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23 Sep 2026 20:37:51
I wanted to give a different prespective with some metrics.
-We scored 7 goals while our expected goals are 10.
-We conceded 8 goals, while our expected goals against are 6, 8.
-Our expected points are 8, 2. We colected only 5.
-We have the most shoots in the league, also we have the most touches in opposition and at the same time we are the team to receive the least touches in out area.
-Tielemans covers the most ground (or thereabout), Mainoo covers also a lot of ground and he is first in the league for pass accuracy and he is best by far at interceptions with 40.
Surely we are not playing very good and we are not perfect. Also we don't have a big database so to produce a safe Conclusion.
But, i think, we could be third or fourth if not some mistakes ot bad luck, or even bad reffering in the match with City. Although Tielamans with Mainoo are not a good fit together, stats (and i think our eyes) show that they give a good platform to the team to play on. I think midfield is our strongest are, even then it need more strenghtening. They run a lot, pass with accuracy, play line breaking passes and help the defence and attack.
Problem is the defence and a lot of personal mistakes and the attack, we make to many rush shoots-attemps and although we have most shoots in the league, they are low probability shoots.
1.) 24 Sep 2026 04:37:03
As usual stats can be looked at anyway you like and made to sound anyway to suit the narrative like the ridiculous Tielemans one, covers the most ground . at snails pace maybe . plus the games we played apart from city just sat back and let us play round the middle of the park or across the back line.
The main stats to worry about are goals at both ends.
18 Jul 2026 17:16:06
Only a friendly, but Santos looked a class above anyone on the pitch. Good positioning, always asks for the ball, and great one touch football when needed.
1.) 18 Jul 2026 20:46:14
Should he not look a class above half the players on the pitch anyway! Don't think we should read too much into a friendly against Wrexham, and the first one at that.
13 Jul 2026 23:31:50
Hello Ed001 (especiallly) and friends. I would like your opinion on Sorloths famous pass that he didn't, to Haaland.
I see all people blaming him, the hate online is unheard. I think he is targeted unfairly, i think "journalists" create a tension of nothing, because (this kind of) bad news sells a lot.
Sorloth didn't had a passing angle, i was seeing the match live and the lad tried to pass but there was no passing angle, and then instead shooted the ball. What do you think?
{Ed001's Note - I didn't see the game mate. I don't watch international footie, it is just not the same as club stuff.}
1.) 14 Jul 2026 08:31:01
Totally his fault. All he needed to do was pass the ball. He had the angle, or could easily have manipulated that angle. He hasn't got the guile. He is an awful player, and he screwed that chance too. It's solely on him.
Anybody that's played the game at a decent level knows how simple this was.
Don't agree with the online abuse he is getting, but all he needs to do, same as Lammens, is say that he holds his hands up to the mistake. That's life.
2.) 14 Jul 2026 09:20:41
He just isn't very good. He also won't be the last player to try and score himself when there is a pass on. I didn't realise there had been abuse, people are idiots.
3.) 14 Jul 2026 09:46:23
He brought it on himself. The pass was on for any unselfish team player.
4.) 14 Jul 2026 09:54:02
He's a shocker of a player. I've seen him live a few times, and I think he really is poor.
That pass, or lack of, should I say, sums him up.
5.) 14 Jul 2026 13:21:34
He wasnt good, but thats not my point. He tried, but he couldnt pass because he is a bad player with the ball. Its not that he did it on purpose.
6.) 14 Jul 2026 13:22:17
It was just a poor decision under pressure, and plenty of players do it on the counter attack, which is why I find the narrative that if you score a counter attacking goal, it's less impressive than one that takes 30 passes and breaks open a deep defence.
The reason why there was no passing angle is because Sorloth is so heavy footed and can't shift his weight to move the defenders.
Look at Bruno's pass to Sesko/Mbuemo against Brentford/City, for an example of how it's done on the counter, to move the defence with his body movements and open up the right pass.
7.) 14 Jul 2026 14:07:26
He definitely isn't winger material, but what can you do. He doesn't get in the team otherwise. I thought he'd make a decent no.9 for a mid-table Prem team in a Delap/Fulkrug kind of way.
8.) 14 Jul 2026 15:53:33
No Heaven, you said there was no passing angle. That's nonsense.
He has to make the angle. There was time and space to create the angle. He just didn't do it because he had his head down, like the bad player he is. He tried to go solo, which was harder than creating space for the pass for most players.
