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13 Jan 2020 12:11:31
A couple of quick questions for ed002
If we have spoke to sporting as reported, do you know if we are offering players as part exchange for fernandes and are we baulking at the fee sporting are asking for
Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - Manchester United have been trying to get Sporting to reduce the price of Bruno Fernandes as they know Sporting need the money. There won't be any players offered up as part of the deal.}
1.) 13 Jan 2020 12:52:59
Do you expect the deal to go ahead Ed? Or do you think it could fall through if we are penny pinching.
{Ed002's Note - I am not the one for predictions.}
2.) 13 Jan 2020 14:30:12
I'd expect this one to go on until the end of Jan and we'll eventually pay up.
The club is under pressure and if we don't bring in a top quality player Ole will be thrown to the wolves. Signing Fernandes could potentially save our season if he hits the ground running.
3.) 13 Jan 2020 15:15:29
Sky reporting now that sporting want rojo as part of the deal.
4.) 13 Jan 2020 15:47:28
If they want rojo then done deal. That man be awful 😂.
5.) 13 Jan 2020 18:35:01
People keep mentioning rojo going back to sporting but didn't his time with them end rather badly? Or were the issues in regards to his ownership/ agent?
6.) 13 Jan 2020 19:18:23
Didnt Rojo refuse to train to force through his move to United, then Veron called him up and said "Do not be stubborn. If Manchester United wants a player then they will not let you escape".
There were also issues regarding his Third Party Ownership with Doyen (or as Doyen call it Third Party Investment) which ended up in court and Sporting having to pay compensation.
11 Jan 2020 04:53:31
So apparently we are in talks with sporting for fernandes and saul is available for €100 million I think ed002 said on the European rumours page.
Simple solution is to stump up the cash for both and sell pogba to Madrid, which should go close to cancelling out the fee paid for saul.
If we want to be greedy then look at another CB and that would be a good window. Give ole till the end of the season to see what he can do with a good spine in the team.
1.) 11 Jan 2020 09:52:40
Can't disagree that this would be an almost ideal situation, however, I have no faith that it'll happen.
Fernandes is looking increasingly likely if reports are to be believed though. He's a very good player who'd bring a lot to the team. One thing that's not talked about too often that he would bring is set piece quality. Other than Rashford's 40 harder against Chelsea, I think the last free kick we scored was Mata Vs Juve? Might be wrong on that? We also have atrocious corner takers so if Bruno does arrive we can at least rely on him for that.
2.) 11 Jan 2020 10:07:32
I just don't understand how the decision makers think, we want saul, he is available for that price, Madrid want pogba, pogba wants out we could probably get near that price for him
A midfield of fernandes, saul and mctominay would be quite good.
3.) 11 Jan 2020 11:09:32
Don't talk too much sense now. That's not how we work 😂.
{Ed025's Note - nice one norn..
4.) 11 Jan 2020 11:51:47
Let’s park Saul until summer, but McT, Pogba, Bruno F in a midfield looks dangerous to me supported by Fred and some younger lads ok (Garner, Fosu-Mensah and assuming Matic leaves) .
Front 3 of Rashford, Martial, James/ Greenwood (or a new signing such as Sancho) looks good.
Defence needs looking at in summer but let’s see how Bailly goes with Maguire/ Lindelof. New left back is key too as I’ve never dated Shaw.
All we need then is a new coach, board and owners and we are on our way 😂😂😂.
5.) 11 Jan 2020 11:58:52
Never rated Shaw either!
Couldn't afford a date with Shaw unless it was an all you can eat buffet.
09 Aug 2018 09:44:13
ESPN reporting the club are after PSG lb Layvin Kurzawa, do any of you guys know if he was mentioned in the sharkopod?
1.) 09 Aug 2018 10:01:32
Hey Darv. Don't remember hearing about him.
2.) 09 Aug 2018 10:27:34
Thanks, I didn't want to bother the Ed's, thanks why I asked the forum.
29 Jul 2018 11:01:30
I have a few questions for the Ed's, hopefully someone has a bit of an insight into what is currently going on in the club and can help me understand how it all works at the moment.
As far as I'm aware we don't currently have a director of football but we are interested in appointing one. From what I can gather, the director of football has a big input into who the manager is, what style of play the club uses, what players we are interested in and I'm not sure what else they are in charge of.
I'm sure the manager has an input into these things as well.
As we don't have one at the moment, i'm guessing that the manager has the majority of input into most of this stuff.
With Mourinho identifying his targets and from what I can remember, he was after kroos, who apparently people at the club don't want, for what reason i don't know. With some of his targets not being who the club want i guess, i was wondering who is having their input and possibly over ruling the manager on player transfers? Also who is identifying the managers we are signing, is it a few people having their input or just one person, for example ed Woodward?
Thanks in advance of your able to answer some of the questions and clear some stuff up for me.
{Ed002's Note - (a) There is no Director of Football. The club looked to someone to come in as a Director of Football but he was not interested. (b) The style of play is goverened by the manager. (c) The clubs that do have a Director of Football use them to co-ordinate all teams, first, youth, reserves, ladies and all scouting activities. (d) The manager does not do all of this stuff at MU. (e) Targets are not simply identified by JM (although Kroos is indeed a player JM would have identified) as there is also an extensive structured scouting network with a Chief Scout liaising with the manager. (f) It is true that clubs will often not agree with the choice of managers/scouts. This can because of age, value for money or whatever.}
1.) 29 Jul 2018 12:20:39
Thanks ed002, much appreciated, am I asking too much of you to find out why that person turned down the role and who at the club is able to say no to certain players that have been identified?
