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16 Feb 2020 21:27:30
Ed 02. You seem more well informed than most of us about football in general. Do you believe City's ban will be upheld by the CAS?

Salford7

{Ed002's Note - I really have no idea.}


 

 

13 Feb 2020 13:44:00
Amazing how Chelsea can get a deal done ready for a very talented player at a price which is moderate in today's over inflated transfer market. meanwhile Utd get taken to the cleaners nearly every time. More importantly Ziyech seems to be exactky the type of player we have been crying out for since I don't know when. I know it's a big step up from the Ere Divisie but surely worth a punt. ED 02 probably knows if we had any interest and if so why we couldn't land him but even if there was no interest it still shows poor we are at recruitment.

Salford7

{Ed002's Note - The agreement with Chelsea shows nothing about Manchester United at all. The club has never been interested in Ziyech. Are you going to say this about every player that moves between other clubs?}


1.) 13 Feb 2020 14:04:41
I had a bet with myself that somebody would post this nonsense on here today, I won :)


2.) 13 Feb 2020 15:29:03
You seem to do that quite a lot GDS. But is it actually possible to lose a bet with yourself?


3.) 13 Feb 2020 15:58:39
Once GDS made a bet with himself that it would be the last bet he made with himself.


4.) 13 Feb 2020 16:37:56
To be fair as soon as the news broke of the Ziyech deal I remember thinking how long until someone mentions Chelsea getting a deal done and not us.

The real irony of it is that in January we made TWO signings while Chelsea didn't sign anyone. Bare in mind that was on the back of them not being able to sign anyone last summer either. In theory they have had 6 months to organise a deal or two for January and they only manage to get the deal agreed in the second week of February.

Could you imagine the backlash had that been us. There'd have been planes flying banners, burning effigies, marches and at least two new "United" football club's formed as well as multiple deaths of old ladies across Manchester, worked to death knitting green and gold scarves.


5.) 13 Feb 2020 16:51:14
I seen to remember Ed suggested he came with some baggage which might have put other Clubs off maybe?


6.) 13 Feb 2020 17:34:56
That’s my worry with trying to sell Lingard in the summer, he comes with a lot of baggage from his new JLingz travel line.


7.) 13 Feb 2020 22:58:18
I'm sure a lot of clubs will try to get some business agreed before the euros kick off.


8.) 13 Feb 2020 23:54:56
With respect Ed 02 I disagree. Regardless of whether or not you or I rate him as a player or whether Utd wanted him or not the fact is that Chelsea have not paid a huge amount for a talented player. It remains to be seen how good he really is however Chelsea and well run clubs Liverpool seem to focus on who they want, don't always have to pay extortionate fees and don't wait until the last days of a transfer window to sign a player.

{Ed002's Note - How can Chelsea buying a player have any relevance to Manchester United at all. And what makes it easier for Chelsea? They don't have to deal with a toxic fanbase.}


9.) 14 Feb 2020 10:00:06
I agree with ken. Most clubs will attempt to get the bulk of their deals done before the Euro's kick off as it is always hard to arrange deals while players are away with their national sides. Afterwards there is always a mad scramble, often confused by players who have been exceptional in the international tournament. I think the euro's this summer is half the reason why clubs voted to push back the summer transfer window.


10.) 14 Feb 2020 11:39:56
Poborski 😁.


11.) 14 Feb 2020 14:02:35
He deserved his place in the team on the merits of his hair alone Steve.


12.) 14 Feb 2020 14:05:56
There's a good interview in FourFourTwo with Poborsky recently about why his United career didn't workout.
He looked a world beater at Euro 96!


13.) 14 Feb 2020 20:11:39
Always seemed a nice bloke. Rabbit caught in the headlights look about him. Lovely hair, tho.


 

 

04 Feb 2020 21:59:39
Not Man Utd related but just watching Match of the Day and Oxford just scored a cracking second goal to force extra time against Newcastle. It's a proper cup toe with great atmosphere. Who said the F A Cup is dead.

