered every blade of grass in 1st 55 mins on Sunday and died a death in last 20. he had done same against inter on Wednesday.
So I am leaning towards the conclusion that this season has been so all over the place results wise purely down to players not being able to cope with the demands and play to the level required once every 3 or 4 days.


How often do the top race horses race?
How often do the top athletes race?
How often do the top rugby players play?
No wonder injuries in soccer are the way they are. Rugby players get battered every game but not many miss the amount of games soccer players do. They are not subject to the same travel either.
The rest of the teams are getting stronger and certainly strong enough to play any top team 5% off their best.
There has been an element of rest getting better and the best playing too much so can't turn it on every week.
City and Chelsea are on the back of a club wc too.
Given the wc this summer I'm sure we can expect the same again next season.
Again imo the rules have to change squad sizes increased and players can only be allowed to play x amount of mins per season for their own health and safety and well being and also to allow and force all clubs into playing home developed players to a minimum of x mins per season.

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31 Jan 2026 09:59:18
Limiting minutes played is a really interesting idea.

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31 Jan 2026 11:29:20
I think the idea of it being a "poor league" comes from the fact that we don't have any standout teams right now.

I feel like there has been a bit of a drop off from the bottom 4 or 5 teams (mostly promoted clubs who are struggling to close the gap to the middle pack of the EPL), while there has also been a drop off in out and out quality from the top 2-3 sides (Liverpool, City definitely) . Combined with a jump in quality from the middle of the pack sides.

We are seeing the impact of the wealth of the EPL being more evenly spread across the league compared to other top European leagues, meaning teams that finish 10th are more financially secure and able than around 90% of the teams that compete in the UCL. I saw something a while ago where they had the top 20 richest clubs in the world and around half of them were from the EPL.

That enables those mid-table sides to bring in quality players that would ordinarily be playing for UCL sides abroad.

That has closed the gap between them and the sides towards the top of the league and pulled them away from those sides at the bottom.

Arsenal will probably win the league this year playing some truly dreadful to watch football, mostly because the teams that would normally beat them to the title have dropped off.

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01 Feb 2026 18:56:46
You could argue that 7 substitutions could be allowed to manage pkayer fatigue and reduce the risk of injuries.

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04 Feb 2026 16:17:18
It’s not a great league, how often do you see great games, technically it’s not great either but it’s competitive

I would describe as competitive not great.

Arsenal are dreadful to watch but they will win league, that says it all.

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27 Jan 2026 11:33:33
Dorgu out for 10 weeks with a hamstring issue. This is gutting considering his form right now.

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27 Jan 2026 12:21:11
We've got options at least. Bring Sesko in up front, Mbeumo out wide. Or like for like bring Cunha in to play a free role out wide

Lad is young so hopefully heals up fast and well and don't rush him back.

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27 Jan 2026 14:34:02
It really is a shame. He has been a breath if fresh air on LW.

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27 Jan 2026 14:46:46
I'd be wary about the Cunha straight swop. Not exactly renowned for his tracking back to help the defence. It'll probably be Sesko. And just as I'd brought Mbuemo into my dream team, thinking he'd be playing up front 🤦.

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27 Jan 2026 15:05:53
Leaves us a bit light on the left at left wing and left back tbh don't what dalot on the left and malacia probably isn't quite up to the level.

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31 Jan 2026 08:25:05
Nou, I can see that but also think there's a more togetherness in the squad right now. Everyone is working hard for each other.

I think both Sesko and Cunha come in IMO. This is a game where we need a focal point up top. And after the last 2 performances from Cunha, he's chomping at the bit to start, it's ideal for him IMO.

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27 Jan 2026 11:29:49
Patrick Dorgu is set to be out for around ten weeks after scans reveal a hamstring injury.
Bummer!

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19 Jan 2026 21:18:06
League is incredibly absurd this year. A loss at Arsenal and win for teams around us could see us end the weekend level on points with 10th placed Everton.
Last couple of seasons teams have needed an average of 68 points to get 4th place.

I honestly think this season 60 points can get us there seeing as everyone is just dropping points randomly. The league is genuinely so poor.

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{Ed025's Note - very poor mate..

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22 Jan 2026 12:00:29
Is it poor, or are all the clubs getting to a similar standard with the huge influx of money they all get?

Trying not to lol through nostalgic road tinted specs, but I do think ithe Premier League is not the product it once was for sure, but it’s just more competitive as anybody can beat anyone on the day. Surely that better than a monoploly if 1-2 clubs winning all the time?