{Ed002's Note - It is unimportant. I don't want to give names of people you won't have heard of as the fans will no doubt Google them and start trashing them.}
2.) 29 Jul 2018 12:42:27
I understand, thanks again.
3.) 29 Jul 2018 16:35:45
Am I right in saying it was Monchi we were after, 002? Also, how is it possible a club the size of United have gone so long without appointing a DOF?
{Ed002's Note - No, and many clubs don't have or need a DoF - don't see this as a failing.}
01 Jan 2018 08:12:43
I know it may be a random name as I haven't seen him linked with us but is there any interest in Icardi of inter?
1.) 02 Jan 2018 11:44:54
Of cause Jose would sign Icardi if he had the chance but i think with what we need he would be to expensive to get him a winger and a cm but if he became available who knows maybe Jose could squeeze the board for a player of such quality.
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02 Aug 2019 22:59:01
With less than a week left in the transfer window, I feel like we are in a fairly good position, we have brought in players to address our weakness and still looking at others. I expect us to wrap up a deal for fernandes as ed002 has said he is priority along with Maguire, who is apparently on his way now. If dybala wants to swap juventus for us then great, I think he will suit the way we play much better. If we sign another midfielder on top of Fernandez then I expect pogba to leave as well.
On to OGS. Give the guy a chance, he has done what everyone wanted so far. Changed style of play to press more and be on the front foot and is getting the players fitter. He has targeted players to fit what everyone says what the club is about, a young British core with younger international players being looked to be brought in as well, a change from the superstar, older players mostly brought in by the previous managers. On top of that, he seems to be genuinely giving the academy players a chance this season.
{Ed0333's Note - what a lovely post. Well done sir
1.) 03 Aug 2019 09:03:44
Nicely summed up Darv.
The building blocks are falling into place.
We all just need to show a bit of patience now as they all settle in and hopefully gel into a good team and we get the style and results to improve and move us in the right direction.
20 Dec 2018 21:24:12
A question for the ed002, I saw that you said the club are still looking to move on players and possibly sign club targets. Seeing as though we have no full time manager and no director of football, how do these targets get picked and what sort of people at the club pick them. I'm not looking for names, just seeing how we have these targets with out the relative people in place.
{Ed002's Note - There are still scouts and a head scout.}
19 Dec 2018 10:26:18
With solskjaer being brought in as interim manager till the end of the year, I'm wondering if that means the club aren't looking at zidane, conte, blanc and jardim as all 4 are available. I think ed002 has previously said they may be interested in blanc though.
It's good to see them take their time and not rush this, after 3 failed attempts at replacing fergie, they need to get this one right.
If we are after pochettino, it's going to take all of the next 6 months to negotiate his release from spurs
Its going to be a very interesting 6 months with a lot of pages of newspaper pages dedicated to the search.
{Ed002's Note - I would put aside Jardim but you are reading things in to this that are simply not there.}
1.) 19 Dec 2018 11:12:47
I think the club has more issue to sort at the moment than just who the manager is. The dressing room needs sorting, it is a divided and unhappy place to be right now. Yet that needs sorting before a new manager comes in. This way we have someone who knows the club and more importantly what the club should be. Someone who can start to knit the players together, make the dressing room a more harmonious place. We might then be able to tie down a few potentially key players to new contracts. Move on a few distruptive influences so that a new manager can come in and start building his own team without having to dismantle the old one or live with the consequences of doing so.
2.) 19 Dec 2018 11:14:20
Ed, could you please expand upon what you mean here. This post seems a reasonable assumption to me, your clarity is appreciated as always.
Merry Christmas all.
{Ed002's Note - The post has assumptions in it that simply are not correct. There is nothing to say the club are not looking at specific options, there is nothing at all about taking 6 months to negotiate any exit at all - it is simply not true.}
3.) 19 Dec 2018 11:32:45
Cheers, Ed.
28 Aug 2018 09:09:40
As if this site is already not frustrating enough at the moment, people want to ask the Ed's for their insight into what is happening at the club and when they don't get the answer they want or disagree with the information they are given, especially with the manager plan that was scrapped, they then want to argue about it. No wonder ed002 takes breaks from some of the forums after some of the constant nonsense.
1.) 28 Aug 2018 10:09:51
So A don't ask if you don't like the info and B shall we all not have a opinion on some info being given?
Eds have great insight but why can't people have views as long as they aren't abusive and nasty and calling them names.
2.) 28 Aug 2018 10:33:02
I never said that FZZ, I can't work out why people need to constantly argue over info given from the Ed's, especially ed002. It seems like some on here are after any reason to prove that they are wrong at some point.
21 Aug 2018 10:53:48
I've seen reports that the club are evaluating mourinhos position. Is there any truth to this or is it made up to sell papers?
Do any of the Ed's know if the club have considered moving on from Mourinho and if they have any idea of a replacement?
I don't want this to turn into another Mourinho bashing post, just want to see if there is any truth to this and if the club know what direction they want to head in as I can sense the fan base is a couple more bad results away from getting toxic again.
{Ed002's Note - I don't really understand what "evaluating" his position means. Mourinho remains the manager and the club are not going to look to sack him after one loss.}
1.) 21 Aug 2018 11:57:58
I understand they aren't going to sack him after one loss ed002 and i don't expect them to
I'm guessing it's more made up stuff, thanks.
2.) 21 Aug 2018 12:13:32
Why does it feel like it all needs ripping up and starting again?
