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18 Mar 2024 22:05:44
Ed002 are we interested in manu kone and quilindschy hartman.

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

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18 Mar 2024 11:32:37
hi ed02,

will ETH stay at we win the fa cup?

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{Ed002's Note - I expect him to leave in the summer.}

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18 Mar 2024 12:13:43
Madness IMO.

And realistically, who is out there to replace them?

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16 Mar 2024 16:17:26
Teden Mengi has developed really well and is looking very good at Luton. Wonder if we have some sort of clause or did he leave on a free? Can't remember. We really need numbers in defence with potential impeding departures of Evans, Maguire, Varane and Lindelof.

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16 Mar 2024 20:51:41
This is an example of the club not holding on to a player too long and thus low/ stunt/ hinder their development.

Realistically the cream of the crop from the academy should be getting chances in the first team. Those who are 50/ 50 about whether they will be good enough should be first heading out on loan, then/ or being sold with a buy back clause of some kind.

Keeping them "just in case" doesn't suit anyone.

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17 Mar 2024 07:48:08
You can’t afford to have more than 1 young academy CBs in your team. If he had been roasted by Haaland like Luton were, but was wearing a Man Utd shirt then the impact on him would have been catastrophic. Kids need space to develop. Good move for all.

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17 Mar 2024 09:39:54
Agreed Shappy.

For example, Ed Woodward should be renamed Justin Case for this very reason.

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14 Mar 2024 13:58:03
You just have to look at Garnacho and his work rate compared to Rashford even if things aren't going your way you need to at least work hard, but I'm not seeing, time to cash in l thunk too.

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14 Mar 2024 21:47:25
I don't know anything about Rashford's private life (nor should I) but something seems off with him recently.

His lack of effort over the past 6 months is out of character. He has never lacked effort before, he didn't lack effort last season.

He has the talent, and has previously shown the work rate and attitude needed. So what has changed?

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15 Mar 2024 06:12:00
There is too much money involved for you to find out Shappy.

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15 Mar 2024 18:28:48
Wazza, I'm not interested in finding out. I believe everyone is entitled to a private life.

My point is that from the outside looking in it looks to me as if something has happened to cause a shift in Rashford's demeanour and application at the club.

I don't need to know what that is, hopefully the people who need to know do, and they are doing what needs to be done to try and support the lad and help him get back to his best.

If that isn't going to be possible at the club, for whatever reason, then it would be best for all involved for a parting of the waves.

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15 Mar 2024 22:55:02
I guess he'll be off to the Red Sea then, Shappy.

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16 Mar 2024 09:28:41
Who cares what's going on in his private life. Either he can do the job are he can't.

As we can see; he can't so time to say goodbye and bring in someone else who can.

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16 Mar 2024 11:59:05
MancMan, I think that is an overly simplistic view and one that will not encourage the best players in the world to want to join Manchester United.

Everyone struggles with something at various points in their life, and that will ALWAYS impact that persons working life and performance at work.

We also have to appreciate we are dealing with young men, often still boys who are not mentally and emotionally mature, while in terms of players from the academy not even physically mature.

Rashford was 17 years old when he was thrust into the spotlight at Old Trafford. He was never afforded the opportunity to grow up and develop into a man in private. He wasn't afforded the same anonymity to make mistakes and learn from them as most of us have been.

The club have benefited from his performances at such a young age, so the club have a responsibility to offer support to him to help him through any struggles he is having in my opinion.

We can't just throw people away like a discarded crisp packet the moment they don't provide us with the level of performances we desire. Especially when that player has had to make sacrifices to their personal development for the clubs gain.

Rashford has in the past shown a great attitude and work rate, he has been a dedicated player and a model professional. He would take a personal trainer and chef with him on his summer holidays to make sure he was in peak condition upon his return to pre-season training. He is a great ambassador for the club, home grown, local academy lad who has reached the top of the game. He has shown great moral fibre in standing up and fighting for those who don't have a voice during the C.V., making sure children didn't go hungry. He is someone the club and the fans should be proud to call one of us.

His demeanour and the drop in his application this season is in stark contrast to his past 8 seasons with the club in the first team. There has to be a reason for that.

Last season he scored 30 goals across all competitions, to find a player who can contribute 20-30 goals a season will likely cost us 100m+ and is not guaranteed to succeed at the club. While we might be lucky to be able to sell Rashford for 75m at most in all likelihood.

That means we would have to invest more money in finding a replacement than we would get from selling him, while there is absolutely no guarantees that any replacement would be better than Rashford at his best.

Given the sheer number of positions and the huge cost this would come to this summer it seems foolish to add replacing a player who at his best is arguably our best player, at a further cost to us unless absolutely necessary.