Salford7

1.) 05 Feb 2020 08:24:38
Some cracking goals second half and great atmosphere too.


2.) 05 Feb 2020 08:54:52
Unfortunately I think the FA Cup is a dying duck, it matters little to the prem teams, I mean even clubs like west ham would rather finish a place higher up the league than win a cup for example such as the money available, fa cup is probably on a par with the league cup.
If you look at the prize money too it is dwarfed by what you get in the prem. The FA Cup needs some sort if incentive and a CL place up for grabs for the winners, that will give it a boost imo.


3.) 05 Feb 2020 10:12:22
I think we need it to be about matches like last night. Money should not always be the main motivation. You don't judge a player at the end of his career by how much he has in the bank. You ask him what medals and trophies he won. That's why for all their greatness people like Shearer must have some regrets. The F.A. Cup has given us some of the most iconic moments in football.

I actually think making it rely on a champions league place to attract stronger teams isn't where we need to go. Let's look at the next round Utd v Derby. Rooney will be desperate to win he won't need the carrot of another prize beyond beating us.


4.) 05 Feb 2020 11:12:21
Unfortunately premier league teams are motivated by money. Lower league teams take the cup more seriously but prem teams don't so much, I don't know how you would gain the prestige for the tournament back for teams to take it more seriously without an incentive for them.


5.) 05 Feb 2020 11:56:18
Simple, clubs are motivated by the riches and prestige of playing in Europe.

Ask yourself this as a United fan would you rather finish fourth and not win the FA cup or win the cup and finish fifth?

So the solution is to shake up the cups by giving a European place to the winners. If the winners of the FA cup got the fourth UCL place instead of finishing 4th in the league then EPL teams will take the FA cup much more seriously.

With the league cup I would give the winners a Europa league place, but to make it more interesting and to make sure teams are being over worked I would not allow teams competing in Europe either in the Europa league or UCL not allowed to compete in the league cup.

If the winners of the cups have qualified for Europe by league position then the runners up in the cup get it. If both have then it can revert back to league position.

Boom, both cup competitions now really mean something.


6.) 05 Feb 2020 12:28:21
That isn't going to work because it's a league cup where all teams from the premier league to league two take part. You can't exclude teams from the tournament if they are playing in Europe. Crazy idea.


7.) 05 Feb 2020 13:40:27
Damon, Pep and many other managers of the top teams feel that playing in two domestic cups makes it tough for the teams competing in Europe.

As it is most teams competing in Europe tend to send out their squad players until the the semi finals as they can't afford to have their first choice players play these games.

Surely it is better for our league and our national team if the teams competing in Europe don't play in FOUR competitions and spread their squad too thin. When a top side send out the fringe players in a cup it devalues the competition and reduces the quality of it.

By those teams not competing in the league cup their players will be fresher during the season to push further in the European competitions. And hopefully fresher for international tournaments for the national side as well.

While replacing teams like ourselves, City, Liverpool, Chelsea and Spurs from the league cup with a genuine chance of getting in to Europe would in my opinion increase competition in the league cup as teams chase a genuine chance of money and glory.


8.) 05 Feb 2020 14:02:18
Any player who’d rather finish 4th than win a cup is not a proper footballer.


9.) 05 Feb 2020 15:35:53
Glad Shappy is on board with the CL place for the winners.
Makes sense to me as a lucrative enough prize to make teams take it seriously again.
For me I would rather win cups than the 4th place award but as I stated in my OP clubs look to the riches so as it stands 4th or a league position is more important than both domestic cups.


10.) 05 Feb 2020 17:22:20
Man City have dominated the league cup competition though the last few years. They are professionals I'm sorry its absolutely ridiculous the excuses which are made up for players nowadays there's no wonder why they are all so soft. They are paid an obscene amount of money and cup competitions are all part of the game. It should be seen as a positive not a negative. You only have to play two games as a top club and you are in the quarter finals.


