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06 Jan 2026 19:06:44
But Telegraph Sport revealed on Monday morning that United’s hierarchy took the decision to dismiss Amorim before Sunday’s draw with Leeds United after the manager “lost it” with Wilcox on Friday morning.
Wilcox had intended the meeting to be a chance to discuss the evolution of the team but when the subject of Amorim’s 3-4-2-1 system – to which he has been wedded – was raised the Portuguese “blew up”, according to sources.
Sources said Amorim’s behaviour had grown increasingly erratic in recent weeks and felt his public outbursts, in which he suggested he was being undermined and hinted at a power struggle with Wilcox and the board, were designed to engineer an exit.
1.) 07 Jan 2026 12:46:19
I hope I am wrong but I think after Amorim had players wanting to play for the club and the team behind him, this is meddling from the board in exactly what Amorim Was employed to do, which is coach the team. That includes setting the formation and style of play. It was coming and we were progressing.
The fallout is clearly over the board changing goalposts from Europe to being Champions League, trying to change the 3 year narrative without the extra investment. It's a rubbish show and this is a disastrous decision and we are back to square 1 yet again.
Look how many players have come out in support of Amorim and clarifying they saw him as their boss and leader. An absolutely terrible ego driven decision based on someone reacting emotionally to being doubted within and abused by Wlcox who openly admits to interfering and believing he's a bteer coach.
This is dreadfully short sighted and utterly incompetent.
2.) 07 Jan 2026 17:19:15
The DOF is perfectly entitled to question what's happening on the pitch without the coach throwing all his toys out of the pram. Rather than act as many of our players have done by going public the correct approach would have been either to arrange for discussions with the rest of the management team, and/or if there were indeed genuine tensions between Wilcox and his colleagues, to let that play out.
In tense situations tensions are quite normal as are disagreements. Mature individuals try to negotiate through them. After all, getting into the Champions League ought to have been the priority not just for the club but also Amorim since doing so would provide more funds for the rebuild. If that required a short term modification of approach a reasonable individual should at least consider being less rigid.
3.) 09 Jan 2026 14:08:03
In truth wilcock must resign. he's a rat like Radcliffe and his pathetic ego has dumped utd into chaos.
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17 Jan 2026 17:21:20
Meanwhile Liverpool draw at home to Burnley and so fail to beat any of the three promoted teams at Anfield for the first time since 1980-1 and Spurs continue to struggle despite signing Gallagher.
There are no foregone conclusions in the EPL. Every point has to be worked hard for. I'm still wondering whether we would have had more points at this stage were it not for losing Amad and Mbuemo to AFCON at the moment we were to play the weakest teams.
Hats off to our more experienced older players today. Shaw, Maguire, Bruno and Casemiro were all immense. And I'd like to commend Dorgu who has improved enormously over the last few weeks.
As much as I wanted Amorim to succeed, I think we will do better with 4 at the back. If Carrick takes us into Europe does he get the job full time?
1.) 17 Jan 2026 17:44:19
If we beat Arsenal, he should get the job full time.
What say you Red Man?
2.) 17 Jan 2026 18:11:05
AJH ??? ?.
3.) 17 Jan 2026 18:50:33
I have no idea what you mean Fizz ?.
4.) 17 Jan 2026 19:03:46
A big win for us and even more so with Liverpool dropping points.
Let's be realistic we need top 4 this year without a doubt for the money it brings and the draw for the likes of the balebas the Andersons the whartons to play champions League football.
5.) 17 Jan 2026 19:05:01
How many posters on here would have picked that 11 today?
He got just about every call correct.
It will be interesting to see if he picks the same 11 v arsenal.
They are very strong on their right so durgu helping Shaw out is something we might see next week.
Mainoo will only get better with games he played well with casimero and bruno today.
Good show today and a repeat next week will give us real momentum for the run in.
I think we all want to see a repeat performance then the results will look after themselves. Consistency of that sort of performance will see us into the top 4. Villa have done it so it can be done.
12 Jan 2026 13:51:21
Oh, come on. Amorim's been angling for a way out since last season. It has to have been incredibly frustrating for him to leave a title winning team in a minor league to come to OT and find that the players and mangers in the EPL are way better and could easily exploit the holes his system left, particularly with the limited squad he had at his disposal. I think the problem was that he himself had far less confidence in his much vaunted system and that's why he engineered his own demise. Let's face it everybody could see that, having invested well in the forwards and goalkeeper, we still needed a major refurbishment in midfield. So, he had an excuse. He could have played for results for the rest of this season, maybe got into Europe and the club would have spent to fill those serious deficiencies. But, no, he decided to throw his toys out the pram. That's the action of someone who, despite all the protestations to the contrary, doesn't really believe in himself.