Why the Club are reluctant to sell players like Martial and Shaw is beyond me. It appears the thought of them going elsewhere and reviving their careers is somehow a terrifying prospect that can't be entertained. Martial blew his audition on Sunday and only reaffirmed what the manager already knew. Make no mistake when Valencia is fit Young will return to left back and Shaw will be benched. Jose will not use them, he's doesn't trust them or want them. Neither will perform consistently whilst Jose remains at the Club. Their contracts will run down whilst their value plummets. You either back the manager or the players this halfway house situation is nonsense.
What we have at the moment is a Club is disarray. A Club unwilling to sell players that the manager doesn't want. To compound matters the Club have refused to release the funds to buy the players the manager wants. Woodward's leadership is shambolic. His decision making unfathomable. We now have Martial, Shaw, Darmian, Rojo possibly Smalling and Jones not to mention Pogba that the manager would have been happy to see leave in order to raise the funds to buy other players. All those players remain at the Club and we now expect him to get the best out of them and try to mount a serious challenge to this brilliant City team.
If the Club believes in the players more than the manager then they should have replaced him and not extended his contract. What Woodward is doing is basically saying he's believes in the players and the manager at the same time. It's patronising, condescending and arrogant to tell the manager all those players you wanted we haven't got but I think we've already got great players in our squad and I believe you'll find a way to get the best out of them. This position is utter nonsense and ultimately untenable.
How we have ended up in this situation is unbelievable. We now have a manager in charge of our Club steering a rudderless ship. He doesn't rate half the players, they all know it and we can't bring anyone else in. The CEO has refused to buy or even sell players so we are now in a position of stalemate, treading water with absolutely no chance of challenging a brilliant City team and success will now be judged on finishing in the top 4.
For those of you that think this is an over reaction let's just wait and see how this all pans out.
{Ed004's Note - I have probably been one of Jose staunchest defenders on here but I cant fault or critique this post}
3.) 21 Aug 2018 12:36:13
Many managers at many top clubs are given the task of managing coaching a squad.
Pep says he is not a manager he is a coach .
Simple question is Jose getting the best out of the players he has?
Never mind city barce Madrid we got stuffed of Brighton?
We have regressed since the start of last season, the team is not improving its going backwards . Brighton beat us the end of last season .
Everyone said we needed a cb the club bought 2, they were awful at the weekend and haven't Been great from the start .
Me needed a cm, we broke the world transfer record for pogba. That hasn't been a great success.
We needed creativity we made the world class Sanchez the highest paid player in EPL history . He has been average.
Never mind the other 100 of millions spent .
The club would look in far better shape and no one would be talking about the board the CEO if our manager was getting the best out of our players .
4.) 21 Aug 2018 12:37:30
Brilliant post, mate.
5.) 21 Aug 2018 12:39:36
Good post DLIB.
I don’t understand Woodward not backing Jose. If we had sold Rojo, Darmian, plus either Smalling or Jones in addition to Blind. Then why couldn’t we of brought in 2 CB’s that Jose wanted.
The wages would of worked plus if the new players cost £120 plus we would of recovered a proportion of that money.
Who would care about the money for Alderweireld now if he was in our team? Don’t think the board would be particularly bothered if it meant we were challenging at the top.
More reason for transfers to be the responsibility of a DoF working with a Head Coach with the CEO responsible for setting the budget prior to the window opening.
6.) 21 Aug 2018 14:04:04
Jred - Buying players is not an exact science. Some work others don't. Just because some players underperform is not a valid reason to stop investing. (Unless of course you've lost faith in the managers judgement therefore he should be sacked) .
Pep signed Bravo, he was rubbish, the board didn't tell him your not getting the best out of him, so we're not getting you a new keeper. Pep signed Nolito, he didn't work out, the Club didn't say your not getting the best out of him so you can't have Sane or Sterling. City had spent millions on Otamendi and Mangala before Pep arrived. Both underperformed in his first season. They didn't tell him we're not signing Stones or Laporte get the best out of what you've got.
You make the point about other Clubs but at Utd the manager identifies the players. If he doesn't then who does? Are you suggesting that Woodward thinks he's knows better about Mourinho regarding football matters? If that's the case Ed 2 has told us he would be sacked immediately.
It doesn't matter if you or I believe Mourinho is getting the best out of the players the only opinions that matter are the managers and the CEO. Mourinho honestly believes that he IS getting the best out of the players and that many simply aren't good enough to sustain a title challenge. He even said finishing 2nd last season was probably his greatest achievement in management. You'll no doubt dismiss this but those are his words not mine.
The point I'm trying to make is you either trust the manager or you don't. If you do then you sell the players he doesn't think are good enough and buy the players he does. If you question his investments, don't support his targets and don't think he is getting the best out of what he's got then surely you have to part company. How can the Club move forward otherwise? This is not rocket science just sensible common sense rational thought.
The cynic in me tells me that the Club have invested heavily in recent years. We have reached a level of performance they are content with. They have gambled that with the investment already made a top 4 finish is relatively safe therefore the purse strings have been tightened. What they hadn't anticipated, which they should is that we have a fiercely competitive manager who wants to win. He's not interested in finishing second. This is a clash of ambition more than anything and no matter what we think of Mourinho we should all be thanking him for bringing this to the surface so we can all make our own minds up about the ambitions of the Club. Their failure to back our manager will in my opinion ultimately cost us far more money trying to pick up the pieces than it would just to have got the players he wanted in the first place. They have basically said your good with what you've got, we're happy with second, more of the same please. In doing so they have gravely under estimated Mourinho, his ambition and his reluctance to be their mouthpiece mouthing the immortal words "no value in the market".