11.) 05 Feb 2020 18:57:13
Agree Damon. Its all about winning trophies. We generally only have 3 or 4 shouts a year. Should try to win them all.


12.) 06 Feb 2020 11:50:03
Damon, Man City are also the only team in the league who could field their second 11 all season and still expect to comfortably finish in the top four. That plays a big part into why they dominate it, yet they have still failed to advance to the final in the UCL, despite having on paper the strongest first 11 and the strongest squad in the EPL. Yet last season both Spurs and Liverpool made the UCL final.

The difference was that both Liverpool and Spurs exited the domestic cups fairly early and were able to keep their first team players fitter and fresher for the UCL.

Maybe if you can have 22 players of a high enough standard to play in the first 11 then you can attempt to win all 4 competitions and have a chance.

But is that best for the game? Do we really only want to see one or two teams win every every year because they are the only ones capable of building a squad deep enough to do so? Also how does that effect young players coming through? If a side has 22 full internationals is there space for that talented 18 year old to get a few games and make their way into the side? Jadon Sancho had to leave City and when did Phil Foden last play for them?

Three competitions is enough for any side to be in, most other clubs around the world don't compete in more than three competitions.


 

 

23 Jan 2020 21:39:36
Wolves are a good side with a good managwr and they ay good football. Would not mind their manager.

Salford7

1.) 23 Jan 2020 21:47:14
Traore, Neves, Jimenez, Neto, Moutinho can come aswell, would walk into the team aswell.


2.) 23 Jan 2020 22:23:30
Wolves have an exciting proposition as a club, there owners have a vision of the direction they want to take the club and so far it is working.

Unfortunately our owners have no vision and we are not going forward as a club despite what Ole says in press conferences.


3.) 24 Jan 2020 02:45:53
Aware they are below us in the table in our worst season for 30+ years?

{Ed047's Note - yeah that really makes all the difference 🤦‍♂️


4.) 24 Jan 2020 09:07:37
Aware they're level on points with us after 24 games, in only their second season since promotion from the championship?


5.) 24 Jan 2020 10:19:38
Good point bilko.


6.) 24 Jan 2020 09:58:29
Ed47,

There you go again, just sometimes worth putting it into perspective when people are raving about other teams who are soooo much better than us, that actually aren't at all.

{Ed047's Note - lets be honest here, most teams in this league are playing better football than yourselves and lets not forget what Fergie used to say, a season is 38 games, not 24.

I think it’s more than safe to say that there is a team in the league that doesn’t think they can’t get something out of a game against you.


7.) 24 Jan 2020 15:54:44
ED47,

There is not a team in the league who thinks they can't get something off you so what's your point.

{Ed047's Note - ahh here we go again, I’m guessing you thought you’d get something off of us last week then? 🤦‍♂️

At least we look to have a plan and the short time Arteta has been here he’s changed the players work ethic, mentality and style of play.

Your good selves on the other hand look weak, spineless, lack creativity, have no style are easily bullied out of a game and your managers out of his depth in conjunction with his hapless coaches.

That aside mate you frighten the life out of teams.

Think that lays out my point.


8.) 24 Jan 2020 19:40:44
Well that's surreal an Arsenal fan saying "here we go again"

So your plan is based on what Areta (an unproved manager) who has actually won less than Ole. Which is hard to do. A board that spends less than our board, which is hard to do.

You have wone 2 games so far under him against a rubish United team and Leeds. For the record Leeds were the better team in the fist hlaf but i didn't see the 2nd

I'm not for one mintue saying we are not in a mess, because we are.

We have a unproven manager, like yourselves, with a board who are never going to care enough to make a difference. However let's not kid oursleves you are in better shape!

You have been spineless for nearly 18 years but you act like you talk from a position of strength. Absloutley lauaghable!

We are both completley and utterly crap with bang average players and desevrve better owners. We have been crap for 7 years though and you have been that for nearly 2o!

Lets not let the facts get in the way of a good story though!