Yes, there has been some improvement since last season at least in the attack, but it's been made up for by an event worse defensive record. His results have been abysmal. My guess is ETH would have done better last season, and he would quite possibly have put a side out to beat Spurs in the Europa final (if he'd got us there) . I actually liked Amorim. He had a chance to make a name for himself as the coach of one f the most famous clubs in world football. but he bottled it.
One wonders if we hadn't lost players to Afcon and we had won those drawn games against bottom clubs, whether all of this would have gone down in the same way.
1.) 12 Jan 2026 14:31:17
Your interpretation of this appears to me to be wildly wide of the mark. My reading - which could also be very far off - is that they decided to replace RA several weeks ago, but to do so in the summer. That then led to a change of approach towards the winter transfer window, and that RA would not get reinforcements to ensure better balance to the team - as we because limited owing to how bad our left side has been. This created tension, and this was compounded by then being told he needed to play a different formation. Wilcox also addressing the squad to tell them they were underperforming was another straw. Amorim was too emotional but I put very little of this whole debacle on him.
Wilcox, Berrada and Ratcliffe should have shown more patience and backed the manager. Amorim had a paper thin squad and when multiple players from the 7 or 8 good players he has were missing then things didn't look good, but when he had those players available we looked like a really really good side. The posters on here that are suggesting otherwise are talking crap. Numerous metrics demonstrated this improvement.
2.) 12 Jan 2026 15:22:21
One also wonders if Wilcox hadn't interfered as he has admitted to and supplied Amorim with a midfield without moving the goal posts after engaging him if Amorim would have reacted as he did.
It's all conjecture. All very bizarre.
12 Jan 2026 09:15:42
Terrible result, terrible season thus far.
I still think we'll do better when we have all our players back. My starting line up from the squad would be: Lammens - Mazraoui, de Ligt, Heaven, Shaw - Mount, Casemiro, Fernandez - Cunha, Mbuemo - Sesko.
Neither Dorgu (despite some improvement) nor Dalot are good enough as defensive full backs. The latter too often has a dreadful first touch, like yesterday when he had a golden chance to put us ahead.
1.) 12 Jan 2026 10:50:04
So fletcher bows to the media and pundits and possibly internal pressure too and plays the unplayed who mange to collectively prove why they were never played.
Who knew a coach could be so clued in after watching players daily in training and already tried them numerous times.
2.) 12 Jan 2026 11:18:28
If there's a worse player in the PL than Dalot please tell me.
Absolutely gutless in all aspects!
The amount of times Brighton attacked down his side of the pitch and were allowed to get crosses in to our box was unbeliveable.
Dalot was lazy all game, never made any effort to get over to his man to stop the cross instead just sticking out a lazy leg.
I can't bear watching this team especially when that clown is in it.
I am not by any means blaming it all on Dalot, the whole team is to blame for last night's debacle.
Nothing suprises me anymore.
3.) 12 Jan 2026 11:45:03
Seems unfair to keep blaming the players when above them is a role call of total mediocrity and negligence all the way to the top.
Multiple managers, coaches, formations, “tactics” etc. last night they looked beaten, like they had no idea wtf was going on, against a quality and well organised team and club.
Why appoint Amorim and then sack him half way through the project? What because he showed some emotion and passion against a long list of faceless corporate stooges. Football is passion, it ought to make us happy, sad, excited, nervous, angry etc. That’s why we love it.
Fair play to him. Like I said many times. I didn’t love his football but loved his personality. And replacing him with either a failed Cardiff or Middesbrough manager is frankly a farce. We should all be absolutely furious as fans.
4.) 12 Jan 2026 12:06:53
Hi Eric.
I think they had to sack him after his outburst.
Ive read that some gel he had won tyke poer battle with wilcox but obviously nobody told amorim that.
He felt hard done by and stuck to his principles its admire that it is what sushi many before him lacked.
So I can't lay all the blame on his superiors for saving him.
After the row with wilcox nobody backed him and told wilcox to butt out so that was the final straw for amorim as it appears to me.
Nobody has come out of the debacle looking good imo.
Amorim should have been cuter and less emotional and his superiors could and should hence communicated better.
What's done is done so we can only hope the new guy gets as much from them as amorim was and we hold on to that European place.
5.) 12 Jan 2026 12:06:56
Eric I have to disagree, to an extent you can blame the managers etc
But ultimately it’s the players, the manager ain’t the reason Dalots decision making is L1 standard, and that he is consistently putting in poor performances after poor performances
And this isn’t just this season he has been bad for years, yet we keep players who don’t perform at this club
Any other big club gets rid.
You can blame the manager for playing him every week and expecting different results but that’s where it stops for me
This cycle of hire and fire yet certain players are still there
JOSE bought dalot. How long ago was that? Ridiculous that he’s still at the club.