He made an arse out of it because he is not good enough technically and likes to glory hunt.
Totally his fault. I'd expect a decent u 16 player to attempt and deliver the pass.
9.) 14 Jul 2026 17:19:28
And its true. There wasn't an angle. What i said is absolutely correct and you said it yourself too-he had to to make the angle, as you say.
Then there is an argument that he could create an angle, and that is another matter. The fact is he did not do it on purpose and my point is the abuse online is not fair.
Bad player yes, maybe. Doing it on purpose? Certainly not. You can't expect from Messi to win the headers Sorloth wins and you can't expect Sorloth to manipulate defenders the way Messi Hazard etc do.
So you critisize a player for what he can do and not what other player could do in the same circustances. The point is, they unfairly abusing the lad, like he didn't pass on purpose.
Maybe you can your time understanding the point before coming to have a dig and playing the smartest person in the room. You are clearly not
10.) 14 Jul 2026 23:00:09
Your point was that he didn't pass on purpose?
Of course he chose not to pass on purpose.
He chose not to pass because he felt he couldn't pull it off. He saw the chance to pass, and purposely chose not to pass.
It's not a case of trying to be smart at all.
No player loses the ball on purpose, but plenty choose not to pass and back themselves.
On this occasion, it went wrong. If he had ignored the pass like he did and scored, he'd have been the hero.
There are several options open to him; he makes his choice in a nanosecond, he has time with it.
It's like a penenka pen when it goes wrong.
He shouldn't be getting online abuse, nobody should, for making a wrong decision in a play like that. It's not a big deal.
But don't think he didn't ignore the pass on purpose. He definitely chose not to pass.
11.) 14 Jul 2026 23:19:24
I criticise players for their choices, their consistency, and their input to the team play, and for a host of reasons, but I genuinely don't expect them to do things they are not capable of.
I've no issue with teams playing long to a big man, for example, and if everybody plays to that plan, it is effective. You then judge players on that sort of criteria.
Players like Sorloth have their place in certain systems and teams, and he has his strengths. His coach picks him, he plays for a big team.
Any player at that level should make an attempt at that pass, but he made the wrong choice to ignore it.
He backed himself to pull off a 1% route to goal, instead of backing himself to play a pass that, in that second, he clearly didn't fancy.
He had probably a 40% chance of pulling it off. He chose not to try the pass on purpose. Poor call, as it turned out. I'd say Haaland was fuming and thinking to himself when he saw it with Sorloth, "oh dear, wrong man in the right place at the right time."
It could easily have been a header chance at the back post when he would have been the right man in the right place at the right time.
Same idiots abusing him would have been cheering him.
That's football.
So I agree with your 1st point on the abuse, but not your second that he didn't not pass on purpose.
28 Jun 2026 22:21:32
Hello guys. What are your opinion about recent links with Ayyoub Bouaddi? Do you think a midfield trio of Mainoo, Ayyoub Bouaddi and Mateus Fernandes can win the league in the near future?
1.) 29 Jun 2026 08:46:30
If Declan Rice, Zubimendi and Odegaard can, then they most certainly can. They are hardly Iniesta, Xavi & Busquets, are they?
2.) 29 Jun 2026 09:27:27
I think at present, Bouaddi is overhyped. He is one to look out for in the future.
3.) 29 Jun 2026 13:47:19
Apparently he prefers other clubs to us, if you believe media reports.
12 Apr 2026 00:51:29
Eds and posters. I too saw Bornmouth against Arsenal, visitors were the best team and i was also impressed with Iraola. That said, although they are in great unbeaten run, recently they weren't great and some results flattered them.
I have two questions: Is there a managers profile for Iraola? Bacause i didn't find one.
And second, because i keep reading that he is like Klopp, is he really the closest to Klopp? Because i think he is a little bit more organised, pragmatic and defensively than the great German. Thank you.
{Ed001's Note - I would say Hoeness was closer, but other than that, yes. Klopp was very organised, that was how he made the press work. It requires a lot of organisation to get it right, which is why so few can get the results he did with it.}
1.) 12 Apr 2026 13:11:33.
Iraola has done a phenomenal job at Bournemouth. They aren't a huge team that have the same kind of financial power behind them as many other EPL clubs, but he has got them playing some really good football, especially when you consider that last summer they lost their first choice keeper, both first choice CBs and their LB. This meant they had to replace four of their back five. They also lost a couple of other key players like Ouattara, Billing, Jaiden Anthony and Sinisterra. Then, in January, they lost their best player, and arguably the best player in the league this season, Semenyo.
