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01 May 2024 14:16:37
Do we want Dortmund to win the ECL, possibly allowing them to purchase Sancho, who is clearly happier there than he will ever be at OT?

Despite his improvement and his participation in the semis, this comment rang true:

"He lacks the ease and confidence of his first spell at BVB, " says Gebhardt. "He doesn't dribble as often and he also lacks pace and loses the ball too often. " These attributes make him unsuitable for top flight football in the EPL.

What did we pay for him? £73m? which will now be written down to around £30m. Along with his salary, he'll be costing us c. £30m a year for 2 years if he comes back (assuming ETH is gone) . If I were Sancho I'd be prepared to reduce my salary somewhat in order to play football where I'm wanted and can contribute. It would put this unpleasant saga behind us all. Hopefully the new management group will be inclined to just cut their losses as best they can on this one.

01 May 2024 14:40:54
Shaw this is one of the things I’m most intrigued about with SJR coming in. He’s a minority shareholder, what will his views be on moving players on and how much weight will he hold on any decisions? Clearly we’ve held onto very average players for far too long, likely because we’re not able to find a buyer at anywhere near what we initially paid. Lessons need to be learned from that.

My thoughts on Sancho is that he should be told to find a new club. He disrespected the badge and clearly is a very poor example to youngsters given his attitude stinks.

01 May 2024 00:42:17
I'm going to stick my neck on the block and try to name 15 snr players who will be here next season on sep 1st.
Onana.
Dalot Shaw malacia.
Martinez lindelof big willy,
Mainoo mount
Garnacho rasmus rashford.
So that's 12 plus 3 from whomever we can't sell. Plus hopefully a few youth promotions.
You could perhaps see maguire stay instead of lindelof.
I've not included Bruno and included rashford as that's what I think will happen.
So of that's what we are left with some crazy stuff has to happen.
Find buyers and homes for those on loan
Fernandez looks done
Hannibal vdb sancho and Greenwood. pellistri
A few promises there.
We then need to find buyers and homes for
Maguire / lindelof mctom casimero awb ericksen amad Anthony
More than a few problems there also.
Then there is the job of filling that painfully thin squad.
2 x gk
2xcb
1xrb
3x cm
1xcf
1 x winger l/ r
Imo all bar 1 of the keepers all need to be capable of starting weekly.
If all of that takes place over the next 3 windows I'd be delighted.
It's totally impractical to expect it over 1 window given the restrictions and total restructuring of the management team.
So it will be a case of having to do what they can when they can but somehow improve what we have also.
It's a really cool project. It's not for the fainthearted and a wonderful opportunity for whomever they choose to coach. Be that eth or whomever.
It's a dream job.
Not without plenty of pitfalls and challenges but uts the opportunity of a lifetime imo for all concerned not just the coach. Wilcox and Ashworth too.

01 May 2024 07:21:44
Would have to take quite a few “hits” for most of that to happen Ken. But such a reality is needed.

01 May 2024 08:28:10
only guessing- maguire newcastle
awb palace in deal for elise
erikson brentford in deal for toney
casimiro saudi
varane saudi
antony struggling to get rid
as with rashford
bruno psg
lindelhof everton amad out on loan.
would be happy with that personally and i really think we will see a change in transfer policy with regard to getting shafted big prices as in the past.

01 May 2024 09:14:59
Let's hope the new negotiating team can be more ruthless than their predecessors. We've a history of overpaying and underselling (usually admittedly salary related to help the buying club) . If indeed Rashy and Greenwood are sold there's 2 x £100m players a couple of years ago now looking like £50-60m players. Sure there'd be much interest in both although all the top Prem sides look sorted on the left side in terms of Rashford. Chelsea?
Maguire similar. A decade ago he epitomised all a CB needed to be and Fergie would have had him. Jump forward to the version of football Guardiola has brought to the Prem and now everyone plays this high line. Villa would have been a shout but their line is higher than anyone's. Probably West Ham will come in again, although not all these CBs are going to leave.

01 May 2024 10:25:07
Spenno
Evans is out of contract
Varane is out of contract
I'm suggesting we will sell one of maguire or lindelof.
So which ones do you not see leaving?
Are we giving new contracts to varane or Evans?
Do you think we will keep maguire and lindelof?