6.) 12 Jan 2026 12:07:52
I do agree with the rest of your post tho Eric spot on,
Some are actually looking forward to having Carrick as interim.
How we have fallen Jesus.
7.) 12 Jan 2026 12:15:31
Brilliant post Eric.
8.) 12 Jan 2026 12:42:22
Who is looking forward to the Carrick appointment bolger?
9.) 12 Jan 2026 13:19:15
Can't say I am.
ED001, Who in your opinion would be good i terim managers?
{Ed001's Note - that's difficult because it just needs to be someone who can organise and motivate the players. Normally you need things such as discipline and coaching (obviously I guess) but when it is just short term, you don't really want them coaching the players too much unless it is in the right direction. Same with tactics, you just want them to keep it basic and leave pretty much a blank slate for the permanent guy to come in and build on.
Really, the ideal interim managers are the likes of Moyes, Allardyce, Glasner and Hodgson. Ones that will just focus on getting the team organised and fit. There are not many ideal ones out there, especially as you need them to be out of a job to begin with, no point paying out for an interim! Maybe someone like Carrick alongside Mike Phelan (if he is available) would be the safest route. It is unlikely to give you excitement and scintillating football, but it is about a safe pair of hands to get through until the new man comes in. Other than that, there really are not a lot of options out there. It is actually the ideal role for Southgate, but I doubt he would want an interim role. Maybe Adi Hutter just to make Ed77 happy?}
10.) 12 Jan 2026 13:37:50
Fully agree with that ed001.
11.) 12 Jan 2026 14:39:03
Cheers ED001. Much appreciated.
{Ed001's Note - very welcome mate.}
05 Jan 2026 10:38:20
So, the Amorim era is over. Another one bites the dust. Fortunately our PSR problems will be over at the end of this year so the cost of his departure should not impact us. My son will be delighted. Hates the back 3. Besides the holes in midfield it often left Yoro marking a speedy winger which he is clearly not cut out for.
Pity, really. Despite everything we were seeing improvement from last season and I personally would have been okay with waiting to see how we fared after another summer transfer window before judging him. But, as has been pointed out, you can't publicly criticize your superiors and expect to retain your position. Not dissimilar to Ronaldo in a way. It's particularly unforgivable after the club had backed him and defended him against all the criticism and calls for his dismissal. Airing ones dirty laundry in public is far too prevalent in this era of self-importance. It's the Megan Markle syndrome.
1.) 05 Jan 2026 14:28:59
Everyone would agree he was gone after that presser. Shame, I quite liked the guy but didn't like his formation and don't think it got the best out of the squad he has, poor as it is. Seemed to be making progress on standards/culture.
When people talk about playing progress, we are definitely better than last year but I think we're only 2 good buys better (Mbeumo and Cunha) oh and keeper upgrade.
No clue what happens now but definitely not just the manager (coach? ) at fault here.
31 Dec 2025 14:52:29
How many of us were kind of expecting that result or even fearing a loss last night, especially with so many of our primary goal scoring threats and better players out for one reason or another? It could have been worse if we hadn't improved our goalie during the summer. It could have been better if Sesko was an in form striker. Was it the system? Or was it that we were forced to field a team that, if it was the best we had to offer, would be fighting relegation notwithstanding the system? Without Amad, Mount, Bruno, Mbuemo, Mazraoui, Mainoo, De Ligt and (yes) Maguire, what's left of the squad would almost certainly not be good enough to remain an EPL team whoever was the manager and whatever his style.
Let's hope the club can fill a gap or two when the window opens.
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07 Jan 2026 17:19:15
The DOF is perfectly entitled to question what's happening on the pitch without the coach throwing all his toys out of the pram. Rather than act as many of our players have done by going public the correct approach would have been either to arrange for discussions with the rest of the management team, and/or if there were indeed genuine tensions between Wilcox and his colleagues, to let that play out.
In tense situations tensions are quite normal as are disagreements. Mature individuals try to negotiate through them. After all, getting into the Champions League ought to have been the priority not just for the club but also Amorim since doing so would provide more funds for the rebuild. If that required a short term modification of approach a reasonable individual should at least consider being less rigid.
27 Nov 2025 20:31:13
You mean the 10 men Everton team that had 2 shots, one of which was on target and which got a deflection to beat the goalkeeper?
26 Nov 2025 20:43:26
£25m for a 17 year old from a mid level Dutch team who isn't going to solve any of our current issues? It could be good long term business but could equally well be a bust.
24 Aug 2025 13:15:25
Bruno has been the best player in a very average to poor declining team for the last 5 years. As good as he might be/ have been, he's presided over the worst United team since the EPL began. He's being frozen out of his best position by quality team players. He's clearly not in the club or Amorim's longer term plans notwithstanding utterances to the contrary. If he's willing to go the club should jump at the opportunity to cash in. It's all profit. If it's going to happen let's hope it does so quick enough for a genuine #6 to be brought in.