Many will not agree, they will point to significant investment over the past few windows but nobody can give a reasonable explanation as to why this has suddenly stopped despite finishing 19 points behind City. All of us know we needed new players to compete. They haven't arrived and I want to know why? I have my own views I'll leave the rest of you to form yours.
7.) 21 Aug 2018 14:34:55
DLIB
We have continued to invest 50 mil on fred .
Moved for Sanchez on a massive deal when we were 2nd in the league
the ed has told us we tried to obtain further players during the summer .
60 mill offer for Maguire, just one example .
If targets are not available should we just buy anyone?
Let's forget city etc who much money do you think we need to spend to beat Brighton?
Or have a squad of players that resemble a team?
Spending 100 mil on pogba was going to sort out our cm issues, Sanchez our creative issue, I could go on .
But your answer to us buying players for 100 millions that are not playing well is to continue to buy players?
Maybe the challenge is " Jose your on 10 mil a year you been given half a billion worth of players, go do your job ".
8.) 21 Aug 2018 13:47:25
Great post DLIB. Completely agree. I too have supported Jose, and despite the pain from Sunday I will continue to do so with even more fervour. Jose is arguably the best 'club-manager' we could have right now. He is not a "yes man" even though he is visibly and audibly toning down his post match interviews. Right now the only options are to find the next genius man-manager such as Sir Alex (who was nothing short of an alchemist) or change the ownership of the club in to the hands of people that appreciate and align with the traditions of the club. It really is that simple even if the process of doing so is nothing short of impossible right now or in the near future.
As such the only battle that matters right now is in the boardroom, and anybody on this site who does not support Jose 100% is playing in to the Glazer's hands. The last thing we need is a weak manager who is happy to site behind 'that' desk to get his new Facebook profile pic.
The best thing that could happen is Jose fights 'our' corner until his position is beyond untenable. It probably already is in some people's eyes, and I fail to believe that the board are not actively discussing successors in smoked filled rooms as we speculate. It would be absurd if they were not. Maybe the difficulty of finding a replacement amid the current chaos is what keeps Jose in an untenable position for longer than many may expect.
As an outside bet, and an ironic replacement if it happens, I would take Antonio Conte. He did a fabulous job at Chelsea whilst playing entertaining football.
9.) 21 Aug 2018 13:57:23
Great thread and agree with all the posts.
Ultimately the manager is losing the confidence of the fans, the players are losing the confidence of the manager and it seems the board are proving to be typically indecisive.
For over 2 years we have seen the performances be very inconsistent in terms of results and almost perfectly consistent in terms of entertaining football. The players were signed because they were seen as quality players for their previous clubs, be they turn into shells for us. Youth players are not kicking on.
We were very poor pre-season and people were saying it's only pre-season. But we were dominated by Leicester and then abysmal against a Brighton team that most people would predict will be relegated this season. We are not getting better, other teams are getting better.
We also see City destroying teams like Brighton immediately before our game which adds insult to injury. That shouldn't matter so much, but it painted a very vivid picture of where we are.
It all needs ripping up and starting again, should have happened last season, but letting this season drift could spell real danger for our top 4 place. For once we need to be decisive and make the change now, so a new manager can come in during the Intl break and sort this mess out. Bring back Utd.
10.) 21 Aug 2018 14:55:56
He has got the best out of this group. We finished second.
11.) 21 Aug 2018 14:57:22
Jred do you honest think all of the players in the squad are good enough or do you accept that some aren't.
12.) 21 Aug 2018 15:23:18
Mort they are all good enough to beat Brighton.
No team has 11 superstars I'm not a big fan of otemendi danilo delph .
People on here told me time and again sterling stones aren't good enough. City are a fantastic team tho .
Which of our players do you think are playing really well?
Do you think over the last 12 month we have improved as a team?
Are bailly and lindelof a good example of buying players is the answer?
13.) 21 Aug 2018 16:50:07
Mort does getting the best out of them include losing to each of the promoted teams and getting beat at home by the worst team in the league. Win 3 of those 4 last season and we're at 90 points.
It was those types of games where we looked absolutely devoid of creativity and fluidity which generated a lot of the negativity amongst the fan base toward Jose.
He always talks about how we train well and he sees what he wants to see in training and then it all disappears on matchday. The only matches where players look motivated to execute Jose's defensive tactics are the games against the top 6.
Perhaps the players get so fed up of preparing to park the bus and let a pub team dominate us that when they know they're in the starting XI they lose focus and aren't mentally prepared for the game. That all comes down to their belief in the manager and I just don't think it's there anymore.
14.) 21 Aug 2018 16:50:07
Mort does getting the best out of them include losing to each of the promoted teams and getting beat at home by the worst team in the league. Win 3 of those 4 last season and we're at 90 points.
It was those types of games where we looked absolutely devoid of creativity and fluidity which generated a lot of the negativity amongst the fan base toward Jose.
He always talks about how we train well and he sees what he wants to see in training and then it all disappears on matchday. The only matches where players look motivated to execute Jose's defensive tactics are the games against the top 6.
Perhaps the players get so fed up of preparing to park the bus and let a pub team dominate us that when they know they're in the starting XI they lose focus and aren't mentally prepared for the game. That all comes down to their belief in the manager and I just don't think it's there anymore.
15.) 21 Aug 2018 16:33:34
City have done it time and time again. Player doesn't work, buy a new one. But apparently pep is getting the best out of them. It that's the case he wouldn't have had to spend 600m and should have worked with the fantastic players that were already at his disposal.
Great posts DLIB, really were.
It's all a bit of a joke, give the manager an extension in January but basically refuse to back him in the summer.