01 May 2024 10:56:57
I think the writing is on the wall for Varane and Evans, who may even be retiring last I read.
5 CBs seems a solid pool to choose from with Martinez and a new signing (Todibo? Branthwaite? ) with Maguire, Lindelof and Big Willy duking it out but I'm sure all will play plenty. As we've seen it only takes an injury or two and all a sudden the first choice pairing is out.

01 May 2024 11:20:44
So you don't think we will sell any cb. Interesting.
Thank God you won't be in charge 🤣🤣.

01 May 2024 11:26:36
I think Jonny is retiring. Talk of him being considered for a coaching role at the club. He's a good, experienced professional, and a personable fella, so could be a good shout to work with our younger defenders.

01 May 2024 11:27:17
I think there is so much up in the air as to Manager, potential playing style/ ethos that the new structure will want to play, money available for transfers etc.
It could be that players we like are not going to fit and vice versa which makes it difficult to say who will be sold.
Personally I would like to see us retain Martinez, Kambawala and let the rest go. realistically we will need to retain at least one more unless we see another young player ready to step up.
We could be clever and look to bring in 2 CB's that be first team players with Martinez, then look at an older out of contract player that we could bring in as cover for a year (as we did with Evans) .

It could be we just retain Lindelof or Maguire as this cover player but I would like to think they have more desire at this stage of there career to go somewhere to play more.

01 May 2024 11:28:42
If two leave without being sold. what are you talking about, are you this obtuse?

01 May 2024 11:47:07
100% agree.
He would be a good influence around the club no doubt.

01 May 2024 11:50:24
Nothing to do with being obtuse spenno
You think we will not sell any of our cb that was a surprise to me.
I don't think we will retain all 4 still in contract. I'm surprised you do.
Perhaps it j it still your eagerness to disagree with everything with out thinking. 🤦🤷.

01 May 2024 12:07:25
You're a difficult one Tumble. I don't come here just to be difficult and try to be a pain in the rear end like you seem to. I won't bother having an opinion on anything you bring up.

01 May 2024 12:15:50
Think Maguire stays til the end of his contract. On massive wages which I doubt he’ll reduce, ruling out most of European clubs. If Moyes departs WH in the summer their interest will likely go with him. Maybe Saudi but doubt he’ll want to go there.

01 May 2024 13:22:48
Fuser he may well do. Its up to him really. He may want to play more.
Let's be honest if it were not for injuries he probably would have played a lot less this season.
The new manager might rate him higher who knows.
Either way I'd say one of maguire or lindelof will leave.
Maguire has 1 more year and we have an option to extend by a year so there are lots of options.
I think maguire will make his mind up based on likely playing time. If he feels he will get it he will stay I agree with you.
He has good character even if he is not Fleet footed🤣.

01 May 2024 13:27:45
Spenno if that's the way you feel that's suits perfectly. I won't be doing likewise.
I don't consider people not agreeing with me to be a pain in the arse, you won't agree with most people on most things. That's OK in my book.
If you put up arguments or opinions that folk disagree with have your say debate your corner.

01 May 2024 13:51:06
Spenno, I agree. He can start a row in an empty room. Obtuse is his middle name. PITA.

01 May 2024 14:35:33
Agree with Spenno and Fizz. Pain in the arse is right. Spenno don’t stop posting because Ken has nothing better to do than cause arguments. It’s like trying to have a conversation with the left-curved class clown who would start an argument in an empty box. Every thread ends up the same way.

30 Apr 2024 14:55:25
On the announcement that all the squad is up for sale except some of the young players that have broken into the first team seems a case of a complete re boot .
Looking at the vast first team squad I see up to 36 players some obviously out on loan .
Contract end dates will be crucial as part of the exercise and previous years have proven difficult to move players on especially when they are on good salaries compared to other clubs but still in contract for a year or more.

I suggest that the exercise falls into three categories if my information is correct

Category A
Contracts or loan finish June 2024 .
Heaton, Evan's, Amrabat, Martial ( at last ) . Suggest at best we obtain £5m for Heaton .

Category B .
Contracts that finish summer 2025.
Lindelof, Maguire, Varane, Van-Bissaka, Erickson, Ahmad, Von -Beek, Mctominay, Hannibal, Greenwood . Suggest in the region of best £100m to £130m if all sold this summer .
This is the important category because many at present will attract some sort of fee but if we fail to move on this summer by following year they are able to walk away free!