{Ed047's Note - chorlton what are you on, I never come on here talking from a position of strength, I say it like it is. I’m not like a lot on here who want to put others down to make themselves feel better.

We have been dire for years and right now I don’t care about results I care about a change of attitude that has stunk the place out for years.

The spineless weak attitude you now exude. Arteta in a few brief weeks is actually changing that. What has OGS down in 18 months, absolutely nothing.

You talk like money matters like spending £800 million will mean you’re something, we’ll it clearly means nowt.

I 100% would have Rashford, AWB and the young left back Williams, I think, the rest you can stick where the sun doesn’t shine for me mate.

Your squad is dire, every man and his dog knows it, your manager is abject and your coaches look and are useless.

But you live in that lovely dream world fella. 🤦‍♂️


9.) 24 Jan 2020 20:52:19
I have misunderstood then and please accept my apologies.

I thought you were coming from the angle we are better than you type of thing!

As for the money thing it means nothing if not spent wisely but spent correctly it can mean a lot.

I have an Arsenal pal from London who now refuses to speak about football as he so peed off with how bad thngs are.

That's pretty much where we are heading right now too!

As for what I'm on. just cider at the moment but the night is young!

{Ed047's Note - definitely not in the whole scheme of things mate, I just like what I’ve seen in the early weeks of Arteta’s reign.

From what we both were we are a mess but right now but I do see us as a slightly better mess.

How it all pans out I’ve no idea and I’ve said it before, we both need to get back to what we were.

How long we take again I’ve no idea mate. Enjoy the cider, have a great night and no harm done. 👍🏼


10.) 24 Jan 2020 21:16:56
Looking from the outside in would you sack Ole?

I’m now leaning towards the sack but the problems go deeper than Ole.


 

 

23 Jan 2020 09:41:31
Ed 02 with the empty seats at Old Trafford the rising levels of vocal criticism both outside and more importantly inside the ground as far as you know are the Glazers and the Board still intending to ride all this toxicity out. You have quite rightly told us the club have been like amateurs in how they do things. Has the club even realised this and taken steps to address things.

Salford7

{Ed002's Note - You mean was a decision made overnight? I have explained everything, the reluctance to change manager, that a Plan B exists, that the owners do not take footballing decisions ...}


1.) 23 Jan 2020 10:09:26
well at least we have more than plan A.


ed could you clear something up which will likely stop questions about this popping up all the time.

why do the owners not take footballing decisions? i get that they are just the owners and are more bothered about there investment but why if things are going bad which will result in eventually in there investment suffering do they not have a part in what goes on in football matters?


thanks.

{Ed002's Note - Because that is not their expertise.}


2.) 23 Jan 2020 10:13:35
thanks for the reply.


3.) 23 Jan 2020 11:11:29
What are the odds on Plan B being making Ryan Giggs the next manager?

They'd get another year of protection whilst destroying the fans love for another legend.


4.) 23 Jan 2020 12:01:56
Weggy, only the fans themselves can destroy their love for a club legend.

Ole isn't a great manager, but he is doing his best and has the best intentions. If you hate him for that then that is down to you.

No matter what happens I will support Ole and still view him as a legend. He was a great and dedicated player for us. He adapted his game during his playing days to help the side out, he played a limited role at times but never complained or caused problems.

He came in as manager when things was tough. He left his home, his family and a comfortable job with his hometown club and has done his best to help out the club he loves. He clearly now isn't good enough as a manager and he isn't ever likely yo be. The club need to work out the best way to move forward.

But I personally won't ever have any bad feeling towards a man who has only ever done his best for our club.


5.) 23 Jan 2020 12:55:19
Ole will always be a legend but he is being hung to dry



But he's not helped himself.


 

 

 

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16 Feb 2020 20:09:11
Shappy it's different for goalies. Apart from The Milan keeper it is so rare to get young keepers for two reasons. Firstly their position needs a mental maturity that is usually lacking in young players and secondly the very best goalies need to be physically imposing. DDG is rightfully accused of not dominating his box and I am convinced his comparatively slight physique contributes to this.

