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06 Sep 2020 18:15:26
I think a lot of people have probably seen the highlight clips and think Sancho is a different type of player than what he actually is.

Some will be disappointed that despite being quick he doesn't base his game on pace instead its more based on trickery and movement he is more Mahrez than Sterling if you will.

I was watching the game with someone who had not seen him play before and he said he is not what I expected so if we do get him I hope people give him a chance and actually know what they are buying.

Personally I'm looking forward to the new season and may be I'm being optimistic I think there will be atleast 2 or 3 more signings coming in.

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1.) 06 Sep 2020 21:47:47
I think that's the same for probably around 90% of people with nearly all our signings, particularly the ones who don't play in the EPL.

Not many people watch other teams play, mostly they watch their own team then maybe highlights or even worse YouTube clips of players we are linked with. Neither give a genuine reflection of the players.


 

 

17 Aug 2020 01:36:44
Rashford tonight was abysmal offered nothing whatsoever but is hardly getting a mention there is so much bias towards the English home grown lads its crazy!

If we finished our chances we would have walked that game I place less blame on Martial because most of the time he's created the chance he's missed but he should have neen more clinical.

A cb good attacking fullbacks when in possession as well as a sancho and a dm is needed this summer. Will we spend as much as that I very much doubt it its going to be a tough season next year.

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{Ed0666's Note - I cant understand the Rashford criticism. You give a half decent coach and he’d be a serious baller. I’d love to have him at Liverpool. The guy is a proper talent he just needs a better teacher.


1.) 17 Aug 2020 19:00:27
He does need good coaching tbf. Unfortunately he was genuinely awful last night - great season overall and pleased with his progress.


2.) 17 Aug 2020 06:26:37
That's nonsense Ed. Before his injury he was in great form. He hasn't looked right since his return and Ole gave him the chance to play his way into some form.

The kid is class and is coming back. from his first serious injury. Hell be fine next season.

{Ed0666's Note - so you don’t think he’d improve exponentially with better coaching? So by you’re musings Rashford has reached his ceiling?


3.) 17 Aug 2020 09:37:54
Bang on 0666 but too many have their heads buried in the sand. Sane goes for a lot of our players.

{Ed0666's Note - why is ole so revered as a coach? He’s done nothing to suggest he’s Man Utd caliber in my opinion. Or he’s done nothing to suggest he’s gonna win you the title or the champions league. As for Rashford imagine him under a Klopp or a Nagelsmann? That is exciting and frightening in equal measure.


4.) 17 Aug 2020 09:46:17
ED 0666, he was great before his injury, so the coaching must have done something right. It's since the restart, he just hasn't kicked on, whether its fatigue or something else, he just hasn't been good since the restart.

{Ed0666's Note - I understand that lovely but my point is under a world class coach he has the ability to be a ridiculously good player. He needs someone to take him to the next level and that ain’t Ole.


 

 

27 Jul 2020 07:19:07
The europa league is a interesting one for us now do we rest players and just play friendlies towards the end of august to get next season ready or go for it?

Personally I believe there is a saying winning is a habit and the more you do it the better you get at it so I would actually go and try and win the competition you can not underestimate the importance of having a trophy for Ole in his first full season and what that does for the confidence and belief of the players moving forward.

Although this may not be the most important reason but being in matches like the super cup as a result of winning a europa league just makes the club more visible to players and can only help us get the sort of players we want.

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1.) 27 Jul 2020 08:25:06
It's a genuine trophy, I would rate it above above FA Cup and league Cup.

But given how we have been Europa league participants and have usually gone till the very end, it might be too much for the squad.

They will have rest before this begins, but is it worth starting the next season slowly or risking a martial/ rashford long term injury?

I would make the XI who started yesterday, to go on a permanent holiday till pre-season.

We would be left with 12-13 of the remaining first teamers and coupled with garner, Mengi and all, we should try to win the Europa league.
Gives much needed game time to the fringe players and a final way to save their career here.

Imagine:

Romero
Fosu McTominay Bailly Dalot
Garner Fred
Pereira James Mata
Ighalo

supported by Lingard, Chong, Levitt, Mengi and others.