That's 6 of their first-choice players from last season gone, along with another 3 who were regular players.
That's a lot of disruption, and yet they've managed to ride that out fairly well.
Imagine if this summer we lost Lammens, Dalot, MdL, Martinez, Mbeumo, Amad, Mainoo and Zirkzee, and then had to replace them for less than we got for them.
How would you expect that to impact our season next year?
Iraola has done a phenomenal job in the circumstances. The real question is whether he can scale up his approach to a bigger club. His high-energy, team-focused approach works great at "smaller" clubs, but can he convince the guys on big wages with big egos to put that ego to one side and to run through brick walls, to put the team above themselves? That's the real question with him as a manager: can he take the next step?
2.) 12 Apr 2026 13:08:23
Thanks as always Ed001
{Ed001's Note - very welcome mate.}
3.) 12 Apr 2026 15:56:03
Shappy, all that is true, but look at McKenna. Relegated last year, he lost a bunch of players, including his best two, Delap and Hutchinson, and yet here they are, storming towards automatic promotion again.
The challenge for Iraola, and the likes of McKenna or Glasner, is: can they cope in the United goldfish bowl? Harry made some interesting comments this week about the club being too big for some players, and I suspect the same is true of managers.
There are some very impressive managers out there doing it at 'lesser' clubs (in terms of pressure), but the risk is they can't handle what is still one of the biggest jobs in football.
4.) 12 Apr 2026 21:33:58
Ipswich aren't storming to the Premier League. I have followed them closely to see how McKenna was doing.
They have had more than a few well below par performances, and the Championship is not of a particularly high quality either this year.
Southampton have hit form, and Coventry have been the best team overall, but generally the rest are mediocre.
I really don't think anyone can judge McKenna and say with a high degree of confidence that he would be able to take Utd to the next level.
I am not saying he cannot, just that we don't have enough evidence to judge him on.
Iraola, by contrast, as Shappy points out, has a track record over more than just a single season in the Premier League, despite the severe handicap of losing his best players.
The real problem for any manager, be it Carrick, McKenna or Iraola, is whether the players at Utd are determined enough to knuckle down and work really hard, and follow instructions....
5.) 13 Apr 2026 09:03:45
Fair points, Salford, but my wider point was doing it at a 'smaller' club is no guarantee a Manager can deliver at United. Alonson was awesome at Leverkeusen, but was sacked by Madrid. Same story with Nagelsmann.
I genuinely have no idea who we should appoint. I think Enrique would be a great appointment, but beyond that, I just see huge risks.
6.) 13 Apr 2026 17:46:20
Nobody will succeed in year 1, and our fans don't like the thought of change or don't understand patience. Whoever comes in needs the 3 or 4 years Klopp, Fergie, and Arteta were given and needed. It's the same story at Chelsea. Very few do what Jose did the 1st time at Chelsea.
7.) 13 Apr 2026 21:19:46
Sigh! Another rebuild period. I'll be dead before we have rebuilt at this rate!
01 Nov 2026 13:37:35
Eric maybe Amorim was not the answer long term, who knows. Not me, not anyone defending Amorim said he is the second coming or the new SAF. But i think he was a very good solution for at least 2-3 years to make the team athletic, oust the bad apples etc.
I didn't like Amorim at first place because of his system, but over time he won me and i became a fan.
And i think this is the apropriate sequence, because people make the opposite. They make their mind for a manager, only for him to come and fail misserable, only for him to become permanent and fail i would say.
01 Nov 2026 01:52:57
Its a pattern with analytics. Stats showed we were a team on the up with Amorim with mixed results, some of us said that results usually comes when your metrics are so good. And results came, although with Carrick.
Then same people said that with Carrick every metric (including run stats) went down and results will follow. It was no suprise that results followed bad performances.
Metrics are the best way to predict future results, yet some people insist that "the result matters". And look at us woth Carrick who did had great results last year. All of this ofcourse was avoidable. And ofcourse it was not about Amorim and Carrick, there are a lot of good, surely better, coaches than Carrick over there.
31 Oct 2026 02:12:16
It would be funny to see Icardi at 30+ and in his condition in Premier League. Defenders would eat him alive.
26 Oct 2026 02:50:27
Wanting Rice and Kane should mean nothing for blessed people like us who had the privilege to read the great 002. I remember, at the time, Rice wanted to stay at London, as per the great man. Kane is a different case, Spurs would sell to us only for 120-130 or more.