Category C .
Various contracts that finish between 2026 and 2028!
Salaries range from £20k to £350k a week that includes some young players and then the likes of Casemero, Rashford, Fernandes, Anthony, Mount etc.
Difficult category this one not many clubs will be attracted to match salaries and offer MU the transfer price required .

Obviously some players in category B will possibly be offered one year extensions to try and safe guard the asset.

The new managerial team have a vast task to try and clear suggest up to approx twelve players then recruit possibly four automatic first team players so reducing the squad size.
Additionally as part of the mix the possibility of a new coach / manager with their staff if ETH is seen to run out of time.

What's everyone's view trying to take away any personal grudges on any certain players?

30 Apr 2024 16:53:58
The fox there has been about a dozen posts not dissimilar to yours.
I think the bulk of them my own included were pretty much aligned with your own.

30 Apr 2024 17:05:28
How’re you getting £5m for Heaton when he’s out of contract? 😂

Category B: barring Greenwood, Erickson and Mctominay all of them would most likely be sold at a loss in terms of PSR limiting the amount that Utd can spend regardless of what they sell for.

Given Utd couldn’t afford to pay the loan fee for Cucurella last season, any losses in terms of PSR sales will mean an even more limited budget this summer.

30 Apr 2024 17:11:00
The contract ending players will go but we will struggle to move any players on who could bring in decent money as we are already paying them too much.

Hope I’m wrong but think we will be stuck with a lot of them for at least a year or two.

30 Apr 2024 17:34:26
It's a situation that's been complicated by persistent and long term injuries, which themselves may or may not have contributed to lack of form. For example, would Rashford have been in quite such a bad slump if a fit Shaw and Martinez were operating behind him? Will Mount ever be fit enough to become the player everyone thought he could be, or have we simply bought a Phil Jones dud whose midfield potential, even if he regains match going fitness, has been far surpassed by the likes of Foden, Bellingham etc.

The new management team, with or without ETH, will presumably be limited by FFP in the amount they can spend. So, as much as one would like to see a general clear out, if the fees derived are as minimal and unprofitable as people expect, then the club is going to have to take a gamble on retaining more of the squad than they - and we - would like. They are not going to want to take too many book losses. They're going to have to concentrate on a few key building block purchases.

Whoever is making the decisions this summer, is going to start with their absolute priorities in a 2-3 year rebuilding process. To some extent, departures will have to be determined by the availability of replacements. There's no point in selling Maguire if his replacement is no better. and with Varane and Evans likely gone, retaining Maguire may be a necessity. It may also make business sense, unless a £25m+ offer comes in for him.

I don't think anyone anticipated quite how quickly Casemiro would decline from the player integral to last year's improvements to a slow carthorse this season, but I would imagine the club would love to move him on. It may be impossible given how salty and book value, as it may be with Antony. I don't see them selling Onana this summer either.

We'll see, but I think there's going to be a lot less activity than we or the club would like, and that, rather than the outgoings, it's the incomings that will be key to the rebuilding process.

30 Apr 2024 17:43:49
Fuser went would they be sold at a loss in cat B?

30 Apr 2024 18:00:28
Why? #.

30 Apr 2024 18:01:33
Tom Heaton: 38 years young and out of contract.

Man Utd - he’s yours for £5 million, will we shake on it?

30 Apr 2024 20:14:32
Keep Hojlund, Garnacho, Mainoo and Dalot for me.

The rest I'm not arsed about.

30 Apr 2024 22:34:24
Dalot - get rid. An absolute liability. Simply cannot defend. Prone to too many errors.

30 Apr 2024 22:56:05
Fuser all those should be sold at a profit on their book value with the possible exception of casimero who has problem a value on the books of 30m ish. We may not get7m for vdb which is his approx book value. All should generate a profit.
The homegrown will be 100% profit.
These number are not accurate and are for example / illustration.
If we sold maguire for 30m last year it would have generated a loss after all costs.
We could sell him this year for 20m and make a profit.

01 May 2024 00:50:56
Tbf tumble, most should be close to it. I just don’t think they have much value. West Ham are only linked with a £15m bid for Maguire. Lindelof, AWB, Amad, DVB are all £10m or less imo. Hannibal, Mctominay and Greenwood are pure profit and so is Erickson since he was signed on a free. Varane is a bit 50/ 50 should at least break even tbf, forgot he was signed back in 21.

01 May 2024 07:28:21
Strange how you come to that conclusion Jodler.

Dalot has 0 own goals and 0 errors leading to goal this season. He also has a better tackle success than Kyle Walker in a worse defence and over exposed midfield.