It's clear from his recent interview that he has a great deal of affection and love for the club. So I would imagine he'd be willing to try and do what is required to stay and be a success at the club he loves.

While Ole was not a great manager, maybe Rashford needs someone who can put an arm around his shoulder. Someone he trusts, can confide in and will respond to their advice. Someone who can help him through whatever is currently weighing him down. Because if we can get him back to his best then we will have a homegrown, local academy lad who can score 20-30 goals a season and be one of the best players in the league.

Not every player performing badly needs to be solved by selling them and signing a shiny new replacement. Especially those who have shown they can perform to the required level in the past.

Obviously this is a view from the outside looking in and there are a number of caveats to this. For example, if the player doesn't want any help, or if the problem cannot be resolved, or if there are other issues with the player. All things that would change how this should or even could be handled.

My view is that in a summer where we will need to make massive changes to the squad, signing 2-3 defenders, a couple of midfielders and a couple of attackers before even considering replacing someone like Rashford. It just makes much more sense to keep him and try and help get him back to his best rather than pursue a time consuming and costly process of selling and replacing him.

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16 Mar 2024 15:06:55
Great Post Shappy, I have thought the same about some players. These are young men and not commodities. I think sometimes a coach or someone in the club needs to look beyond football to help some players. Rashford got a lot of hate for going to Belfast but was it really so bad. Best done that every week and he's a hero. Agree with everything you posted there.

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16 Mar 2024 19:06:16
While I sort of agree with you shappy to a certain extent I also don't like the constant way footballers can sometimes get a pass because of this or that!

The flip side is everything is fine in his private life and he’s just gone big time and is not working anywhere near as hard as he should, that can also be very possible. Why do we have to look for excuses, I’m telling you now football clubs will have umpteen professional staff members who will be on top of all things players need to deal with outside of football, so ultimately his job is to turn up on a match day and deliver, work as hard as he possibly can to win that game . He isn’t and needs to improve . If I performed as half heartedly as he does in work I’d be gone .

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16 Mar 2024 20:56:12
I get that Chris, and it could very well be that his head has gone without there being a real issue to cause it.

Maybe he just signed his big new deal and felt he doesn't have to work as hard anymore.

My point is more that something has happened/ changed as he was never a lazy player before and he was always seen smiling and laughing with his teammates.

He has seemed sulky and sullen all season, rarely if ever smiling, while at the same time his application on the pitch has plummeted.

That seems to suggest something has happened. If it was just the application I'd be inclined to agree that he's just switched off after getting a huge new deal. But his demeanor and change in how he appears emotionally would suggest that it's something a little more than that.

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17 Mar 2024 04:56:02
How many excuses for players do you think fergy made? He got rid of world class players because he didn't think they were right for the team anymore.

Beckham, stam, van nistelrooy and others all left because fergy made the tough call and they had to go. The club backed him.

Now managers say a player needs to go and the club keeps them for financial, or marketing reasons.

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17 Mar 2024 12:20:16
Dodgy, that has certainly been true under the Glazers, It'll be interesting to see if that is the case now INEOS are running the football side of the club.

You mention Stam being sold, but SAF has stated many times since that he made a mistake in selling Stam when he did. Proving that it can be a mistake just moving a player on without several people making the decision about whether it is best for the club.

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17 Mar 2024 20:03:26
Shappy, there's a direct correlation between Rashford's form and his relationship status with on-off girlfriend Lucy Loi down the years.

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14 Mar 2024 11:12:29
I hope this PGS rumour is true that they are looking at Rashford as there top target in the summer.
Not only do we get rid of a player that can't be ar*ed putting in the effort we also make around 70-80 million pounds pure profit as he has come through the united ranks.
I will drive him to Paris myself.

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14 Mar 2024 11:38:14
Personally I’d keep him - he’s obviously having a tough time personally right now, and a replacement is going to cost us more. We’re all so quick to dump people when they struggle, especially our academy players who we build up then knock down with the same enthusiasm. It’s pretty grim.

On paper, ignoring the off field antics, a forward line of Rashford, Greenwood (if he does come back) and Rasmus with support from Garnacho, Antony and maybe Amad is pretty exciting in my opinion.

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14 Mar 2024 12:06:22
Unfortunately I don't see Greenwood being kept Eric.
I would keep rashford for another season he usually does well in his 1st year under a new coach.
But a big offer might appeal to him as imo he would do well and the experience would be good for his personal development. Not enough English players go abroad imo.