2.) 27 Jul 2020 08:45:55
Why shouldn't we have a proper go at the Europa league, we are match fit, most of our first 11 can have a proper break for the game against LASK
If Ole could get a Europa leage win it would be great for his confidence as well as everyone else's, it may even get everyone on here off his back
Either arteta or lampard are going to win silverware in their first season, it will be great for them and their clubs.


3.) 27 Jul 2020 09:12:08
I think we need to take it game by game and it might depend on what happens with the league potentially delaying our start to next season.

It was suggested that all teams would have a minimum 30 day break between their last game and the start of the new season. So if that is the case and we make the final on the 21st of August then our season wouldn't start until the 20th/ 21st of September which is a Sunday/ Monday respectively.

However, there is also talk of a pre-season tour of India. Which quite frankly would be ridiculous considering everything. Also if I was the FA I wouldn't be happy giving a club extra time off and delaying fixtures for that club to then go off halfway around the world on a money spinning tour.

We can rest most players if not all for the first game against LASK. We can then see who we get in the next round. Potentially rest half the first 11, and maybe rest the other half of we make the semi. Then full strength in the final if we make it.


4.) 27 Jul 2020 09:26:33
Rate it higher than the FA Cup? I don't know how old you are, Rohan, but for those of us, 'of a certain vintage', the FA Cup is pretty special.


5.) 27 Jul 2020 09:44:22
Stevie, I personally wouldn't rate the Europa League higher than the FA cup. However, outside of the UK Europe's second tier competition is rated higher than all national club cups, and in some countries higher than the league title.

All things being equal if you asked any non-British football player would they rather sign for the FA cup champions or the Europa League champions, 99% would opt for the latter.


6.) 27 Jul 2020 10:31:28
The Europa League is a mickey mouse cup compared to the F A Cup which has real history behind it. More importantly the FA Cup allows teams from lower leagues to dare to dream about playing at places like Old Trafford and even beating the giants of the Premier league. I have supported Utd since childhood but seeing non league teams like Hereford Utd, Leatherhead, Woking and others turn over the big boys has given me as much if not more pleasure than us coming 3rd this season. Football should be about dreams.

I don't believe any player starts out his career dreaming of winning the Europa League. The Champions League yes.

That said winning trophies is a good habit to acquire and the confidence it breeds in a team is helpful to their development. For that reason we should do our best to win every competition we enter.


7.) 27 Jul 2020 19:37:11
I think the Europa is better than the FA Cup now.
Guarantees UCL
Super Cup Final

Might not be so prestigious and maybe shows how the FA Cup has fell but the Europa edges it just for me.


 

 

23 Jul 2020 03:47:56
I don't think it should be underestimated how important the full backs are these days especially in our team as both Greenwood and Rashford don't go on the outside of their men to beat them but are looking to come inside at every opportunity.

From an attacking perspective our fullbacks any of them that is are just not at the required standard if teams are happy and want you to give it to Williams, shaw, AWB then you know it's not working. Imagine steam playing against liverpool and saying let Arnold and Robinson have it. They simply wouldn't.

If you think back some of the early signings of peps at city was to try and get the fullback positions sorted because you can't play out of the back AND be an attacking team with fullbacks who are not comfortable on the ball and can go past a man.

Problem we have is we have this issue on both sides shaws assists record over the years has been terrible and it's obvious Awb is much happier as a defensive fullback.

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1.) 23 Jul 2020 07:09:48
Mnk397

Pep knew how he wanted to play, he pulls opposition full backs out of position to get his own behind their defence. Pep had a vision of how he wanted to play, a clear vision, fullbacks that overlapped, could attack were absolutely vital. Klopp did the same.

However, you mention AWB as a defensive full back, yes clearly happier at tackling back, getting a foot in than attacking.

So, AWB was an Ole signing, £45m, Ole given credit on here for it, so how was signing a very good defensive but ordinary attacking full back planning for the way he is trying to play? Or did Ole just not have a plan like Pep and Klopp did?