We came 2nd last year, very obvious we needed to invest in better players as the majority of those at the club now have been there for many years consistently not performing.
{Ed0333's Note - Poch got a new contract and didn’t get any new players I didn’t hear him complaining, on the contrary. Everybody is jumping on the Garry Neville bandwagon and all of a sudden Mourinho is the good guy and it’s Woodwards fault your players were gutless against Brighton. You have some insanely talented personnel at your club, blindly indulged Mourinhos whims in the transfer market and should be challenging for the title. Woodward doesn’t humiliate your players publucly, Woodward doesn’t make Sanchez crap overnight, Woodward doesn’t produce turgid, industrial football every week. Pep, Biesla, Klopp, Nagelsmann would in my humble opinion have the same players producing better results. There’s only one person to blame in this debacle and it’s not Woodward. Your club is a laughing stock and that’s down to Mr José Mário dos Santos Mourinho Félix.
16.) 21 Aug 2018 17:05:15
I think ed makes a good point .
17.) 21 Aug 2018 17:14:29
Its not about superstars. When 3-4 of your star players are underperforming but 3-4 of your average players are overperforming what does that say.
Its no one persons fault.
Mourinho has to carry some of the can for not getting the bigger names to perform.
Woodward has to for not delivering.
Glazers because they simply don't care as long as the $$$ flow.
And the players because its the same half hearted piss poor displays from some of them for years now under multiple managers.
18.) 21 Aug 2018 17:36:10
Your bitterness is coming out strong Ed0333
Poch isn't complaining because nobody expects him to do better than last season or win anything. He's won nothing with a very talented Spurs side yet gets plaudits. Jose finishes second, above Spurs and has won trophies with this team, gets criticized.
He is expected to beat City. Poch is not.
As for only Mourinho being responsible for where the team is its quite laughable. Is he responsible for getting the club back to back UCL qualifications, winning the Europa league and League Cup, a second place and an FA cup final too then?
If the board don't believe in him they should sack him, get a manager whose philosophy they believe in and give him the money. They can't have it both ways by giving Jose a new contract and then keeping players he doesn't want and not buying the players that are key to his plan because they don't rate them as highly.
Its very clear that with or without Jose, this group of players will not beat City to the League title. If you believe otherwise then I really can't argue any further. Did Liverpool say to Klopp you already have a very talented group of players work with them? Did they tell him well you've signed Karius so get the best out of him? No. They went out and broke the world record for a keeper, broke the world record for a CB, signed Keita for an exhorbitant amount of money and signed Fabinho.
Klopp and Pep both made mistakes in the market like Jose has with his CBs. But they were given the funds to rectify those mistakes and ship out players they didn't want and their board believed in them. The problem at United is the board that wants it both ways.
19.) 21 Aug 2018 17:02:44
It's the players fault ed33. Enough of blaming every manager that comes to this club.
Jose is no saint at all, in fact some of his antics have been horrible. But don't give him a new contract then, don't extend it. Either give him that, continue to back him or just sack him and get in someone new who is willing to work with what he has got.
In all respect to poch and spurs, we are not spurs, we are Man United who should be challenging and winning leagues, champions league etc.
BTW, was Neville not right with his assessment?
{Ed0333's Note - the arrogance in your words in palpable. Your Man Utd therefore you have a devine right to be challenging? Did you really just type that? I hope you don’t have the same attitude with your social interactions with family and friends. Spurs may not have your ‘Eritage’ but they are better at football than you are currently. Your manager got a new contract to coach/manage the football club, he has a plethora of talent there to challenge, why doesn’t he stop botching and do his job? I’ll tell you why because he knows he’s not as good as he once was, there’s far better managers out there that have overtaken him and his answer to his insecurities is to spend money and not coach his way out of trouble. He’s on borrowed time if he makes it to January I’ll be shocked.
20.) 21 Aug 2018 17:03:57
Down to Jose alone is it ed33, gimme a break 😂 there's a lot more issues than the coach at this club.
Somebody dislikes Jose a lot methinks.
{Ed0333's Note - I don’t know the man so I can’t say I dislike him but what I do dislike is his attitude and what I really dislike in life is when people throw other people under the bus to save themselves. That’s cowardly.
21.) 21 Aug 2018 17:42:13
Good debate. I honestly think the truth is sonewhere in the middle. Fact is the owners have backed the manager, but he bought:
Bailly : not great
Lindleof: disaster
Pogba: doesn't want to be here
Mkhitaryan; lasted a few months.
Lukaku : good.
Fred and dalot : we don't know.
Not a great transfer record if i may say so.
Fact is Mourinho has not improved any player apart from Lingard possibly. Our players look lost. The system and tactics, whatever they are, ain't working I'm afraid.
So the board gave him an extension but had seen a decline in performances towards the end of last season. So they didn't back him.
Jred is right, our players should be beating Brighton, but the desire, commitment, tactics and work ethic were non existent. The manager has to be the one to blame.
{Ed0333's Note - Post of the day!
22.) 21 Aug 2018 17:58:43
Jose has been given funds .
He has spent over 400 mil over the last couple of years not including the very expensive deals for ibra and Sanchez.
Where has this idea come that he hasn't?
Klopp is a decent example built a team that is improving and I think will challenge city, players he has bought have made a real difference, Players he had have stepped up .
Will do well this season improved over the course of last season and look the real deal
Jose has done well but he looks no were near capable of challenging city .
Poch for me has done a great job at spurs . Players in the spurs team all perform . Sign of a good manager.
23.) 21 Aug 2018 17:56:14
@Ed0333
How are Spurs better at Football than us currently? They finished below us in the league, lost to us in the FA cup and made it exactly as far as we did in the Champions league.