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22 Jan 2026 13:54:04
Look through nostalgic rose tinted specs that meant to say!

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22 Jan 2026 19:59:17
It’s more competitive then any other league, but the football suffers, technically the football is very poor in EPL and this year even worse, how many great games do we see in a season?

Most of our teams come up against Madrid, Barca, Munich and PSG even now and we lose, the quality comes through, EPL is now full of Robots, or just extremely fit athletes that really ability of football is really lacking, it’s now fitness first and you can kick a ball then great, which is a shame.

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23 Jan 2026 11:02:52
The terrible premier league has 6 teams in the top 11 positions in the champions league, 3 of which are above PSG, 5 of them above Barca.

That football really is lacking.

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26 Jan 2026 03:19:10
or just a very difficult league and competitive if you take a look at the cl table and where english teams sit and dominating europe.

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26 Jan 2026 13:12:42
Epl football is like a different sport compared to the rest of Europe. Had a great conversation with the late Ray Wilkins on this. He was adamant that is like playing 2 different games.
The power and strength aspect outweighs technical ability in the epl.


Of course the epl players are also good technically but there is not the same emphasis on it.
The elite epl teams have both but its hard for most European teams to live with the physicality.
The elite ones do of course but in the main they are not as strong physically.

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27 Jan 2026 12:23:00
Teams aren't taking advantage of dropped points this season that's for sure. The players, like in every sport, are becoming athletic phenoms compared to yesteryears. You can still win games on pure footballing brilliance but it's much harder to break down these athletically talented players now compared to before.

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17 Jan 2026 16:32:55
Fair play to Ken, he called this a couple of day's ago, stating he thought we would win when all the usual neg heads were predicting doom and gloom.

I recall a true expert telling us Haaland would destroy Licha with ease. How many times has he been disrespected so! In all his time with us I do not remember a single game where he has been taken apart by an opposition player. You have to be a true idiot to ignore what has actually happened since he joined us by saying such things.

Haaland is without doubt a superb player, but today I gave Licha 8 out of 10 and Haaland, a generous, 3 out of 10.

Only real complaint of today was we did not score 4 or 5. Can't wait for Arsenal game, hopefully another performance of today's quality.

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17 Jan 2026 19:24:49
Haaland has scored in 1 of 7 games against Martinez, he's won 4, drew 1 and lost 2. Not a bad record at all. Scholes and Butt are genuinely thick, not surprised.

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17 Jan 2026 19:31:59
Even a broken clock is right twice a day iwotb🤣
But I go into every game believing we can win it doesn't matter who the manager is or who he picks i go into every united game predicting a win.
Thankfully I'm not a betting man.

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17 Jan 2026 22:26:22
Totally agree Ken, I also expect to win every game we play, surely to god that is the very essence of being a supporter! If you do not feel that way, then fine, but stop pretending.

Every game we play, shortly before kick off, you see the same names posting on here about how we are going to be destroyed and conceding defeat before starting. I love it when they end up with egg on their faces!

I know we will lose games, but wait for it to happen and then, at that time, accept it with good grace and move on.

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18 Jan 2026 03:53:59
For me it used to be believing we could win every game. Over the last however long it has become hoping we could win any game.

Recently, even with Amorims strange tactics I was drifting back to believing we could win.

Let’s temper that storm. We always seem to get up for these games and have beaten City 10 times in Peps tenure, so I hope consistency starts to happen and we can really get up and about!

C’mon you Reds!

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18 Jan 2026 09:03:34
We’ve see this movie before but we can at least celebrate a brilaint performance and win. So refreshing.

It’s role reversal a bit with City right now on derby day though. We often lost away to them when we were the dominant force.

The key is to get them fired up like that every week. Having said that, players buy into instructions that are easy to understand and that give immediate results. Amorim’s methods did neither let’s be honest. Great start Michael and team.

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19 Jan 2026 17:39:04
I agree with you IWOTB, however I will say that over the last few years/decades that expectation that we will win every game has been diluted by the neverending dose of reality that are/were in decline, that's fine to have a readjustment.


I want us to win every game, but reality is that we probably won't at this stage, but I will always want them to. Hence why when they fall off a never-ending supply of cliffs, j get let down by constant underachievers.