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16 Feb 2020 15:15:51
ED 02 Maybe someone could talk to Henderson and explain that a lawyer or doctor or engineer has to train for a long time and do an apprenticeship, then practice as a junior before ultimately taking on increasingly more complex, responsible roles. That is a template for long term success. It would not harm Henderson to stay at a club like Sheffield Utd for another season or two.

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15 Feb 2020 18:53:28
Bearing in mind that top goalies can play til their mid thirties and mature later than outfield players why not groom Henderson over the next few years by letting him go out on loan to good sides to get great experience then phase out DDG.

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12 Feb 2020 12:05:20
Re Timo Werner I have seen lots of reports that if he is going to come to England it will be to Liverpool who have made contact. No idea how true this is but this is a rumour site.

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03 Feb 2020 00:56:13
Thanks Shawthing. I won't let you down. Well not for the first 20mins.

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23 Feb 2020 00:18:42
Watford will press and be totally committed. Only if we match them do we have a chance.

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13 Feb 2020 23:54:56
With respect Ed 02 I disagree. Regardless of whether or not you or I rate him as a player or whether Utd wanted him or not the fact is that Chelsea have not paid a huge amount for a talented player. It remains to be seen how good he really is however Chelsea and well run clubs Liverpool seem to focus on who they want, don't always have to pay extortionate fees and don't wait until the last days of a transfer window to sign a player.

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{Ed002's Note - How can Chelsea buying a player have any relevance to Manchester United at all. And what makes it easier for Chelsea? They don't have to deal with a toxic fanbase.}


 

 

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05 Feb 2020 10:12:22
I think we need it to be about matches like last night. Money should not always be the main motivation. You don't judge a player at the end of his career by how much he has in the bank. You ask him what medals and trophies he won. That's why for all their greatness people like Shearer must have some regrets. The F.A. Cup has given us some of the most iconic moments in football.

I actually think making it rely on a champions league place to attract stronger teams isn't where we need to go. Let's look at the next round Utd v Derby. Rooney will be desperate to win he won't need the carrot of another prize beyond beating us.

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03 Feb 2020 18:41:28
I never said that Liverpool are a bad team. They quite clearly are a very good one. Results prove so. However I stand by the fact that they have been made to appear better than they are because of the lack of top opposition. Bayern, Madrid and City last year were poor in the Champions League. In the Champions league final itself Spurs were not good. In the Premier league last year only City really gave Liverpool a hard time.

This year City, Spurs, Chelsea and Utd have been worse than last year whilst Liverpool have maintained their form. We have to see how Liverpool fare in Europe this season but they have not gone through unbeaten in the group stages but that's more down to them not performing at the highest level than the opposition. Barcelona Madrid Bayern Atletico and to a lesser extent Juve are in transition. City flatter to deceive. As for Utd beating Bayern in 1999.nobody claimed we played great in the final. We clearly did not but we did win the treble which Liverpool so far have not. We had strong challengers at home and in Europe that year we faced two really excellent teams in Barcelona and Juve.

For me next season will be the test to see how good Liverpool really are. City and Chelsea are going to spend on high quality players in the summer. Barcelona and Madrid likewise. Juve keep getting better. If Liverpool win the league again next year and do well in Europe then I will be among the first to say well done. I am not bitter about Liverpool's success as they have deserved it. I am bitter that Utd are performing so poorly but that's not Liverpools problem. Nor does it make Liverpool a great team. Great teams win year after year after year. The Liverpool of Shankly and Fagan were great teams. The jury is out on this current one.

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02 Feb 2020 21:16:20
Tim I agree with what you wrote. What's worse is that we all make Liverpool so good. Shrewsbury showed that they are not the greatest.

Salford7

{Ed047's Note - Liverpool don’t need anyone to make them look good, they smash that themselves and was it the Liverpool first 11 they played?

Don’t start devaluing things mate, when you got totally outplayed by Bayern for 90 odd minutes did that devalue your win?