Jose has won two more trophies than them in the last two years and reached one more final.
I'm sorry but Spurs in no way shape or form are better than us at football.
Also what angelred was hinting at is simple. Nobody expects Spurs to win the league, Man United on the other hand are expected to challenge every year. That's not arrogance but just simple facts that everyone expects that.
That point is pretty clear from how you think Spurs are better than us when they actually are not. Its all about expectations and putting things in context.
{Ed0333's Note - Spurs have got 6 points and haven’t lost any matches this season. You are living in the past let’s talk about the current. I’m willing to bet money Spurs will beat you in the league this season. Wanna take the bet? I’f I win I’ll donate my winnings to charity. If I lose than...it will be a miracle. What say you?
24.) 21 Aug 2018 18:25:31
Spurs have bearly spent a penny in years and you have spent £400 million in a similar time frame, I have spurs to finish fourth and United fifth. I don’t take any particular pleasure in saying that I just think spurs have a better 11 that play for each other. Pogba and Sanchez are prime examples of how superstar names don’t always work in every system, mourinho is not only not the getting the best out of them, he’s bearly getting anything out of them.
25.) 21 Aug 2018 18:40:32
If klopp doesn't win anything this season that will be interesting.
26.) 21 Aug 2018 18:46:45
If the scouse continue to perform like they are they will be fine .
27.) 21 Aug 2018 18:55:06
Forget klopp mort just keep on focusing on Jose. You've got audacity to say klopp needs to win something this season at other hand you keep on defending Jose who has spent over 400M lol.
28.) 21 Aug 2018 18:55:35
Well boys what a brilliant debate let's not spoil it by mud slinging.
Maybe AAA is right and the truth lies somewhere in between my ranting posts and Jred's staunchest view that Jose can do better.
I can't argue with the Jose detractors I even find myself losing patience on days like Sunday. Ultimately Utd have the talent to beat the likes of Brighton yet the attitude and desire not for the first time was sadly lacking. The buck often stops at the manager
he's sets the tone and the tactics and I can't defend the standard of football.
If we are ever to regain our former glories Ed Woodward must present a clearer vision of how he wants the Club to move forward. I remain a deep cynic or this board and our owners but I can't in all honesty say money hasn't been invested in the squad. My view remains they will spend enough to keep us competitive in top 4 and whilst this is achieved I'm not convinced they will commit to releasing the necessary funds to really help us challenge for the title. I hope I'm proved wrong. This line is blurred at the moment as many don't believe Jose has spent the money wisely and is not getting the best out of the players at his disposal. Paradoxically most will agree that we still needed new full backs, a CB and a right winger to take us to the next level however no of theses players arrived. We've spent the whole afternoon debating why not and are we are closer to the answer?
As great as SAF was he left us with an ageing squad and having to replace world class players such as Rio, Evra, Vidic, Scholes, Giggs, Rooney and RVP who all left the Club at a similar time. Replacing such talent and experience was always going to be challenging to say the least. What is evident is there was a lack of investment in the squad between 2009 -2013 for which we are still trying to recover. Whether you believe SAF actually believed in the "no value in the market" rubbish or just acquiesced for whatever reason is probably another debate for another day.
Great reading guys thoroughly enjoyed reading all your views.
29.) 21 Aug 2018 18:37:22
Ed33 spurs may well finish above united and more power to them. Leicester won the league not to long ago, anything can happen in this game.
But this club, is a mammoth and the levels of expectation placed on Man United are far greater than spurs. Sorry if that upsets you, but it's the truth.
{Ed0333's Note - why would I be upset if you think Man Utd are a bigger club than spurs? I have no regard for either club.
30.) 21 Aug 2018 19:33:33
DLIB
Do you honestly think Jose is the man to knock pep and city of there perch in the way that fergy did with the scouse?
In all honesty I don't, I think he has taken us as far as he can been a great manager done well at United but I don't think he is the man to take us to the next level .
The club have backed him, he has been given money he has been given a new contract but there are still so many issues and question around the squad .
I think he may of had his day and is maybe past his best, I guess we will find out this season.
31.) 21 Aug 2018 19:25:00
Completely disagree with you Ed0333.
I know you don't like how Mourinho plays but itsnt fully down to him the below par performances.
I completely agree with Redfaith and Angel and couldn't really have put it better myself in terms of what Redfaith has posted.
Let there b3 a level field and then we can start comparing who is doing a better job until then we have to disagree on this.
{Ed0333's Note - how much more of a level playing field do you need my friend? Mourinho has spent £300 million, that’s enough money to build a team to win the champions league and premiership. The club has backed him to the hilt more so than they did LVG and Moyes these excuses are just pathetic and patronising and insulting the intelligence of your United fans because they think the manager is The Pope and have blind faith.
32.) 21 Aug 2018 19:42:36
I’m a bit late to this debate, some great posts and opinions. If Woodward has refused to buy or sell players then it is very odd that he gave Jose a contract extension, those 2 things do seem to grate.
My view is we need some new players, but the players we have should be able to compete. Our lay was better on Jose’s first year, we may have finished second but our play regressed. It’s only 2 games in but it isn’t looking good.
I think Jose has forgotten how to coach or his methods don’t work anymore. We have signed a Manager on a downward slope and I only see things getting worse. I’ll be amazed if he lasts the season.
{Ed0333's Note - I changed my mind you win post of the day mate.
33.) 21 Aug 2018 19:54:50
AJH, Jose has obviously told a few players they can leave, and whilst the squad is coming back from the summer, some of them players have to play.