2.) 23 Jul 2020 07:45:07
Redman,
Dear me, awb is a very good player and a very good signing .
He will improve as well .
Shaw has been getting pelters on here but there is no doubt we have missed him .

Again I will say awb is a very good signing your making yourself look daft.


3.) 23 Jul 2020 08:30:38
Jred

AWB is one of the best defensive fullbacks, no problem with signing him at all, been very impressed defensively. But what was the plan for using him? Not many go past him. However, do you think he is or will be a good attacking full back? If we play a tactic where the right fullback needs to be a de facto winger, do you. Jred, think AWB is the one for that?

Dalot was nearer to an attacking full back. I think we abandoned him too early.

I don’t recall criticising Shaw, certainly not this season, he is far more attacking than AWB as well. Would be interesting to see his stats for assists though.


4.) 23 Jul 2020 13:47:50
Red Man, AWB was signed after 1 full season in the Prem in an average team. He's got a fantastic defensive foundation and a history as a winger. Perhaps the powers that be saw potential in him to improve in an attacking sense.
I can't think of many RBs who are available and are the complete product (I can't think of many who are complete full stop - even TAA was suspect defensively when we signed AWB) . I would rather sign a defensively sound RB and try to build an attacking game on that that the other way around, especially with the fragility of the rest of our defence. I think AWB, particularly before the break, was improving markedly in an attacking sense and I hope that will continue.

We are also looking at a RW who can go both wide and inside - perhaps this was part of the long term plan also, negating AWB's relative attacking bluntness somewhat.


5.) 23 Jul 2020 19:23:45
Redman
Yes he us a young lad improving, you are just running out of things to be negative about.
Awb is a very good signing.


6.) 23 Jul 2020 22:52:54
I responded to the opening poster who highlighted their thoughts on our fullbacks. I think we have missed the drive of Shaw. AWB is a very good signing, a top defensive full back.

Looks like you can’t be objective, only bow to Ole.


 

 

20 Jul 2020 03:22:22
So whilst yesterday was a bad day at the office and it was only 1 defeat after 20 games the manner of the defeat was embarrassing if the manager doesn't believe the cup was important enough to play the full team then what can you say to the players who looked off it from the start.

When everyone can see the drop off from the first team even in substitutions that ole makes during the game why would ole make the team weaker by choice from the start?

If that was the champions league semifinal no player would have been rested so it just basically boils down to who wanted it the most. Chelsea have liverpool away coming up we have west ham at home you would think they would have rested more players then us. Evidently their squad players don't have the same drop off we do from the first team.

One thing that is really bothering me is since the Southampton game the team simply can't play against a high press I don't know what they do in training but after palace also played with the high press against us you would hope the manager would be ready for Chelsea trying that against us but no they pressed us high and we had no answer. If west ham come to old Trafford and don't press us I will be shocked. Now the question is does ole believe the attacking strength of the team is enough for him no to have a plan in place and rely on individuals to get us out of trouble or we going to see some coaching and planning from the manager because the last two games definitely looked like he just hoped the attackers could bail him out.

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1.) 20 Jul 2020 05:21:18
I feel the reason we looked off was ole got the selections wrong. Dalot should have started for awb who looks shattered. Lack of a target man also hurt as there was no outball to bypass the press. Ighalo should have started for james.

Ole needs to make a choice now, I don't think we can play both matic and maguire if a team is going to press high up the pitch. Matic doesn't have the recovery pace necessary to cover for when maguire dawdles on the ball while being out of position and eventually loses it and we don't have aerialy dominant defender other than maguire.


2.) 20 Jul 2020 07:52:03
CSM

We were terrible. Ole got the selections AND the tactics completely wrong, so badly it was embarrassing. Why did he go that way? It looked like he was frightened of Chelsea, so set up how he thought they might. Negative, reactive nonsense. You are correct on James, he was playing centre forward, ridiculous.