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14 Mar 2024 12:25:42
Rashford has been brilliant for us at times and then downright awful. Symptom of the club maybe but as with some other players the rumours you hear about attitude etc are not always good.
He can't play CF so LF is his true position.
We need some major improvement and I would not be surprised to see a winger come in (like an Olise) and Rashford actually starts being marginalised out of being a nailed on starter and not sure how he would react to that (could we see a Sancho situation) .
Might be time to maximise his value if PSG are actually interested. personally would be happy with a Ramos swap deal (probably not likely) and letting him and Hojlund split the CF duties. Especially if Fernandes stays as they have a good relationship/ link at international level.

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14 Mar 2024 12:36:19
I have no problem with players having bad points in there career even bad seasons but it's the can't be ar&ed attitude i see from Rashford week in week out.
I wouldn't keep him another minute if i had a chance of getting rid.
See Ya!

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14 Mar 2024 13:18:06
I get that point of view too Sim.
I have no idea if there is any truth in PSG making a bid or approach.
But if they do they it's likely that they have been given encouragement to do so from this within rashfords camp. I don't they will be suckered into another wild goose chase like they did before.
I would have no objection to selling him due to the reason you state above.
I think he would do great and I think it would be good for him and for his personal development.
As for Greenwood possibly doing well and it coming to bite us in the ass I don't belive in that at all.
We can only get what we can for him. He is not doing well for us so it's the right decision to sell him if he goes on to do well good for him. I'm sure if we do sell at a reduced fee that we can include done sort of sell on clause.
If getafe could afford in region of 20m and we get in the region of 50% of any profit on a sell on fee then that's the sort of deal I'd be looking to achieve.

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14 Mar 2024 14:58:33
For me it's a no-brainer.

He should be at his peak right now and, unless his conditioning is CR7 level, wear and tear might well become a problem for him.

Irrespective of opinion on whether or not his runs are actually purposeful and/ or productive, he does do a lot of sprinting.
How much longer has he got before his hamstrings start becoming properly troublesome?

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14 Mar 2024 16:15:58
I'm not sure he has ever had a hamstring issue and I can't name too many players that get washed up at 26 with hamstring issues . I can't even think of any sprinters rugby players or athletes in general who suddenly start getting hamstring issues just because they sprint a lot.
Generally I don't think hamstrings are a problem unless you get them early on like Owen did.

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13 Mar 2024 11:02:10
Ed002 you said that a date for eth leaving could well be after 30th June due to a new financial year beginning in July.
Couple of questions relating to that if I can.
1. Do you see this date being relevant for any other new employees such as Ashworth, or possibly freedman or wilcox etc?
2. If changes can't be made until that date, is that not a lot later than ideal?
Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - 1. Possibly but the situation is different with Ashworth.
2. They can be made but it will cost the club more.}

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13 Mar 2024 11:26:49
OK thanks for the response ed002.
Can you elaborate on the Ashworth situation difference?
I understand if you'd rather not.

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{Ed002's Note - It is unimportant.}

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13 Mar 2024 11:33:24
OK thank you ed002.

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11 Mar 2024 20:10:15
Going to be very tough and fast paced game Sunday, if Liverpool bring the same tempo as the City game. Please God ETH doesn't bring Maguire back, but we need legs in midfield and hard work. Liverpool will press high and aggressively. Old Trafford won't allow the same tactics as our game at City. Hojlund should be back which is huge for us, but our midfield and defence have to be strong and aggressive.

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11 Mar 2024 20:46:24
It’s a game that should see the crowd up, if ETH has a clue, we won’t be passing it around the back slowly. We need to put it over their press and get after them. Get the crowd going, make it intense. OT is generally quiet, but when it does get going it can be a bear pit. The game Suarez didn’t shake Evra’s hand at OT, was as volatile as anything. Cup tie, get after them, don’t mess about with Onana at the back or we will get tonked.

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12 Mar 2024 13:58:06
It won't be played at the same pace as the city match.
We don't play at their pace so it will be slower inevitably.
We have a very good chance.
Liverpool were without 4 of their preferred back 5 against city.
It will be interesting to see who eth picks as it's a possibility that the only real 1st choice players missing will be Shaw and martinez.
Win is a must we don't want the season to be over effectively with 10 games to go. I can't remember when the last time that happened was.

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13 Mar 2024 00:58:42
Agree with that word for word Red Man. Be noisy, be direct, be brave. Haven't been to Old Trafford for a couple years now but when it is noisy it is truly special. Happily I'm moving to Manchester in the summer so hopefully I'll be able to make it to more games.