Now let me ask you this, if the manager said you can leave, would you still play 100% for him?
34.) 21 Aug 2018 19:54:50
We saw what happened when fergy entered the last year of his contract. Remember all the talk about Jose third year etc what if the new contract takes the pressure off, shows the public the managers is backed bla bla bla .
No one knows the terms etc of the contract.
35.) 21 Aug 2018 19:57:36
Kopman, your club has spent over a billion pounds trying to win the premier league and failed to do so.
Also you haven't touched a piece of silverware in over 10 years, so pipe down coming on here throwing your terrible opinions about.
36.) 21 Aug 2018 19:47:53
spurs utd next game ed. put your money where your mouth is. also double it up for dippers winning the title if you like.
{Ed0333's Note - Ok FZZ. How about we bet £100 each league game between United and Spurs this season. If United beat Spurs home or away in the league this season Ill give you a £100 and if Spurs beat United home or away in the league this season you donate my winnings to the Alder Hey Children’s Hospital Charity. If it’s a draw nobody wins or loses. And as for your derogatory comment about Liverpool fans. I’ll rise above your cheap jibes and say I’m not sure well win the league but what I’m adamant about is we will finish above you so how about another £100 bet that you’ll finish below us in the league this season? And if I win you donate the money to the aforementioned Alder Hey hospital and if I lose I’ll give you £100 so you can buy some class. What say you FZZ?
37.) 21 Aug 2018 19:51:52
I want someone to give me 1 reason why we should keep mourinho the guy is poison he slaughters the players
at every opportunity he gets which turns dressing room against then he wonders why they won't play for him he plays crap football I used to love watching my team not now because it's just negative boring dross and the buck lies with him i want rid SACK JOSE MOURINHO please board.
38.) 21 Aug 2018 20:02:32
I don't think anyone has blind faith in him. I also don't think anyone here expects him to still be in charge by May. However I do think its simplistic to say 100% all the blame is on Jose when there are other factors. i'd probably put 50-60% on Jose an parcel the rest between the players, owners and the unequalizer.
39.) 21 Aug 2018 20:10:20
FZZ, the issue is why has he told Pogba, a player he wanted, that he can leave? As Schmid pointed out his transfer dealings have been pretty dire. Pep may have spent money but he has also improved players. Jose epitomises a chequebook Manager right now, he bought 2 CBs, both of whom looked like Bambi on Ice at the weekend. If a was only ever short term, Miki came and went, I even think Matic was a bit of a knee jerk, there were better long term options out there.
If you consistently tell people they are crap, they will struggle to play to their potential. Last year, Jose lauded Shaw and then immediately dropped him. Explain the psychology behind that to me because to me it doesn’t make sense.
I think the stress and pressure of managing so many top teams has taken its toll on Jose, he needs a proper break and possibly a job where the pressure is a lot less, perhaps a division down. I don’t think his ego would allow him to do that but I don’t see where he goes next.
40.) 21 Aug 2018 20:17:32
£100 spurs beat man utd, and £100 pool win the league.
{Ed0333's Note - no thanks.
41.) 21 Aug 2018 20:19:05
Mort its the style of football I hate and that is 100 percent on him he's had ample time and money to have us playing expansive football he would rather not lose than try to win and that's just not the United way.
42.) 21 Aug 2018 20:22:55
I see what your saying AJH. It looks a mess and has done for years now. If it was up to me I'd put the footballing board in charge of the footballing side, where they hire and fire. Leave the money men to there side and go from there.
Then at least the true football men will make the calls regarding managers.
Would I sack Jose now? If it ment like I said above, but for me for Jose to go Woodward has to follow. Woodward seems all over the place.
43.) 21 Aug 2018 20:34:55
Woodward is possibly in the wrong job. He seems star struck and is not possible a football man. He makes money for the club which should be applauded buy anyone who wears a suit with trainers deserves a public flogging.
{Ed0333's Note - lots of people wear suits with trainers it’s called style anyone with a modicum of fashion sense knows that. If Woodward should be publicly flogged it’s for not having the courage to say no to Mourinho sooner.
44.) 21 Aug 2018 21:28:45
I see after one bad game that apparently bailly is now terrible and a bad buy. A few months ago he was being mentioned as our best CB. Its funny how much can change after one poor game.
45.) 21 Aug 2018 22:54:09
Level playing field in terms of backing the manager. Everyone and his fog knows Mourinho pr3feres old experienced players then he shouldve let him buy what he wants.
UTD was in a worse state then City or Spurs when Mourinho took over and they shouldve back3d him what ever he ne3ded. When Guardiola needed to rip. the team he was fully backed and bought two goal. keepers and bought a whole new defence as well as attack.
With Utd they are half hearted and shouldn't have signed Mourinho if they weren't going to back him.
You might think Mouirnho plays megative football and a style you don't like but you. must remember he just won the league few years ago playing th3 same. type of football.
We got bellends like Pogba and Martial and a defence which i will do better then them yet we reached second position last year.
I don't know if Klopp or Guardipla wpuldve done a better kob but all i can say is some of these players need to look at their faces in the mirror and man up and accept they r not playing 5o their potential or just leave the club.
Mouinho isn't a bad manager but he is the type of. manager you n33d to fully back in terms of players otherwise don't bother signing him because this is exactly the type. of scenario he would be in for his next club.
46.) 21 Aug 2018 23:23:19
Dlib your posts are great
There's flaws however my friend, utd were 23 points behind then 19, utd to be honest look more like the team so far behind than the one about to overhaul it.