Mnk
I don’t think the manager knows what to do about the press but unlike the Southampton game this was not our downfall. Changing everything, 5 players and alien tactics was the issue, DDG deserves criticism but why is the manager sticking with him? Why are the club seemingly willing to give Henderson another year on loan? It is dithering from the manager, fearful of getting it wrong.

The first goal is crucial in games like this, it came because we had to change our back line from the tactical drivel set up by Ole. So when Bailly went off the back line was not set or reset, our line was not straight and the crosser of the ball was not offside.

We will see on Wednesday whether any psychological damage has been done, yet it appears the Leicester game is crucial. How will our tactical genius set us up for that I wonder.


3.) 20 Jul 2020 08:30:56
We fans are strange creatures. In the days leading us to the semi final this site was littered with posters urging Ole to make changes and rest players. Top 4 was more important and an FA Cup semi final a distraction. In the wake of yesterday's result we've been relegated from hero to chump in only 90 minutes of football. As I've said on countless occasions and despite a 19 game unbeaten run Utd are always one game short of a crisis and any progress that may have been made has already been dismissed because of 90 minutes of poor football.

I think Southampton exposed a fragility that Chelsea effortlessly and ruthlessly exploited.

Press us high with intensity and aggression, stop the ball into Fernandes and we struggle to advance up the pitch.

Just as you solve one problem of how to break down a resilient and deep lying defence another problem presents itself but that's the beauty of football. Not every team will press with the same aggression and intensity of Chelsea or Southampton but we need to learn how to cope and adapt if we want to continue to improve.

I think Fernandes needs to play deeper in some games to help out in midfield and give us a better defensive shape. I've noticed with Rashford and Greenwood playing more as inside forwards there is a lot of space in front of our fullbacks. When in possession we have also pushed our full backs higher up the pitch and played a higher defensive line which also exposes a lack of pace and mobility at CB. Whilst we've pressed the ball better since restart I still think it's an area we can greatly improve and most teams have been able to get into good attacking positions against us with relative ease. I was always fearful of what a better attacking unit could do and today gave us the answer.

It's disappointing but I think we actually needed that lesson so the necessary tactical changes can be made. I think a tweak in formation to a 4-3-3 with Pogba and Fernandes playing either side of Matic should give us more balance, better defensive shape and make it easier for us to play out from the back.

Top 4 is within our grasp and the Europa League also presents us with the opportunity for silverware. We learn and move on.


4.) 20 Jul 2020 10:59:28
DLIB, it's always refreshing to read your posts. A sliver of common sense and proportionality in a sea of hyperbole and over-reaction.


5.) 20 Jul 2020 11:30:09
Over reaction, it was the semi final. In a competition we could have won, the opportunity for Ole to show he can win something at this level. Then he throws it away by showing his tactical inadequacy. Over reaction?


6.) 20 Jul 2020 11:46:08
Thanks Noucamp - I'm not convinced Ole did that much wrong yesterday and it was more a case of Lampard eventually getting it right at the fourth time of asking and learning from his mistakes. Many people had argued that rotation was necessary and I don't think it was foolish for Ole to believe we could beat Chelsea on the counter. If you look at their results against West Ham and Sheffield Utd Chelsea were undone by teams that surrendered possession, defended deep with numbers, had good defensive organisation and waited for opportunities to hit them on the break when they committed too many men forward especially their full backs and midfield.

Despite Chelsea's better possession I actually think the game was shaping up into a tight tactical battle and but for a speculative long distance shot from James and a back post header from Alonso I thought we looked relatively comfortable and solid. I accept we hadn't produced much going forward but Chelsea had pressed well and had the 3 CB's to cover the counter attack. At that point I actually thought the game would be decided by a free kick or set piece.

Bailly's injury changed the game and as soon as he went off the game opened up for Chelsea. We still struggled with their press but now had less cover and their opening goal actually game from an overload in the full back position which wouldn't have happened if we hadn't changed formation. I think if we had remained patient, then introduced the likes of Martial and Pogba to add more quality to our attack yesterday might have been a different story. I think the change in formation brutally exposed us and it was no surprise to me when we lost.