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11 Mar 2024 10:59:16
Good thread below but there are a few misconceptions I think on some people points of view.
Wazza nobody thinks we should be competing to win the league I've never seen anyone suggest that so I think that's a bit of hyperbole on your behalf. Who has said we should be competing to win the league this season and when did they say that?
Some peoples point of view is that this season has been very disappointing. I think everybody agrees that there are mitigating circumstances.
However it's my belief that no matter who plays for eth and no matter what structure is above him he is not the man to carry us forward I don't believe he has shown enough to warrant that chance.
It's simply a case of I don't believe in him no matter who is above or playing for him.
I don't think he is Solely to blame but also I don't think he has the leadership skills to bring us to the next level.
I don't blame him alone I think he has done some things well but not enough to be in charge of a full rebuild.
It's not a case of firing him because of the job he has done it's a case of me wanting him replaced because I don't believe in him enough to be tasked with rebuilding under a new management structure.
It's my opinion and belief.
The new coach will still have to clear out and rebuild I've no confidence that eth is the man to do that. None at all.
But if there is stuff I, or we, are not seeing going on behind the scenes and sjr and team see that and have the confidence i'm happy to accept and support that decision. I don't see it from where I'm sitting maybe they will.
Maybe they won't.
If they don't are they stupid and toxic for not believing eth is the man?
Let's see what they think. I'll support their decision either way when they make it but until then I'm firmly in the out camp because I've seen nothing that gives me confidence that eth with move us closer to city and arsenal over three next 2 or 3 years. I don't think he will get there no matter what the circumstance.
If you think he can do it under a new structure then great let's see what sjr and team think.
A new structure will be there. Players will be moved on either way. I'd rather someone else with a different style takes the reins.
If sjr and team think likewise I'd be interested in whether you would support that or will you be calling them toxic and self entitled.

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11 Mar 2024 11:25:27
You don't want ETH. You've made that abundantly clear over many posts. Who's going to open a book on how long before you repeat this monologue?

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11 Mar 2024 13:19:41
Have you mentioned rashford or the players lately? I think just a often.

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11 Mar 2024 14:23:38
Fizz, I checked, and no bookies are willing to take bets at those odds.

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11 Mar 2024 15:04:48
Wazza 😂😂😂.

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11 Mar 2024 15:27:29
Why not answer the question wazza?

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11 Mar 2024 18:57:38
Ken, what you have said above is exactly what Arsenal 'fans' were saying about Arteta a while back, perhaps some of them were even more strident than that.

As you say you have no idea what is happening behind closed doors, what all players think or feel, I guarantee that some will not want ETH but I also guarantee that every club in the country will have some players who do not want their present manager, so what do you do? get rid of every manager?

I do not think anyone can make a valued judgement on a situation, which by their own admission, they do not know all the facts about. Indeed we know a forensic audit is being carried out on all aspects of the footballing side of the business, perhaps the best course of action is to wait for the outcome of that before passing judgement.

Maybe ETH will prove to be the right manager for us, maybe not, I don't know the answer to that question, but I do think he deserves a bit more time, based on what he achieved last season.

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11 Mar 2024 19:37:03
Weed, I wonder if it’s because folk can’t be bothered because your agenda becomes more clear with each of your posts? Maybe?

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11 Mar 2024 10:57:38
What do we all think of the hojlund interview for the united stand YouTube channel. According to media this morning it has annoyed some teammates who have had a word to him about it. Personally I don't see what the problem is, too many snowflakes at our club who gladly accept praise but want all criticism shut down. They don't think he should have done the interview as the channel as portrayed them in a negative manner. I don't watch the united stand anymore as I'm mainly off social media however I don't think they are as negative as portrayed and a lot of what they highlight I agree with. Also I quite like the fact he sat down with them, beats the usual pre planned, pre rehearsed social media posts the players put out after every loss. What do others think then?

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11 Mar 2024 11:25:19
I couldn't care less Tim who he is interviewed by as long as its cleared by the club.
Just another load of nonsense that will be fish and chip pair tomorrow imo.

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11 Mar 2024 11:26:19
Haven't seen it and am unaware of what has been said so can't comment.

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11 Mar 2024 15:42:23
Don’t think he said anything bad just gave an overview of how he’s finding things. The issue seems to be the channel that he was on and the fact that it has a negative view on the players and their performances. It was cleared by the club Ken as it was done at carrington. I only brought it up as it highlights the general weak mentality and sensitivity of our current playing squad. Praise is good, criticism isn’t allowed…. just see rashford from last week as proof of that!

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11 Mar 2024 18:22:04
If the club cleared it sounds like a non story.
If some players want to boycott fair play to them but unless they decided as a squad to boycott then he did no wrong.

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10 Mar 2024 23:26:22
Hey ed002,

Hope all is well and you are having or had a great weekend. I know you mentioned before of uniteds interest in Amorim, just saw on the liverpool page when talking about Alonso that liverpool face stiff competition for Amorim. Just wondering is uniteds interest very strong in him? Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - I have no way of quantifying "very strong" - Manchester United have an interest in a number of coaches and will certainly have a preferred option Dave.}

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