JM hasn't been astute in the market nor has he made utd look like a heroic effort to beat city has been made . City have no doubt spent more but then again they are a country mile ahead of us .
JMS downfall will be the how as much as the why . I know many of our fans don't care about the how but we won nothing last season and to be realistic we aren't getting the majors this season .
Have we enough in the locker to challenge city, probably not but enough to beat Brighton, Huddersfield ect of course we do.
47.) 21 Aug 2018 23:50:51
Ed033, thank you for your vote of post of the day and thank you for letting me down gently by donating it to Ajh. Only joking. But truth is you're absolutely right and truth hurts sometimes. Dlib and Ajh agree that he doesn't improve players, in fact, he's lost the art of management in my opinion. A good manager, gets the best from his staff by knowing what makes each individual tick. Can anyone honestly say that Mourinho does that with his players.
As ScottRonaldo says, I'd rather sack him now and get a caretaker and start making decisions for next year.
We are fast becoming a laughing stock, this is the time for strong clear management, not some half hearted weak management. It is clear that we lack any form of style in the team, i watch United and I'm confused, so God help the players.
One last point, why are we being coached to retreat and play lazy football when most teams are putting their heart and soul into chasing, winning the ball and attacking. Our work rate as a team is so bad that it is embarrassing. Teams know that if they put a shift against us, then they'll outfight us, and that to me is the most criminal fact of Mourinho's team.
{Ed0333's Note - post of the day mate 😂
48.) 22 Aug 2018 08:37:48
Jose is ready to make the step into international management and take over Portugal in my opinion.
Bring back LVG - at least there was a recognisable pattern to our play and you could see that the coaching methods were taking effect.
Our attacks look like a bunch of strangers who have never worked together before.
49.) 22 Aug 2018 13:08:24
I agree, Eric. Apart from the LVG bit ðŸ˜.
50.) 22 Aug 2018 18:28:26
I love LVG. You may even say I’m anti-toxic ðŸ˜.
05 Aug 2020 11:44:13
Ok, thanks ed002.
05 Aug 2020 11:14:55
Ed002, is there a reason that his agent has offered a reduced fee to the 2 other sides? I'm guessing he wants us to pay the full agents fee?
{Ed002's Note - I don't know what he has said to Manchester United but Sancho's original preference was to join one of the other sides. But they were not interested at the overall cost of the transfer.}
18 Apr 2020 22:41:14
I think everyone skipped over what you replied ed002. I would take dybala in a straight swap if he was willing to join. Was he close to joining last season, I think we had talks with juventus about him.
{Ed002's Note - Right now he is getting on with the coach but I cannot see he would be interested.}
15 Mar 2020 01:49:52
Not trying to set off the Liverpool supporters but this decision will set a precedent for if this ever happens again in the future.
I think ed002 said Italy were looking at leaving the table the way it is and not declaring a winner.
I'm all for this and I believe if the title race in England was closer then there would be calls for this to happen, I know Liverpool are along way ahead and they fully deserve it but they still haven't mathematically won it.
If they had mathematically won it, I would be all for them being awarded the title as there was no chance of anyone catching them, in saying that, there is no chance of anyone catching them anyway.
I wonder what the premier league rule book says, if they have anything written in there in case of something like this.
11 Jan 2020 10:07:32
I just don't understand how the decision makers think, we want saul, he is available for that price, Madrid want pogba, pogba wants out we could probably get near that price for him
A midfield of fernandes, saul and mctominay would be quite good.
05 Oct 2020 09:08:43
Red Man, if you read my reply without your ole hating glasses on, I said ole is not blameless in all this but to blame him for individual errors and poor decision making is ridiculous, if you honestly think he taught Harry Maguire how to head a ball like he tried to back to de gea then that's just ridiculous, there is a lot of blame on his shoulders but trying to pin crap like that on him is ridiculous, at what point do these players have to stand up and take the blame for their terrible performances and decision making? I will repeat, ole is not blameless in all this but individual errors and stupid decision making is not his fault and can't be placed on his shoulders as well.
05 Oct 2020 07:41:09
You can blame Ole for a lot of things, some of it is warranted but to blame the manager for poor individual mistakes and not being able to do the basics is going a bit far, these are highly paid, professional footballers, how you can blame the manager because our overpaid, high priced, bang average centre back and club captain can't head a ball back to the goalkeeper is going too far
Ole is not blameless in our poor performances but to try and pin stuff like that on him is ridiculous.
06 Aug 2020 13:04:19
Ed002 is spot on about the toxic fan base, Ole can't win, the guy has put more faith in our youth players since sir Alex. He is getting minutes into the squad players that we will need if we want to win the Europa league.
I hope he goes on to win the Europa, that way a lot of people can eat a bit of humble pie, saying he hasn't won anything, even though he has won trophies at Molde but they obviously don't count and on gomes, the games I watched him play in the first team he was average and didn't take his chance yet greenwood has lived up to the hype.
27 Jul 2020 08:45:55
Why shouldn't we have a proper go at the Europa league, we are match fit, most of our first 11 can have a proper break for the game against LASK
If Ole could get a Europa leage win it would be great for his confidence as well as everyone else's, it may even get everyone on here off his back
Either arteta or lampard are going to win silverware in their first season, it will be great for them and their clubs.
16 Apr 2020 11:03:05
Why should the pundits be able to say what they want with no reply? Pogba has been quiet for a long time and probably never saw the guy play anyway. And souness' reply of put your medals on the table, has he seen pogbas collection?
Youth world cup
World cup
Serie A titles x 4
Coppa Italia x 2
Europa league
League cup
Not bad for a guy who is 27 years old.