20 Aug 2025 20:20:26
Including the amortization cost of the last 10 months of his contract of about £12m he's going to cost us 80% of his £13m salary. So around £22m in total. You would think most clubs are going to steer clear of a players who has been rejected by United and Chelsea and who, rather than grasp an offer to play football somewhere, would prefer to sit on his arse for the next 10 months. Itv would be worth it for United to sell him for £20m and cover 1/ 2 the remaining salary commitment, but a player who was highly touted, was once considered to be of international quality, can't even command a £20m transfer.
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17 Jan 2026 15:08:13
Redman. It's nothing to do with accounting rules. Of course they want dividends again. But to get them they'll need to make profits. I'd prefer they invested in the club rather than took dividends, but the only thing I really care about is the quality if our football.
17 Jan 2026 11:39:41
Redman, I'm only going to quibble with one thing. There are no dividends at the moment and haven't been since 2022. Personally I'd be really happy if the club was doing well enough to generate profits and be able to pay dividends, whether or not they are actually paid. If United wasn't a public company we wouldn't likely know what the shareholders were taking.
Why do people invest? To make money via income and/or capital appreciation. There's nothing unique about owners taking dividends, management fees, salaries etc. Despite the restraints put on SAF thanks to the requirement to service LBO debt, the club was in a decent leverage position after it went public. Since then United has spent plenty money on players. They've just done a crap job at it. That's the real travesty. The appalling mismanagement. If we were winning titles regularly would anyone really care that the owners were making money out of the club?
10 Jan 2026 00:09:42
Yes BRD, given all the players he needed to run his system he might well have proved himself to be a great manager. The club was aiming for 2028 as the year by we should be challenging for the title again. So, the question remains, if the club - which has backed him up in public repeatedly despite all the criticism and pressure from the press and pundits - was prepared to be patient, why wasn't Amorim?
I agree with Danny. The pressure became too much, so he got himself fired for doing exactly what we've been highly critical of a number of players for doing. He never gave himself a chance to see how he could do with the players he needed, some of whom would surely have been acquired in the summer. He could have toed the line, relaxed his intransigence, and played for the summer to acquire better players. But no, that's not what he chose. That's down to him. So he will leave the club with the history books showing his awful record. He may have been successful, he may not have been. No one will ever know. The next manager will get the credit for any success down the line. That's how it works.
09 Jan 2026 17:42:24
I supported Amorim all the way. He did a lot of good things. But in the end he had to go. If it's true that he threw this hissy fit simply because Wilcox was questioning the suitability of 3-4-3 at the current moment in time when points are critical to the clubs future revenues and thus the capacity to afford the types of players Amorim needed, then he was totally out of line. Anyone could see that his system had its frailties, leaving holes in midfield and often leaving CBs to mark wingers far pacier than them. There was no indication that the club was asking him to change his system over the long haul. He surely knew that it was a long term project and that the club is hard up for cash. Quite frankly I thought his outburst was the height of immaturity.
It's clear that he's extremely arrogant and devoid of pragmatism. He may end up coaching back in the Portuguese league and doing well. But in the EPL his record speaks for itself. There have been improvements for sure, and many of us were quite prepared to see him have the opportunity to coach a more tailored squad. But, no, he acted like a spoilt impatient brat.
As for the management team I disagree with much of the criticism. They acquired some excellent players. Mbuemo, Cunha and Lammens all look good. Dorgu has actually been playing much better and scored a great goal and made two truly excellent crosses for goals of late. I have a suspicion that we will actually do better in a 4 at the back formation. It should play to Shaw's strengths and cover Yoro's weaknesses.
It may be difficult over the next few months but with the right acquisitions in the summer the next manager should have an excellent opportunity to succeed. It could have been Amorim, but he chose to fire himself, and leave United with a record that will be looked back on as a failure.
06 Jan 2026 18:59:50
I agree Red Man, but only up to a point. We are in a much better position than last year, but, frankly we should be even better off.
I also like the fact that Amorim was not afraid to speak out, but surely he must have been aware how important it is for the club to get back into Europe. We are not in a strong cash position. PSR may be on the way out, but we're still seriously over-leveraged. So extra revenues are essential for the club's finances if we want to be in competition to sign the best players, the ones he needed The fact that he would not modify his approach seemed to me to be a case of cutting off his nose to spite his face, an extremely arrogant approach full of an excess of self-importance. And then to criticize his employers publicly was completely out of order, whether or not what he said was true or not.
I think most of us fans have been realistic and didn't expect us to be competing for the title in year 1. We are prepared to be patient. to a degree. The coach/manager should be thinking the same way, and not having a public hissy fit because he can't get his own way immediately. It's unfortunate, but he had to go.