01 May 2024 09:48:07
Fuser varane is out of contract.

01 May 2024 09:49:05
Kurtis those stats are subjective and not true.

01 May 2024 09:52:51
Fuser there is huge value in getting the wages off in bit due you understand the psr very well or accounting but there are very good articles in it good read is your into it.

01 May 2024 10:27:07
I put my hands up and admit I had the wrong filter on for tackle success rate, but Dalot is still only 3% off Kyle Walker, level with Ben White and better than Van Dijk.

01 May 2024 12:18:49
Tumble I was going by what the OP posted saying his contract expired next year my bad.

01 May 2024 13:31:11
We had an option to extend for a year fuser. But didn't trigger it.
Big wages so I'm bit surprised. We are not exactly getting a great return for the cost. He is fragile and not available enough imo.

01 May 2024 14:50:44
and here's me thinking Dalot has probably been Utd's best player this season. He has a great attitude and he is always available. I think he has improved tremendously and at the age of 25 I think he can keep getting better.

30 Apr 2024 08:53:22
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28 Apr 2024 18:35:51
Marco Van Basten: “I saw Rashford play against Coventry. What was this guy doing? It was an unbelievable sight. Didn't make any runs, didn't try anything on the ball, passing every ball he received straight back. He looks like he is playing indoor football with his buddies. "
I wonder, is this abuse as well?

28 Apr 2024 19:43:42
Rashford seems to not recognise that the issue isn't his form, it's that his workrate for his teammates is appalling. He is highlighted because he is doing less with more.
However no player should get taunted by anyone. I'd count myself as a critic of Rashford. However if I saw him on the street I'd either go about my own business or I'd wish him well. It'd never enter my mind to remonstrate with him. The same of his social media profiles. That anyone does that is an awful reflection of themselves. Keep it to places like this.
Ideally that philosophy would extend to game attendance - though that is hard when he's making no effort - as that's what support should be; it's easy to support when winning.

28 Apr 2024 20:38:42
Marco Van Basten is spot on.
Hopefully Rashford take this onboard. Were all fed up with the woe is me act now.

Had this been 6/ 7 games where he had been poor then I could understand him complaining about getting criticism.

28 Apr 2024 21:46:43
He won’t though will he. Just expect everyone to sit quietly now out of guilt. Clever pr ploy to blame the fans rather than self reflect. Pathetic and a symptom of many a modern footballer sadly.

28 Apr 2024 22:22:21
Rashford is a victim here. Do people not understand abuse from fans makes you not track back or put effort in.

This "abuse" is just a smokescreen for him to use the fans as an excuse for wanting a move.

29 Apr 2024 08:04:30
We can all see the lack of effort. I likened watching him and Martial playing together once like playing with 9 men as they simply jog around, don’t press, and make few runs. So temperamental in terms of mood and effort.

They’re all tracked during matches, the data will be clear to see for everyone at the club. So the question again is why is he starting every match for us in this form? There are zero implications for him. Play well and score goals, here’s a huge contract. Jog around, make no effort, put your team at risk, oh well you can start again anyway next week on your whopping new contract. Makes no sense, unless there is a ridiculous clause meaning he has to play.

I know he’s injured and didn’t play this weekend, and the available options up front for a club our size is an absolute embarrassment and testament to the amateurs in charge, but even so.

29 Apr 2024 10:26:50
The whole thing is a conundrum.
What's going on in the player's head, his lack of spark or energy this season.
Ten Hag picking him throughout much of that.
The complete media meltdown and outright hostility towards Rashford.

29 Apr 2024 18:55:27
Spenno,

I think part of the problem is that Rashford gets picked by Southgate regardless of his form. The same went for Maguire.

Were all hoping for Garnacho on the left and Diallo on the right but that won't happen as Anything will always be picked over Diallo l.

29 Apr 2024 20:11:46
I was never going for that and I don't think most people were.

29 Apr 2024 21:26:45
Maguire amd McT got plenty of stick last year, their reaction to knuckle down and fight for their place and we as supporters appreciate that even if they aren't that great.

What annoys the fans in the lack of effort, opposition players walking passed him with the ball and he still strolls around.

Show some effort Marcus and the criticism will stop.

30 Apr 2024 11:09:44
I don't appreciate mctom or maguire at all.
Sure they try but they are not good enough.
Get them out and down the road.