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11 Jan 2026 22:26:11
Fletcher comments after the game ‘champions league is the objective, definitely got the talent to do it the players have to go on the pitch and for me the players have to take responsibility for that as well it’s not on the manager it’s not on the club’
So now there is no manager to blame it’s the players to blame.

This is what happens when you get someone in who’s cosied up to the board.
You can’t just put more effort in or have more confidence to win games if you have a squad with a weak midfield and prob other areas that need improvement. They are set up to fail. No accountability from above.

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12 Jan 2026 06:47:45
“Definitely got the talent to do it” is an owner mouthpiece comment.

How many times must I say the ownership must change completely.

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12 Jan 2026 07:31:09
Could also just be his view on the players Red Man.

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12 Jan 2026 09:19:01
Fletcher is right cl is best they can hope for. Amorim had them in that spot or near as they have been for a long time. So hopefully the interim and new manager will do as well as amorim in that regard. He was getting the very most out of the squad he had.

Perhaps over achieved. I think the foolish fans who didn't realise that will very soon.
So we know they can be competing really closely for a cl spot. We know they're can they were doing. I wonder if they can still do it under a different coach.

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12 Jan 2026 10:59:56
32% win rate in the league, overachieved 😂.

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12 Jan 2026 17:24:52
3rd best scoring, 5th when Amorim left.
Last season our biggest downfall is we didn’t score enough that has changed this season. I think it’s called progression.
Defensivly you can see the team is crying out for a DM.

The board didn’t want to listen and would rather start again and get involved in first team tactics.
442 will only make our defensive fragility even worse. Will be lucky to finish top 10 imo.

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19 Jan 2026 16:16:39
No point in progression in scoring if your letting in double at the back that was always going to be the problem under RA to build a team like he was trying is arse about face, plus the build up was far too slow and ponderous he was just out his depth couple that with crazy interviews he gave just showed the naivety of the man
Job was always too big for him.

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10 Jan 2026 11:25:09
Amorim sympathy is peak on here right now.

Time to move on lads.

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11 Jan 2026 13:38:03
Utd Road you're one of those on here that have been banging on the drum to play a back 4 constantly. I've sympathy for Amorim to have to deal with this questioning of his formation when that's what he came here as. He deserves sympathy because he didn't get the backing to succeed that he should have.

When he had close to a full squad he demonstrated repeatedly the improvement he had promised.
If you get to harp on about formations for 14 months I'll move on when I'm good and ready.

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11 Jan 2026 17:16:48
Yea time to move on and forget and forgive the board the glazers Wilcox berrada and Jim. That’s the problem with supporters like you, it’s just let’s move on start again. I’ve lost count now of how many times we have moved on.

It shouldn’t be treated as normal.
We are going to go back to last season form with a 442 with this squad we will be wide open. It may be exciting but we will lose more than we win.

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11 Jan 2026 19:37:33
My one consolation is I stopped helping lay these goons wages a while back.

But Ineos have made a right title mess of things so far.

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12 Jan 2026 00:31:22
Twenty someone said the other day we would win a lot of games playing 4 at the back

So we should be smashing it now.


The club deserve all they get from now till may

Hopefully they finished as low as possible and the rat Jim and his fools would have oversaw the two worst finishes in prem history

Like don red said with a full fit team we saw progression and improvement but the club as always like Amorim said himself they can’t handle the Gary Neville’s and experts on social media.

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12 Jan 2026 16:43:17
Exactly bolger.
That's twice now they have caved to public moronic media and fans emotions to keep eth after the cup win was just caving in to people who couldn't see past the nose on their own face. Little picture people who don't have the common sense to widen their lens just a fraction. Sometimes its because their ego won't let them.
There was a clear media bias and agenda against amorim led by sky and some of the print media. They caved to the hyperbole again.
They have confirmed the business is working to a strategic plan.

That strategic plan will have had no dependency on what shape the 1st team play at all i'm 100% sure of that. So its not a case at all of starting all over again but there will be obvious tweaks that will need to be addressed.
We can all stamp our feet and say we want a sheik but we don't have one so its about hoping for the best with what we do have.
A few major errors have been uncovered 1 or 2 of that management team can't afford any more cock ups before they show some significant progress.
Next managerial apt is the key one to get right.

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19 Jan 2026 16:17:29
Twenty we were already losing more than we win.

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09 Jan 2026 20:53:49
That’s mbeumo heading back then. Praying for an Ivory Coast loss tomorrow so that amad can follow him 🤣.

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10 Jan 2026 09:57:58
Aye tim, get them back ASAP.

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