I think the 4-2-3-1 system has been successful in beating the lesser teams but I think it leaves us wide open, especially in the full back positions and exposes a lack of pace and mobility at CB. I was worried what a better attacking team would do and we got the answer yesterday.

We were probably victims of own success in recent weeks and maybe we had forgotten how we had beaten the better teams this season by surrendering possession, being well organised and playing on the counter. I think because we've enjoyed so much possession and scored so many goals recently people thought we were actually playing a lot worse than we were yesterday. We can't play gung ho attacking football every week especially against the better teams and sometimes it's ok to defend in numbers and be patient.

If we are now going to turn our back on what made us successful against the better teams then we need a re think because good teams will tear us apart.


 

 

 

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30 Sep 2020 13:13:16
I hope this is not truewith dembele this isn't about sancho but the lack of intent from the club to be champions again amazes me. U knew the price if u didn't want to pay it where was the ambition and planning to do something else this is all a bit desperate now.

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29 Sep 2020 08:41:24
Greenwood is a good player and is basically covering the rw but its not his position and giving him game time and experience is great but getting a player who actually plays there is better for the team.

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28 Sep 2020 23:24:55
Not saying sarr would be a bad player but as he will be a reasonable price and no one is going for him makes me think is he the right choice. I know teams aren't going for sancho either but that's got more to do with financial difficulties of clubs not due to no interest.

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13 Sep 2020 14:05:30
Just the wrong signing imo just from a football perspective a guy in his 30's who's not played for a while and is heavily reliant on his pace it is just asking for trouble.

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12 Sep 2020 22:53:35
Not trying enough are you for real he's been our best player for years because you don't see him as some passion merchant whose running around like a headless chicken he's not trying enough for you. He gets top dollar fir more than just football that might sting a lot if people but it is what it is.

Disrespects the club ok so ronaldo says he's a slave at the club and its all good Rooney before the Manchester Derby comes out and asks to leave BEFORE a game and its all good ddg was desperate to leave if it was not for not a fax machine but its all good but because pogba thinks the club isn't showing enough ambition and were holding him here let me repeat that the club have held him here not the other way around he's the one whose been disrespecting the club.

You say he's causing problems yet the manager and players have repeatedly said hea been a perfect professional ofcourse that doesn't suit the media narrative so its ignored completely.

Maguire is doing his thing in Greece. Greenwood is doing his thing in Iceland. Giggs and all his antics over the years yet its pogba whose the one whose disrespecting the club!

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02 Oct 2020 14:03:24
Hes agreed terms with utd that's enough for me he shouldn't have to force his way out its up to utd to agree a deal and he would be here this one is on utd for not putting the money up.

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05 Sep 2020 22:05:30
Thiago play him dm with matic as cover. Pogba bruno with dvb as cover and fred to leave. I don't see why pogba should need to leave. The whole issue has been squad depth why would we let actual first teamers leave?

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05 Sep 2020 22:02:04
If you want to judge by tonight kane was also subbed off because he wasn't great Sterling was poor as well both who would cost more than sancho and are considered as some of the best players in the league. A bit of perspective is needed I think.

On traore his main assets are pace and power and it works brilliantly for a team that loves to play on the counter like wolves but Utd have been actively trying to play a more quick and dynamic style with passing which comes up against a lot of low blocks and traore simply isn't the man for the role.

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03 Sep 2020 22:52:18
The new pogba? You mean our most productive player every year since he got here barring last year when he was injured? I would take that!

Ken you are 100% right he would have gone there in a heart beat hopefully he acts like a pro and just does his best that's all that matters to me.

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03 Sep 2020 19:49:53
Think real spending on their stadium is their biggest issue not bale. Is it different pockets though really. The owners choose to prolong the debt and continue to take millions out of the club. Cut that out and i'm sure there is more then enough to go around for these sancho type transfers.

Everything you hear about his supposed demands is not true. Romano who I believe is the best and most reliable these days said there was no issue with the terms between the player and United now people can choose to believe who they want wether its an ed or Romano or whoever but that doesn't mean its gospel either way so why assume the worst all the time.

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