*My humble opinion is that Kane wouldn't be as good here. He is my favourite striker, but with clear weaknesses.
He is a liability off the ball can't press and makes Maguire look quick. He would probably kept having some injuries because of the rhythm compared with age. He made a perfect choice going there and i think its like a win win. He would be useful here and he would score goals no question, but nowhere near what people think.
25 Oct 2026 18:50:50
We were crap with Casemiro too. And Inter Maiami started to lose the time Casemiro went there. Its a beautiful story with Casemiro and all this but i think is not the case.
06 Nov 2026 02:28:43
Good analysis Ed001. I enjoyed the match, it was a good, high intensity game with Liverpool showing their press and attacking intent, although with little end product, and Arsenal excellent defending. I am impressed with how well drilled Arsenal are, not only against Liverpool but against Bayern etc. Their ability to shoot a game down is second to none. I liked Liverpool too, for large part of the game you were the best team, although part of this is Arsenal giving you the ball and trying to defend.
The part i disagree is about stats from Opta, and the stats in general. There are going to be some mistakes maybe, but they don't lie as you say. McAlister's shoot i am not sure it was a shoot, it seems nore of a very bad pass than a shoot to me.
The way he had his body and the weight he tried to put in the pass, suggest that he tried to loop the ball over the last defender, to find Isak who did (half) a move. Then Van Dijks header I am not sure if he tried to make a pass with his head or even if his header was going outside. In this one i am not sure because in our channel we had no replay.
Opta do make mistakes, some times make mistakes and after one hour make correction. For example counting a shoot as 0, 30 xg instead of 0, 25, they will reassess after the match and make the correction. I think in no way they lie.
{Ed001's Note - they 100% lie. I am sure of it for the betting markets. They were 100% shots. Mac Allister's was certainly not a pass, it was a weak shot but it was defo a shot. I am sorry but Opta are bullshit artists. Van Dijk's header was saved but Raya was listed as making no saves, that can't even be argued that Raya saved it. Those stats are not mistakes, they were outright wrong and it is clear to see so no reason to not correct them, but they haven't.}
31 Oct 2026 19:46:27
I am Bruno biggest criticism mate, but he runned a lot until 50-60 and then nothing left in the tank.
30 Oct 2026 09:24:55
His interview has nothing to do, i disagree with what he said but that's a different matter. Ken said it better than me because of my limited English. You are questioning his intentions, i don't.
I think Radcliffe achieved a lot and now he only wants to become immortal, to be a hero. And the only way to do so is to lead our club back to glory. I just think he has no idea about running a football club and being convinced by Wilcox, etc. that there is a quick fix. Then, his involvement (as per reports) make things worse as he has no idea about football.
I remember the great Ed002 saying good things about him, he, as Ken said, described him as a nice person.
And if i remember correctly the great man met him one or two times. I guess at Chelsea in which he was a season ticket holder.
Sir Jimmy is not my favourite person but i want to be fair. 10 years of overspending and billions of debt blocking him for spending more money in transfer market.
We are a club in debt, with losses every year until last and very limited funds compared to our needs. That, I think, would be the case with every owner, or with most owners. We must see in the mirror and accept the situation.
29 Oct 2026 18:14:46
Ed025, I don't disagree that generally he wants money and i think he earned a lot in his life. What he really wants, now, i think, is to build a new stadium and bring us glory.
My opinion is that he wants to be the man who lead us to success and be a hero.
I don't think he wants to build a stadium to bear fruits in ten years and milk the club.
{Ed025's Note - i will tell you what he really wants Heaven and why he wanted to invest in United mate, he has bought all the land around the proposed new site for the stadium which when built (by the way he wants the Government to pay for it) will be worth many times more than he actually paid for it, he has no interest in Manchester United im afraid..its all about the money my friend..
29 Oct 2026 17:39:52
Danny, so you think all Ratcliffe cares about is to build the stadium so he can milk it when he is 80 years old?
I don't believe he wants to put his own money, then i don't think he is here to start milking us from 80 years old to whatever age he lives.
I just think he made some mistakes and trusted the wrong people. I think we must start to think the owner as enemies, they want the same as us. We want success and they want success for their reasons.
{Ed025's Note - not for me Heaven, SJR wants money because money is power, he is an egomaniac mate and people like him never have enough..